Fesler built 1969 camaro black knight project underway

[Fesler built]

Hey Guys,

As many of you know I bought this car as a perfect white 1969 Camaro and had lots of issues, well we finally got them all worked out (what a pain in the A%$) We have had it in our shop for about 6 months as most of you know we got the car in tore it down and started to do all the work to it. Well we had some huge title issues so the car had to sit for well over 3 months. So we had to double time this build to get it to SEMA this year.

Enough of that, let’s move on to the cool parts and the not so cool parts and this is something you all need to really watch for when buying cars from the website. If you buy a car with tons of pictures and a good word behind it you still need to be very careful and make sure you are getting what you paid for.

Some might say we got this car at a great deal but once we got into it and realized we had to completely tear it down things weren’t so great. See for yourself as we transform this from a white terd to a Black Knight

Here is what we are going for and we are building a matching 2010 to go with this car.

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Here is what we started with

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LS 6 full built and will get all the stuff together for you on it is for sale

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Seats can go
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hood can go
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door panels can go
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headliner can go

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Now the fun stuff, we tear it up and start the build

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All the airride stuff

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[SatisTraction]

not really sure what the problems were (besides the carb) but it looks like a nice start :)

[1badchevelle]

looks like you have/had a nice starting point. Looks to be a another great looking Fesler built car.

[g9901920]

PM me a price on the LS 6 please.

[CRead01]

This is going to be a sick build. Can't wait to see more.

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RUST FREE CAR?

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[OLDFLM]

Looking great Chris!! Can wait to watch this one!

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THIS WAS A NO RUST CAR FROM WHAT WE WERE TOLD
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[scherp69]

Chris you guys make me sick..........................sick with envy!!! You guys do amazing work. If only I didn't enjoy doing my car myself and had a ton of money to get you guys to do it. Can't wait to see the updates. Keep the pics coming.

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Here is my favorite part as we even asked about the top a few times and were assured that it was good and clean

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[ZuperZport]

Chris - Great job with the progress pics - nice to see how you guys take an area of concern (i.e. rusty panel) and show all the procedures necessary to correct the issue. Gives everyone here a better understanding of how much time and effort is needed to make the metal straight and rust free.

P.S. Let us (XV) know if you need any parts for the Charger in the back ground. James said you have a suspension lined up (MF), but any Mopar could benefit from some Chassis Stiffening.

Keep up the great work.

- Scott

[LMDGUY]

Looks like its goin to b another great ride Chris.

I too have been a victim of purchasing a "clean, rust free car" only to find a mess when we started tearing into it =(

[NOPANTS-68]

did you guys buy the car site unseen or something?

[68400BIRD]

Great work. I know all of those rust spots to well. Mine has all of that rust and a lot more. Or at least it did. Looking at the car in the first pics I would have thought it was a pretty solid car. But pictures, vinyle tops, and white paint can hide a ton. I'm fairly new to the site and am very impressed with how fast this is coming along. I'm sure it will take me at least two weeks to just smooth my firewall. LOL Keep up the great work.

[Fesler built]

did you guys buy the car site unseen or something?


Yes it was bought from Lateral G for sale section and I asked a ton of questions, got a ton of pictrues and got a ton of referals that the guy selling the car stood behind what he sold. Now in his defense he may have not known about all the rust but he knew about some of it.

[NOPANTS-68]

Yes it was bought from Lateral G for sale section and I asked a ton of questions, got a ton of pictrues and got a ton of referals that the guy selling the car stood behind what he sold. Now in his defense he may have not known about all the rust but he knew about some of it.


It's always a gamble buying a car in that manner- doesn't matter who or how it's represented. It doesn't look like you had to remove all that much infected metal meaning that the seller probably wouldn't have known it was there, or maybe he did. It's the risk of a blind purchase.

Looks like it'll be a wicked car when done. No mirrors or handles?

[camaro2nv]

It's always a gamble buying a car in that manner- doesn't matter who or how it's represented. It doesn't look like you had to remove all that much infected metal meaning that the seller probably wouldn't have known it was there, or maybe he did. It's the risk of a blind purchase.

