Assembling disc brakes, got a question about the rear lines

[Vicinity]

Ok, I'm ordering all my lines now, but this one part has me confused.

This is a very crude paint, but it gets the point by.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/k2m90-1.png

How does the line connect to the rear axle line? Is there some sort of unicorn 3way piece I cannot seem to find?

Yeah, I know very little about putting brakes together, sorry.

[JTs67]

There is a "Tee" fitting near the rear axle that your front line connects into. Your hard lines for each rear caliper will branch off of that which then connect to a flex line and those in turn actually connect into your caliper.

[dipren443]

There is a "Tee" fitting near the rear axle that your front line connects into. Your hard lines for each rear caliper will branch off of that which then connect to a flex line and those in turn actually connect into your caliper.

One extra detail...

Hard line runs to just above rear on frame. A junction needs to be installed here as you need to run a flex line to the tee on the rear. Everything else as above.

[Vicinity]

One extra detail...

Hard line runs to just above rear on frame. A junction needs to be installed here as you need to run a flex line to the tee on the rear. Everything else as above.

So..

Caliper : Flex Line : Hard Line : Flex Line : Tee : Flex etc

[dipren443]

So..

Caliper : Flex Line : Hard Line : Flex Line : Tee : Flex etc

Not quite.

Caliper > Flex Line > Hard Line > Tee > Flex Line > Chassis Hard line

[amargari]

Here is the center rear line on a 73 Camaro. Kore3 sells these lines in custom sizes.https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/CenterBrakeHoseAfterJPG-1.jpg

[Vicinity]

Ok, so I need the following:

5 Flex Lines, Two front, Two back, One Tee
Tee Fitting
Rear Line
Body Line
Front Line
Prop Valve

And that should allow me to route the entire brake plumbing setup?

Also, for a first gen Camaro, can I use the stock rear axle lines and the stock front lines?

EDIT: Routing 4th gen Camaro brakes all around.

[dipren443]

With stock rear drums, you will have hard lines from the tee on the rear to the drums themselves. Stock rear lines will need to be cut and re-flared to allow the use of flex lines to the caliper.

In this pic, you can see where my hard lines terminate and the flex line to the caliper starts. I am also running 4th gen F body rears...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/DSC_8958JPG-1.jpg

[gort69]

Ok, so I need the following:

5 Flex Lines, Two front, Two back, One Tee
Tee Fitting
Rear Line
Body Line
Front Line
Prop Valve

And that should allow me to route the entire brake plumbing setup?

Also, for a first gen Camaro, can I use the stock rear axle lines and the stock front lines?

EDIT: Routing 4th gen Camaro brakes all around.

The rear flex line from the body to the axle has the "Tee" fitting built in, so no need to buy a separate one.

You can reuse the hardlines on the rear axle if you want, but you'll have to cut and reflare at one end. Much simpler to just make up some new hard lines for the axle. Sticks of 3/16" brake tubing are cheap, flared on both ends, and easy to bend by hand, esp the olive green stuff seen in the photo above. NAPA sells it. You'll likely still have to cut off one end and flare it.

[Vicinity]

The rear flex line from the body to the axle has the "Tee" fitting built in, so no need to buy a separate one.

You can reuse the hardlines on the rear axle if you want, but you'll have to cut and reflare at one end. Much simpler to just make up some new hard lines for the axle. Sticks of 3/16" brake tubing are cheap, flared on both ends, and easy to bend by hand, esp the olive green stuff seen in the photo above. NAPA sells it. You'll likely still have to cut off one end and flare it.

http://www.kore3.com/proddetail.php?prod=10122

So that one odd one in the middle has a Tee on it, I'm guessing?

Thank you for that pic, dipren, that's actually really helpful.

How exactly does flaring work? This probably sounds really dumb to you guys, but I'm not totally sure what it means. Is it like crimping a hose?

Lastly, I was afraid of breaking out brand new hardlines, as I don't want to collapse the line from bending with my hands, is this unlikely?

[dipren443]

Yup, the odd one in the middle! Has two outlet ports on it and a hole in the middle to mount to one of the bolts on your differential cover.

