Difference Between "Pro-Touring" And "Resto-Mod" ?

[Greg]

What is the difference between these two in terms of what kind of car a fellow ends up with? Or, are the terms just interchangeable?

Thanks,
-Greg

[Vicinity]

Resto-Mod = Restoration with some improvements

Pro-Touring = Balls out race car with plates.

Atleast, that's what I think.

[go-fish]

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11764

[parsonsj]

Traditionally, Pro-Touring is GM-based. Resto-Mod is more Ford-based.

They are functionally the same thing: original styling, modern performance.

jp

[Bryce]

darn it. Im on the wrong fourm. haha.

[Patch]

in my non-expert opinion I would list them as

Resto Mod : Classic resto with modern enhancements such as late model wheels, engines, interior bits and more street oriented i.e. Taking a early Camaro/Mustang to perform and handle like a late model Camaro/Mustang

Pro-Touring : Classic car with more of a European uber luxo oriented build i.e. taking a '69 Charger and making it perform and handle on the level of a Ferrari or Porsche.

[edog1]

Resto Mod: you build the car using a reasonable monthly budget

Pro-Touring: you have second mortgage on our house and max out your credit cards to build the car

[formula]

If it goes, stops, and turns better than stock, it's pro-touring. That's been the functional rule for several years now.

They're all just terms. No rule books exist for any car style.

[dadto2jays]

in my non-expert opinion I would list them as

Resto Mod : Classic resto with modern enhancements such as late model wheels, engines, interior bits and more street oriented i.e. Taking a early Camaro/Mustang to perform and handle like a late model Camaro/Mustang

Pro-Touring : Classic car with more of a European uber luxo oriented build i.e. taking a '69 Charger and making it perform and handle on the level of a Ferrari or Porsche.


This is the BEST definition I have read and agree 100%!!!!!!!

[parsonsj]

in my non-expert opinion I would list them as

Resto Mod : Classic resto with modern enhancements such as late model wheels, engines, interior bits and more street oriented i.e. Taking a early Camaro/Mustang to perform and handle like a late model Camaro/Mustang

Pro-Touring : Classic car with more of a European uber luxo oriented build i.e. taking a '69 Charger and making it perform and handle on the level of a Ferrari or Porsche.

There aren't any experts, so your definition is just as valid or invalid as the next guy's. We've been debating the definition for a long time. Do a search and you'll find many many threads on the subject.

jp

[wmhjr]

in my non-expert opinion I would list them as

Resto Mod : Classic resto with modern enhancements such as late model wheels, engines, interior bits and more street oriented i.e. Taking a early Camaro/Mustang to perform and handle like a late model Camaro/Mustang

Pro-Touring : Classic car with more of a European uber luxo oriented build i.e. taking a '69 Charger and making it perform and handle on the level of a Ferrari or Porsche.

That's about as good a definition as any for me. I consider my '66 GTO build a "Resto-Mod". Even with the whole new drivetrain, the SC&C suspension, etc, t's a convertible without a cage, so....

I'd call Bad Penny "Pro-Touring". No such sacrifices to just appearance or convenience, but more "hang it all out" killer performance.

I'm also not sure it's tied to the cost. I think you could easily build a "pro touring" car to the same level as a "resto-mod" for the same cost if you focused strictly on performance and not appearance.

[93Polo]

Resto Mod has some impprovements, it may have 4 wheel disks but they are OEM such as LS1 f-body brakes, and some suspension improvements but generally mild bolt on parts.

Pro-touring - Suspension is reengineered for better geometry and often has atleast 13" brakes. The motor makes more power and often has efi.

If pro-touring is a race oriented car a large percentage of cars here do not qualify. IMO the ground is crossed somewhere with the better brakes and suspension geometry.

[David Sloan]

quote
I'd call Bad Penny "Pro-Touring". No such sacrifices to just appearance or convenience, but more "hang it all out" killer performance.

