should i sign up on corner-carvers

[Bryce]

I have heard they are a little rude, but i can take that. It seams like there would be some good advice and discussions over there. So for those of you who know my project, would it be worthwhile to join over there as well? Or would the project not be accepted?

[parsonsj]

Corner Carvers is a fine place to discuss a project like what you're doing.

You've got a leg up since you're building a Ford... much of the discussion there centers around Mustangs.

CC expects posts written in English, and they expect you to use the search function. Do that, and you'll be fine.

jp

[Damn True]

Whatever you do, don't kick things off with, "Hi I'm new here and this is my first post."

Read the rules, they aren't a suggestion. As JP said, search. Then search again before asking a question. Try to post in existing threads whenever possible.

Cars like ours are very well received there. Especially if things are well thought out and soundly designed and built.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

its like a fish being introduced in a fishbowl.. make sure you get used to the water... "in your own lil water bag" called the search function.

til youve become accustomed to the coldness of their water.


damn did i just write a Haiku or something.. ahhah

[Bryce]

thanks guys, That really helps.

[Twentyover]

Absolutely they are rude. And occasionally fuuny. They live in their own world, and are xenophobic about someone coming in who doesn't comply with how they want their forum run.

When Ron Schwarz first posted there, I thought they were going to throw him off. http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39639&highlight=muttstang As he showed his skill set, a number of early posters edited their initial responses as they warmed to him- although I'm still too new to know what the sea bass recipe means.

I guess the best way to describe is to say thay want only one thread for a topic- they even have a thread on searching for threads- and a low tolerance for spelling and gramatical errors. Not sure yet on the actual feelings regarding keyboard errors, although my gut feel is type it in word, get it right, than paste to the thread

[John Wright]

Absolutely they are rude. And occasionally fuuny. They live in their own world, and are xenophobic about someone coming in who doesn't comply with how they want their forum run.

When Ron Schwarz first posted there, I thought they were going to throw him off. http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39639&highlight=muttstang As he showed his skill set, a number of early posters edited their initial responses as they warmed to him- although I'm still too new to know what the sea bass recipe means.

I guess the best way to describe is to say thay want only one thread for a topic- they even have a thread on searching for threads- and a low tolerance for spelling and gramatical errors. Not sure yet on the actual feelings regarding keyboard errors, although my gut feel is type it in word, get it right, than paste to the thread
I read for a little while over in that thread...

Before they go busting someone's balls for spelling, I would suggest that they get a grip on the spell checker for themselves.
ie. http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=726023&postcount=10

Several glaring mis-spellings in this post where they suggest using the spell-checker....<---Too funny!




edit:
I should step back into this pile and clarify something, the mis-spellings that I saw were not actually mis-spelled(nothing that a spell checker would catch), but an incorrect useage for the particular spelling...ie "hay" should read "hey", "there" should read "their"...ect.

[JMarsa]

I signed up so I could see the pics. I hate forums like that - I'll probably never post.

I've been turned off by some of the rablings/giberish I've seen as responses to something they don't like.

--JMarsa

[Joey_H]

There's a lot of mean-spirited folks there that thrive on jumping on people for not using perfect grammar, punctuation, and syntax, not to mention topics that don't meet their lofty standards. And don't forget to spend five or six hours searching past posts before submitting a question. Hell no! You'll only get "klinked" or labeled a "sea bass", or some such nonsense. There's a wealth of knowledge there, I read C-C all the time but I stopped posting years ago after one of the regulars decided to make a mockery of one of my questions. The only place that's safe is the "For Sale" section.

[Twentyover]

OK, I think I started this so I think i need to say let's reign it in. CC is what it is. If you enjoy/like/stand/barely tolerate them, fine. If not, no need to spend time there.


Bryce- suggest you join and spend some time there before posting details of your car. They seem paticularly averse to new people saying Hi look at me and what I've done to my car until you've established a bit of cred, unlike this place where we want to see- show us the goods and we'll make a decision if you're a genius or a moron.

[Damn True]

Not to defend it, but to explain; The intent is pretty clear and it's spelled out in the forum rules. The desire is to keep the signal to noise ratio under control and the knowledge base as concise as possible.

