From 2005 Subaru STi ----> 67 Camaro. Northern CA

[dlouie87]

Hello members!

I've been on this site for around a month now... and WOW, I've learned a lot. Like the title said, I came from a 05 subaru STi. It was sponsored and was a fun car to drive. But then all the contracts and obligations with sponsorships became a PITA. Most of the subaru was carbon fiber (trunk, diffuser, fenders, etc) or had a one off part from japan. It made 335 hp to the wheels and 361ft/lbs on a AWD mustang dyno. Also had 2 magazine articles ( http://www.pasmag.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1116&Itemid=105 )

My old build thread:
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gd-members-journals/51719-dlouie87-need-help-some-wheels-advan-rs-d-camaro.html

So I got this 67 camaro as project car. I know it won't handle like my subaru but I wanted something with some history and I can't go wrong with a 1st gen camaro.

The plan for the camaro is to make a pro-touring machine that I can take to autocross and it'll be my daily driver!

Happy New Years everyone :cheers:



-Dan

The subaru proof from one of the magazines:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/r3339-1.jpg

The camaro:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0605-1.jpg
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[Nessumsar]

Looks like you have a really nice starting point on the Camaro. Paint looks really clean.

What do you have planned? That Camaro might surprise you when its done!

[dlouie87]

Looks like you have a really nice starting point on the Camaro. Paint looks really clean.

What do you have planned? That Camaro might surprise you when its done!

I have a ls1 with 4l60e going in there. The wiring needs a little more tweaking to get everything running. Looking for some wheels still. Either going with brushed or matte black centers.

Just trying to take it step by step. I'm polishing up all the window trim today and spraying the trunk black today too.

-Dan

(Mods: should this be in the build thread?)

[ponchopwr70]

Wow I always liked the wrx's very nice. Theres something about american muscle that you can't have with an import. Nice cars welcome to the site.

[LONE*STAR]

Look up bad penny I bet that car would out handle an STI or Evo hands down. I cant wait to see how your build goes, looks like you have a lot to bring to the table.

[PhillipM]

Look up bad penny I bet that car would out handle an STI or Evo hands down.

I'm not sure that is really a fair statement. Are you expecting the STI/EVO to be completely stock? And in that case, that wouldn't be much of a race. I'm all over racing vintage iron... it's a lot of fun. But I have been there when properly prepared STI/EVO's are there, and they can be seriously quick around the track.

I just don't like blanket statmentes like these.


Okay, back to the regularly scheduled programming.

[dlouie87]

Look up bad penny I bet that car would out handle an STI or Evo hands down. I cant wait to see how your build goes, looks like you have a lot to bring to the table.


I'm not sure that is really a fair statement. Are you expecting the STI/EVO to be completely stock? And in that case, that wouldn't be much of a race. I'm all over racing vintage iron... it's a lot of fun. But I have been there when properly prepared STI/EVO's are there, and they can be seriously quick around the track.

I just don't like blanket statmentes like these.


Okay, back to the regularly scheduled programming.

I agree. Bad penny is one amazing looking/performing car. Actually if it wasn't for that car getting featured on SPEEDHUNTERS.com ( http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008/06/19/random-snap-gt-gt-introducing-bad-penny.aspx ), I dont think I would be here with my 67. Thanks Steve!!!

That car was the first to give me inspiration to go forth with buying a camaro.

In other words... yes, Bad penny will give a stock sti/evo a run but there are A LOT of modified evos and sti that I seen and rode in that are UBERLY fast (like keeping up or out running modified 430/gt2s/gt3s/zo6/etc). You name it I've seen these some AWD monster beat it. But then again, it also rely on the driver too. I know that I won't be able to drive/race the penny like the Mary Pozzi would drive it. I just don't have the experience.

But with that said, I'm building this 67 with no intentions to be a "race warrior" but with the intentions of just seeing how I can make this project evolve. I'm young and I dont have 50k to just throw on these cars but I do know how to budget and possibly put something interesting and unique together. This car will be a challenge and I look forward to this forum and lateral-G to help out :twothumbs

-Dan

[George Manont]

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Hi Dan,


Muscle cars vs. AWD Sti...