Looks like it'll be a wicked car when done. No mirrors or handles?
I agree, with these cars I dont know how many are left without rust. My next car Ill just assume it has rust.
Great job on the car, cant wait to see more pics!

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There was so much rust in the roof it was just easier to cut it off and start over with a new skin from Goodmark.

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whoever had the bright idea to put a top on these where water can sit and cause rust should have been taken out back and well you can figure it out if you have ever fixed one of these because of the top.

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we blasted it all down and cleaned it up good
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OK so the car is a ton of metal work as you can see, this set us back like 2-3 weeks on the build but we got it all finished. car will be taken down at paint all body work done and painted black with gun metal stripes.

LS-9 Engine going in as well. Did I mention this will be in our booth at SEMA this year? come by and check out the car.

[Twentyover]

Chris- I think you mis-read the ad copy- It didn't mean it was rust free, it meant it had free rust.


Serius question- most of these have surface rust like that shown on the inner roof after you popped the top. How do you guys approach that problem? How do you treat to remove and/or stop further advance of rust?

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Moving on

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FESLER BILLET GOODIES
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[colt zantop]

great build pics so far! thanks for sharing!

[Fesler built]

Chris- I think you mis-read the ad copy- It didn't mean it was rust free, it meant it had free rust.


Serius question- most of these have surface rust like that shown on the inner roof after you popped the top. How do you guys approach that problem? How do you treat to remove and/or stop further advance of rust?


We will usually do one of two things, media blast the car and seal it to get rid of all or if the car is not that bad but has little issues like this one. Hand sand it out clean it up very well and use a metal etch and prime to protect it forever. Once its coated it will last forever and will not be a problem in the future. The orange you see in the pics is a sealer and rust killer

[nicks67camaro]

looks great.....Love the dash! What type of undercoating were you using? Looks like it covered well.

[Fesler built]

Lets see what you guys think this is worth? Its all brand new and should be well over 500HP

Engine/Tranny:

2002 Z06 LS6 aluminum engine with carb conversion
ATS sidewinder accessory drive
ATS Tri-Y stainless headers
ATS road race oil pan with remote filter
ATS engine plates/mounts
Pro-systems road race style carb
Carbon fiber valve covers with MSD coil packs
ATS T-56 six speed with Viper internals
McLeod modular blowproof SFI approved bellhousing
ATS T56 install kit
McLeod dual disc clutch

[67speedfreak]

What size wheels and tires are you running on this project.

I like the tri- 4 bar. I am getting ready to build something similar for our 68 vert project. Will be running air ride also.

Thanks,
Brian

[sunkistcamaro]

Great job!!
I cant wait to see this car completed!

[srh3trinity]

Just curious how fast you guys can move when you have a deadline. How much time has elapsed since you started work on the car up to the last picture. This is a cool thread, instant gratification.

[meenaggie]

I think you could list the engine / tranny package for $13k and see what interest you get. I think closer to $10k or $11K would get it sold before SEMA. The ATS parts are nice but very expensive. I added the ATS parts up and retail on the ATS parts alone is just under $13k. I don't think the sidewinder, headers, or oil pan will bring anywhere close to what they originally retailed for though. Add another $4k for the LS6 motor and carb to that figure. Just my $0.02.

Nice project by the way. I love all the black anondized pieces.

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[Fesler built]

Just curious how fast you guys can move when you have a deadline. How much time has elapsed since you started work on the car up to the last picture. This is a cool thread, instant gratification.

The fastest we have done a car from start to finish was 4 months of solid build time. I bought this Blazer to show people what could be done if they dont mind paying. Just to give you an idea 4 guys spent 12 days from start to finish on paint. when we started this was a 4X4. Our usual build times run between 6-10 months depending on how crazy we get.

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We did the Camaro you see here in about 4-5 months as well as it sat for a few of the months waiting on issues to be worked out with title.

[Twentyover]

We will usually do one of two things, media blast the car and seal it to get rid of all or if the car is not that bad but has little issues like this one. Hand sand it out clean it up very well and use a metal etch and prime to protect it forever. Once its coated it will last forever and will not be a problem in the future. The orange you see in the pics is a sealer and rust killer


Followup q-

you prim the inner skins- then weld the lid on. What happens to the paint in the region of the weld- I realize it's an insignifcant area, but still curious..

