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CamaroAJ
09-10-2010, 08:50 PM
on my '69 camaro i'm building for track days i am thinking about adding a front splitter and a rear wing like this one.
http://www.aprperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=44

my plan is to have two deck lids one thats cut for the wing and one that has a rear spoiler on it for non track days. now if i leave the wing on when i drive around would i be a ricer or would the awesomeness of a vintage muscle car in race trim make it ok? :fingersx:

65convertSSl79
09-10-2010, 08:55 PM
uh not one to pop someones balloon, but I believe Paul Walker would love it and he would put a bunch of cool stickers on the wing as well

CamaroAJ
09-10-2010, 08:59 PM
lol see thats what i'm concerned about.

MrQuick
09-10-2010, 10:01 PM
im doing one on a project.

this one works well.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

this one just looks fast...https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4054654119_03436d0756_o-1.jpg

65convertSSl79
09-10-2010, 10:05 PM
well my wife loves Paul Walker. trying to be positive. what about an under body carbon fiber aero kit that you can't see to make that thing stick like glue $$$

MrQuick
09-10-2010, 10:37 PM
it all works together.

CamaroAJ
09-11-2010, 05:59 AM
well my wife loves Paul Walker. trying to be positive. what about an under body carbon fiber aero kit that you can't see to make that thing stick like glue $$$

i'm working on those as well. they work hand in hand.

novaderrik
09-11-2010, 10:43 PM
im doing one on a project.

this one works well.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

this one just looks fast...https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4054654119_03436d0756_o-1.jpg

i like the back car in that last pic... i didn't even notice the wing on the front car at first..

JEFFTATE
09-13-2010, 06:42 PM
Let them talk !!
I say , go all the way with your street driven car ( If that's what you want to do )
The wing would look cool on a street driven car .

I prefer this type of wing though :

CamaroAJ
09-14-2010, 04:09 AM
it will see alot of street driving. but the main thing with my car is track and autocross handling. it will see as many track days as my budget will get me.

alot of technology has come along since these cars were built. i figured i would just take advantage of it to build a way fun track/street car.

Payton King
09-15-2010, 11:11 AM
brace it inside of the trunk. I think it was at VIR that a guy had one bolted to the deck lid and the down force pushed it (deck lid) down, changed the angle of the spoiler and the air ripped it and the deck lid off at speed....he went off track.

Cool look to me. It is only ricer if it is not functional in my book.

ArtosDracon
09-17-2010, 04:50 AM
IMHO, it's on ricer if it meets one simple qualification - It's on a vehicle far ill equipped for it to be of any real use.

For example, a FWD car with no front spoiler. Or an all stock 80's car that struggles to reach highway speed.

SIK02SS
09-17-2010, 12:51 PM
Go for it!! But as PK mentioned, mount it correctly (should be mounted to frame) so it doesn't cause any un-wanted damage while in use.

CamaroAJ
09-17-2010, 01:43 PM
i'm sorry guys, i thought i posted that it will be mounted to the frame rails and tied into the cage. i just reread the whole thread and i don't see anywhere that i said that so it must have been on another message board.

at 5* AOA and 120 mph the gtc-500 wing will have 315 lbf. of negative lift. and 260 lbf. with an AOA of 0*.at 80 mph 0* AOA 115 lbf. negative lift and 5* AOA = 139 lbf. negative lift.

it seems that i need to start with normal spring rates + 150 lbs. based on what the corvette guys (with coil overs not the leaf springs) are doing. yes it will have a very firm ride at slower speeds but i'm ok with that. i'll more than likely keep the wing at 0* most of the time because its a 3D design. the center is 0* but the ends are at 10* to make better use of the air flow over the car.

i think i have done more reasearch on the wing and splitter than i did on the gains of moving my engine back.

SIK02SS
09-27-2010, 09:24 AM
Hahaha, maybe you can help me then: something I haven't seen info wise on those wings is if the wing provides linear down force as the speed increases. Meaning it will allow you to tune your car for 70 mph corners and the 120 mph corners have the same aero balance.