Ok, if you want an easy route out for the rear lines... You can do what I did. I marked and cut the factory hard lines to where they needed to be. I then shipped them to Inline Tube to be duplicated with flares on both ends.

At the time, my flare tool was in for repair and I was in a pinch.

If you want to flare them yourself, you will need a flare tool.

Here is a beginners guide to flaring:

http://www.stu-offroad.com/suspension/flaretool/ft-1.htm

[Vicinity]

Yup, the odd one in the middle! Has two outlet ports on it and a hole in the middle to mount to one of the bolts on your differential cover.

Ok, if you want an easy route out for the rear lines... You can do what I did. I marked and cut the factory hard lines to where they needed to be. I then shipped them to Inline Tube to be duplicated with flares on both ends.

At the time, my flare tool was in for repair and I was in a pinch.

If you want to flare them yourself, you will need a flare tool.

Here is a beginners guide to flaring:

http://www.stu-offroad.com/suspension/flaretool/ft-1.htm

Sweet deal. I have a friend who has been a Ford mechanic for 30 some-odd years, I may get him to supervise my while doing this, I'll be borrowing his flare set.

Mind me asking what it cost to get them shipped and flared?

Same deal could be done for the stock front lines, I suppose?

[dipren443]

Sweet deal. I have a friend who has been a Ford mechanic for 30 some-odd years, I may get him to supervise my while doing this, I'll be borrowing his flare set.

Mind me asking what it cost to get them shipped and flared?

Same deal could be done for the stock front lines, I suppose?

What master cylinder and prop valve are you using?

[Vicinity]

Going to use a fourth gen setup(master and booster) with an ebay aluminum prop valve.

[dipren443]

Going to use a fourth gen setup(master and booster) with an ebay aluminum prop valve.

Do not waste your time on stock front lines then. You will have to make all your own lines up there. Is it an adjustable prop valve? If it is, and you are not using the stock combo valve, you will need a tee up front to split your lines to the L and R.

[Vicinity]

Do not waste your time on stock front lines then. You will have to make all your own lines up there. Is it an adjustable prop valve? If it is, and you are not using the stock combo valve, you will need a tee up front to split your lines to the L and R.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aluminum-Disc-Disc-Brake-Proportioning-Combo-Valve-/360275321916?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53e215243c#ht_1199wt_826

This is what I'm getting. It was recommended in the C5 brake thread.

[dipren443]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aluminum-Disc-Disc-Brake-Proportioning-Combo-Valve-/360275321916?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53e215243c#ht_1199wt_826

This is what I'm getting. It was recommended in the C5 brake thread.

So it is a combo valve. You don't need a tee for the front. And stock lines up there will do you no good. Gotta start from scratch.

[Vicinity]

So it is a combo valve. You don't need a tee for the front. And stock lines up there will do you no good. Gotta start from scratch.

Alrighty then.

While we're on the subject, do you know of anyone that makes an adapter for the Camaro/C5 Master Cylinder to bolt up to the firewall?

[dipren443]

Alrighty then.

While we're on the subject, do you know of anyone that makes an adapter for the Camaro/C5 Master Cylinder to bolt up to the firewall?

Nope, unfortunately never tried or looked into that. how different is the spacing? And are you going with manual brakes?

[Vicinity]

Nope, unfortunately never tried or looked into that. how different is the spacing? And are you going with manual brakes?

Spacings not far out there, but definitely not bolt up. I'm going to use a booster as well.

Between the top row of bolts and the bottom row of bolts, I'd say it's off by maybe a half an inch, give or take. I don't have the piece in front of me, so I cannot measure.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/3715800091_large-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/RS_firewall-1.gif

One guy on here made one, maybe I can talk him into selling one to me if I can find him, lol. I'm not too talented with metalworking.

[gort69]

Get a quality flaring tool and some tubing. Practice a few - it's easy - and do your own. It's a skill many are afraid of, but with the proper tools it's not a problem. The tool I listed in the following thread IS available with the double flare dies. Look for it on the web. DO NOT single flare your brake lines - double flare them.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=145621