My exhaust: side by side like a Lamborghini Murcielago

[CAMAROBOY69]

I have watched this site forever and I have had an exhaust idea that I want to do but it will take some planning. I plan on running mine out the back SIDE by SIDE very similar to a Lamborghini Murcielago. More than likely I will be running 3" from the back of the mufflers to the back of the car. I am either going to run a fuel cell or a sunken fuel tank of some sort to keep the center of gravity a little lower. I will lift the license plate about an 6 inches and put a little notch in the bottom for the exhaust. This is what I have so far.
T/y
EDIT: Most recent pics as of 3/13/06

Video of the complete exhaust out the back! (sound only)


(http://www.adfabdesign.com/Illusion/Exhaust/Camaro%20sound%20clip.wmv)
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[Rick Dorion]

I too am interested and had Kris Horton do a rendering of what it might look like:

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[CAMAROBOY69]

EXCELLENT! I like it! Just need to get that license plate above the exhaust and under the bumper. Thank you for posting! Are you going to be running your exhaust the same way? Ive been planning this for at least 2 years. I was even thinking of cutting the license plate too and notch the bumper just a little more. I might not be able to run 3" tips out the back. Might have to go smaller to make it look right.

[Rick Dorion]

I'd like to . I have alot of NOS sheetmetal for when I can have the bodywork done. Kind of troubles me to cut up the tailpan but the look would be distinctive. Maybe a repro piece and use the bottom part and resell the NOS tailpanel. Don't have the $ currently for the cell, etc. I was thinking about modifying the bumper in some kind of split fashion to put the license in the middle. On notch the bumper to put the plate higher.

[CAMAROBOY69]

LOL we are in the same situation with the exact same ideas. :secret: :lol: What you just said is exactly what I said at the top of this thread about notching the bumper and cutting the tailpanel.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I used the Mule as an example since its such a beautiful car and its silver like mine is going to be.
This is what I have been thinking of doing. Worst case scenero is that I split the rear bumper in half to get the license plate above the bumper. I know this will make the structure of the rear bumper weaker but lets be real. If you get rear ended in a 69 Camaro your pretty much screwed anyway. Those bumpers are not going to save very much. I will probably add reinforcement inside where the bumper bolts anyway. What do you think of this idea?? I will add round 3" pipes similar to what Rick Dorion posted above.
The pic would look better with some tail pipes in there but im at work without photshop to add the pipes.
The most shocking thing was ive had this idea forever then while playing Midnight Club 3 it gave the option to do this to the 69 Camaro. :doh:
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[vanzuuk1]

I think a notched bumper is ok but if you split the bumper it will look awkward. the pipes on the blue 69 convertible look great , too bad we have to clutter our cars with dmv stickers and plates. I leave my front plate off , so far no problem. I trimmed the plate on my streetbike and then repainted the edge blue so it appears uncut, again no problem.you could probably really shave it down if you roll the edge of the plate.

[vanzuuk1]

I just checked , you could take about a half inch or more off a car plate before its noticable.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I appreciate the feedback and would like even more if its available from other members.
My original plan was to just trim the license plate and raise the plate up about an inch or so but there is just no way with the bumper there. The exhaust will stick down under the car and I dont want that. I want the bottom of the exhaust pipes level with the bottom of the tail pan and tucked up just like in the pic that Kris Horton made Rick Dorion.
If I went with flat modern Camaro tips it would be easy but I dont want that look and I dont want it the easy way. I want to modify and make things harder than they need to be so it doesnt look like everyone else. :lmao:
I am certain if I went without a plate in Michigan I would be pulled over instantly. Damn ugly plates!!! :pat:
I will post the original Mule pic next to the modified one.

[vanzuuk1]

NO plate? I think you might make it down the block before you hear the whoop whoop behind you!

[Rick Dorion]

Some day when $ becomes available, I want to put a fuel cell in for safety (rear-end collision, etc.) and have my pipes comes out like the rendering shows. This will also solve my minimal clearance with the leaf springs when I hit bumps!

In you pic, I think the opening could be more agressive by trimming the plate somewhat. What about offsetting the plate to one side?

[CAMAROBOY69]

I also am waiting for money for a fuel cell so I can do the exhaust. I will probably fab myself as much as possible.
As for the offset plate, I dont think I would like the look of it off to the side since everything else will be centered. SS emblem, truck lock, and Tail pipes all centered. That also wouldn't work for your car either since you have the RS back up lights. I will not be installing those back up lights on my RS/SS Camaro.
Good ideas though and something to consider for anyone else thinking of this conversion thru the center.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Here is a pic after about 7 minutes on Microsoft Paint to offset the plate like you were talking about.
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[Rick Dorion]

See what you mean. I kind of like the split bumper deal. Too bad we can't color match the plate to the car!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Rick I thought of another new idea today that I figured I would toss up. I would hate to cut a good bumper in half and get the ends rechromed sooo what I was thinking is use mine that is old but paint it to match the car instead of leaving it chrome. I dont think I have seen a REAR bumper painted on a 69 Camaro yet. Everyone does the front but how about the rear??? Or would that look too out of balance since I have the Marquez tail light alumunum housing and the clear tail lights?

[Rick Dorion]

I like colored bumpers. I think I've seen them in some of the mags. I have an extra bumper I can play with. At least that's free for me!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Have you seen any rear bumpers painted? If so can you get me a few pics?
My bumper is a throw away bumper too so if I dont like the results it wont be a big deal.

[Rick Dorion]

I'll look tonight.

[killer_datsun]

Is it legal for you to put your rear licence plate in the rear window. So it is sitting on the rear package shelf. If you can that might make it a lot easier to do what you want.

[CAMAROBOY69]

That would block my vision out the rear window and I personally dont think I would like that at all. Nice idea though and thanks.

[Jimmy Sean]

The 69 firebird rear bumper center is raised you could graft that section in or try to recreat it. here is a pic.

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Might be something to look.

Sean

[CAMAROBOY69]

Here is the pic he was talking about. Rear center raised (http://www.yearone.com/enthusiast/articles/69transam/transam2%20images/rearshot.jpg)
Not a bad idea actually and it doesn't look too bad. I will let it brew in the ideas in my head. I never noticed the Trans Am and Firebird rear bumpers were like that.

[Jimmy Sean]

Wow that was quick I was messing with it to get the pic to show up.

Later.

[Rick Dorion]

Check Don Bigbie's 69 in the cars section for a painted bumper.

