Vinny's 68 camaro Shocked runs 9's

[hotrdblder]

guys, its been awhile but vinnys 68 camaro shocked, just went 9.98 at 138.47 in the 1/4 mile at atco drag way. Pretty unreal for a pro touring street car.
We will post video later of the run. heres a pic and stats

1.53 60 ft
[email protected] in the 8th
[email protected] in the 1/4 mile

This is on a 100 shot, his progressive controller died last week and he is on a wot switch, he spins coming out of hole with nx armed, so on his 9.98 run he armed it just after launch,lol Once new controller comes in he will run it on 200 shot but dial it in over a few seconds, should run 9.70s easy.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/04/racetrack08028-1.jpg

[JEFFTATE]

Holy Crap !!!

[ITLBTU]

How fast w/out laughing gas? ... I wish I had your 60' times...

[scogin918]

NIce tire tote!

[Damn True]

Video?

I want to hear that thing on the pipe with split-second paddle shifts!!!

[stealth71]

Nice runs.

Looks like the wheel/tire combo was swapped. Was the suspension still PT? Adjusted the shocks, removed the front sway bar?

[Steve Chryssos]

That's right! :yum:
Uh huh. :seizure:
Yup. :naughty:
Correct :yeah:

[Steve Chryssos]

Video?

I want to hear that thing on the pipe with split-second paddle shifts!!!

Than new Bowler 4L80E-1000 shifts crazy fast. And never harsh.

[Ron S]

Way to go Vinn,I knew that car had it in there. Ron

[Steve Chryssos]

Nice runs.

Looks like the wheel/tire combo was swapped. Was the suspension still PT? Adjusted the shocks, removed the front sway bar?

Sway bar remains attached. The car has Air Ride Technologies suspension so the only hardware that gets turned are lug nuts. Every other component remains exactly the same as the Auto-X, street or road course set-up. Process is as follows:

-Swap Wheels/Tires and wheel spacers.
-Raise the rear to accommodate taller rear tires.
-Rebound of front Air Ride Shockwave adjusted to dead soft.
-Pre-load right rear bag as needed.

Hopefully, Vinnie can resist the 200 shot jets. Before this outing, peak oil pressure was down near 45 psi cold. You can only send a 496 big block up to 7000 rpm so many times before the bearings need freshening......

[Vegas69]

Wow....that is impressive! Way to go guys. My 489 has always had 50 psi max cold. It was built that way though. What's getting upgraded in the motor while it's apart?:1st:

[Steve Chryssos]

:ssst: Shhh.... Please don't say "apart". It's probably better to say "disassembled" until he makes it back to the shop. The rest of the engine is rock solid. It just needs to be freshened.

[Motown 454]

Nice times! I love this car and it sounds so sweet..

[wicked68]

wow congrats!
that is killer - what tire size, rear gear, transmission and horsepower are your running?

[TonyHuntimer]

Wow....that is impressive! Way to go guys. My 489 has always had 50 psi max cold. It was built that way though. What's getting upgraded in the motor while it's apart?:1st:

Holy cr@p! That's BAD@$$! That's a sweet quarter mile for any car, but especially for a Pro-Touring car. I wonder if that's a record for a Pro-Touring car? Congratulations!

I wonder what's going wrong with the pressure. My 433 is like 90 psi max cold. A buddy had 45 PSI too, but his was like that from the get-go. He didn't notice during assembly, but a main cap nut was a tiny bit too big and was keeping the oil pump from seating against the cap surface.

[hotrdblder]

yeah its been 3 years of abuse, so its time to check valve springs, mains and rods etc as it is more race motor then street motor.
Theres nothing like hearing this thing at 7200 rpm thru the 3 inch oval exhaust and spin tech mufflers.
496ci
10.9-1
afr cnc heads
ultradyne solid roller .710 lift, 262/266 [email protected] on a 108
scat crank and h beam rods, internally balanced, wiseco pistons
.040 quench
dart single plane with pro systems hp1000
bowler 4l80e killer tranny with the twist machine paddle shifter making it happen.

[hotrdblder]

it has a reg pump not hv. bearings are calico coated and were all sized at .0025
pressure is 45 cold at idle, and goes up to 55-60 at rpm which is about what it has always done, maybe 5-10 psi lower , its way cheaper and easier to freshen it then rebuild it.

engine hp is 680-700 flywheel, 530-550 rwhp
runs 10.60 flat at 131-132 on motor.

