Pontiac Zone forums

[67rstbkt]

Since I'm building a Pontiac, I was looking around for some motor info and stumbled across Pontiac Zone. I lurked around a bit and decided to join. Well, I got an e-mail back from the admin saying I don't meet their requirements?? What's up with that? I guess I'm just not worthy......:wedgie:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

ah.. another one down from the Poncho purists...

dont worry.. i already learned that many poncho sites are rediculously d1ckoulous about modifications to ANY pontiac.

[LateNight72]

Did you mention that the car is going to be Pro-Touring? I don't know of the site but after looking around it looks as if its mostly Pro-Street cars and originals. Most of which the owners do not "approve" of us "ricing" our cars out.

[67rstbkt]

Did you mention that the car is going to be Pro-Touring? I don't know of the site but after looking around it looks as if its mostly Pro-Street cars and originals. Most of which the owners do not "approve" of us "ricing" our cars out.


Nope, I completed the registration; which asked for my D.O.B, address, and phone number, although I did use the same user i.d as I do here. I just figured they're extra cautious of spammers. All the e-mail said was that I do not meet their requirements. I asked what that meant, but have just been ignored. I was just looking for more detailed info and support since I'm running the Pontiac motor. Age discrimination?? Whatever it is, the whole thing is lame. :machine:

[67rstbkt]

ah.. another one down from the Poncho purists...

dont worry.. i already learned that many poncho sites are rediculously d1ckoulous about modifications to ANY pontiac.


I guess I'll have to plan some more modifications :idea: I'm already planning to splice the round gas cap section from a 67 Camaro into my Firebird panel, lol. I wonder how they feel about that? :enguard:

[LeighP]

Head over to the forums at www.performanceyears.com
there is a wealth of Pontiac tech info and some very knowledgeable builders over there...big forum.

[67rstbkt]

Head over to the forums at www.performanceyears.com (http://www.performanceyears.com)
there is a wealth of Pontiac tech info and some very knowledgeable builders over there...big forum.

Thanks, I'll check them out. I already have an idea of how I want to build this motor, I just want to have as much info as possible before I start.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

yup performance years is the best... BUT... dont even THINK to mention pro-touring.. or youll get an eye/ear full.

[wmhjr]

You're really not missing much at Pontiac Zone. There really isn't much activity. Performance Years is the most active.

Let me know if you need info about something. Ponchos can be a little unique. Pontiac motors definitely are not chevies. Take advantage of other peoples experience rather than making mistakes you can avoid.

[67rstbkt]

You're really not missing much at Pontiac Zone. There really isn't much activity. Performance Years is the most active.

Let me know if you need info about something. Ponchos can be a little unique. Pontiac motors definitely are not chevies. Take advantage of other peoples experience rather than making mistakes you can avoid.


I know, I'm slowly figuring that out, but I'm determined to keep my car Ponch powered. And thanks, I will. :drive1:

[67bird]

I am a member of both. I might visit the zone 1 time for every 50 that I am on PY. There is alot of tech over there for Pontiac engines. Depending on your build or what you know about Pontiac engines, I would recommend Jim Hands Book as a Primer. It covers just about everything you can do with a stock block,heads, and crank. From there on out I would recommend you talk to one of the better Pontiac builders who are close to your area. If location isn't a concern I would say talk to SD Performance, Butler, Cerelli, Ken Keefer, Ken Brewer, just to name a few. They will steer you in the right directions. All will answer you questions, and won't try to push parts on you. :1st:

[wmhjr]

Without starting a controversy..

Let's just say Jim Hands book is a good start - but is not necessarily gospel. Over on PY one of the things I don't like is how Jim is treated like a god who must always be correct. Just like how PY doesn't like some non-traditional stuff. Use his book and advice like any other.

I will also echo a couple other things. For heads and valve work, SD Performance is top notch. Dave is excellent there. Matter of fact, if you're going to buy either KRE or E-heads, that's the place to get them. Superb porting, and they inspect the castings first so you know you're OK. Not always the case if you get heads directly from KRE, for example - and I'm not slamming KRE. I've talked to them quite a bit and they're good people. I took my motor to KRE to use their dyno. Ken Brewer is not THAT far away, and he both builds and sells excellent stuff. The Butlers are also good people with a well deserved good reputation.