When the problems occur is when someone feels that they somehow do not need to follow the rules or resist correction when when they are alerted to an accidental transgression. Everyone on CC.com, even the oldest members occasionally flubs. The difference is that the noobs sometimes attempt to convince the membership that they shouldn't want the board to be the way it is.

By example I'll x-post the following exchange. A bit of background. Noob shows up and makes a first post that violates every rule in the list of rules that he had to read in order to register. Noob is duly chastised but persists. Wondering why he can't express himself on this message board in exactly the way he chooses. Noob is reminded that the forum is a private entity and his membership exists at the pleasure of the owner and the community, he is further reminded that if he does not like the terms he is free to find another forum. Noob then challenges the "big meaniehead responses" wondering why people cannot be more civil in their responses. Noob does not like vulgarity and wants people to not use it in response to him. Noob essentially wants CC.com to adapt to him rather than the opposite (analogy for the decline of western civilization).

Noob finally receives the following explanation for why CC.com is the way it is. [vulgarity edited per PT.com rules]


Here's the thing about CC.com that keeps me coming back. There are some seriously smart m-f'rs here. All kinds of seriously smart m-f'rs. People with backgrounds in everything from Human Psychology to Economics, from Law to Medicine, from Computer Science to Politics, from Photography to the Entertainment Industry and Morgan knows a lot about Porn...you get the point. In fact, there are probably not one, but multiple folks here with expertise on darn near any subject you can imagine. Those folks are, by and large, impassioned professionals if not enthusiastically disgruntled with their avocations. They have opinions. Strong ones, based in years of experience both in practice and theory.

Take for instance the current discussion of the economic porkulous package. There are those who emphatically believe that it is, at this time, the right thing to do and can back that statement up with reams of supporting information. Equally, there are those who find it an abhorrent steaming pile of poo that may very well send our economy into ruin. Which side is right? F-me...I don't know. But I assure you that you will hear/read a far less watered down explanation on the topic here than you will on NPR or Fox. If you ask a valid question on the topic you'll get a reasoned answer. However, if you spout some horse-poo techless spew sourced from a recent email from your inbred cousin in Orlando you will reap no end of poo from both sides.

Which begs the question......Why? Simple. There is a time and a place here for shooting your mouth off and showing your arse if you are given to do so. I often am. Nobody will begrudge someone an impassioned rant based on how they feel. If someone says, "I don't care for politician X, I don't know why, but something about him just rubs me the wrong way and I don't trust him." it's no big deal and equally nobody will begrudge someone an opinion on a matter of taste unless you really like Coldplay. That crap is just f-ing horrible.

But, just as there is a time for opinion there is equally a time and place for thoughtful, reasoned and often passionate debate. That debate may include the occasional expletive simply because, the statement, "You are full of poo, you pi$$-drunk whoremonger." sometimes makes a point and demonstrates the posters passionate disagreement more effectively and impactfully than, "Why David, I find your position on this matter to be incorrect." ever could.

What you'll find though if you elect to hang out a while is that even when there is vehement and apparently vitriolic disagreement between two people there is respect. You'll find two people going for the throat in a debate over gun rights and helping each other figure out an electrical glitch elsewhere on the site on the same day.

That is the way it is here. Some people dig it. Others do not. That's fine. It ain't for everybody. Hell, it ain't for but a small percentage of the populace as a whole. Really f-ing small........and that's just fine.

[Bryce]

well i registered and read their rules. I will lurk for awhile as i use the search function. but i believe it will be another great resource for information just like pro-touring.com.

Thank you all for your input.

[Bad Bird]

CC.com is without a doubt the best forum on the internet. The tech threshold is high and the tolerance is low.

Advice - use the site as a textbook.

[68Formula]

So, basically you have a forum full of these guys...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
No Soup for You!

[Damn True]

So, basically you have a forum full of these guys...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
No Soup for You!

In some ways, yes.
And the members like it that way.

[6'9"Witha69]

I have never posted. I only search and read. A LOT of Ford and Stang, so not as much info for me as there is here, but the safety, racing and other tech areas can be very useful.

As awas said above, search, treat it as a textbook for a while, and you'll be fine.