[Damn True]

Theres nothing like hearing this thing at 7200 rpm thru the 3 inch oval exhaust and spin tech mufflers.


....which is why I requested video of the pass....dammit man I need to live vicariously through those with finished cars....motivation wanning...frustration building.........True sad........

[Vegas69]

it has a reg pump not hv. bearings are calico coated and were all sized at .0025
pressure is 45 cold at idle, and goes up to 55-60 at rpm which is about what it has always done, maybe 5-10 psi lower , its way cheaper and easier to freshen it then rebuild it.

engine hp is 680-700 flywheel, 530-550 rwhp
runs 10.60 flat at 131-132 on motor.

Sounds like plenty of pressure to me. Hot oil pressure at idle is where you will see your difference if you have bearing wear. Pretty radical setup, better safe than sorry I agree....

[L & H Kustoms]

wow that's sweet lets see a video

[Steve Chryssos]

Sounds like plenty of pressure to me. Hot oil pressure at idle is where you will see your difference if you have bearing wear. Pretty radical setup, better safe than sorry I agree....

That's alright. No complaints. Big Blocks have heavy rotating assemblies. Cylinder pressure, rotating mass, rpm and frequency of abuse all conspire to hammer the bearings over time. In this case: 3 years and counting. The engine held up today. We are simply monitoring oil pressure because it's now lower than when the engine was fresh.

It's all perfectly normal for a street driven, road raced, autocrossed nine second hot rod that's driven by a maniac.

Congrats Vin!

[wicked68]

it has a reg pump not hv. bearings are calico coated and were all sized at .0025
pressure is 45 cold at idle, and goes up to 55-60 at rpm which is about what it has always done, maybe 5-10 psi lower , its way cheaper and easier to freshen it then rebuild it.

engine hp is 680-700 flywheel, 530-550 rwhp
runs 10.60 flat at 131-132 on motor.


what size tires and rear gear are you running?

do you have a locker as well in the rear?

[oestek]

Very cool Vinny!

[hotrdblder]

what size tires and rear gear are you running?

do you have a locker as well in the rear?
true tack with 3.73 gears, in a 12 bolt
ccw drag pack wheels 17x6 front, 16x12 rears with a 26x12 m/h slick, yeas it lifts a tire

[NOT A TA]

Nice times! Congrats Vinny!

[MarkM66]

Nice.

That's got to be one of the quickest pro touring cars.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Congrats Vinny. That Air Ride stuff really works! Might very well be the fastest car on air also?

[wicked68]

true tack with 3.73 gears, in a 12 bolt
ccw drag pack wheels 17x6 front, 16x12 rears with a 26x12 m/h slick, yeas it lifts a tire
bias ply tires or steel radials?

also may have overlooked this - automatic transmission?

[wicked68]

:ssst: Shhh.... Please don't say "apart". It's probably better to say "disassembled" until he makes it back to the shop. The rest of the engine is rock solid. It just needs to be freshened.
kind of like a really hot lady that has reached 48 :D

[Steve Chryssos]

bias ply tires or steel radials?

also may have overlooked this - automatic transmission?

Bias ply. Transmission is a Twist paddle shift Bowler 4L80E-1000 automatic built to 1000 Ft-Lb input torque capacity. Torque converter is our 10.5" MuscleDrive @ 3000 stall. We're working on a new converter with higher stall but same part throttle capabilities. That plus a progressive 200 shot of nitrous and I believe this car will go 9.70's in the spring.

Excuse the overflowing pride. This car's accomplishments are:

-Year One Cup Autocross Champ
-Camaro Performers Top 10
-RTTH4 King of the Hill Runner Up (If ya ain't first, yer last)
-9.98@138 ET

Important names to remember:
-Jake's Rod Shop (http://www.jakesrodshop.com/)
-Twist Machine (http://www.twistmachine.com)
-Ridetech.com (http://www.ridetech.com)
-Bowler Transmissions (http://www.bowlertransmissions.com/)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/camp0902072008bestchevycamaro-1.jpg

[Vegas69]

Don't forget the driver, he has some skills.....