Bad Penny is like the most beautiful an expensive hooker you ever laid eyes on. She's dressed to thrill an all business with a little comfort to go with her.
When you look at her you know she is going to be really good at what she does!
Just my 2cents

[36couper]

I think I have one of each:
Restomod: 1936 Ford that looks perfectly original with all the chrome trim, door handles, bumpers, wide whitewalls etc.. However, it has a heavily modified chassis, 454 BBC, Must II IFS and a Ford 8". From a distance, you would think it's almost traditional. But it is lowered and has a BBC rumble to it.

Protouring: 1963 Nova convertible. I call it a pro-touring 'lite'. It has disk brakes, a 700R4, 355 SBC, tubular upper and lower control arms, front and rear sway bars and is much lower than stock. to make it a true pro-tourer, I'd like to add frame connectors and do something with the existing leaf spring suspension.

[BonzoHansen]

Obviously pro-touring has a website and resto-mod doesn't. Duh! :)


Traditionally, Pro-Touring is GM-based. Resto-Mod is more Ford-based.

They are functionally the same thing: original styling, modern performance.

jp

Huh, I never thought of either really being brand oriented, but a quick google of 'resto-mod' brought up primarily fords and some mustang shops.

Now close it!

[parsonsj]

I never thought of either really being brand oriented, but a quick google of 'resto-mod' brought up primarily fords and some mustang shops.Exactly. There's no functional difference, just two different automotive worlds with two different terms that mean the same thing.

jp

[John Wright]

Cars: 1969 outside, 2006 inside
Collectors can now buy classic American car bodies stuffed with all the latest technology.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/19/autos/restomods/index.htm

[ho428]

Resto Mod has some impprovements it may have 4 wheel disks but they OEM such as LS1 f-body brakes, and some suspension improvements but generally mild bolt on parts.

Pro-touring - Suspension is reengineered for better geometry and often has atleast 13" brakes. The motor makes more power and often has efi.

If pro-touring is a race oriented car a large percentage of cars here do not qualify. IMO the ground is crossed somewhere with the better brakes and suspension geometry.

I tend to agree with this one. Once you start re-engineering the suspension you've gone beyond any "resto" term.

[93Polo]

I tend to agree with this one. Once you start re-engineering the suspension you've gone beyond any "resto" term.
Thanks, my post was from a GM A,F, and X-body point of view.

Looking at John's definition he does have a point, Mustang guys can put a full Griggs or whatever suspension, big brakes etc and most still call it a resto mod, so the definition does change with the car.

I also see plenty of "Resto Mod" shoe box Chevies with F-body front sub frames but rarely consider them pro-touring. They did reengineer the chassis but, the argument could be made that they reengineered to a newer but still old OEM suspension and thus not be up to a pro-touring level of mods.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I agree with John. Resto Mod is most commonly associated with Ford, and Pro Touring with GM, usually Camaro.

If a Pro Touring car has to have a Euro flare to it, I have built 50 NON Pro Touring cars in the last few years.

And I think most here will agree if it has a heavy race edge, like Steevo's car, it is Street Fighter, Penny is a Street Fighter in some trim and Pro Touring in other trim.

[6'9"Witha69]

!Aye dios mio! This again! :pat:

[Bryce]

I agree with John. Resto Mod is most commonly associated with Ford, and Pro Touring with GM, usually Camaro.

If a Pro Touring car has to have a Euro flare to it, I have built 50 NON Pro Touring cars in the last few years.

And I think most here will agree if it has a heavy race edge, like Steevo's car, it is Street Fighter, Penny is a Street Fighter in some trim and Pro Touring in other trim.


So frank, is my car resto-mod? since its a ford.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Yes! So you have to leave the club house now!

[parsonsj]

I'm not trying to work up the definition game again, just sharing an observation that resto-mod is more associated with Ford, and PT with GM.