[Jimmy Sean]

Chris Kerr's is also though it is a 68.

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[CAMAROBOY69]

Any rear colored bumper pics available yet Rick? The 68 above doesn't look bad at all.

[Rick Dorion]

So far I came across Bigbie's in a Camaro Performer issue. I'm still looking!

[teamplex65]

what if you plate was a magnet or something that you could remove at shows? I am just trying to throw some ideas out there as the center of the camaro is pretty full as it is and with 3" exhaust its only going to get worse. You could do the offset one while driving it but pull it off at shows (someone else might help themselves to it also though)

or what about the drop down ones the street rods use, it pivots down when the car is started otherwise it folds up under the car.

[69rs]

Check out some street rod sites or publications. They come up with some nifty ways to mount/hide their plates. The YR1 Cup Camaro has a painted rear bumper. You can check the pics on that thread.

[smooth]

What about oval pipe, it also saves on ground clearance. go to 2x4 instead of 3" round.

[smooth]

I have also used a power ant. to drive moveable things years ago when I built custom vans. You could build a track in the bumper and have the plate go to one side when the ign. is on. TIM

[CAMAROBOY69]

Im not sure why I am so stubborn and want round pipes. Mabey I will consider the oval pipe option again. Damn decisions!!!!
I have been thinking of that too. I even had an entire folder filled with different exhaust tips. Here is one idea I was thinking about. 2002 Camaro SS tips.
Im going to have to spend some time in Photoshop to help make my decision. I just love the render that Kris did on Rick's car.
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[smooth]

I did a street rod a couple years ago and built 1 large oval with 2 3" pipes running to it. It looked prety wicked.

[USAZR1]

Either Stillen or Stylin Concepts sells an electric license plate bracket that lowers the plate when the key is on and raises it when off. Dan Fink Metal Works also sells one. I thought about buying one of these but they are kinda pricey,around $200.

[tndude]

not a camaro but a cool pichttps://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3186

[CAMAROBOY69]

I dont like the look of those exhaust pipes hanging down at all. I saw something similar to that on a 67 Mustang in Hot rod magazine and the exhaust pipes are the last thing I want to see. Thanks for posting the pic though. I like the exhaust tips just not the pipes hanging down like that.
Sorry if that is a members ride. I didnt mean to sound offensive at all. That is a very trick rear end!!! IRS damn on a 55 I think is the year!

[DeepBlue68]

Mabey I will consider the oval pipe option again. Here is one idea I was thinking about. 2002 Camaro SS tips.


I also looked into using those SLP dual oval tips (they're actually connected in the back by a bar) for the side exhausts I want to do. Just the tips are $240 from SLPonline.com though. Is it just me or is that a little pricey?

By the way, does anyone know what size tubing that is on the inlets for those tips?

[CAMAROBOY69]

Yes that seems pricey to me too. I will look on E-bay if I go the oval route.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Rick Dorin what do you think of these tips? https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4230

[Rick Dorion]

My first preference is like the rendering I had done. Otherwise I would space those tips out a bit, myself, maybe a touch larger too.

[CAMAROBOY69]

What size are you thinking!!????? The outer diameter of the ones I showed you are 4.25"! They are made for 3" exhaust. Any larger than that seems a bit extreme.

[Rick Dorion]

The size was deceiving! Sorry.

[ROAD WARRIOR]

Edit

[CAMAROBOY69]

Well the time has come. I am going to start working on this "Viper" exhaust set up tonight. I am goign to hack the bumper in half, move the license plate up, and make room for the 3" tail pipes. Wish me luck. I actually have a lot to do before the April race event and I am starting on all of it tonight. :scared:

[CAMAROBOY69]

This is the look I am going for like I posted in post #6.
It is an edit I did of the Mule. (Sorry I hacked the Mule pic)
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[Rick Dorion]

Adam, did you get a cell? Looking forward to your results.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Yes I did actually. I installed it a long time ago but I am just terrible about posting update pics. The exhaust will run under it with no problem at all. I cant wait to do this. I know you have also been wanting to do it so I can help you with anything you need to know.
You have a couple different options with the fuel cell. I went the easy route and the exhaust will go under it with no problems.
I will be hacking the crap out of the car tonight. :evil:
After I am done I will have to decide if I want to paint the rear bumper or go with a chrome one. Not sure on that yet. The bumper I currently have is in crappy shape so its a perfect bumper to cut up as the first mock up. My tail pipes will run side by side exactly like your Kris Horton render.

[Damn True]

I have thought about this as well. What I considered doing was taking a cell and mounting in the trunk. Then installing the entire aft portion of a Borla C-5 exhaust system in the spot once occupied by the OE fuel tank.

I abandoned the idea based on the fact that I want my fuel cell below the car for center of gravity issues, because I want a useable trunk and to keep fuel out of the passenger compartment in the event of a wreck.

[CAMAROBOY69]

The only worry I have about doing this is that my exhaust will get quiter. I love the way my car sounds with no tail pipes. I hope it doesnt quite down too much when I do all of this. If it does then I might consider Chambered exhaust like what was on Prodigy. I talked to Frank and my concern was backfire and he said that Prodigy does backfire since its basically a straight thru muffler set up.
Soo my conclusion is that if this tail pipe set up quites my car down too much then I will be trying different mufflers. I like it LOUD but dont want backfire when letting off the exhaust from 5,500rpm on a race track.
My other option can be moving my Flowmaster mufflers closer to the headers if it gets too quite. The closer you go to the headers the louder the exhaust is. Believe me I already know and I have already proven this to myself.

[Damn True]

The C-5 Borla systems are pretty darn loud. And remember, you won't have cat's and resonators to take some of the edge off the way they would on the vette.

http://www.borla.com/applications/lookup.aspx/2004/Chevrolet/Corvette/Z06

There is another higher end stainless system that is pretty barky as well. Can't recall the brand though.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I wont get a stainless set up until I get this set up how I want it. Then eventually I can get stainless. However I do need someone to bend some 3" pipe to go over the rear end. Thats all I need done then the rest I can piece together myself.
I wonder if its cheaper to have a local shop bend it or buy it online? Probably local. Shipping from anyone would probably rape me. :wedgie:

[Damn True]

Just go down to the local "muffler guy" with a wire template of the bend you need and have him twist something up on his mandrel bender.

Can't imagine that'd cost you any more than about $50.