[Steve Chryssos]

He's the best! If I ever rob a bank, I will be hiring Vinnie as my wheelman.

[bret]

Vinnie, Steve, and all the guys that support this car...CONGRATULATIONS!

You make our stuff look great! I would love to point to the air suspension as being largely responsible for this accomplishment but have to admit my own car is still about 2 seconds slower!
You also make our sport look great. The real accomplishment here is your perserverence in tuning this combination into what you wanted it to be. [If I remember, you'se guys call it "balls"].

Keep takin it to em!

PS: At this point you may consider welding the AirBar into the car. I have not tested the fastening method at this level. :)

[bucks69]

Congrats Vinnie! Thats hauling the mail right there.
Kudos to Steve, Jake, and everyone involved.

[John Wright]

PS: At this point you may consider welding the AirBar into the car. I have not tested the fastening method at this level. :):idea:
I think it just got tested for you :smoke:

[wicked68]

two thumbs up to you guys. awesome - I love it when guys take these cars out and spank them and it looks great too. badass bro


Bias ply. Transmission is a Twist paddle shift Bowler 4L80E-1000 automatic built to 1000 Ft-Lb input torque capacity. Torque converter is our 10.5" MuscleDrive @ 3000 stall. We're working on a new converter with higher stall but same part throttle capabilities. That plus a progressive 200 shot of nitrous and I believe this car will go 9.70's in the spring.

Excuse the overflowing pride. This car's accomplishments are:

-Year One Cup Autocross Champ
-Camaro Performers Top 10
-RTTH4 King of the Hill Runner Up (If ya ain't first, yer last)
-9.98@138 ET

Important names to remember:
-Jake's Rod Shop (http://www.jakesrodshop.com/)
-Twist Machine (http://www.twistmachine.com)
-Ridetech.com (http://www.ridetech.com)
-Bowler Transmissions (http://www.bowlertransmissions.com/)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/camp0902072008bestchevycamaro-1.jpg

[gmjj13]

congrats on hittin the 9's. that is an awesome accomplishment for everyone involved. wow...:twothumbs

[Steve1968LS2]

Hey, nice picture!

But seriously.. that's really haulin ass.. congrats on the 9-second time slip, good work! We knew we put you in the top ten for a reason. :)

[shmoov69]

WoW!! Just wow! Awesome! Amazing! Crazy fast! Insanely cool! Wicked! Killer, And I could go on and on!

Congrats for sure! But, surely that makes more power than 550ish at the rear, with that mph it should unless it is a lightweight. Which is not really realistic. What does it weigh?

[hotrdblder]

watch the front tire...
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[JEFFTATE]

Nice vid Jake !

What was the 60' time ???

[hotrdblder]

nice vid jake !

What was the 60' time ???
1.53

[Steve Chryssos]

WoW!! Just wow! Awesome! Amazing! Crazy fast! Insanely cool! Wicked! Killer, And I could go on and on!

Congrats for sure! But, surely that makes more power than 550ish at the rear, with that mph it should unless it is a lightweight. Which is not really realistic. What does it weigh?

Race weight for that day was 3750 including driver. RWHP is 595 with 100 shot. Others involved with the car will swear 650 RWHP, but whatever.

[BRIAN]

Best part is it does it with stuff everybody swears will never work in a PT car such as a BBC and Air Ride. Throw some billet stuff on there it would be good for a couple 1/10's

Nasty car!!!

[Steve Chryssos]

As for the awesome vid:
-Listen to the stage rpm. As a pro-touring car, the torque converter has a very low 3000 rpm stall speed. There are not many sub 10 second cars using low stall converters.
-Despite having such a tight converter, listen to how quickly the engine accelerates after launch.
-Lastly, engine speed is 7200 rpm thru the traps. Carry the two... That means Vin's car has a very usable 4200 rpm power band. Typical drag cars are happy with 3000 rpm power bands.

[Steve Chryssos]

And an older video for the new member who thinks Shocked is just a drag car:

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[L & H Kustoms]

Awesome video

[JEFFTATE]

And an older video for the new member who thinks Shocked is just a drag car:

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That was good times !!
Vinny IS a good driver.
I could see you guys making a get-away ( all sideways and ***** )

I remember that weekend at RTTH4 ?? .
A lot of vapor-locking issues (with various cars )because the entire area had been shipped a bad supply of fuel from the reserves due to the hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico.
Vinny was on a mission that weekend !!!
He made it to the dragstrip and made his official pass with 1 second to spare !!
Amazing !!