There's no "correct", just like there's no expert. We can't appeal to any court or municipal body to determine what our car is.

If you ask somebody else what your car is, you'll get their definition. If you define it yourself, you've got your own definition. Both definitions and $5 will get you coffee at Starbuck's. :)

jp

[wmhjr]

Yes! So you have to leave the club house now!

Damn Frank! I knew you were holding out on me. I didn't even know there WAS a club house.

[Bryce]

Yes! So you have to leave the club house now!

darnit, later guys.

[ProdigyCustoms]

You have to steal a Playboy from dad to get back in the clubhouse! LOL!

[JEFFTATE]

I'd say :

A "Resto-Mod" is a car that has been restored using more modern parts and systems to upgrade the driveability , comfort , and safety of the car.
The cars primary function is to drive as a street car under "normal" conditions.( Like to Cruise-Ins)
(Example): a restored Camaro , with a modern fuel injected engine , 4 wheel disc brakes , overdrive transmission ,and air conditioning that gets driven to cruise night with the wife and kids.

A "Pro-Touring" car is a like a resto-mod , but with more emphasis on higher speed performance , handling and braking .
A "touring" car should be driven on trips. No trailer queens or garage queens .
The pro-touring car can theoretically rival the best new , late model performance cars in terms of performance and comfort.
Pro-Touring cars are meant to emulate the modern touring cars by BMW , Mercedes , Audi , Cadillac CTS , etc..
Touring cars have a lot of power to cruise comfortably at highway speeds , pass slower traffic , and make good time on a trip, in comfort and style..

A "Street Fighter" is a stripped down , no frills , pro-touring car that is meant to have less emphasis on comfort and more emphasis on all out speed , handling , and braking..
(Example): No carpet , no a/c , no headliner .. painted floor..full rollcage..

[monza]

Resto Mod- a phrase that makes me cringe every time I hear it watching Barrett Jackson. Double cringe when they call nice PT cars a Resto Mod.

[Vicinity]

I'd say :

A "Resto-Mod" is a car that has been restored using more modern parts and systems to upgrade the driveability , comfort , and safety of the car.
The cars primary function is to drive as a street car under "normal" conditions.
Example: a restored Camaro , with a modern fuel injected engine and air conditioning that gets driven to cruise night with the wife and kids.

A "Pro-Touring" car is a like a resto-mod , but with more emphasis on higher speed performance , handling and braking .
A "touring" car should be driven on trips. No trailer queens or garage queens .
The pro-touring car can theoretically rival the best new , late model performance cars in terms of performance and comfort.

A "Street Fighter" is a stripped down , no frills , pro-touring car that is meant to have less emphasis on comfort and more emphasis on all out speed..
Example: No carpet , no a/c , no headliner .. painted floor..full rollcage..

I agree with all that EXCEPT carpet. A car has to have a carpet, or something of equal or greater value.

[GrabberGT]

I'd say :

A "Resto-Mod" is a car that has been restored using more modern parts and systems to upgrade the driveability , comfort , and safety of the car.
The cars primary function is to drive as a street car under "normal" conditions.
Example: a restored Camaro , with a modern fuel injected engine and air conditioning that gets driven to cruise night with the wife and kids.

A "Pro-Touring" car is a like a resto-mod , but with more emphasis on higher speed performance , handling and braking .
A "touring" car should be driven on trips. No trailer queens or garage queens .
The pro-touring car can theoretically rival the best new , late model performance cars in terms of performance and comfort.

A "Street Fighter" is a stripped down , no frills , pro-touring car that is meant to have less emphasis on comfort and more emphasis on all out speed..
Example: No carpet , no a/c , no headliner .. painted floor..full rollcage..


My thoughts exactly and I drive a Ford. Once I complete my front and rear suspension upgrades, I will no longer consider my car a "Resto-mod". If I decide to take it a step further and strip out all the unnecessary weight, I may call it a "Street Fighter".