Thanks for the input and the images of the car.

[John Wright]

I'm curious....Do you have a dedicated camera guy to follow the guys around all day and take all of these progress pics for you and the customer?

[Fesler built]

I'm curious....Do you have a dedicated camera guy to follow the guys around all day and take all of these progress pics for you and the customer?

No I usually do it or have my son do it after school. its hard to keep up to all the projects

[Fesler built]

Followup q-

you prim the inner skins- then weld the lid on. What happens to the paint in the region of the weld- I realize it's an insignifcant area, but still curious..

Thanks for the input and the images of the car.

We use a weld able primer that lets you weld right to it. it works awesome and have been using it for a few years now with no problems.

[rlplive]

Looks good, although I wouldn't say it was exactly a turd before.

[Fesler built]

Looks good, although I wouldn't say it was exactly a turd before.


not really a turd just disapointing, you are right lots of good things to work with here. I stand corrected :)

[John Wright]

Looks good, although I wouldn't say it was exactly a turd before.
LOL...Chris would cringe if he saw my car rolled through his doors.(basket case) ....I'm dreading getting to the body work part of my project, I'm not sure my wallet could survive the shock.

[rlplive]

LOL...Chris would cringe if he saw my car rolled through his doors.(basket case) ....I'm dreading getting to the body work part of my project, I'm not sure my wallet could survive the shock.
Hahahaha, I am in the same boat. I bought a welder because I figured I could learn to do it myself quicker than I could afford to have it done. Hahaha, sorry to hijack.

[72Z/28]

Excellent build, can't wait to see it done. Chris I wonder why you guys did patches and rust repairs on certain areas, for example the door and the fenders instead of replacing the entire door skin or the fenders. I am not an expert or something but there might as well be rust in other areas of the door, fenders...

[D Impala95]

I love the photo recap so far. It's coming along very nicely.

[Fesler built]

Excellent build, can't wait to see it done. Chris I wonder why you guys did patches and rust repairs on certain areas, for example the door and the fenders instead of replacing the entire door skin or the fenders. I am not an expert or something but there might as well be rust in other areas of the door, fenders...

Rear through the post it talks about it, we removed the bad areas only no need to replace the door

[Motown 454]

This is an awesome project . I Love the look

[The WidowMaker]

what did you use for an undercoating?

[wellis77]

We use a weld able primer that lets you weld right to it. it works awesome and have been using it for a few years now with no problems.

Which weld thru primer do you use?

[T_Raven]

Awesome build. Where do I get that carpet?

[Richio1]

Awesome stuff... Let's see some more picks of the thrash and finished car...love your work!

[gearbanger]

I also want to know about that carpet. I want to do custom carpet in my GTO. I have altered the tranny tunnel some and I don't want the factory loop carpet. What kind of carpet are you using and how do you mold it to conform to contours?

[CruizinKev]

wow very nice :twothumbs

[WTRacing]

incredible incredible incredible

[syborg tt]

Great Work Guys'

[tones2SS]

As usual, killer work Chris. Is this car done or are there any updates?:cheers:

[compos mentis]

As usual, killer work Chris. Is this car done or are there any updates?:cheers:

It was at SEMA. :)

[gearheads78]

any finished pics?

[Fesler built]

I will post up shots of this car this week. I have to finish shooting the car.

[1badchevelle]

Chirs can you give us some info on the carpet you used. I seen several people have asked about it and seen no responce. Thank you.

[Fesler built]

Chirs can you give us some info on the carpet you used. I seen several people have asked about it and seen no responce. Thank you.

We use Bentley carpet very expensive but looks the best

[rossmacd]

We use Bentley carpet very expensive but looks the best


Where do you get it from? Carpet is one of those things that really make a nice car nicer, and it's difficult to find good stuff in bulk rolls. I'd be interested to learn how you mold it as well, though I think from one of your pics it's done with a heat gun.

[mattzoom]

WOW on this whole project, so cool

[Munster]

I see what you started with and how much you put into it to be perfect and it makes me feel embarassed for what I have. Damn, Damn, Damn.

Killer car. If you need a place to store it...........