[BA.]

that was an awesome weekend for RTTH in beautiful TN.

I'll remember Vinny's tire smoking, power-sliding autocross for a long time. :) Good times!


Congrats Vinny.

[shmoov69]

Wow that thing revs quick for a low rpm launch!! What does the converter flash to?
You sure it's just a small shot?!?! That thing acts like a bunch more than a hundred!
I likey!! Awesome job guys!

Dang!! A full second faster than me! I gotta get some real turbos! Lol!

[datsbad]

Impressive runs, but us drag racers KNOW that 595 RWHP does not run 9.98.
At any rate its still a super car , handles, and runs good 1/4 et's.
So what if it makes big rwhp number? Besides who cares about dyno numbers. The track and mph tells all. Now get more NOS on there !!!!!

FYI, I stall below 3k on a foot brake, and run 9.10's at 148 mph .

[ZZ427]

Awesome , got the SHOW and GO .

[Steve Chryssos]

Wow that thing revs quick for a low rpm launch!! What does the converter flash to?
You sure it's just a small shot?!?! That thing acts like a bunch more than a hundred!
I likey!! Awesome job guys!

Dang!! A full second faster than me! I gotta get some real turbos! Lol!

It's a plate system with 100 HP jets. Fuel is C12. With regards to flash, what you are seeing is the driver manually activate the N20. Just out of the hole. The progressive controller and WOT switch both failed. Flash varies with input torque, so it does flash higher with the nitrous. What you are seeing is the new 2.75 1st gear in the trans. It helps the car leave harder. You can compare with older videos in the link below. Second down on right is a 10.60 run on muscle.

http://www.northshoremusclecars.com/shocked.htm

[Steve Chryssos]

Impressive runs, but us drag racers KNOW that 595 RWHP does not run 9.98.
At any rate its still a super car , handles, and runs good 1/4 et's.
So what if it makes big rwhp number? Besides who cares about dyno numbers. The track and mph tells all. Now get more NOS on there !!!!!

FYI, I stall below 3k on a foot brake, and run 9.10's at 148 mph .


Always understate your actual horsepower. And never trust an ET calculator.

[datsbad]

Always understate your actual horsepower. And never trust an ET calculator.

Yeah there ya go ...
Im curious what happens when 200 of NOS is applied and how the converter works out.
Any idea if he is gonna add more NOS ?

[1968CamaroSS_Sam]

That is a pretty impressive car.

[Steve Chryssos]

Thanks!

Jason,
As of today, plan is to freshen bearings/valve springs, fix progressive nitrous controller, test experimental stators in the existing converter, run a taller tire and hit with 250 shot.

It would be nice to go 9.70's AND use the nitrous on the straights at the 2010 Motor State Challenge/Gingerman.

[Nine Ball]

Impressive runs, but us drag racers KNOW that 595 RWHP does not run 9.98.


I know of 500 rwhp cars that have run 9s on motor alone. I think you meant to say that 595 rwhp is too low to trap 138 mph. Especially at 3,700 lbs. The 1.5 60' isn't that great in terms of full-on drag racing, so the car is definitely making some real power on the backend to trap 138. For example, my supercharged Viper with 3,600 lbs raceweight traps 135 mph....with 670 rwhp.

Nice work Vin. The combo works, regardless of dyno figures. I'd estimate you are putting down closer to 700 rwhp than you think ;)

[ProdigyCustoms]

Agreed Tony. My street racer on a 100 shot runs 140MPH. With 100shot on my car on the dyno that is 650HP at the tires at 3400LBS. That is also a 9.55 at 138MPH with a 1.37 short time. So Vinny is running MPH good for 9.50s with is super impressive for any street car. let alone a Pro Touring car. And on Air is super cool. Makes me want to get rid of the ladder bars and put a Air Bar on the street racer, LOL!

[JEFFTATE]

1.53

That's gittin' it ...

[John McIntire]

man that is great! Thats what pro touring is all about! Congrats to all involved, great work and beautiful car!

[MrQuick]

short of driving across water I'd say you guys have it frickin nailed. Good work everyone!


vince