[John Wright]

You have to steal a Playboy from dad to get back in the clubhouse! LOL!LOL.....


I like Tate's definitions....aligns with how I was thinking.

[wmhjr]

OK guys, so I'm (as usual) confused.

How would you characterize my project? Pro-Touring? (non-Ford) Resto-Mod? Cruiser? Or maybe just an exercise in bad judgement :)

[93Polo]

OK guys, so I'm (as usual) confused.

How would you characterize my project? Pro-Touring? (non-Ford) Resto-Mod? Cruiser? Or maybe just an exercise in bad judgement :)
Looking at your sig. Pro-touring

[David Sloan]

Quote Jeff
A "Street Fighter" is a stripped down , no frills , pro-touring car that is meant to have less emphasis on comfort and more emphasis on all out speed..
Example: No carpet , no a/c , no headliner .. painted floor..full rollcage..

We are building something like this now but its got to have air i dont care if it does have alum. race seats an a full cage LOL!!

[Jarcaines]

They're all just terms. No rule books exist for any car style.

Amen!

[MonzaRacer]

Now come on, Resto-mod for years has been every tri 5 chevy or other 50s car around done for cruise fun.
Resto Mod: sawpping in disc for drum brakes, power steering up grade, good /restored paint and interior,maybe a little healthier engine trans/OD trans, maybe upgraded or aftermarket A/C, and maybe a decent set of tunes.
Pro Touring: Drop frame, transplant say C5/C6 front end with max performance/look uber expensive wheels/tires. Swapping in say LSx with forced induction, complete interior revamp, floor/firewall/tunnel mods to fit max effort chassis mods, maybe even complete frame replacement.
All mods geared for ride ,drive, turn, accelerate, and stop with maximum performance.
Hence a 69 Camaro with stock disc conversion and few handling parts replacing worn old parts, maybe some cheap bigger wheels/tires and shiny paint job. To me restored body, tiny amount of performance, little rumble but nothing overly replaced.
This is resto mod.
Pro touring would be DSE sub, ATS spindles.
Say Ridetech Airbar 4 link, ShockWaves all around, Musclebars, or a 3 link with a watts linkage ,DSE mini tubs.
Custom cage/roll bar, full on rebuilt interior.
Say C5/C6 brakes or big Baer or Wilwood, lots of mods all geared towards running hard, taking corners, braking and going fast.
Resto Mod is precursor to Pro-Touring, the ones happy with Resto Mod go no farther then sell it to one of us Pro Touring guys.

My Monza, is going Pro-Touring, its getting rad support modded to fit better radiator, my 283 will get set up for the future turbo(s), I am working on installing air ride, upgrading the rear suspension to either 3 or 4 link maybe a watts link, I am going to up grade to 4 wheel disc, Corvette on front, S10 on rear, Going to get Lee to fix steering box into a fast ratio, and up grading to some sort of 17" wheels with Nittos.
Guess what, its Pro-Touring.
My Caprice, it getting 18 Vette sized wheels and tires(maybe even Vette wheels), 355mm(14in) C6 Z06 'Vette brakes, Air ride again, Upgraded suspension parts, For now its getting my 402 Big Block Chevy(hoping for aluminum heads down the road).
I am going to mod the bumpers to clean it up, add in my Cowl Induction scoop, swap in some better seats. And not sure if I am going to use shiny paint or relegate this one to Street Fighter/ Pro-touring status.
Now if the Caprice simply got an engine that sounded cool, nice wheels and say cut springs, with nice paint and interior, Id call it resto mod. BUT difference in both is one is ofr more looks and little performance where as Pro Touring is looks, performance, and reliability.

