65 mustang (k-model)

[Bryce]

I though I would share my other project. My dad ordered the car in May of 1964 and got it in October he has owned it since. He raced it back in the day at the strip and at some SCCA events. We are now really getting this set up for drag racing. i know not quite what this forum is used to seeing, but its a really nice car and thought I should share.

The motor (spare motor)is my original block and rotating assembly out of my falcon, only 50K original miles. We took the motor apart and cleaned it all up and reassemble with some other good parts. The race motor is on the stand a 319 cubic inch SBF 13:1 compression and 0.600" lift cam. We are running the spare motor to test everything out.

The car has no new holes drilled in it, this was to maintain the K-model value. The rear suspension is leaf springs with slapper bars. It has a moser aluminum center section with a 4.86 spool and 31 spline axles. The 265 DOT slicks fit very nicely in the back. The rear wheels are 8.5" centerline autodrags. The street wheels/tires are 14 american mags real magnesium wheels 14" x 7" with 245 tires on all four corners.

The front suspension is my current build/design effort. It will have a bolt in coilover system using stock control arms. Afco T2s with 225 springs will be purpose built for drag racing but the design will be compatible with cornering. It also has the TCP rack. This was the only way to clear the 1.75" headers. It has subframe connectors with a custom bolt in drive shaft loop.

More build info to come. Here are some pics.

The first picture is of my dad and I and our cars.

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[L & H Kustoms]

Bryce nice mustang it sounds like a fun project

[CruizinKev]

nice project :twothumbs

[Motown 454]

Sweet looking Cars.

[Bryce]

This has been my project this week. I designed and fabbed a Bolt in coilover system. Yes i designed it for drag but a different spring selection could make the car very capabable in the corners as well.
here are some pics.

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[Bryce]

a few more pics of the car

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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/12/tn_full_IMG_0577JPG_Thumbnail1-1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/479787)

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[Bryce]

Yes that is a carbon fiber hood.

[hivewax]

sweet. your MechEng skills are paying off tremendously.

[pimtina]

Nice! I'm diggin' both of those rides!

[windsor]

Awesome!

That is one super clean interior!!!

Got more info on the hood or is it a one-off custom?

[WS6]

ok so what's a K model? Car looks great.

[Fast68back]

K code was a HiPo 289, 271 horse. Same motor Shelby used in the GT350's. Could be special ordered in any mustang.

[Bryce]

sweet. your MechEng skills are paying off tremendously.


Yes it has. I work for an aerospace company and I have an awesome job, but my creativity still needs an outlet. So for the last year I have spent most of my free time studying, learning, pondering, designing and fabricating suspension systems. While aplying everything I learned in college to make it light and strong. I have built a few spring rate calculators and front suspension load calculator as well.

[Bryce]

Awesome!

That is one super clean interior!!!

Got more info on the hood or is it a one-off custom?

I have a guy here in san diego that built it for me. It was built using the year one mold from a few years back.

The dash is the center was designed to only use factory bolt holes. that is why you dont see any external fasteners.

[Bryce]

Nice! I'm diggin' both of those rides!

thanks man, your car is going to be really cool. hurry up and start building it!

[Bryce]

K code was a HiPo 289, 271 horse. Same motor Shelby used in the GT350's. Could be special ordered in any mustang.


Correct, also this car was order with heater and radio delete. This dropped a few pounds off the car and was beneficial as it raced in a stock class that did not allow removal of items unless it was factory.

The heater delete cost something like an extra $30. I will have to look at the original bill of sale to verify.

[LeighP]

Very nice....I like the design of that hood with the T-bolt bulge..nice!

[Bryce]

It was the only hood that would clear the carb and filter, well except for a 6" cowl and that would look a little silly.

[latamud]

Please don't get me wrong, it all looks nice and it will work. I like to do my own work too. I'm not a mechanical engineer but is the weight of the car being held up by the spring perch mounting bolts? I see flaw in this, if the nuts let go or the bolts snap the coilover will drop onto the upper control arm. These bolts are now load bearing. The original design from Ford has the perch placed on top of the control arm. Granted both designs, yours and Fords, the load is still being carried by the upper control arm mounting bolts. BUT, in your design I believe the weakest link will be those perch mounting bolts.

I see the plus side of this mod, adjustable shocks, but these could have been incorporated into the stock setup and been just as effective. Another plus, adjustable ride height with the coilovers, but how often do we adjust ride height once it's set?

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see any handling improvements over an upgraded stock setup, heavier springs and Koni shocks with roller perches. My 2 cents.