[CAMAROBOY69]

OH that would be awesome if it was only $50.00!! Heck I could have this exhaust done in no time. Well sorta. I still have to hack up the rear end of the car and the bumper to make room for the exhaust. Then make hangers.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I just called. For a 10 foot section of 3" pipe it is $32.00. The bends are only $2.00 each. This is great news. :)

[Ralph LoGrasso]

If the car is too quiet, you could always just install a cutout, and leave it half or 1/4 open...where ever the perfect sound for you would be.

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An electric one like that ^ QTP is $154 from Speed Inc., but a manual one like the flowtech is only $33. Pretty cheap way to tune the exhaust.

You've probably got an X or H pipe setup, so I think you'd actually need two cutouts.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thats interresting Ralph.
I dont have a H or X pipe. That quites the cars down even more. My friend had the exact same engine and exhaust set up as I do and after he installed his H pipe we werent happy with the results. It did feel like he increased his torque a little but it got quite a bit quieter. I might do one eventually but not right now.
I know the H pipe also makes for a nice driveshaft loop too.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Yeah, they definitely quiet the car down a bit, but from what I've seen the X pipes actually pick up a few ponies over true duals straight back, becasue of the scavenging effect, it's funny how that works. If you've just got duals straight back, you'd definitely need the two cutouts. Keep us posted on the exhaust, it should be real cool. I've been thinking about a CME setup for my next project; no room on the '68 with all that's going on back there.

[USAZR1]

Just go down to the local "muffler guy" with a wire template of the bend you need and have him twist something up on his mandrel bender.
Can't imagine that'd cost you any more than about $50.

Most muffler shops don't have mandrel benders. A cheap one is over $20K.
Talk to Al @ Stainless Works in Ohio. He can fix you up for a reasonable cost.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I will have 20 feet of exhaust pipe to work with to dial in the exact tone I want. If that doesnt work then I will try chambered. I will keep everyone updated with videos of the exhaust so you can give your own opinion. Most of you have heard my current exhaust set up on my website.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Most muffler shops don't have mandrel benders. A cheap one is over $20K.
Talk to Al @ Stainless Works in Ohio. He can fix you up for a reasonable cost.
My local shop bent 90degree 3" pipes for my 1996 formula so they will be able to do this with no problem. I listed the price in post #54.

[Damn True]

I just called. For a 10 foot section of 3" pipe it is $32.00. The bends are only $2.00 each. This is great news. :)


Oh, glad to hear it!
Mandrel bent or compression bent?

[Damn True]

I will have 20 feet of exhaust pipe to work with to dial in the exact tone I want. If that doesnt work then I will try chambered. I will keep everyone updated with videos of the exhaust so you can give your own opinion. Most of you have heard my current exhaust set up on my website.


Run an X your engine will be happier. I have never regretted having one on any car.

Now were you planning on installing a Vette muffler system at the back of the car beneath the trunk pan and in front of the rear valance, or are you going to run a normal configuration (turbos in front of the axle) and just have the pipes exit in the center of the valance?


If you find that you'd like it to be louder (I want mine as quiet as possible w/o hurting power) you could use those cut outs to open a loop that bypasses the muffler then re-enters the pipe downstream.

I < normal pipe
I
I\< divert to electric cutout
OI< electric cutout O= muffler
I/> divert back to normal pipe
I
I< normal pipe

[Rick Dorion]

Adam, what did you do for your cell?

[CAMAROBOY69]

Ok here we go. This is the first official mock up. Yes I know it is ugly and its not a show car. You can thank the idiot that drilled thru the original gas tank for my nasty looking rear end now. All the gas and undercoating leaked all over the rear of my car. Now I have a fuel cell which should eliminat that problem.
Here are the first mock up pics.
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Here is what I used to mock up the design of the tail pipes over the rear end. Hopefully the 3" exhaust will be bent up for me by tomorrow. It is some copper tubing from Home Depot laying on the hood of my girlfriends 67 Mustang.
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[Rick Dorion]

Thanks for the pics, Adam. Did you use a hole saw to go through the inner and outer pan? Is/will your fuel cell surface mounted in the trunk? What brand did you go with?

Thanks again.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks for the pics, Adam. Did you use a hole saw to go through the inner and outer pan? Is/will your fuel cell surface mounted in the trunk? What brand did you go with?

Thanks again.
Y/w for the pics. Hope it didnt burn your eyes with the ugly mock up pics.
I used a cutting disk on a grinder to cut thru the back of the car. Very fast. I am actually going to cut out a lot more and make the entire rear of the car flat like it is on the left and right side. Just like your Kris Horton render. Which isnt in this thread any more because the hobbystage site is gone.
Yes the fuel cell is still mounted in the car even in those pics. I think you can barely see it in one of the last pics right above the exhaust pipes.
I dont know the name of the fuel cell but I will find out for you. Teddy (TeddysCamaro) got it for me as a present for installing his 4th gen dash and console.
I am picking up the bent pipes today and exhaust tips. I am just going to use some 3" or 4" chrome tail pipes for now until I find tips I like. After looking at the pics I think I can get away with 4". Im not sure yet but I have to decide by the end of today.
Rick you have an e-mail.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Here is the Kris Horton render of Ricks car. The back of my car and my exhaust will be very very close to this pic. However my bumper is obviously split and my plate is raised. My rear pan will be smooth across just like this.
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[Damn True]

I think that's gonna look fantastic when you are done.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Here is another update. I just welded the two tips together side by side about 1/2" apart. I also layed out a wire template of roughly where the body will bend around the exhaust like the Kris Horton render.
I normally dont post "in progress" pics but everyone seems to appreciate them so here goes.
Removed rear bumper(s) and cut some more out of the back. Got my tail pipes bent but I will have to modify it quite a bit.
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[CAMAROBOY69]

I just saw Ryan's (Rybar) car and I think I am convinced that I will paint my rear bumpers instead of having them re-chromed.
Ryan's car.
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[CAMAROBOY69]

Another update.
Took about 8 minutes to bend this. I was very happy. Keep in mind I dont even have a vise. I used a hammer and my shoe.
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Mock up starting final rear panel piece from scratch
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I used my girlfriends 67 Mustang frame rail to bend this part. :)
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[Rick Dorion]

Nice progress, Adam!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Nice progress, Adam!
Thanks Rick!! Im glad you noticed because I busted my butt last night. I was very happy with the progress too. :) I will have the back of the body finished when I work on it again thursday night. All I have to do is cut that shaped piece out and weld it in place. Then I will set the tips up there in place and get a pic.
After all that is done I will start working on the tail pipes over the rear axle.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Well I think I made some more impressive progress in about 3 hours of work. Hope you enjoy. :)
I would like to hear some feedback of what the other members think so far since I know I am the first person to do this.
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[Jagarang]

Just three hours....I can't imaging that all happened in that amount of time. Looks like it was meant to be there. Good job. It's tough to believe that you made that filler piece from a flat piece of stock without the use of any presses, stamps, or even a vice. Now fill it and spray it primer or your car will never be fast again.