Take any 50s-60s-early 70s car, do a few up dates and never beat it, try to hustle around a track, or push the Vette or Porsche on the off ramp or remote straights. but it looks stock.
Resto mod all the way.
Now Take same car, upgrade brakes, wheels tires suspension, driveline to maximum potential for power/performance, and any requisite parts needed, then want to go beat it on a track challenge, autocross, etc.
Pro-Touring no question.
Kind of like a 85 Monte Carlo with a 4 link 31x18.50x15 Mickeys, 355 with blower and street radials on front and fancy paint/ interior,,,,
This is Pro Street, a copy of the Pro-Stock look with little performance value except some rumble and looks good on fiar grounds or at gas station but will be blown away at track.
Now Nothing wrong with Resto mod, you just dont go to Midwest Musclecar Challenge or Optima Challenge or to Road America with one, unless its just bought and your going to go forward towards Pro Touring.

[novaderrik]

both are just label people put on cars. ultimately, they are meaningless terms since there is so much overlap between different people's definitions of what means what.
i've seen stock late 60's cars with stock drum brakes showing thru 18" wheels that the owners claimed was "pro touring".

[JEFFTATE]

I agree with all that EXCEPT carpet. A car has to have a carpet, or something of equal or greater value.

Carpet is a good idea .
It cuts down on the noise , heat , and droning ..

[Josh69]

I like to call my car a Hot Rod.

It's more fun to say, if nothing else. :enguard:

If I say resto-mod or pro-touring or street-fighter to anyone other than a fellow owner of similar ilk, I get alot of blank stares.

[406 Q-ship]

Resto-mod = a car that the wife/girlfriend likes to go cruise in

Pro-touring= a car that the wife/girlfriend will never ride in cause it is too loud, rides rough, and requires one to side over the roll bar/cage, and the 5 point harness wrinkles her blouse (I can't believe I typed blouse.....)

To me a resto-mod is a car with some mild updates to make it a cruiser to take the old tech edge off of an old car.

Where Pro-touring is for the car that gets run harder and will see track days something 99% of the resto-mod will never get near. the resto-mods that do see track time will soon have the mods to be pro-touring.

[JEFFTATE]

Heck , I don't even consider my car to be a great example of a Pro-Touring car ( YET ).
My car is just an Old School / Low Tech / 80's version resto , with some lowered springs , 17" wheels and a 5-speed..

I'll get there someday ..

[Jarcaines]

Really, if you want to get technical, the term is a misnomer. The definition of "Touring" is to travel from place to place and usually implies travel for pleasure. "Pro" obviously referees to "professional", and until someone starts getting paid for driving their car around for fun, nobody is "touring" "professionally".

Just sayin' ;-)

[cheapthrillz]

Carpet is a good idea .
It cuts down on the noise , heat , and droning ..

Which is why you leave the carpet to that wussy pro-touring crowd.

If you can't handle the heat (& noise/droning) stay out of the streetfighters kitchen!

Jelvis's definition is exactly what I would have wrote..... to the T!

[Vicinity]

Which is why you leave the carpet to that wussy pro-touring crowd.

If you can't handle the heat (& noise/droning) stay out of the streetfighters kitchen!

Jelvis's definition is exactly what I would have wrote..... to the T!

Again, I disagree.

I believe carpet is a necessity in any car regardless. Have you ever just put in carpet, no plush, no mat, no sound deadening/thermal protection? Yeah it DOES NOT help anything at all. It helps grip your foot when you're shifting, because your car SHOULD have a clutch.

[Charley Lillard]

naah...a real streetfighter will just powershift without using the clutch...ever....

[JEFFTATE]

It helps grip your foot when you're shifting, because your car SHOULD have a clutch.

You don't need carpet for grip , just an aluminum plate in the flloor with black non-skid surface on it,,

[Vicinity]

You don't need carpet for grip , just an aluminum plate in the flloor with black non-skid surface on it,,

Damn, you got me there.

Oh, how about... carpet gives your wife/girlfriend/significant other something to clean while you tear up the streets?:lmao:

[WEAVER]

resto mod: You build the car using a reasonable monthly budget

pro-touring: You have second mortgage on our house and max out your credit cards to build the car

thats good!!!!!