Another guy I just can't say enough good things about is Dave Hillard of Hillard Performance. A small one man shop who works "with" you to build what you want and need, and will always try to help you make the best decision and build - not just the one "he" likes or the one that makes him the most money. Dave was my voice of reason in this last build.

[67rstbkt]

I am a member of both. I might visit the zone 1 time for every 50 that I am on PY. There is alot of tech over there for Pontiac engines. Depending on your build or what you know about Pontiac engines, I would recommend Jim Hands Book as a Primer. It covers just about everything you can do with a stock block,heads, and crank. From there on out I would recommend you talk to one of the better Pontiac builders who are close to your area. If location isn't a concern I would say talk to SD Performance, Butler, Cerelli, Ken Keefer, Ken Brewer, just to name a few. They will steer you in the right directions. All will answer you questions, and won't try to push parts on you. :1st:

I have that book and have been reading it, I was just looking for some more advice and these forums have always been pretty helpful in my experience. Unfortunately, I don't think there are any Pontiac builders near Reno, NV. When I get to getting some parts, Butler is definately on the short list, though. Thanks

[67rstbkt]

Without starting a controversy..

Let's just say Jim Hands book is a good start - but is not necessarily gospel. Over on PY one of the things I don't like is how Jim is treated like a god who must always be correct. Just like how PY doesn't like some non-traditional stuff. Use his book and advice like any other.

I will also echo a couple other things. For heads and valve work, SD Performance is top notch. Dave is excellent there. Matter of fact, if you're going to buy either KRE or E-heads, that's the place to get them. Superb porting, and they inspect the castings first so you know you're OK. Not always the case if you get heads directly from KRE, for example - and I'm not slamming KRE. I've talked to them quite a bit and they're good people. I took my motor to KRE to use their dyno. Ken Brewer is not THAT far away, and he both builds and sells excellent stuff. The Butlers are also good people with a well deserved good reputation.

Another guy I just can't say enough good things about is Dave Hillard of Hillard Performance. A small one man shop who works "with" you to build what you want and need, and will always try to help you make the best decision and build - not just the one "he" likes or the one that makes him the most money. Dave was my voice of reason in this last build.

Thanks for the advice. I'll look into your suggestions.

[No Moolah]

Join PY, tons of good info on that site in reguards to Pontiacs. Every brand name site has its purists but these guy show some mercy.

[dlrepmn]

And you don't think you won't get lashed with a wet noodle repeatedly here (pro-touring) for putting in Non-Poncho parts?

My aftermarket "everything else" is perfectly fine since it is suspension enhancing, but good god don't touch the six cylinder or it is Pontiac blasphemy.

Why is it perfectly fine to take out a 327 to put a 502 in a Camaro, but don't touch my own damn car which I drove for 25 years with the six?

Wait until they (purists) see my new engine stand a.k.a. Pontiac hooked to blender.

Are they hypocritical? Very much so. Still a lot of great information/ideas/people on both pro-touring and performance years.

[68byrd]

I have to agree, PY has a ton of good info. I also don't mind transamcountry.com. Its mainly geared towards second gen birds but there is still a lot of good info to be had on Poncho engines there. I'm not a purist, but I do kringe a little when I see a Pontiac without a Pontiac engine. To each his own though. I'm not going to judge anyone for it.

[BanditDave]

I used to cringe when I didn't see a Poncho in a Poncho...the I got a '79 TA with a 403 and fell in love with those motors...had a few of those...the one in my '84 Cutlass drag car has run a best of 11.56 at 118.

BUT...after owning my '06 GTO for about a week I fell in love with the LS motor. After doing a lot of "stocky" or old school hop ups I decided to do an LS swap in my '78 TA and a ton of other upgrades suspension and brake wise. I do not regret it one bit. She will be out on the road in a few weeks when it dries up a bit but here's a little clip...sorry for my gheyness...three year project to the point in the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRgRLlSd74k

To each their own and the best of luck to you!!!

Thanks!
Dave

[67rstbkt]

I have to agree, PY has a ton of good info. I also don't mind transamcountry.com. Its mainly geared towards second gen birds but there is still a lot of good info to be had on Poncho engines there. I'm not a purist, but I do kringe a little when I see a Pontiac without a Pontiac engine. To each his own though. I'm not going to judge anyone for it.