As for the attitudes, think of it like this. Take the local car club. One that hangs out in the same place every night. They always have something on their mind and are always talking. Now walk up and introduce yourself and try to hang out, interjecting your own opinions and starting arguements. Tell them that this place is OK, but they would be better off assembling at another location. How would that fly? You have no cred. and are a noob. Would you do that in real life? Question an entire group and what they do from the beginning. A LOT of people take the removed feeling of the internet too far, acting way more out of character than they normally would.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/2317226149_070c69996f-1.jpg

[Payton King]

That post that True put up above is a hoot.

[Ron L]

Bryce, there's a ton of info there on early Mustang/Falcon suspension. Search around a lot, you'll be very satisfied. If all you know about aftermarket suspension is what the magazines and SEMA tell you about you'll be very surprised. There are things I didn't even know existed for our cars that offer more performance and for much less $ to boot. If you want, just follow and BS along General Discussion to warm up to the locals. Nothing like your first post on your first week asking a question that was already answered a few posts below you. You know, like some other places.:hmm:

[ZuperZport]

Good site for researching tech data above your "pay-grade".

However, unless you have a PhD in communications, spare the embarrasment of posting unless the subject content is "bullet-proof"

or you may get this response:

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[motorheadmike]

If you suffer from verbal diarrhea, then no.

Example:
Join Date
04-13-05
Total Posts
21

If your question/answer/idea doesn't REALLY count for something... keep it to yourself.

The only place I read more and post less than on C-C.com is on Speedtalk.com.

[68Formula]

So if you're from another country, and you want to contribute, should you write in your native tongue? Otherwise you risk being ridiculed for poor spelling and grammer.

Having been on the other side, I can tell that even when people are understanding of your situation, it can be intimidating to attempt to speak a foreign tongue. I'm certainly glad I was never chastised for trying.

[Damn True]

So if you're from another country, and you want to contribute, should you write in your native tongue? Otherwise you risk being ridiculed for poor spelling and grammer.

Having been on the other side, I can tell that even when people are understanding of your situation, it can be intimidating to attempt to speak a foreign tongue. I'm certainly glad I was never chastised for trying.

There are a number of ESL members at CC.com. They are known to the membership and the membership recognizes, appreciates and understands the effort taken to communicate in the language spoken there. They take the time to write their posts and run them through MS-word to spell/grammar check them at least as well as word is capable of.

A shame such effort is not more common.

[dhutton]

There are a number of ESL members at CC.com. They are known to the membership and the membership recognizes, appreciates and understands the effort taken to communicate in the language spoken there. They take the time to write their posts abd run them through MS-word to spell/grammar check them at least as well as word is capable of.

A shame such effort is not more common.

True, is that a typo? LOL.

[Damn True]

Yup. I fat-fingered a "b" instead of an "n".

Thanks for the catch.

[Ron L]

There are a number of ESL members at CC.com. They are known to the membership and the membership recognizes, appreciates and understands the effort taken to communicate in the language spoken there. They take the time to write their posts abd run them through MS-word to spell/grammar check them at least as well as word is capable of. This appears to hold true on many other forums. Seems like the non-native English speakers put in more effort in their posts than the ones who only speak English.

Abd?:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHOgkDbVqc

[Mean 69]

This appears to hold true on many other forums. Seems like the non-native English speakers put in more effort in their posts than the ones who only speak English.


Yes, indeed, I would have to agree with that. It is in fact, one of the reasons that I love CC, people there actually "care" about grammar and spelling, other like-minded individuals can appreciate that.

Also, it is a far more fact based forum, with data to back up, than it is "feeling" based. Many people make most decisions based upon feeling, but many of us don't.

Mark

[MonzaRacer]

Well as one person told me, smart-a$$ M-Fers, or not, "supposedly" super talented, intelligent people that decide to be A-holes, do not follow in my circle because I tend to be down to earth, anything thats hot rodded is cool, zen philosophy.
Too into them selves/their site if they are going to "rip a guy" rather than simply inform him nicely that he needs to slow down and take some time.
Been into several Sportster sites that were even worse, I just left, regardless of the information needed.
I can find it else where or I'll live without it.
Just my observation, regardless of the quality of information, if too many perfectionists try to make something more than it should be, well, sometimes THEY miss out on forwarding a way of hot rodding to others and disseminating good information.