[cheapthrillz]

You don't need carpet for grip , just an aluminum plate in the flloor with black non-skid surface on it,,

Preach it brother!

[Norm Peterson]

Resto-mod = a car that the wife/girlfriend likes to go cruise in

Pro-touring= a car that the wife/girlfriend will never ride in cause it is too loud, rides rough, and requires one to side over the roll bar/cage, and the 5 point harness wrinkles her blouse (I can't believe I typed blouse.....)

To me a resto-mod is a car with some mild updates to make it a cruiser to take the old tech edge off of an old car.

Where Pro-touring is for the car that gets run harder and will see track days something 99% of the resto-mod will never get near. the resto-mods that do see track time will soon have the mods to be pro-touring.
Close.

Resto-mod = a car that the wife/girlfriend likes to go cruise in

Street-fighter = a car that the wife/girlfriend will never ride in cause it is too loud, rides rough, and requires one to side over the roll bar/cage, and the 5 point harness wrinkles her blouse (I can't believe I typed blouse.....). This is the race car with license plates.

Pro-Touring = in between. Some overlap between this general category and either of the other two is unavoidable. Wife/girlfriend will ride in it, but usually prefers not to if another option is available.


That "resto-mod" seems to be more closely associated with Fords and that "pro-touring" carries a GM implication is something that I've also noticed. Particularly since spending time on one of the larger Mustang forums.


Norm

[topher455]

Resto mod = when you start with a budget and stick to it

Pro-tourning = when your resto mod has a budget but "things dont work out"

[Vicinity]

Close.

Resto-mod = a car that the wife/girlfriend likes to go cruise in

Street-fighter = a car that the wife/girlfriend will never ride in cause it is too loud, rides rough, and requires one to side over the roll bar/cage, and the 5 point harness wrinkles her blouse (I can't believe I typed blouse.....). This is the race car with license plates.

Pro-Touring = in between. Some overlap between this general category and either of the other two is unavoidable. Wife/girlfriend will ride in it, but usually prefers not to if another option is available.


That "resto-mod" seems to be more closely associated with Fords and that "pro-touring" carries a GM implication is something that I've also noticed. Particularly since spending time on one of the larger Mustang forums.


Norm

I thought Street Fighter was a Subset of Protouring

Like:

Resto Mod

Protouring
-Street Fighter

[Norm Peterson]

If you consider "Resto-mod" as being "Pro-Touring lite", that's a PT subset too.


Norm

[Ishmael]

I'm just happy to see this has gotten to three pages without silly pictures. Yes, the question keeps coming up every few months but the definition continues to evolve as the cars do. IMO Charley's cars are pro-touring. Hot rods with 20's are resto-mods - not that my definition matters. Maybe this thread should be attached to the definition thread. I got another one that at first everyone will shout "NO!" to: are tuners by definition hotrods?

[parsonsj]

It says a lot about the maturity level of the site these days that the thread has meandered all over the place, and nobody's gotten upset.

3 years ago the mods would have had to intervene to separate the combatants.

Carry on.

jp

[1Bad86Bird]

So would my project be considered "Resto-Mod because it's a Ford??

It started life as an 86' Thunder Bird Turbo Coupe. So far I've installed an 03' Cobra IRS (that still needs to be further modified), custom thru-floor subframe connectors w/lower SFC's as well. 00' GT front suspension w/ MM tubular LCA's and coil-overs. The brakes will getting updated to 14's up front and 13's out back. I had toyed with the idea of going with an air-ride setup. The engine is a 4.6DOHC w/a 5spd. Will be adding twin turbo's at a later date. Tires and wheels are going to be 18X9.5's w/285's on the 4 corners.

I suppose it will probably be a "Resto-Mod" because I do plan on having a complete interior and creature comforts to boot.
Oh well.