LG Motorsports makes a full carbon wing (same exact wing mold as what's used on the GM (and LG) Corvette's in ALMS GT2 cars) that was created by GM and wind tunnel tested etc, and it provides linear down force..but I can get bigger discounts on APR stuff than Lou will give me

CamaroAJ
09-27-2010, 09:50 AM
there is alot of information on this site and this is the wing i plan on getting.

http://www.aprperformance.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=44

SIK02SS
09-27-2010, 10:00 AM
Thanks, I've looked through all that before :)

MrQuick
09-27-2010, 11:15 PM
hey chris,

I talked with a few guys at the track and I believe this is the type of wing you are thinking of. http://aeromotions.com/

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40894&d=1285658092

rrunner68
09-28-2010, 08:19 AM
That thing is slick.

SIK02SS
09-28-2010, 08:37 AM
hey chris,

I talked with a few guys at the track and I believe this is the type of wing you are thinking of. http://aeromotions.com/

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40894&d=1285658092


Thanks, I forgot about that one

This is the LG one that provides linear downforce: http://www.lgmotorsports.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=603_606&products_id=2153

exwestracer
09-28-2010, 08:42 AM
Hahaha, maybe you can help me then: something I haven't seen info wise on those wings is if the wing provides linear down force as the speed increases. Meaning it will allow you to tune your car for 70 mph corners and the 120 mph corners have the same aero balance.

LG Motorsports makes a full carbon wing (same exact wing mold as what's used on the GM (and LG) Corvette's in ALMS GT2 cars) that was created by GM and wind tunnel tested etc, and it provides linear down force..but I can get bigger discounts on APR stuff than Lou will give me

It would depend on the airfoil, but I believe in general the lift increases exponentially with speed. Here's something from NASA that relates to your question.
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/problems/Dalette/LiftvsAirspeed_ans.htm

Ash
10-04-2010, 12:57 PM
Let them talk !!
I say , go all the way with your street driven car ( If that's what you want to do )
The wing would look cool on a street driven car .

I prefer this type of wing though :

Indeed. Let them talk. Some people would look at the Aero on this Honda (http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/features/htup_1009_1989_crx_ef7/index.html), and scoff RICE....Until they read the article. Point is, Spoilers don't equal rice. Strangely, the same gearheads that hate on wings don't seem to remember the Superbird. Prices are a little steep. I'd consider Cusco and APR as well. APR being, by far, the cheapest for spoilers and splitters. www.extremedimensions.com has universal front splitters (http://www.extremedimensions.com/3390.html)for $299.00 (I've even seen plywood used to great affect ).

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/10/htup_1009_01_z1009_1989_CRX_EF7frontend-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/10/htup_1009_02_z1009_1989_CRX_EF7passenger-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/10/htup_1009_10_z1009_1989_CRX_EF7driver_si-1.jpg

Bjkadron
10-05-2010, 06:43 AM
Wow.. That car definitely goes to show that your tires and the track don't care how pretty your car is. That thing is UGLY! But very quick!!! Especially with only 230 HP!

In my opinion, wings don't compliment the beauty of our car's lines. Even on the Superbird. Although that one on the mustang looks pretty good. BUT, if you are going to go fast around a road course then you need downforce. The more the better. I say go for it. And when someone mocks you, tell them to try to keep up!

exwestracer
10-06-2010, 08:47 AM
Wow.. That car definitely goes to show that your tires and the track don't care how pretty your car is.

Along those same lines....
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

EFFECTIVE aero mods for FWD cars are a challenge, to say the least...

CraigMorrison
10-06-2010, 09:26 AM
Mr. Quick - you beat me to it! I was going to post the aeromotions website - expensive, but who else has an active rear wing?

Damn True
10-06-2010, 10:05 AM
Vic Sias screwed around with an Aeromotions wing on his M3.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF8D46v-1mw

...and on a GT-R

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7l70Q6P-vU

Scott Parkhurst
10-06-2010, 11:47 AM
That'd look crazy on top of my wagon....

Bjkadron
10-06-2010, 11:49 AM
Along those same lines....

EFFECTIVE aero mods for FWD cars are a challenge, to say the least...

Especially If you want to see.


Vic Sias screwed around with an Aeromotions wing on his M3.


...and on a GT-R



Really stinking cool! I thought of this a while ago.. But apparently, smarter people thought of it sooner.