[Damn True]

Here is Mel Gibson with a beaver puppet.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[shortrack]

I checked it out....

the good......some real good hard core race/track day tech worth sticking around for.....

the bad......this preoccupation with spelling and grammar ON A CAR RACING SITE has GAY written all over it!! .....so GAY....if it was a hair highlighting site that would be different......do they all have sailboats too?

yeah take your car down to your garage or dealership to get some work done on it then go running into the back crying..... "OMG fellas the sentence structure on this work order is incorrect and you didn't spell "spherical" correctly.......!!!" there'd be a line up guys pizzing in your gas tank.....hopefully

they go on and on about not wasting "precious bandwidth" with repeat threads but then they rip a guy for two pages over spelling with repetitive gay fish recipies.....hello!....recipies on a car site......hmmmmmmmm....GAY!

but then they have a rule banning the term "Stang" instead of Mustang....I would assume that would also include not using "vert", "Maro", "Velle".....etc....something that drives me nuts on here.....good rule

[slowcamaro]

I checked it out....

the good......some real good hard core race/track day tech worth sticking around for.....

the bad......this preoccupation with spelling and grammar ON A CAR RACING SITE has GAY written all over it!! .....so GAY....if it was a hair highlighting site that would be different......do they all have sailboats too?

yeah take your car down to your garage or dealership to get some work done on it then go running into the back crying..... "OMG fellas the sentence structure on this work order is incorrect and you didn't spell "spherical" correctly.......!!!" there'd be a line up guys pizzing in your gas tank.....hopefully

they go on and on about not wasting "precious bandwidth" with repeat threads but then they rip a guy for two pages over spelling with repetitive gay fish recipies.....hello!....recipies on a car site......hmmmmmmmm....GAY!

but then they have a rule banning the term "Stang" instead of Mustang....I would assume that would also include not using "vert", "Maro", "Velle".....etc....something that drives me nuts on here.....good rule

You really need to get a grasp on the proper use and application of the "ellipse".

[Damn True]

I checked it out....

the good......some real good hard core race/track day tech worth sticking around for.....

the bad......this preoccupation with spelling and grammar ON A CAR RACING SITE has GAY written all over it!! .....so GAY....if it was a hair highlighting site that would be different......do they all have sailboats too?

yeah take your car down to your garage or dealership to get some work done on it then go running into the back crying..... "OMG fellas the sentence structure on this work order is incorrect and you didn't spell "spherical" correctly.......!!!" there'd be a line up guys pizzing in your gas tank.....hopefully

they go on and on about not wasting "precious bandwidth" with repeat threads but then they rip a guy for two pages over spelling with repetitive gay fish recipies.....hello!....recipies on a car site......hmmmmmmmm....GAY!

but then they have a rule banning the term "Stang" instead of Mustang....I would assume that would also include not using "vert", "Maro", "Velle".....etc....something that drives me nuts on here.....good rule

The internet has a myriad of other message boards. I encourage you to find one that doesn't offend your sensibilities so.

[novanutcase]

I love how quickly the CC soldiers love to point out how beautifully crafted their world is but the moment the bubble is burst with any sort of civility or reason they get their panties in a bunch and ask the naysayer to leave their little slice of heaven.

The fact that they hide their "tender sensibilities" behind a barrage of non-sensical name calling(Asshat? Merriam-Webster doesn't seem to have that listed as a real word!) just reinforces my understanding of the wealth of knowledge they possess in regards to the technical aspects of "corner carving" but how little they know of being a human being!

A very wise woman(Yes, even women occasionally come up with some nuggets of wisdom!) once defined this for me in very clean little package.

Little **** Syndrome!

Monza, Shortrack? I couldn't agree more!

Now....this is not pointed at all CC members since many are very helpful AND civil. Unfortunately, on more occasions than not, mob mentality seems to be the accepted mode of conduct when one of these infractions have been forded and it seems to suck in even those that would, on there own, be a bit more tolerant. Also, I have seen actual random acts of kindness, although rare, on the site when someone pops the wrong question so I'm also going to state that their are incidences where the big green monster of ignorance doesn't rear it's ugly head and guess what? The sun still rises...........

John

[Damn True]

I love amateur psychologists.

It's interesting that once a year or so the subject of CC.com comes up on this board and though there is some x-membership there is a larger group of people (often the same people) who froth at the mouth at the mere mention of it. Ready with foaming rants about how awful it is combined with no shortage of analysis of the psyche of those who are members. And their complaint is the "mob mentality" and "intolerance of others". Interesting isn't it?