But, I am sticking with Poncho power. My Firebird is an original 400 car and I'm planning to keep it that way. :wasntme:

[67rstbkt]

And you don't think you won't get lashed with a wet noodle repeatedly here (pro-touring) for putting in Non-Poncho parts?

My aftermarket "everything else" is perfectly fine since it is suspension enhancing, but good god don't touch the six cylinder or it is Pontiac blasphemy.

Why is it perfectly fine to take out a 327 to put a 502 in a Camaro, but don't touch my own damn car which I drove for 25 years with the six?

Wait until they (purists) see my new engine stand a.k.a. Pontiac hooked to blender.

Are they hypocritical? Very much so. Still a lot of great information/ideas/people on both pro-touring and performance years.

I'm just trying to keep the best stuff and add in what I think will work. At this point, I should just call my project recycled bird or something. I've got the poncho 400, a T56 out of a Viper, a ford 9 inch, and a set of seats out of an 2005 GTO on the way. How's that for a combo?? :enguard:

[dlrepmn]

I for one am jealous. A winning combo for sure.

As long as you have fun right? Exactly my point. Why sweat it? As long as you enjoy it, who cares what anybody else says or where it came from. Does it run?

Luckily, I already had a bitch'n motor for another project just sitting there (we don't need to discuss the manufacturer). My 12 bolt is not 10 bolt BOP. I already gave that to a buddy for his numbers car. My 4 speed muncie shifter. On the wall as art next to the Hurst T-handle. Replaced by a Tremec TKO600. My seats are 2000 Firebird though. Does that give me extra credit?

Sorry to display my bitterness to the Purists since I too walked the path of the righteous one. As you can see my scars from the wet noodle run deep.

I gave pro-streeters of yore grief and sneers. "I have sinned oh Lord!"

Now I discovered Pro-Touring and committed to it. I just don't have the patience to hear others dis someone's baby. No matter what your style is, that man loves this car.

[Taman]

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance.com/
Try this one. I am also a Pontiac Zone member. Can't even see what could possibly be the problem. I haven't been there in a long time. I like this forum and PSP's.

[T_Raven]

I'm on Pontiac Zone also, weird they rejected you, but I also don't go on there much.

And as much as I love Pontiac engines I get sick of the "purists". A small block in a Pontiac is dumb, but you can't beat an LS engine if you want a light and cheap fuel injected engine. I hope to someday build an all aluminum EFI Pontiac though...maybe someday lol.

[Taman]

I agree. I do like to see a Pontiac engine in a Pontiac but, You can't beat the LS engines. I would never put a different engine in a SD TA or a RA IV GTO but, a 75 400 auto TA. Why not.One can make 600 hp and still pull down 25 mpg. The only way I can get 25 mpg out of my 600 Pontiac, after 10 miles I would have to shut it off and push it 15 miles. My next engine will be a Schwartz worked LS 3 and a 6 speed.

[67rstbkt]

I for one am jealous. A winning combo for sure.

As long as you have fun right? Exactly my point. Why sweat it? As long as you enjoy it, who cares what anybody else says or where it came from. Does it run?

Luckily, I already had a bitch'n motor for another project just sitting there (we don't need to discuss the manufacturer). My 12 bolt is not 10 bolt BOP. I already gave that to a buddy for his numbers car. My 4 speed muncie shifter. On the wall as art next to the Hurst T-handle. Replaced by a Tremec TKO600. My seats are 2000 Firebird though. Does that give me extra credit?

Sorry to display my bitterness to the Purists since I too walked the path of the righteous one. As you can see my scars from the wet noodle run deep.

I gave pro-streeters of yore grief and sneers. "I have sinned oh Lord!"

Now I discovered Pro-Touring and committed to it. I just don't have the patience to hear others dis someone's baby. No matter what your style is, that man loves this car.


You're right, I am having fun. I don't really care that much, I just thought it was interesting that I am a reject :1st:

[67rstbkt]

http://www.pontiacstreetperformance.com/
Try this one. I am also a Pontiac Zone member. Can't even see what could possibly be the problem. I haven't been there in a long time. I like this forum and PSP's.

Thanks for the link; looks like I'll get some good info.