Which suspension companies improve geometry?

[LS1NOVA]

No bashing just facts please.

[John Wright]

Nathan,
Not sure how this will turn out, judging from the other thread. Keeping my fingers crossed for ya.

I see a point that was trying to be made, maybe it wasn't presented as tactfully as it could have been.
If you are selling performance parts and your site states that a certain part or combination of parts will improve geometry, I suppose that you should make some sort of an effort to describe the changes in geometry in some detail and how they are improved over the factory design. I understand that some information is propietary, but an effort to explain the changes and how they are beneficial would be a good start.

[TitoJones]

That's pretty open ended. What platform? What aspect do you want 'improved'? Vague questions will get vague answers. Specifics and goals with get you a wealth of info.

Tyler

[6'9"Witha69]

Perhaps a template discussing baseline and expected improvements. Like,

First Gen Camaro:
Decription Baseline After
Bumpsteer
Caster
Caster gain
Camber
Camber Gain
Track width
Pin drop



You could define whatever you want to see and we could compare the basline to the AFTER numbers by manufacturer. Would be nice to see whjo wants to play in our sandbox!

[silver69camaro]

I'd love to see that info, Nick.

Anybody who wants to spec some X,Y,Z coordinates of their modified suspension, I'll map it out in WinGEO and take a look.

[LS1NOVA]

Ok how about we start out by stating platforms and what thier designs flaws are, or areas that can be changed to improve handling.

Such as:
First gen camaro and third gen Nova-camber issues

[silver69camaro]

Ok how about we start out by stating platforms and what thier designs flaws are, or areas that can be changed to improve handling.

Such as:
First gen camaro and third gen Nova-camber issues

Don't forget the lousy bumpsteer, vertical and horizontal RC movement, spring/shock motion ratio, caster gain issues, etc.

[67CamNKC]

I hope I'm not the only one, but maybe some explaining on how certain parts help. I have received help when asked and when in doubt, do what the pros do. Just not sure I completely understand what I'm fixing...

[JRouche]

The way I see it is not what companies provide the needed suspension improvements. But more of what car do you have and what is your goal for the car.

Im solly but your question was way to open ended.

You need to provide more info. Like what car do you have. What are the shortcomings you notice. What is your goal for the car. Track, street, show. A lil of all? Thats reaching, but not unobtainable. There are many production cars that have attained all three of those qualifications.

But for YOUR car more info is needed.

Otherwise it becomes a guessing game and a who makes the best parts type thread which there is no answer to.

Your question needs to posted like this:

I have a 68 camaro. I have a completely stock suspension. I would like to lower it some for looks. I have some tires and wheels in mind, they are these. I dont track the car, but it would be nice to have the ability to go to the track in the future. I spend all of my time on the street for now. I dont like the way the car handles in the turns on the street. It feels like Im riding a boat. I dont mind a lil more stiffness on the street. I would just like it to feel as good (actually much better) as my honda that I drive everyday. Tighter steering, firmer suspension in the turns and a solid feel on the highway, not so much wandering and loose feeling. And the brakes are kinda scary. Dont wanna take it too deep in a turn or come close to any cars at speed because the brakes will give out and fade away. My strict budget is 3500 dollars for the front. Ill look at the back when more money comes. . And thats all I have. Anyone have any advice for some fixes. My priority is handling. I can keep the brakes and rebuild what I have. So I would like to improve the handling, maybe even improve the stance, a lil lower would look nice. Any help would be great.


That is a post that most guys can work off of. Not an open ended question for what company to use. Its NOT about the company. Its about what YOU need. Hard to tell without any info. JR

[Mkelcy]

Your question needs to posted like this:

I have a 68 camero. . . .

That'll get responses, but probably not too many about suspension bits.

Frankly, the question should be something like - "What do I need to do to correct the camber curve on a first generation Camaro?" or "Do aftermarket tubular control arms correct the camber curve on a first generation Camaro?" Something much more specific inquiring into whether or not a specific part, regardless of source, can fix a particular problem.

[JRouche]

Shannon. Yer not even the only one buddy. There are more folks here that are like you (and me) then the pros that have it all down. And I love it that there are so many guys here that know their stuff and give their knowledge freely. Ill thank them now..

I have a stack of car books a few feet high. Ive read them all. Prolly a 1/8th of those books are on suspensions. Some are good. Some are over the top for me, too much into the engineering of suspensions. But I read them all. They are dog eared and highlighted to the point of looking like an old school book. And Im NOT a school dude, got kicked out of HS in the 9th grade. So books are not my best friend.

But three books on suspensions are a good read and Ill recommend them.

How to Make Your Car Handle by Fred Puhn
http://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Your-Car-Handle/dp/0912656468

Chassis Engineering by Herb Adams
http://www.amazon.com/Chassis-Engineering-HP1055-Herb-Adams/dp/1557880557/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270183885&sr=1-1

Tune to Win by Carroll Smith
http://www.amazon.com/Tune-Win-Carroll-Smith/dp/0879380713/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270183970&sr=1-1


All three of these books are perfect for the guy wanting to learn how suspension systems work. And they are an easy read, all of them. They break it down to laymen terms that the average Joe can get his head around. Not alot of engineering terms that dont mean much to the new comer. And some great diagrams and pictures for the visual learner. And really, all those books do cover everything about suspensions that a car guy needs to know. They arent engineering books. You wont get alot of math issues from them. If you need the math questions answered there are many more books to go to. But you better be in school at that point because they wont be of any use or much fun to read. For real world talk, not classroom talk, these books will cover any questions you have about suspensions. I highly recommend getting all three. Start with any of them. But personally, I like Carroll's books because I like the way he writes. I could read him all day. He writes like he is talking to you in yer garage. JR



I hope I'm not the only one, but maybe some explaining on how certain parts help. I have received help when asked and when in doubt, do what the pros do. Just not sure I completely understand what I'm fixing...

[JRouche]

That'll get responses, but probably not too many about suspension bits.

Frankly, the question should be something like - "What do I need to do to correct the camber curve on a first generation Camaro?" or "Do aftermarket tubular control arms correct the camber curve on a first generation Camaro?" Something much more specific inquiring into whether or not a specific part, regardless of source, can fix a particular problem.

Hahaha... YUP... All that too for the camaro guys. Solly, spelling and ownership of cars and their proper spelling wasnt my strong point. I can make a hoppy American Pale Ale though that is sure to please :) I tend to over hop my APA but thats how I like it... Beer. We were talking about home brew right?????? Geeeze.. I got side tracked again. JR

[Norm Peterson]

Might want to keep the amount of anti-dive in mind.


Norm