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[Bryce]

i see all your points. For my design i did not do the shelby drop, becauase it was not neccessary for the use of the car. The stock mustang with shelby drop handles very well.

Yes the fasteners are load bearing, but the specs of the fasteners are 20 times the ultimate load they will see. So i am not worried about failure in the fasteners.

Other advantages are the weight reduction using this design. I will have weights tonight. I will be adjusting ride height frequently as this car will be drag and street. Also a tuning element in drag racing is the front ride height.

[pimtina]

thanks man, your car is going to be really cool. hurry up and start building it!
My project is well underway, but still a long way to go! I'll be posting up some pics soon! Thanks for the interest!

[Bryce]

So I got one side done sitting on the ground. It lowered 1.5" from where it was, so I will be raising it back up when I get the other side done.

The weight reduction is 9lbs per side.

[Bryce]

more pics with the dSLR i bought my wife for christmas.


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[windsor]

more pics with the dSLR i bought my wife for christmas.


Haha...good one.


Dude, you should market that system...seriously. Nice work!

[Bryce]

haha, she is the one that wanted it. I just use it now.

Thanks man. I think it is the best bolt in unit on the market that uses stock control arms.

[796spdbu]

Nice fab work

[Bryce]

Nice fab work

thanks man

[CruizinKev]

x2 very nice work! :twothumbs

[Bryce]

i got the aluminum driveshaft yesterday from inland empire. That was a great looking piece wow. Beautifully finished. We had it out of the box and installed within ten minutes. Haha. Only weighs 13lbs.

[Bryce]

Car is back on the road for about two weeks now. Street driving is great no issues. Now i need to get some time to take it to the strip and really test and tune.

[windsor]

So how about a little video?

[streetrod77]

Dude, you should market that system...seriously. Nice work![/QUOTE]

I 2nd this, I would love to have coilovers but I don't see where $900-$1300 for a kit should cost that much. I'm interested in this also or maybe just the brackets so it could be used with other coilovers like QA1's. Think about it for us Ford lovers, we don't have a lot of options. Thanks & keep up the great craftsmanship.

[The GMR]

hot dam,

looks good!

jason

[Bryce]

So how about a little video?

Keep in mind the mustang will be a drag car, but i will have video from my test and tune session in the next month.

This setup with stiffer springs and the shelby drop would be a great addition to street/autoX car "street-x" .

[windsor]

That's fine...my leaning is towards drag racing. My Falcon is going to have skinnies on the front ;)

[Bryce]

hopefully it will be at the track next month. I will get some video then!

[windsor]

next month is in 3 days ;)

[Bryce]

okay, one of the saturdays in feb!!!

[Bryce]

Okay, finally made it to the track.

The motor ran well and the chassis/suspension reacted as planned. But with 4.86 gears and a manual four speed the tires did not hook up at all.

It launched good then spun the tires 10 feet out. This was on drag radials and the new slicks are in the garage. So next time out we might have some traction!!

[windsor]

Ok, first off it's very uncool to not give us times..

Second, may not be getting enough flex from the front end if you're spinning after you hook. Have you checked the rebound? (The words are escaping me at the moment to describe what I'm trying to say...)

Third, that thing needs an auto...it's a drag car! :D

[Bryce]

fastest 1/8 mile was 8.70 at 82mph with a 1.94 60 foot.

I still need to spend some time dialing in the shock settings. I am happy with the springs rates. Its lifting the front end, not the tires off the ground. And it could

Its my dads baby, he wants to keep the toploader.

[windsor]

some CalTracs may help with that 60-ft.

Can understand not wanting to put an auto in, especially an original K-code car. But, picking up a .5 in the 1/8 and/or 1/4 may change his mind! ;) Beautiful car.

[Bryce]

yep, Its got slapper bars!

no new holes drilled in the car.

[Bjkadron]

COOL! I had not seen this thread! Nice!

[Bryce]

thanks man!

[Bryce]

finally some pics in action. Yep pulled the front wheels off the ground and this is with a 300 horsepower spare motor we built.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/05/tn_full_IMG_1093JPG_Thumbnail1-1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/515981)

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1.77 60' times
8.40 in the 1/8 mile.

[67 ls1 vert]

Hey Bryce... I know that place... Barona. I was there yesterday. Did you go to the antique races? I left kind of early. Nice looking car by the way. :)

[windsor]

wow, that thing HOOKS!

Running Caltracs?

[Bryce]

Yep, I was there yesterday with the mustang. Did you see it?

No caltracs. Im running slapper bars and some secret mods to the springs. But i really think its the trick front suspension i designed that really allows the weight transfer.