No, there shouldn't be comparison. Rather , they should be in the same garage, complimenting each other !


Power - Sound - Exciting ... but both cars come from different routes !...and roots !



I'm sure you're familia with Ken Block's show...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7R_buZPSo




... and BAD PENNY ... THE car most of us are looking up to.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSlYfz0iwNU





All the very best to your project.....


From a fellow BLACK car..... just for cruisin'

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63626




Cheers,



GM.





I have to come back to post some more of Ken's....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v60CaKqE4Bo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJbDi1dKwE8&NR=1






..... BADDDDDDDD PENNY..........by Mary Pozzi ........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVb5UBoKsp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-ABSN0JxM&feature=PlayList&p=BDCAC12162ABE85D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7


....and here's Mary....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juCQ6Zl8f_k&feature=related




.

[dlouie87]

So heres some more pictures of the car's interior status.... and the parts that have came in:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0618-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

LS1 from a 02 camaro:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0599-1.jpg

Hooker headers and Ricks Narrowed tank

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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_06411-1.jpg

I also have some pre bent fuel lines and autokraft oil pan coming in.

-Dan

[John Wright]

Nice project!.....BTW, I'm sure the Subie was fun, but those lil 510's were fun lil cars too.

[Shiro666]

My two cars;

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0465-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Maestro, I say right on!

[sik68]

My two cars;

Maestro, I say right on!

Haha, DITTO!
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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0676-1.jpg

Good luck on your project, Dan! I'm subscribing since I am always excited to see a fellow young guy with a 1st gen Camaro! Judging by the length of your thread with your STI, it looks like you have the commitment to follow through, which is the ONLY thing required to eventually complete the project. If we can make it happen, I'd like to meet you and give you a ride in my car sometime...ever in Sacramento?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Subaru for handling and all.. but to all of you with the DITTOS.. your CAMAROs are just unfucswhittable for style..

[sik68]

Subaru for handling and all.. but to all of you with the DITTOS.. your CAMAROs are just unfucswhittable for style..

Just to clear the air, the WRX has terrible steering feedback, is incredibly underdamped, and understeers like a labrador on linoleum. I really despise its default dynamics. My Camaro :machine: my WRX all day long.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

and i (heart) yours too.. especially the fact its being built under a tarp.

[dlouie87]

Good luck on your project, Dan! I'm subscribing since I am always excited to see a fellow young guy with a 1st gen Camaro! Judging by the length of your thread with your STI, it looks like you have the commitment to follow through, which is the ONLY thing required to eventually complete the project. If we can make it happen, I'd like to meet you and give you a ride in my car sometime...ever in Sacramento?


Nice project!.....BTW, I'm sure the Subie was fun, but those lil 510's were fun lil cars too.

Yeah, both cars were very fun. My was a great corner carver but the looks/stance of some of the camaros on this site are just immaculate. With the right wheels and suspension, these classic cars can look so mean. So lets see where this project takes me. I'm not a big metal fabricator so I dont think I can do much to the body :(.

-Dan

[LONE*STAR]

one of the funnest confidence inspiring cars I have driven was a 08 or 09 EVO with a few thousand in suspension and other mods, all I'm saying is don't let the false logic fool you into thinking that these cars can ride on rails with the proper tuning, the problem is for 40 years no one in the mainstream has been building these cars for handling safety and over all performance, it always just been for 1/4 mile time. The import scene is a large part of why I am a even a member here and why I am inspired to make my car handle.

[Banks68]

Looks like a great start--also great investment if done correct. gb

[armourmark]

You kids and your scooby-doos!!
I like your grounded plan for the camaro. Your ideas represent a lot of people here on the forum and I look forward to following the build. Good luck and keep the updates coming!!