[zbugger]

Holy **** bubbles!!!! Damn that looks good!!! And you're gonna ruin it with a license plate there?!?!?! Damn.... I'm not sure if I'm gonna like the look of a split rear bumper, but you unfortunately need one back there. Damn that looks sexy.....

[Damn True]

I was right. It looks fantastic!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks a lot for the positive feedback guys. That really really made my friday morning. :worship:
I still have to weld the exhaust pipe from the muffler over the axle but what you see in the pics is close the end product. Like Kevin said I still have to fill in the imperfections and primer it again. That way my car will be fast again. :lmao:
Next I will work on the design for the split bumper and make some mounts for the license plate. I will also make some reinforcement for the rear split bumpers that will run inside the car for support.
Again thanks for the compliments. I was extremely happy last night. I have been dreaming of doing the exhaust like this for over 3 years and its final getting there. :razz:
However I am quite sore today from 2 hours of welding and 1 hour of straight grinding.

[Rick Dorion]

OK - you can swing by my place and do mine :)

Wow - that's a great job, Adam. Inspirational.

[CAMAROBOY69]

If you lived closer to me Rick I would be more than happy to do it for you. Thanks for the compliment. This is going to be a great friday. :)And I am picking up my QA1 shocks for the rear tonight from Teddy. :woot:

[bowtieguys]

Hey man, I think you should just give up and surrender the car to me :fingersx:
Great job, it looks great! Now, if I could just fly you to WV to help with my Chevelle center exit exhaust...anyway, very nice work!

[TEDDYS CAMARO]

Wow!! Very Nice Adam. When Are You Going To Paint It??

[CAMAROBOY69]

Rich thanks for the compliment. If you need help with the Chevelle exhaust let me know. I posted as many pics as possible to help everyone out that might attempt this.
Teddy,
Thank you. I would like to paint it some time this year. This exhaust set up is the last major body modification that I have to do before I think of painting it. I also need a better garage and better heater to paint it in.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I spent 2 hours on the license plate mounting pieces last night and im not sure if I like it. Thats the progress update so far. I added some fiberglass filler to smooth it out but I need to sand the filler down.
I will update this when I get some more mock up pics.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Here is roughly what I am dealing with right now. I was going to cut those 4 pieces of rod down close to the body then drill and tap them for the licensse bolts. However the body really is in the way. The 2nd pic is with a quick coat of fiberglass and spray can primer for minor protection. I also did it so I could get a better idea of how the end result looks.
I think I am goign to end up cutting most if it back out and make a little box that recesses into the tail pan for the license plate.
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[Damn True]

If at all possible I'd french it into the vertical portion there where you have that rod. More work, but I think it will look better.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I think this is what I will end up doing. Something like this and just get rid of those rods completely.
The yellow is the box and the red is the lip thats creating the biggest problem. I will try just cutting the lip first. If that doesnt work then I am going to countersink the box into the car. Then I can add a LED light to the box and make Johnny law happy at the same time..
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[Rocko71]

Great work! You continue to impress me with the quality of your work and the innovation that you have... I can't wait to see the finished product!

[zbugger]

Adam, take a look at some sport and mini trucks. They make a box specificlly for recessing a license plate into the tailgate. What you could do is use that box, cut out the tail panel so the license plate box slides in, set it to the depth you want, and then mark an outline on that box. You can then cut it to the shape of the tail panel that you just traced and weld it in just like that. Unfortunately, I think it'd be easier to show you, but I'm a little too far away for that. I hope my description gives you a sort of an idea. Although I could PM you my number and try describing it over the phone.... Hmm... Let me know if I've at least been any help.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Great work! You continue to impress me with the quality of your work and the innovation that you have... I can't wait to see the finished product!
Thanks for the compliment but after much debate I have decided to countersink the license plate into the rear of the car. I just hate my original idea of putting the 4 mounting pegs on the back. I am cutting them off the car tonight and im goign to build the box tonight unless I can find one to buy thats pre-made. Then sink it into the car about an inch.
The bad part is I will have to cut out most of the body lines I had to make but oh well. I would rather do it how I want otherwise I will hate it every time I look back there. I drew up my idea and its gonna look really really good when im finished!!! :twothumbs
Allen
Thats exactly what I already had in mind. I even mentioned that yesterday too in post 87. Is there somewhere I can buy that box??? That would be a heck of a lot better than building one myself.

[kmcanally]

Looks great Adam! I Look forward to seeing your frenched plate...

[CAMAROBOY69]

Looks great Adam! I Look forward to seeing your frenched plate...
T/y I cant wait to do it!
OH ok its a "French Plate" I wasnt sure what that meant but now I understand. Anyone know a quick place I can pick one up?? Otherwise I will build my own.

[CAMAROBOY69]

This is the kit I decided to go with. Minus the 3rd brake light.
http://www.watsons-streetworks.com/license_plate.html

Frenched License Plate Kit
with LED Plate Illumination

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[zbugger]

Heh... That looks like the one I was gonna mention. Similar at least. I gotta look at some of my truck magazines to be sure though. Hope it works well Adam. How are you gonna finish up the bumpers?

[CAMAROBOY69]

Heh... That looks like the one I was gonna mention. Similar at least. I gotta look at some of my truck magazines to be sure though. Hope it works well Adam. How are you gonna finish up the bumpers?
I am excited for the Frenched box to arrive. To finish up the split bumpers, I am going to make that section round and try to match the same shape as the outside of the bumper. The part where it is round. I will need to buy a vice for sure before I even attempt hammering 1/8" thick steel with a hammer.