[Bryce]

working on a new rear suspension for this. Combined with the design work I have done to my falcon this will be a great multi usage setup. And will be a bolt in kit with minor mods to the chassis. I cant cut up a k-model too much HAHA.

[Bryce]

Some new Baer brakes are coming in this week, Thanks Frank at prodigy.

[Bjkadron]

Looking good! Is that little aluminum arm on the LCA a steering stop?

[Bryce]

Looking good! Is that little aluminum arm on the LCA a steering stop?

Yes it is, adustable too!

[Bjkadron]

Yes it is, adustable too!

I noticed. That is why I asked. Very cool!

[Bryce]

Thanks!!

[Bryce]

I guess I havent really been keeping this thread up to date. Lots of things are changing with this car.

Thanks to Jon at driverzinc I will have some new pieces coming in next week.

The SS4 brakes from baer (thanks again Frank) are awesome huge improvement, 100% better than the stock drums. ANd they fit inside the magnesium 14" wheels.

I am also going to be designing a new rear suspension. Yes I know its drag but its still cool!

[Rols574]

So any DIY for us ford guys?

[Bryce]

Rols574,

Anything specific you want to see? You might be interested in my falcon build thread as well.

I guess I need to post pictures of the rear suspension.

[Motown 454]

I love that teardrop hood, I guess it shows I'm old I remember when they first used them.

[droptop73]

Third, that thing needs an auto...it's a drag car! :D

Blasphemy a real racecar has 3 pedals!! :)

[Rols574]

Blasphemy a real racecar has 3 pedals!! :)

Indeed!

Bryce, you were pretty detailed I guess i was asking for measurements. I really dig your Watt's link design as well.

[Bryce]

I need to update this thread. The tri-4link is done with a speedway splined sway bar and AFCO double adjustable coilovers.

[Bryce]

The mustang weighed in at 2662 without driver, but with the 90lb heavier stock interior over the race interior.

[Bryce]

Here are pictures from last weekend. The car launches great at 6200rpm. Not bad for less than 300hp. Next time it will have the race motor.

Leaf spring launch:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/tn_full_tn_full_IMG_1093_modJPG_Thumbnai-1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/665267)

4-link launch:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/tn_full_Mustang_Feb_2012jpg_Thumbnail1-1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/665268)

[craigs73]

is the times any better with the shocks dialed in.....nice looking car

[Bryce]

is the times any better with the shocks dialed in.....nice looking car

About 2 tenths quicker but it was a really bad air day. It rained in the morning and the effective altitude was double that of the previous time we went out.

It launched much harder but just not enough horsepower.

[Bryce]

Race motor is in, I will post some pics and a sound clip once we start it up.

[windsor]

Lets hear/see about that triangulated 4-link! Love both of these cars.

[Z06killinSBF]

Any updates?

[85coupe50]

Awesome Bryce... I don't know how I missed this. What does this 4 link look like?

[stillridin]

:worship:Pics,pics,pics, and maybe a sound or two would be great!:worship: great build

[Bryce]

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The mustang walk around

[streetrod77]

Very nice sound and looks great too. I like the black wheels.

[Bryce]

Very nice sound and looks great too. I like the black wheels.

Those are the street wheels. And that is real magnesium.

[blade]

Nice! Sounds great, does it have a predator carb?

[Bryce]

Nice! Sounds great, does it have a predator carb?

sure does, I love that thing. I will be trying it out on the falcon later in the year.

[streetrod77]

Bryce, any more thoughts about a coilover kit or maybe the hardware?

[maxamil]

Subscribed!

[DartorDemon]

Those are the street wheels. And that is real magnesium.

Very nice! Those wheels look so good i may have to look into stepping back down to 15s. I'm really liking them all blacked out like that.

[Bryce]

Bryce, any more thoughts about a coilover kit or maybe the hardware?

Nope, I really dont want to deal with liabilities.


Subscribed!

Thanks!


Very nice! Those wheels look so good i may have to look into stepping back down to 15s. I'm really liking them all blacked out like that.

The wheels are oxidized magnesium. I really like them too.



Also we will be drag racing the mustang this March 24th at Barona.

[no go nova]

Any updates?

[Bryce]

Not really, Trying to race it as much as possible. Went out a few times this year.

The race motor is coming back out for a tear down inspection and we are doing some head work on the spare motor before it goes back in. We also ordered a new aluminum center section with a spool and 5.86 gears. Next time we run the mustang it will have the spare motor and the 5.86 gears. This should make a pretty big difference. We also did a few tricks to get the 4 speed to shift better. I now have a rev match for max RPM shifts.