[dlouie87]

The autokraft pan is on the engine... The quality is AMAZING!

also the motor polyurethane mounts and plates are on as well as the hooker headers.

Keith smith (http://www.customworksproducts.com/) also got a IROC steering box in to replace the factory one.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0640-1.jpg
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-Dan

[CruizinKev]

sweet! :twothumbs

[dlouie87]

sweet! :twothumbs

Thanks.

Afco Radiator, flex-a-lite fan, tube tech fuel lines, painless wiring car harness were ordered a while back.

[sebtarta]

NICE! I also came from a 05 STi to a 72 Nova.

Same user on iwsti.

Have my 06 2.5i wagon as my DD and the nova for weekends.

[dlouie87]

NICE! I also came from a 05 STi to a 72 Nova.

Same user on iwsti.

Have my 06 2.5i wagon as my DD and the nova for weekends.

Yup. I'm the same user.... similar hobby. Different Cars.

-Dan

[dlouie87]

Fuel line and tank:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0654-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/IMG_0658-2.jpg

[monteboy84]

Great project, can't wait to see where you go with it.

[dlouie87]

thanks monte, Just got the hood back on and the glass is in.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/IMG_0663-2.jpg

[nor_cal_67rs]

Looks sweet!!! Hey I live in Chico too. Hit me up if ya ever need an extra hand...I'm in the process of pro-touring my 67 Camaro rs

[dlouie87]

pm me your #. I'm always in need for opinions and help with these cars. It's all new to me....so each step is slow because it's a learning process.

What are your build plans?

-Dan

[nor_cal_67rs]

pm me your #. I'm always in need for opinions and help with these cars. It's all new to me....so each step is slow because it's a learning process.

What are your build plans?

-Dan

I tried to send you a PM but my mailbox shows that it didn't go through so I"ll just post here instead lol as far my my plans I have my Camaro on a rotisserie at my brother's and all of the sheet metal I ordered from BellAirBob's is slated to get delivered to me on Monday:firefire:April 5th whoohoooo!!! I have already seam welded the stock subframe painted it gloss black and have global west solid aluminum bushings to install once I have the rear bodywork done...I have the ATS AFX tall spindle, corvette C6 calipers, tubular control arms, and will either do the 3rd gen steering box swap or get an AGR unit...as far as the powerplant most likley an LS1 with a 6 speed...you should take a look at http://www.camaros.net/forums/ if you havent already, there's more info on Camaro stuff there to...anyways my cell is (530) fiveonefour-six9six0 give me a call


Edit: I forgot to ask if you had to notch your subframe for the alternator to clear?

Nevin

[1971CHEVELLE]

very nice

[dlouie87]

I tried to send you a PM but my mailbox shows that it didn't go through so I"ll just post here instead lol as far my my plans I have my Camaro on a rotisserie at my brother's and all of the sheet metal I ordered from BellAirBob's is slated to get delivered to me on Monday:firefire:April 5th whoohoooo!!! I have already seam welded the stock subframe painted it gloss black and have global west solid aluminum bushings to install once I have the rear bodywork done...I have the ATS AFX tall spindle, corvette C6 calipers, tubular control arms, and will either do the 3rd gen steering box swap or get an AGR unit...as far as the powerplant most likley an LS1 with a 6 speed...you should take a look at http://www.camaros.net/forums/ if you havent already, there's more info on Camaro stuff there to...anyways my cell is (530) fiveonefour-six9six0 give me a call


Edit: I forgot to ask if you had to notch your subframe for the alternator to clear?

Nevin

hey Nevin,

sorry for the late reply. Yeah I had to notch the subframe for the Ac compressor and the alternator to clear. I'm saving up for wheels and brakes right now.

btw, do you know anyone in this area with a 12 bolt?

-Dan

[nor_cal_67rs]

If your looking for corvette c5 calipers I have a set of four for sale...

[dlouie87]

If your looking for corvette c5 calipers I have a set of four for sale...

I might be. what do I need to do to make those fit?

[nor_cal_67rs]

I might be. what do I need to do to make those fit?