It's a bit like sitting across the table from a vegetarian, or a person with a diametrically opposed political viewpoint who is incapable of rationalizing in their mind why someone might have tastes different from their own and considers that person somehow less enlightened than themselves by virtue of said difference.

I don't like brussels sprouts. I really don't care if you do or not. If you do I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to try to change your mind. Neither am I going to attempt to dissuade you from trying them if you have never experienced them.

See what I mean?

[dipren443]

I love amateur psychologists.

True,

For what its worth... You have to understand and respect that some are not willing to put up with the BS that surrounds becoming a member over at corner carvers.

I cant even register over there because I use a web based email addy...

Yes, I am sure there are a lot of useful, helpful, and contributing members there. The bad apples are what that site is known for. You can have a high S/N ratio without completely emasculating every new member. I think pro touring does a fine job to be honest.

[Damn True]

True,

For what its worth... You have to understand and respect that some are not willing to put up with the BS that surrounds becoming a member over at corner carvers.

I cant even register over there because I use a web based email addy...

Yes, I am sure there are a lot of useful, helpful, and contributing members there. The bad apples are what that site is known for. You can have a high S/N ratio without completely emasculating every new member. I think pro touring does a fine job to be honest.

All valid points.

The reason for the web based email restriction is simple. CC.com has essentially two moderators. Neither of them has time to monitor registrations for bots and spammers. You don't see bots and spammers much here because Derek monitors new registrations like a hawk. They do though occasionally slip through. 99.99% of all bots and spammers come from free-mail systems. It's a defense mechanism. Additionally, trolls tend to prefer the anonymity of the freemail services as well as opposed to something they actually have to attach a name to. I can't think of an ISP (comcast, SBC, earthlink, at&t charter etc) that does not offer multiple email accounts. Honestly, I'd like to do it here too and we have discussed it but a big chunk of our long time members are on freemail and we don't want to force them to have to re-register.

The behavior you describe only happens to noobs who are incapable of or unwilling to follow the rather simple rules of the website. It never happened to me when I registered, nor did it happen to the ~dozen or so other members that I know of who are also members here. (Pozzi, Shipka, Parsons, Ron, Andrew and many many others).

[Damn True]

I checked it out....


the bad......this preoccupation with spelling and grammar ON A CAR RACING SITE has GAY written all over it!! .....so GAY....if it was a hair highlighting site that would be different......do they all have sailboats too?

yeah take your car down to your garage or dealership to get some work done on it then go running into the back crying..... "OMG fellas the sentence structure on this work order is incorrect and you didn't spell "spherical" correctly.......!!!" there'd be a line up guys pizzing in your gas tank.....hopefully

they go on and on about not wasting "precious bandwidth" with repeat threads but then they rip a guy for two pages over spelling with repetitive gay fish recipies.....hello!....recipies on a car site......hmmmmmmmm....GAY!



Apropos of nothing but, what does sexual orientation, either real or imagined have to do with anything?

What, in anything that you read clued you into the proclivities of the member in question. Is a preference for not having to wade through the ramblings of an individual who cannot be bothered to attempt to write properly and communicate clearly a known "homosexual trait"? If so, this is an astonishing revelation on your part. I mean, I live in the Bay Area and count a number of homosexual people among my friends and relatives and I have never noticed this as a "marker", so to speak, for use as a method of identification.

Just curious because I generally don't hear someone being referred to as gay unless they are actually homosexual, and I don't quite understand why someone would assign the moniker unless they were calling into question the sexuality of another as a means of attempting to insult or offend. Was that your aim? If so, why is it that you think the use of that term in that context is somehow acceptable and why is it that you think that your use of the term in that context would not be offensive to a member of THIS board who happens to actually be homosexual whether they have an open contempt for poor usage of the English language or not?

[Damn True]

In retrospect, this thread needs to be shut down.

The end game is as follows. If you are interested in CC.com check it out. Just be mindful of the cautionary statements posted earlier in this thread.

The internet is a big place. There is something for everyone out there. Some things appeal to a certain group of individuals and not to others. It's a bit like food. I happen to really enjoy sushi. Others find it repugnant. Neither opinion is wrong.

With that, I will shut this thread down and close the topic. Until at least the next time the subject comes up and we are treated to our next dose of silliness.