[Damn True]

Why don't you buy another rear bumper and cut the curved ends off then weld them onto the inner opening.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thats exactly what I would like to do. However, to buy another one then pay shipping would be expensive. There arent any junkyards that have 69 camaros so thats out of the question too. It wont be too hard to make the pieces. Just a hammer and something round to form them on. Oh perfect my truck bumper is round. THen the rest I can bend probably in a vice. (once I buy one :doh: )

[Damn True]

You might want to take one of those ends and go down to the junk yard and see if you can find something that fits the curvature of the '69 bumper or is at least close. Might save you a lot of heat-beat time.....which I'm sure your neihbors will appreciate.

[bretcopsey]

Adam,


I'm sure Chris isn't going to be able to use his rear bumper-maybe you can sweet talk him into cutting off the ends and shipping them to you? Won't hurt to ask...

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72137&highlight=rearended

[CAMAROBOY69]

Adam,


I'm sure Chris isn't going to be able to use his rear bumper-maybe you can sweet talk him into cutting off the ends and shipping them to you? Won't hurt to ask...

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72137&highlight=rearended
I will send him a PM. Thanks for the heads up.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I just bought a rear bumper from boilermaker so when that arrives I will figure out how I am going to make the middle piece. :twothumbs
Anyone have any quick ways to remove chrome from a bumper or do I just scuff it up for primer and paint?

[Damn True]

You are going to paint your bumper right?

If so, you can whack the chrome off with 80gt then smooth the metal with something lighter, skim it with some filler and prime.

If you are powdercoating you should be able to just DA the thing and the PC will stick just fine.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Yes I will be painting it to match the body. Ok thanks. 80 grit then fill. Sounds good to me. I am so excited to finaly finish this up. Just have to wait for my Frenched box and the rear bumper. :)

[Travis B]

Your better off to have it blasted....paint and primer likes to peel off of chrome!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Just for clearification..I plan on removing the chrome 100% Wish I had a sand blaster. I will look around before I start sanding by hand all day. Thanks for the suggestion.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I must say..I am VERY VERY impressed with the quality of this Frenched box from Street Works. I would highly recommend them for anything. The customer service was wonderful and their product really really satisfied me. Excellent quality! I cant wait to weld this into the car tomorrow. Later I will hook up the LED lights. :)
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[Modo Innovations]

I read in the Machinery Handook that you can etch the chrome with muratic acid and then use a zinc chromate primer and then paint it. I did try this a long time ago on a chrome rear end cover and it did work well. When I sold the rear end the paint on the cover was about 5 yrs. old. No chipping or peeling. This might be something you may want to research further.

[hiwayman]

hey camaroboy had my bumpers reversed chromed,no chrome at all going to paint them body colour im going to fire the exuast out the rear gaurd just behind the tyre should look the part

[CAMAROBOY69]

This is my happiest update so far. About 4 hours of work. I am absolutely in love with the look of this!!! I even hooked up the LED license plate lights right before I went to bed. I know its really late for most people but I would really appreciate some feedback on this.
I even moved the SS emblem up a half inch so it was symetrical to everything else I did.
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[Rick Dorion]

I'm impressed. Your efforts really dress up the back of your car and make it stand out. Good job!!

[Jagarang]

Nicely done Adam. (Edit: The more I look at the pics the better it looks! Friggen sweet modification!). Kudos to you for having the cojones to cut and weld on your baby. It looks like it belongs there. Becarefull, you might start a trend!

While looking at the pics, I began to ponder the stability of the "bumperettes" once you have them reinstalled? Will a single mounting point be sufficient to handle long term vibrational and torsional stresses in store for them? How hard would it be to drill/tap a second firm point in the rear valence and to add a stud(s) to each "bumperette" for better stability?

It's a little late, but it just comes to mind...Would this raise any safety issues with your DMV or any race tracks?

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks for the compliments Rick and Kevin.
Kevin,
To answer your question about the mounting of the bumpers.Dont worry I have that all figured out already. I will have 2 -3 mounting points on each bumper. Then inside the car I will run a 1" or 2" thick walled tube that will bolt from the inside of one bumper to the inside of the other. Also the bolts will be shaved for a clean look and the brackets will be welded directly to the inside of the bumpers. Just like Rybar did with his car. When I am finished the rear of this car will be 10x stronger than the original 69 Camaro rear. :)

[TEDDYS CAMARO]

Adam, That Plate Looks Awesome. When Are You Going To Put The Bumper On??

[Jagarang]

Well done brother!



Thanks for the compliments Rick and Kevin.
Kevin,
To answer your question about the mounting of the bumpers.Dont worry I have that all figured out already. I will have 2 -3 mounting points on each bumper. Then inside the car I will run a 1" or 2" thick walled tube that will bolt from the inside of one bumper to the inside of the other. Also the bolts will be shaved for a clean look and the brackets will be welded directly to the inside of the bumpers. Just like Rybar did with his car. When I am finished the rear of this car will be 10x stronger than the original 69 Camaro rear. :)

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks Teddy. :) I will be putting the bumper on as soon as the spare bumper comes in that I bought from boilermaker. He had a used bumper and I am going to use the ends of mine to put onto the inside of his if his bumper if it is in better shape than mine. If not then I will put his ends on the inside part of my bumper.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I just spoke to boilermaker and he said its shipping out today. If I dont have it by tuesday then I will hopefully have it by thurday and I will install it thursday night all pieced together.

[bretcopsey]

Adam,

Since the Firewall here at work doesn't allow me to view the pics are you running the bumpers straight, or are you making them "L" shaped like the C3-see nitrovette's picture attached

[CAMAROBOY69]

If you cant see those pics try to go here. http://www.adfabdesign.com/Illusion/Exhaust/Exhaust.html
I wont make them L shaped. Aactually I will be making my bumpers exactly how killer69 is doing his.
I thought of that bumper idea a long time ago and he was the first person to actually split the bumper exactly how I had in mind.
I am also hoping to get a white plate instead of the ugly blue one.

[bretcopsey]

That looks awesome, thanks for the link!!

I have a pair of origional rear bumperettes for my 68 that I have been thinking of making into something like the C3 for a couple years now. Part of me was hoping that is what you did to see if I liked it, the other part was hoping not so that I wouldn't be following in someone else's footsteps so to speak.