Here's a great write-up that Pete68 did on a C5 brake swap... https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61780

Check out Kore3 for brackets/hubs http://www.kore3.com/categories.php (http://www.kore3.com/categories.php)

Of course I saved the best for last...

Check out http://www.pozziracing.com/ (http://www.pozziracing.com/) for an encyclopedia of knowledge on brake and suspension modifications for Camaro's. There's also road racing and info on building tools/jigs...way to much to list here lol...

[RS_Customs]

The sti's have such a unique sound when you build them! I'd love to build one sometime for Gymkhana style driving:headbang:.

Good choice on the motor for the camaro, can't go wrong!

Robert

[Tig]

Nice build.
Nice STi to.
I had an 05 Impreza RS, its no STi but it was a fun car.

[youngdeezy]

nice cars man this should be good!

[dlouie87]

Thanks guys. The STi was a extremely fun car to drive. It just got profiled too much by the cops. I'm only 22 so that makes it worst...

I tracked it a couple times and I got it to run 12.1s consistantly. I think with a better driver it could of broke 11s with c16.

As for the camaro... EVERYTHING IS SOOOO NEW to me. But I'm learning slowly. It's not going to be used as a race car but I want it build right and with some modern technology.


I'll get more update later. I just did the inside in deadner and painted/relocated the battery to the trunk
-Dan

[dlouie87]

Well... I struck a crazy deal on some Wilwood SL6r for the front brakes. About to decide on the VA system from frank later this week.

But can someone enlighten me on spindles? Do I or would I need to get drop spindles or tall spindles?

or just enlighten me on spindles period.

-Dan

[sebtarta]

If you can fork the $$$ get the ATS spindles.

From what I read the 2" drop spindles are a nono for auto-x and track.
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16609

[dlouie87]

school is over and I finally have time to work on the car over the summer.

some parts already came in and I'm waiting to place an order on wheels.... 5 months later and I still can't decide.


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[Nessumsar]

I wouldn't mind having that pile of stuff on my bench! yummy

Now get it on the car!

[dipren443]

Well... I struck a crazy deal on some Wilwood SL6r for the front brakes. About to decide on the VA system from frank later this week.

But can someone enlighten me on spindles? Do I or would I need to get drop spindles or tall spindles?

or just enlighten me on spindles period.

-Dan

As an alternative to the tall spindles, you can perform the Guldstrand mod or do tall upper ball joints. I would recommend doing one of the three. Spend some time reading the stickies in the suspension forum... Lots of good info in there. But yes, I would recommend doing one of the three (G-mod, Tall UBJ, or tall spindle). And just say no to drop spindles.

[dlouie87]

As an alternative to the tall spindles, you can perform the Guldstrand mod or do tall upper ball joints. I would recommend doing one of the three. Spend some time reading the stickies in the suspension forum... Lots of good info in there. But yes, I would recommend doing one of the three (G-mod, Tall UBJ, or tall spindle). And just say no to drop spindles.

I might just get tall spindles or save for the ATS spindle. I'm too scared to mess up on the drilling with the Guldstrand mod.


I wouldn't mind having that pile of stuff on my bench! yummy

Now get it on the car!


I need wheels first, the rollers on the cars won't fit the brakes.

so I'm trying to decide on some wheels. (hardest decision ever)

[Gitter Dun]

Late to this thread but sweet car and welcome aboard neighbor!!

[ModernMuseum]

fellow subaru/first gen owner checking in:

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68672

[dlouie87]

fellow subaru/first gen owner checking in:

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68672

Nice bug eye'd! and the black bird looks really good!


Late to this thread but sweet car and welcome aboard neighbor!!

Thanks! you are like a hour from me right? right outside of sacramento?

[Gitter Dun]

Nice bug eye'd! and the black bird looks really good!



Thanks! you are like a hour from me right? right outside of sacramento?

Yup, right above Folsom. We'll have to schedule a Nor Cal cruise when your done.