[Vicinity]

It says a lot about the maturity level of the site these days that the thread has meandered all over the place, and nobody's gotten upset.

3 years ago the mods would have had to intervene to separate the combatants.

Carry on.

jp

You are a mod.

[joemac]

So would my project be considered "Resto-Mod because it's a Ford??

It started life as an 86' Thunder Bird Turbo Coupe. So far I've installed an 03' Cobra IRS (that still needs to be further modified), custom thru-floor subframe connectors w/lower SFC's as well. 00' GT front suspension w/ MM tubular LCA's and coil-overs. The brakes will getting updated to 14's up front and 13's out back. I had toyed with the idea of going with an air-ride setup. The engine is a 4.6DOHC w/a 5spd. Will be adding twin turbo's at a later date. Tires and wheels are going to be 18X9.5's w/285's on the 4 corners.

I suppose it will probably be a "Resto-Mod" because I do plan on having a complete interior and creature comforts to boot.
Oh well.

Dude, a fox body bird? Why haven't you started a build thread yet? Or have you and I just not seen it. These cars are cheap and can use 99% of all fox body parts which have a huge aftermarket. Sounds like a cool project.

Back on topic, in my opinion a resto-mod is a stock restoration that has some modern or performance upgrades. The addition of a/c, wheels, exhaust, heads/intake.

Pro-touring would be when you start to change suspension geometry, update to newer suspension like corvette into anything else. Tube frames and engine set back and stuff like that would be pro touring to me.

Since I tend to lean towards the Ford camp more I am pretty familiar with the resto-mod term. Pro-touring was a fairly new term to me until several years ago. So I have never heard the Ford=resto-mod/Chevy=pro-touring, that's an interesting take but I think it's a little deeper than that.

Now on the other hand what is a bolt on car that has heavy "touring" mods but is geometrically unaltered and has stock body/unibody? Something like an '03/'04 Terminator Cobra. Most would agree that it's a pretty stout car and has a huge aftermarket, now if it had heavy handling mods like suspension upgrades and brakes what would that be called? I would call it a "pro-touring" theme build but it goes against my own definition.

It seems like there is so much gray area that it's hard to pin it down really. Pro-touring, I believe is the step after resto-mod.

[cheapthrillz]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/4620So20THATs20Why20Cookie20Monster20has-1.jpg

Sorry..... I couldn't resist!

[Ishmael]

cue evil laugh

[1Bad86Bird]

Dude, a fox body bird? Why haven't you started a build thread yet? Or have you and I just not seen it.

Alas I have not started a build thread, I've been slooowly working on this car for a long time. Here is a link to my car domain page, check it out if you like www.cardomain.com/ride/2464163 (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2464163)

[Norm Peterson]

Now on the other hand what is a bolt on car that has heavy "touring" mods but is geometrically unaltered and has stock body/unibody? Something like an '03/'04 Terminator Cobra. Most would agree that it's a pretty stout car and has a huge aftermarket, now if it had heavy handling mods like suspension upgrades and brakes what would that be called? I would call it a "pro-touring" theme build but it goes against my own definition.
Too new to really fit "Resto-mod" or "Pro-Touring", and too soft for "Street Fighter" unless it's been stripped and caged. If anything, it would represent what you'd set your performance sights on for an early Mustang R-M or PT effort. Maybe 25 years from now it will fit . . .

My '08 Mustang is potentially in the same state of limbo regarding an appopriate category description. Eventually there will be some mods beyond cold air/tune/Koni Sports, and more than likely some will be one-off in nature. But I haven't heard of anybody running the S197's in either autocross or open-tracking mention any sort of handle to describe these cars, so it's still a build direction without a name.


BTW - I wouldn't want to apply the tag "tuner" either. Too much association with imports from across either pond.


Norm

[69496]

To me it is more about how the car is driven and used.

If the car was built more for comfort and cruising I think "Resto-Mod".

If it was built to be driven hard with occasional track time yet retain creature comforts I think "Pro-Touring".