Now, when do you think you'll paint it? Keep up the good work!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thats the same thing that happened to me. I was excited to be the first to do the split bumper. Then while I was in the process of doing it I ran upon killer69's car. After looking at a few pics I noticed the split bumper and was excited because it was exactly what I was doing and it looked damn good. On the other hand I was a little disappointed because I have to quit saying "I was the first person to do the that" At least no one else has ever done my exhaust set up or frenched a plate like I did. I try to go out of my way to make my car as unique as possible. Its just so hard to do on this site with all of the talented and creative members. :)

[muthstryker]

wow great work looks good.

matt

[zbugger]

Adam, now I want to know what the car sounds like. I know it should sound different, but do you like it? Honestly, I think it should sound pretty sweet, especially from behind.

[CAMAROBOY69]

wow great work looks good.

matt
Thanks Matt :)

Adam, now I want to know what the car sounds like. I know it should sound different, but do you like it? Honestly, I think it should sound pretty sweet, especially from behind.
Allen,
I am not finished running the 3" pipe over the axle yet. It is going to be a tough task since the guys that bent my pipe couldnt match what I wanted. Soo with that said I borrowed my grandmas reciprocating saw and I am going to have to piece a lot of this together. I did get the tail pipes set in place this weekend where I want them. They are welded temporarily just to hold them in place until I get the tail pipes over the axle finished. After that I will make adjustable exhaust hangers. I sure hope it sounds as loud as it does right now. If not then I will be disappointed but I wont give up until I am happy.
Here are a couple pics from this weekend. Remember these are only the chrome tips. Not finished with exhaust yet. Hopefully the other bumper will arive so I can start the design for that too.
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[CAMAROBOY69]

I realized after looking at many exhaust pics that my exhaust set up looks more like a Lamborghini Murcielago set up than a Viper. I might have to change the title and the way its listed on my site. THe viper exhaust goes under the car. The lambo goes thru the bottom like mine. :)

[TonyL]

Title changed.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Title changed.
Thanks Tony. It makes much more sense this way. :woot:

[Piet]

Looks Great

[J-Rod]

Man o man....

You borrowing a reciprocating saw from your grandma just made my day.

Thanks Adam:)

[Todds69]

That looks real sweet....nice job!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks for the compliments guys. I really put that recep saw to work tonight. Here is an update after about 2 hours of work. It went extremely well!!!!
Here is my pieced together section that goes from the mufflers over the axle right to the exhaust tips. Fits perfect.
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[CAMAROBOY69]

Whewwwww heww!!! What a great night! Not only did I get the exhaust all welded up, I GOT A VIDEO AFTER I STARTED IT!!!!!! I was shocked how well it sounded. Very unique sound since its side by side.
Its mainly just an audio clip of it at idle then a couple 4,000rpm revs. Sounds wayyy better in person!! :woot:
I also included a pic of one of the spilt bumpers welded together.
Video of the exhaust sound! (http://www.adfabdesign.com/Illusion/Exhaust/Camaro%20sound%20clip.wmv)
2 pics of the split bumper.
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[kmcanally]

Looks and sounds great Adam!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks kmcanally,
Im glad someone else likes it besides me. :) Everyone else must be tired of hearing 40 series Flowmasters.

[datsbad]

get the bumper on man , i want to see it .

looks hot . what are you doing for a gas tank ?

[zbugger]

See Adam? I told you it would sound good. I just didn't know it would sound quite THAT nice. Now I'm requesting video of walking around the car so we can get the total experience.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks guys! I worked on the rear split bumpers this weekend. Both are all welded together and the driver side chrome is completely stripped off. I need to make 3 more brackets for the bumpers. I also need to reinforce the trunk floor for the exhaust hangers. I didnt realize how weak the trunk floor is and there is no way it would hold the exhaust for a long period of time. I love the look of the split bumpers!!!
For one of the valentines presents, I took a break from the Camaro on sunday and Heather and I decided to tackle both rear quarters of her Mustang. I will eventually give a full update on the Mustang after both quarters are installed. The Mustang also has a new passenger fender and floors are welded in. :woot:

[datsbad]

what gas tank ?????

[CAMAROBOY69]

what gas tank ?????
I am using a universal fuel cell mounted in the trunk. I think the fuel cell was around $250.00. I t will raise the the center of gravity but I don't think it will really be noticable. I guess I will find out when I take it for a ride. Whenever the snow melts.

[datsbad]

k thanks

[toofun]

Hey Adam,

Man that looks sweet!! Once again you never cease to amaze me. Good job on the dual exhaust, it looks killer!! Also sounds real nice. Just curious, you went three inch all the way back through 40 series flowmasters??? I ask because me and you have the same engine combo and I am looking for that kind of sound!!

Mark
TOOFUN

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks a lot Mark,
My headers are some really really junky old headers that came with the car over 3 years ago. After that it goes to 2 1/2" into the flowmaster 40 series. Out of the flows it goes into the 3" pipe up and over the rear end into 3" chrome tips. If you went 3" in and out of the flows it would sound even better. Keep in mind that you wont get the exact same tone that I have unless you run your tips side by side like mine. My friend has the same engine combo and exhaust as I do and he is running 3" but mine sounds wayy better because its side by side out the center. To my surprise it sounds the same as when it was just dumped in front of the rear axle. I was very happy. :)

[Jagarang]

I'm green with envy! That sheot is and sounds wicked!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks Kevin,
It wont be long before you get to hear yours running too! :)

[CAMAROBOY69]

I reinforced the trunk tonight and bolted up 2 of the 4 exhaust brackets. I also set the rear split bumpers in place and the chrome is all stripped off of them.
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[datsbad]

very nice Adam , i like it alot .

damn that looks good . now everyone will do it !!! LOL !!

[CAMAROBOY69]

very nice Adam , i like it alot .

damn that looks good . now everyone will do it !!! LOL !!
Thank you. :) I only have 2 more exhaust brackets to bolt up and then I have to make 3 more bumper brackets then it will be finished. As soon as the snow melts and the roads are dry, :drive1: I am going to take it for a drive to see how it sounds instead of just at idle. :seizure:
Oh yeah, the 2 exhaust brackets in the rear are fully adjustable so I can really dial in the location of the tail pipes.

[Jagarang]

Looks great Adam. I still can't believe your doing this in your icebox of a garage with basic tools. Kudos!

[Z06killinSBF]

Looks awesome. Do you have anyplace with step-step pics. Im too lazy to go through every page.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Looks great Adam. I still can't believe your doing this in your icebox of a garage with basic tools. Kudos!
Thanks Kevin. I have a heater in there now otherwise your right it would be a complete icebox. You gotta give us an update on your bird "Eternity"

Looks awesome. Do you have anyplace with step-step pics. Im too lazy to go through every page.
Thank you. You can see step by step from the very beginning by clicking the link in my sig that sais "Illusion Website". Then go to "Exhaust like a lamborghini". I still have to update it with the pics from last night.