[dlouie87]

Yup, right above Folsom. We'll have to schedule a Nor Cal cruise when your done.

i'm a in dilemma right now... I might need to sell the car so i can get a car for grad school :(

what do you think it's worth.... it's just a thought... idk yet.

[sik68]

Crazy talk...life doesn't get any simpler than where you're at right now. If you sell it now, it will be 5x harder to re-enter the hobby later on. A daily driver can be had for cheap. If you're really desperate, sell some of the nice parts you bought. Its better to lose money on parts than let go of the hobby all together. There's way too many stories of guys I talk to who say "man I wish I would have never sold that car."


3 months of summer work ahead of you to save for a car...Do you really even need a vehicle for grad school?

[Gitter Dun]

Crazy talk...life doesn't get any simpler than where you're at right now. If you sell it now, it will be 5x harder to re-enter the hobby later on. A daily driver can be had for cheap. If you're really desperate, sell some of the nice parts you bought. Its better to lose money on parts than let go of the hobby all together. There's way too many stories of guys I talk to who say "man I wish I would have never sold that car."


3 months of summer work ahead of you to save for a car...Do you really even need a vehicle for grad school?


I agree, dont sell it, you'll only regret it later.

[dlouie87]

I agree, dont sell it, you'll only regret it later.

I know... there's only a couple more things to get this on the road. Wheels, rear end, and gauges.

But I'm just wondering if i "want" the luxury of power windows, power locks, etc.

[Gitter Dun]

I know... there's only a couple more things to get this on the road. Wheels, rear end, and gauges.

But I'm just wondering if i "want" the luxury of power windows, power locks, etc.

Negative, Save your money and do that when school is over. Stick to the necessaties for now.

I am a track junky so anything that adds weight is out for me. I just installed aluminum front clip and aluminum block 427. Think car is about 3050 lbs bout now.

[dlouie87]

Negative, Save your money and do that when school is over. Stick to the necessaties for now.

I am a track junky so anything that adds weight is out for me. I just installed aluminum front clip and aluminum block 427. Think car is about 3050 lbs bout now.

the stock rollers won't fit the brakes, it has no gauges, and the rear end is blown.

so those are my necessities... and I dont have the funds to track my car. I was hoping to make this car my daily driver.

I'll wait and see... I'm just probably clustering my head with negative thoughts right now. Maybe I'll put a feeler for 20k-22k?

I dont know how much to feel this out for.

[Gitter Dun]

I seen a post recently on some nice looking wheels that would go real well with you color scheme, bout $160.00 a pop, and think it mentioned back spacing up to 5 1/2" and sizes to 17x9.5. I'll try and find it. Pick up new posi unit, I use Eaton, so far so good with lots of track time. In expensive gauges and your good to go.

Whatta ya think, nother $2000 to finish?

Should be decent daily driver.

everybody that sells almost always regrets it later. I've had many offers over the past 15 years, Donald trump couldn't buy this car and thats the truth!!!

[Gitter Dun]

Summit Legend 5 wheels - anybody using them?
Wow, good looking and super cheap - $135/ea! They even have tons of backspacing on their 17x8 (5.25"), just what I need for the rear. The front I'd be running a 17x8, 4.5" BS. 245/45 Nitto 555 tires on all 4 corners.

Anybody running them on their ride that wants to admit it? I've come to the conclusion that high dollar wheels are not an option for me in the near future.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/sum1417861em19_w-1.jpg

[dlouie87]

Summit Legend 5 wheels - anybody using them?
Wow, good looking and super cheap - $135/ea! They even have tons of backspacing on their 17x8 (5.25"), just what I need for the rear. The front I'd be running a 17x8, 4.5" BS. 245/45 Nitto 555 tires on all 4 corners.