If it was built for performance only yet still street driven I think "Street Fighter".

And if the car only runs at events with little to no street driving I think "track car".

Its as much a reflection of the owner/driver as it is the car itself.

[joemac]

Too new to really fit "Resto-mod" or "Pro-Touring", and too soft for "Street Fighter" unless it's been stripped and caged. If anything, it would represent what you'd set your performance sights on for an early Mustang R-M or PT effort. Maybe 25 years from now it will fit . . .

My '08 Mustang is potentially in the same state of limbo regarding an appopriate category description. Eventually there will be some mods beyond cold air/tune/Koni Sports, and more than likely some will be one-off in nature. But I haven't heard of anybody running the S197's in either autocross or open-tracking mention any sort of handle to describe these cars, so it's still a build direction without a name.


BTW - I wouldn't want to apply the tag "tuner" either. Too much association with imports from across either pond.


Norm

I have trouble putting a year on the pro-touring moniker. To place year restrictions on the term would mean you have to determine a year for the car anyway. This would be done by just going off the year on the title? Many of these cars have all new sheet metal and newer power plants. So an all new car with a '69 title is a '69?

I also feel that year restrictions limit the market. To keep the pro-touring theme growing there has to be unity in the following. Fragmentation will hold it back and hinder it. This is what the diesel performance market is experiencing now, several sanctioning bodies pulling in different directions. A little different but same principal.

Can trucks be pro-touring?

[rays65mustang]

I think I may fall through the cracks on this one.I have seen so many so called resto mods with very light mods like wheels and seats.I didn`t want to put myself in the same class as this,but I`m also not building a road race car.

[Ackattack]

Can trucks be pro-touring?

I asked, and most agreed that my truck was pro-touring

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66666

[1Bad86Bird]

To me it is more about how the car is driven and used.

If the car was built more for comfort and cruising I think "Resto-Mod".

If it was built to be driven hard with occasional track time yet retain creature comforts I think "Pro-Touring".

If it was built for performance only yet still street driven I think "Street Fighter".

And if the car only runs at events with little to no street driving I think "track car".

Its as much a reflection of the owner/driver as it is the car itself.

My car will definitely be driven hard and put away wet while keeping my cool and comfy :smoke:
Yes there will be a roll cage installed before any serious track time........:enguard: I also plan on running it soley on E85. (let the flaming begin)

[formula]

since Amir's yet to swing by....

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/BeatADeadHorse-1.gif

[Jim Nilsen]

I have read most of this and other than all the interpretation the real visible differnces in the two is:

Pro-Touring has ten letters in it

Resto-Mod has eight

Sorry I just couldn't resist today

[arden_dean]

Resto-Mod = Restoration with some improvements

Pro-Touring = Balls out race car with plates.

Atleast, that's what I think.


On the money,

Resto "old" and Mod "modified" or upgrades; ie..cruze night king

Pro-touring "New" up-to-date tech; ie..race car

[go-fish]

I have read most of this and other than all the interpretation the real visible differnces in the two is:

Pro-Touring has ten letters in it

Resto-Mod has eight

Sorry I just couldn't resist today

WRONG!

Pro-touring refers to 69 Camaro's with the Air Ride and Vintage Air.

Resto-Mod refers to 69 Mustangs with Modular engines and Elanor body kits.


Jeez, I thought everybody knew this!


Now Street Fighter is a different story. Any classic, up to and including 1983 Malibu's, can be a SF as long as it has a bad paint job and heavy steel wheels.

[andrewb70]

You guys can keep beating this horse to death if you want. Just let me know when everyone gets tired of it and I will close the thread.

Andrew

[DASAGT]

Pro-touring def a bunch of gear heads making cars run better and faster for the sake of pure adrenalin and enjoyment! There why do people have to categorize between Ford products or GM. Though the back and forth is fun to watch. I just love American cars the most that's all.