[Jagarang]

Thanks Kevin. I have a heater in there now otherwise your right it would be a complete icebox. You gotta give us an update on your bird "Eternity"


DONE! Check project updates. It's a little update, but it's progress!!

[Z06killinSBF]

Do you have any undercar shots? Looks like nice work.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Its quite ugly under the car right now from the old leaking exhaust tank but I will try to get some pics. I was going to last night but the car is so low I would have to either jack the car back up or just set the camera on the ground and have it face upward. Looking from the back of the car you cant see the exhaust pipes at all which is exactly what I wanted. :) You can see the mufflers. I am trying to tuck them up a little more into the car but there really is only about an inch to work with so I think they will just stay were they are. They have never bottomed out before and im sure they wont bottome out now.

[Z06killinSBF]

You can "hide" the mufflers alittle bit by painting them black. Just an idea.

[CAMAROBOY69]

You can "hide" the mufflers alittle bit by painting them black. Just an idea.
I had that exact same idea. I bought some cans of high temp silver for the engine and I was going to spray the pipes with it but I was really really thinking of black. I wonder if anyone else has done this. I am sure the paint will burn right off anyway even though it sais high temp. I will leave my chrome tips just the way they are.
I just made a thread to see if anyone has went the black route https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15478

[Z06killinSBF]

I've done the black. It holds up better than the silver. The silver will rub off on your hands EASY. My silver burnt off because I had a tranny leak.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Do you have any pics?

[Z06killinSBF]

This is done in black
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[Z06killinSBF]

I did the exhaust on my 66' in silver. You can kinda see alittle bit of it. It didnt seem to hold up and was pretty much rubbed off by the time I got it back on the car. (excuse the nasty fame, Im working on it)
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[CAMAROBOY69]

Thats pretty much what I figured. The closer that paint is to the engine the more it would burn off. Oh and dont worry about having anything ugly. I wont even post engine pics because mine looks soo bad. However I am hoping to give it a makover soon. Hmm if its just going to burn off anyway mabey I will just paint it silver.
I wouldnt paint my tips black.

[Z06killinSBF]

These tips were just aluminized and we were just trying to hide everything. I deff wouldn't paint your nice chrome tips.

[Travis B]

regular high temp paint won't hold up


we have some stuff at the shop that requires perfectly clean sanded metal you spray it on and it does not come off...it comes in black and dark gray. I will look at the can this weekend

[TonyL]

im sure black "header paint" would be ok on mufflers and pipes. Headers are the hottest part of an exhaust system. (see eastwood's site here (http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/search/searchresultsmain.jsp?affiliate=1&fresh=1&searchType=advanced&RS=1&keyword=header,paint))

[Jagarang]

Hmmmmm.....Jet Hot? Ceramic? YUmmmmmmy

[Travis B]

im sure black "header paint" would be ok on mufflers and pipes. Headers are the hottest part of an exhaust system. (see eastwood's site here (http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/search/searchresultsmain.jsp?affiliate=1&fresh=1&searchType=advanced&RS=1&keyword=header,paint))


thats what I was thinking off......it adhears much better to freshly sandblasted metal!

[Z06killinSBF]

My headers have some kinda old school 80's "Alumicoat" done to them. They are really rough but hold paint like a mofo. I've had the same white header paint on it for the past 5 years.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Hmmmmm.....Jet Hot? Ceramic? YUmmmmmmy
I would LOVE to do that some day and get new ceramic headers too. My headers are soo friggin ugly right now. They are just rust color. I will try and clean them up then paint but I know it will come off. Still better than the current rust color.
I wonder how much it would cost to send my exhaust out to someone to have it coated? It would be a while but I would still like to know a rough price. Im not even sure where to send it.

[CAMAROBOY69]

im sure black "header paint" would be ok on mufflers and pipes. Headers are the hottest part of an exhaust system. (see eastwood's site here (http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/search/searchresultsmain.jsp?affiliate=1&fresh=1&searchType=advanced&RS=1&keyword=header,paint))
I will look at the can I think its only rated at 500degress. I bought it for the engine but thought about spraying a little on the pipes to prevent rust. Like you said mabey I should look into the header paint. I think I would like to go with silver for the heck of it. You really cant even see under my car anyway unless your on your knees. Nevermind how I know that. :lmao:

[CAMAROBOY69]

I forgot to post the update. I only had about 2 hours on the car last night. I finished the last 2 brackets for the exhaust and now its is 100% bolted up. I spent some time trying to dial in the location of the chrome tips. Also I need 2 new header coupler gaskets since I blew 1 of them out last year on the way home from Gingerman raceway.
After I finished the exhaust I made and welded 2 more brackets for the fuel cell in the truck. I also finished welding the other 2 brackets for the fuel cell. I spend the last 5-10 minutes polishing the fuel cell with Mothers. I will also try to get a walk around video of the exhaust and an in car video.

[Jagarang]

You come in here and tease us all with a bunch of words about buttoning everything up, and then to top it off you promise a video, and just leave it at that! You sir are unconscionable! :spank2:

To make up for this grevious act you must also include a very long video of something very decadant and lively, in addition to a walkaround! :3gears:

[Z06killinSBF]

Hehe:pics2:

[CAMAROBOY69]

The car looks the same as in post #144. But now the exhaust is all bolted up instead of just setting there. I will get pics and videos fairly soon. Actually I wont be posting any more pics or videos of this car until the rear end is all epoxy primered. Then I will give the full walk around and some of this. :3gears:

[CAMAROBOY69]

I sanded and degreased the mufflers and all the tail pipes that go over the rear end last night. I just used the 500degree ceramic silver engine paint. I know it wont last forever but it will slow the rust down quite a bit. I love how it turned out!!! The silver looks sick under there. I could actually see pieces of metal coming out of the paint can when I was spraying.
After that I started working on the bumper brackets and just said screw this. I looked in the classic industries book and its only $29.95 for the entire rear set of bumper brackets. I will just order those and it will save me hours of labor making my own brackets.
This is getting soo exciting. Seeing the silver paint on my exhaust sure was a teaser of how nice the car will look once painted. I cant friggin wait!! I will be painting the engine soon too just so im not as embarrased to open the hood.