Anybody running them on their ride that wants to admit it? I've come to the conclusion that high dollar wheels are not an option for me in the near future.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/sum1417861em19_w-1.jpg

would they clear with my brake set up? wilwood sl-6?

and you suggest I just rebuild the ten-bolt with 3.73 gears and posi? I've never taken a-part a rear end.

what gauges do you recommend with the ls1 motor? like dakota digital?

sorry about the questions... I'm just becoming flustered

[boostin05blacksti]

would they clear with my brake set up? wilwood sl-6?

and you suggest I just rebuild the ten-bolt with 3.73 gears and posi? I've never taken a-part a rear end.

what gauges do you recommend with the ls1 motor? like dakota digital?

sorry about the questions... I'm just becoming flustered

Dude dont give up now..I hear you trust me. I sold a car that I build with my friends for a ring. I kinda regret it. I can build another but that was my car. I have cragar s/s in 17's and I believe they will fit the 6piston wilwood..I have the same set and just finished putting them together..just have to run a test fit with it all together. I did a dry fit with no caliper and there was plenty of room. Should be fine. I believe that wilwood say that you need a minimum of 16" ..I would look into these...cheap, decent looking and should clear..

http://www.jegs.com/i/Cragar/260/3428850/10002/-1?parentProductId=751048

if those will not work just search the classifieds there is always good stuff popping up...just keep your eyes open on here, lateral-g.net, ls1tech.com..or even ebay. Stick with it. It will be worth it.:)

[1BAGTO]

Don't sell the car! Sell yourself, not the car!

[Gitter Dun]

would they clear with my brake set up? wilwood sl-6?

and you suggest I just rebuild the ten-bolt with 3.73 gears and posi? I've never taken a-part a rear end.

what gauges do you recommend with the ls1 motor? like dakota digital?

sorry about the questions... I'm just becoming flustered

They seem similar in design to the Torque Thrust's and in 17" should clear but I would call manufacturer and ask first.

As far as gauges go, get the least expensive for now just to get you by.

Same for rear end, find least expensive option to get you by. You might even find another 10 bolt for a couple hundred bucks.

MAIN OBJECTIVE: KEEP CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

[montessaj]

WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?!?! Don't sell this thing!

[dlouie87]

I'm trying so hard not to sell the car. But i have a 2 month deadline to get it out of the garage.

are there ways to make these cars harder to steal just incase I have to park it outside? power locks? power window? hood pin locks? fuel shut off? (a PM here would be better).

I'm asking around to see if those wheels would work and I'm looking around to find some 18's.

as for rear ends. I should just find someone to rebuild this 10 bolt with posi and 3.73 gear. but I still need to switch it to multi-leafs.

if you hear anyone with any used parts.... let me know.

Thanks,

Dan

[dlouie87]

ok.

I might see some light in this dark tunnel.

Talk to jason rushforth and he is going to help me out with some stuff if i can budget everything within the next day or two.

as for the gauges. I might go with these http://www.newvintageusa.com/2020series.html

or see if frank at prodigy can hook it up with his rebate sale on autometers

now.... the rear stock ten bolt with no posi and unknown gears. Does anyone have a rear end with 3.73 gears and a posi or know how to rebuilt a 10 bolt in northern california (around yuba city area) for a good price? Ive never worked on a rear end before and don't want to screw it up.

and as for the interior, i'm just going to leave the column shift in there for now without dashpad/headliner/door panels.

I'm also in need of upgraded the suspension. any suggestion? drop springs? used uca?

But, since there was some light and no one has contacted me about the car... i thought I'd lay some sound deadner in today.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/IMG_0672-1.jpg

if you guys see any used parts... let me know. I'm very grateful to have people on this forum help me, a new member out.

-Dan

[bonecrrusher]

Whore out your sperm, blood, plasma..... you can make decent money....

[Gitter Dun]

Whore out your sperm, blood, plasma..... you can make decent money....

Just dont sell your soul, lol

[dlouie87]

Whore out your sperm, blood, plasma..... you can make decent money....

funniest comment i've seen all day

gitter dun - you got a pm

[boostin05blacksti]

pmed you dlouie..LMK

[dlouie87]

pmed you dlouie..LMK

pm replied.