[JoshStratton]

Ok. So this will sound like a dumb question, but you will have to forgive me since I have never had a 1st gen or the acorns to touch someone else's, but do the 1st gens have metal bumpers? I wanted to do something slightly similar with my 2nd gen exhaust, but the bumpers are plastic and I am worried that the heat would melt them.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Ok. So this will sound like a dumb question, but you will have to forgive me since I have never had a 1st gen or the acorns to touch someone else's, but do the 1st gens have metal bumpers? I wanted to do something slightly similar with my 2nd gen exhaust, but the bumpers are plastic and I am worried that the heat would melt them.
Post #144 has my recent pics with the split bumpers setting in place. They are metal and you can see all the chrome stripped off. My exhaust is no where near my bumpers at all. Heat wont be an issue. I am sure it wont be an issue for you either.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Classic industries was out of stock so I ended up paying $39.95 from Ricks First gen. $10 more and I have to wait to find the shipping price and that will probably be another $5-$10. That seems like a strange way to sell parts. :hand:
I probably wont order from them again.
I cancelled the order from Ricks First Gen and went with NPD.

[bretcopsey]

Next time you need to go the mail order route, you might want to try these guys www.chevroletrestorationworld.com (http://www.chevroletrestorationworld.com)


Prices are comparable to everyone else, but the service is outstanding. Not to mention you may receive your parts more quickly since they're relatively close to you.

NPD or Paddock (one or both) I beleive are also nearby, but I have no experiance dealing with either.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I just called NPD (where I order our Mustang parts) and the brackets will be here on Tuesday!! AND they were only $29.95!!! :) I think I might just keep ordering our Mustang and Camaro parts from NPD.
Called Ricks First Gen back and cancelled my order.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Dang now thats service. I ordered the brackets on friday and was told they would arrive tuesday. Well they came in last night (monday)!! I should have both rear bumpers completely bolted up tonight. :yeah:

[1Fine69]

Camaroboy wat exhaust do you have it sounds great

[CAMAROBOY69]

T/Y The mufflers are 3 year old Flowmaster 40 series. The first items I ever bought for my Camaro 3 years ago. :)
The last video I posted is with the full exhaust too all the way out the back of the car.

[CAMAROBOY69]

I got all 6 rear bumper brackets welded to the bumpers and bolted to the car. Took some work buy it turned out perfect!!!! They are the same lenght, symetrical, and line up with all the rear body lines of the car. I am extremely happy with the results.
Next I will add some fiberglass and filler to smooth out the bumpers and the rear of the car. After that it will be ready for a coat of epoxy primer. Then of course pics and videos with a walk around. :yeah:

[CAMAROBOY69]

Started smoothing out the rear bumpers last night with fiberglass and filler. That is going real well. Already looks like they are solid pieces.
I also spent about an hour painting my ugly engine. For those that didnt know, it used to be yellow. Dont ask. What a HUGE difference!!!!! I painted it the same silver engine paint as the tail pipes and muffler. I wont be as embarrased to show everyone the engine now. :seizure: I will probably post the engine pics in the engine forum but I was excited and wanted to mention it. Its still not that beautiful but its way better than yellow.
EDIT: I also added the most recent pics and the video to the very first post so no one has to search thru all these posts anymore. :)

[Norwoodx55]

This has got to be the Mother of All Threads, 10 pages!

[6'9"Witha69]

This has got to be the Mother of All Threads, 10 pages!You haven't read the Cuda thread, have you?

[dhardison]

Adam, The new exhaust sounds GREAT! I like the unique look as well. Nice job :twothumbs !

[mdprovee]

You did a great job Adam.

[CAMAROBOY69]

t/y I was very happy with the sound too. I wanted it to stay as loud as it was before, and it did. Usually full exhaust quites a car down a lot. I am hoping to finish up all the sanding on the rear panel and possibly epoxy primer it late thursday night. My sander broke on tuesday so that slowed me down instantly. Im going to get another one tonight. I really really want to get the rear done tomorrow night. :fingersx:
Once its epoxy primered I will get some better pics of everything outside of the garage.

[CAMAROBOY69]

UPDATE:
I actually met my deadline last night and got the entire rear all smoothed out and epoxy primered by 10:30. It turned out great!!! Way better than I expected considering I had to have it primered thursday night. The rear is now about 90% complete. I still have a few things to smooth out but now if I pull it out in the rain today and tomorrow, nothing will get damaged from rain since it is epoxy primered. I even primered the split bumpers and those turned out real nice! :D

[dhardison]

UPDATE:
I actually met my deadline last night and got the entire rear all smoothed out and epoxy primered by 10:30. It turned out great!!! Way better than I expected considering I had to have it primered thursday night. The rear is now about 90% complete. I still have a few things to smooth out but now if I pull it out in the rain today and tomorrow, nothing will get damaged from rain since it is epoxy primered. I even primered the split bumpers and those turned out real nice! :D
:postpics:

Do you have any shots of how you ran the pipes?

[CAMAROBOY69]

Now that everything is under 3 coats of good epoxy primer, I will bolt up the rear bumpers and try to get some pics this weekend. Mabey even a walk around video if the weather clears up at all. :)

[dhardison]

Do you have any pics of how you ran the pipes?

[CAMAROBOY69]

No not yet. I will try to get those this weekend if the weather clears up.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Oh for those that didnt know, my car was in a rear end collision before I even bought it. It has been hell trying to do the bodywork on the rear of that car. The passenger rear quarter was all damaged and the entire rear tail pan was warped. I should have replaced the tail pain but I guess I like to do everythign the hard way. :screwy:
At least the rear is 90% complete now. This entire exhaust, license plate, split bumper set up has been a lot of work. All the hard work finally paid off last night. You cant even imagine how happy I am right now. :)

[CAMAROBOY69]

It was a perfect weekend. Sun out and 55degrees!! Had to take some more pics for everyone. I finally got to drive the Camaro for the first time with the new exhaust set up. Sounds perfect and actually has a very unique tone since the tail pipes are soooo close together out the center!!! Drove around the beach with Heather for about an hour and a half just cruising. Had to fry the tires a few times of course. :D
I still have to bolt up my aluminum QA1 shocks. Also added these to first post.

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[whytry]

Looks great!!! Very clean

[Jagarang]

Wow...Totally infrigginsane! Awesome! Sound? Video! You PROMISED!!!

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks guys. Dont worry Kevin I will keep my promise and get some videos. :drive: