Places to buy turn key LSX pro touring Camaro?

[Speed Demon]

I have two friends who are interested in buying a muscle car of some sort. I'm trying to turn them onto a pro touring style Camaro.

What is good place to find them for sale turn key?

I searched through the classifieds and I didn't see too many like they are looking for.

The only place that comes to mind is DSE. What are some others? Is there a list somewhere. Sorry for my ignorance I haven't been on this forum in a while. (I did use the search feature some).

[jy211]

if they want one now and can't wait, post a wanted ad and see who is willing to sell theirs. If not there are some shops who are site sponsors on the board who may have one or personally know about one for sale...or are willing to build one to customers budget

[parsonsj]

This car is most certainly "turn key" and "LSX". And a whole lot more.

:)

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37075

jp

[John Wright]

I can think of a few right off the bat, some really neat cars too. Wish I was in a finacial position to even be considering some of those engineering pieces of art.


edit: ^^^^that is one of the cars i was dreaming about

[Charley Lillard]

I still have this for sale..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260462123310&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEUSX%3AIT

[Steve1968LS2]

Everyone forgot the most important question...

How much are they looking to spend? $50k? $100K?

Makes a big difference in what is out there.

[parsonsj]

I didn't forget. I was hoping the answer was favorable. :eek:

jp

[Vegas69]

Exactly, budget first and we'll go from there.

[Steve1968LS2]

My two favorite PT cars for sale right now are II Much and Camaro X

Of the two the "best bargain" is II Much, but if someone has to have a Camaro then they couldn't go wrong with Camaro X (which is being sold for less than it would cost to build).

If the budget is down in the $50/60K range then there are still some nice rides out there. If the budget is around $25k then they are not really looking at "pro-touring" cars but more restomods.

Like we said, budget is the ultimate factor in what is out there.

[bret]

This will be going on Ebay next week...

http://ridetechgarage.com/more/1971-camaro/

I need to make room for a new one. Been asking $37,500.

[compos mentis]

I just watched John Parson's vids again (links below). It could be a good way to introduce your friends to what goes into a 1st class pro-touring car and what these cars are capable of when set up right.

http://v8tvshow.com/content/view/439/94/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAZPVNMh1SU

[JamesJ]

DSE may know of someone that is selling a car but dont think they will have anything for sale, most likely this website, lateral-g.net and camaros.net are the places to look, but like said before, place an add in the wanted section with what you want and dont want.

[MikeDVC]

G-Force Designs?
http://www.gforcedesignconcepts.com/

[dacls1]

"If the budget is down in the $50/60K range then there are still some nice rides out there. If the budget is around $25k then they are not really looking at "pro-touring" cars but more restomods."

If the budget is "down" in the $50/60K range? So anything under that is not a nice ride?

If in the $25K range, it is no longer a pro-touring car?

No disrespect Steve, but I guess I have not been browsing the site enough in the last few years....once upon a time, pro-touring was defined by much more than just a price tag.

[Doug Harden]

It's not an LSX PT Camaro, but a fast LT4 PT Camaro...and I'd let it go for $40k-ish....

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37671

[Speed Demon]

Everyone forgot the most important question...

How much are they looking to spend? $50k? $100K?

Makes a big difference in what is out there.

I didn't ask them specifically what their budget was but one is considering buying a Gallardo and the other has been looking at C6 Z06 Corvettes.

I'm trying to show them other options and get them interested (educated) about pro touring cars. I explained to them that these cars are very unlikely to drop in value and you won't see one just like it anywhere.

[Charley Lillard]

They do drop in value as evidenced by the fact that I am asking less for CamaroX than I am in it. It will hold it's value much better than a Z06 though and it does have the Z06 engine.

[Scarab z]

Here is one I dug up for....ahem $58,900!
http://www.flemingsultimategarage.com/1969-chevrolet-camaro-ss-pro-touring--c-669.htm

I think there may be better cars out there for sale by members here.

I'm sorry for 58,900 it should have mini-tubs out back IMO.

I guess there are more builders on this site than "turn key" buyers. But the turn key cars are out there, just have to search and have the funds ready when the opportunity presents its self.

[parsonsj]

Exactly. Cars are poor investments. It's a rare car that increases in value over time, so if you expect to make money collecting cars... you better be very market-savvy and/or lucky.

So... if you want car-toys, what's more fun? It depends. Our PT cars are different, and hold their value longer. On the other hand, they require more maintenance and care, or their value will drop sharply as they transition from "show car" aesthetics to "daily driver" looks.

It's an emotional decision. None of these cars (Gallardo, Z06, CamaroX, or II Much) make much sense from a cost/benefit point of view. :)

jp

[Rybar]

Andy is selling his '67 with a S/C LS1:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230374809888&category=6161&_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D 10%26ps%3D63

This '69 just sold for $60K, pretty amazing deal. I know it's not LSX but a procharged BBC with 1132 hp:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=21561

[Steve1968LS2]

"If the budget is down in the $50/60K range then there are still some nice rides out there. If the budget is around $25k then they are not really looking at "pro-touring" cars but more restomods."

If the budget is "down" in the $50/60K range? So anything under that is not a nice ride?

If in the $25K range, it is no longer a pro-touring car?

No disrespect Steve, but I guess I have not been browsing the site enough in the last few years....once upon a time, pro-touring was defined by much more than just a price tag.

Wow, people get so bent of shape easily...

Where did I say that a car car under $50k "IS NOT NICE"? I mean seriously.. where did I say anything like that? The answer is nowhere.

And yea.. if a car is under $25k I wouldn't consider it a PRO-Touring car.. maybe a g-Machine.. or a retromod.. and it might kick ass on the track and look great, but to me the "PRO" part of pro-touring implies certain things that aren't often found in $25,000 cars. It's doesn't mean they are bad cars.. or "uncool" cars, in fact many of them are bad ass.

It's one of the reasons I don't like the term Pro-Touring.

It's like all those stock Camaros on eBay with 17" wheels labled as "Pro-Touring".. the fact is that they arn't.

[6'9"Witha69]

"If the budget is down in the $50/60K range then there are still some nice rides out there. If the budget is around $25k then they are not really looking at "pro-touring" cars but more restomods."

If the budget is "down" in the $50/60K range? So anything under that is not a nice ride?

If in the $25K range, it is no longer a pro-touring car?

No disrespect Steve, but I guess I have not been browsing the site enough in the last few years....once upon a time, pro-touring was defined by much more than just a price tag.
I think you are reading way too deep into it. I didn't get that at all.

[dacls1]

Steve, I wasn't bent out of shape at all. Really didn't mean to come across in a negative way, if that is what I did.

I just asked a couple of questions so I could better understand your statement. You've got a presence in the industry, so I was curious.

When you said, "If the budget is down in the $50/60K range then there are still some nice rides out there", this implied to me that that is where the nice cars were from your point of view. Of course, it's all relative.

In your opinion, what does the "PRO" part of pro-touring imply that is not necessarily found in $25K cars? I absolutely agree with you that a set of big rims does not make a car pro-touring. I do believe, however, that there are numerous cars out there that are in the $25K range that are definitely pro-touring....at least from my point of view. Then again, pro-touring does not necessarily mean the same thing it did 10 years ago. This is what I am trying to grasp.

[tones2SS]

I have two friends who are interested in buying a muscle car of some sort. I'm trying to turn them onto a pro touring style Camaro.

What is good place to find them for sale turn key?

I searched through the classifieds and I didn't see too many like they are looking for.

The only place that comes to mind is DSE. What are some others? Is there a list somewhere. Sorry for my ignorance I haven't been on this forum in a while. (I did use the search feature some).

Here is a good place to look and lateral-g.net is a good place as well. But, tell them to be prepared to put down some cash for a TRUE pro-touring car. There is Charley's car, Camaro X, which is for sale @ about 100k on ebay and that is one hell of a car and price. (That is an excellent example of a pro-touring car.):1st:
GOOD LUCK!!

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, I wasn't bent out of shape at all. Really didn't mean to come across in a negative way, if that is what I did.

I just asked a couple of questions so I could better understand your statement. You've got a presence in the industry, so I was curious.

When you said, "If the budget is down in the $50/60K range then there are still some nice rides out there", this implied to me that that is where the nice cars were from your point of view. Of course, it's all relative.

In your opinion, what does the "PRO" part of pro-touring imply that is not necessarily found in $25K cars? I absolutely agree with you that a set of big rims does not make a car pro-touring. I do believe, however, that there are numerous cars out there that are in the $25K range that are definitely pro-touring....at least from my point of view. Then again, pro-touring does not necessarily mean the same thing it did 10 years ago. This is what I am trying to grasp.

No problem.. it's just that it's so easy for someone to read stuff on here and get the wrong impression.

I thought you were offended and I certainly didn't mean that and I never implied that cars at $25k or less arn't nice. Some are pretty darn nice :)

I think it's the "PRO" part that makes me not agree.. to me PRO implies a certain level of modification that just doesn't lend itself to "low buck" or inexpensive builds. I would call those cars g-Machines (which by the way is the other name for this site) or Restomod for cars that have been modernized but to the level of a "PRO" titled car.

Heck, I don't even consider my car to be Pro-Touring since it doesn't have enough creature comforts.

Then again, definitions, by definition, are sort of annoying.. lol

[barraza]

When you said, "If the budget is down in the $50/60K range then there are still some nice rides out there", this implied to me that that is where the nice cars were from your point of view. Of course, it's all relative.

In your opinion, what does the "PRO" part of pro-touring imply that is not necessarily found in $25K cars? I absolutely agree with you that a set of big rims does not make a car pro-touring. I do believe, however, that there are numerous cars out there that are in the $25K range that are definitely pro-touring....at least from my point of view. Then again, pro-touring does not necessarily mean the same thing it did 10 years ago. This is what I am trying to grasp.

I think Steve was right on target with his numbers. The original question was about turn key pro-touring lsx Camaros. Anyone looking for a turnkey car probably wants a nice, finished, car built to a good standard with quality parts, not junkyard stuff. They don't exist for 25k. Unless you are taking about projects with mediocre paint and junkyard ls motors. The fact is that an average 1st gen camaro with little to no rust will set you back 10k. A little rust repair/bodywork and paint will eat up 10-15k, so you are at 25k for a car that needs a drivetrain and interior. A nice ls3/6speed combo will take most of 10k by the time you get installed, maybe lots more if it is all new and modified. And who wants a stock motor? Brakes? Interior? Wheels and tires? Heck, something simple like a rear axle and driveshaft can swallow 3k easy. There are also a ton of little things that can get spendy, like radiators,gas tanks, AC, and tunes. Yes, you can have a lot of fun at the lower price points, but COMPLETED cars don't come cheap.

Yes, I know someone won't agree with the numbers, but add everything up and you'll be surprised. A perfect example is minitubs. A few hundred bucks to DSE and 40 hours and you are good - right? Well not really, you also will need a new exhaust, gas tank, rear end, and wheels. And might as well upgrade that rear with hd axles, posi, housing ends, and a 1350 yoke. Which means driveshaft mods, and probably brake mods, hell why not spring for a whole new brake upgrade. Don't forget the back seat mods and more engine to push those 335's. And why go thru the trouble without adding a link rear suspension and coilovers. So what do minitubs cost, mine will run about 15k, don't tell my wife!!

[rogue]

Should be able to find an OK LSX equipped camaro with pretty typical suspension and stock clip for 35k if you're lucky. I'd say a budget of 50k-60k is good to work with.

The best buy out there right now is definitely Camaro X imo. $100k and its a hell of a car for the money.

[camcojb]

Should be able to find an OK LSX equipped camaro with pretty typical suspension and stock clip for 35k if you're lucky. I'd say a budget of 50k-60k is good to work with.

The best buy out there right now is definitely Camaro X imo. $100k and its a hell of a car for the money.
amen brother. I drove the car on Power Tour 08, and it is the best riding/handling first gen Camaro I've ever driven, and I've driven a bunch of them. Mark Stielow really out-did himself on this one, his own personal car.

Jody

[Vegas69]

Good call Joy.

[compos mentis]

amen brother. I drove the car on Power Tour 08, and it is the best riding/handling first gen Camaro I've ever driven, and I've driven a bunch of them. Mark Stielow really out-did himself on this one, his own personal car.

Joy

X=Joy?

[camcojb]

X=Joy?
forgot the "d"............... :)

Jody

[compos mentis]

forgot the "d"............... :)

Jody

I know, just my attempt at a little Camaro X/Algebraic humor. :)

Seriously though, if I was in the market for a Camaro, your comments on 'X' would make it #1 on my list. That is high praise.

[tones2SS]

I know, just my attempt at a little Camaro X/Algebraic humor. :)

Seriously though, if I was in the market for a Camaro, your comments on 'X' would make it #1 on my list. That is high praise.

Yes, I agree Skip. What a nice car Camaro X is. And for the money, you cannot go wrong.

[Steve1968LS2]

Personally I would have a hard time choosing between Camaro X and II Much

And both are blue.. :)

[compos mentis]

Personally I would have a hard time choosing between Camaro X and II Much

Agreed.

That is a tough choice for someone who wants either a Nova or a Camaro.

[parsonsj]

Maybe Charley and I should trade cars. :)

[streetk14]

As Ryan mentioned, I am selling my '67 Camaro. It doesn't have a cool name or anything, but it is a hell of a lot of car for my asking price and a true well-rounded Pro-touring car. 625+ Hp blown LS1, T56 6 speed, Art Morrison C6 clip, truckarm rear, DSE mini-tubbed, Fikse wheels, Vintage air, Recaros, etc.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230374809888&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

[formula]

in regards to the "pro in pro-touring" argument....

can I start a new segment called amatouring? Or would that be amateuring? :enguard:

[MIGOAT]

I like amaturing it fits me. only some can be pro's..

[tones2SS]

As Ryan mentioned, I am selling my '67 Camaro. It doesn't have a cool name or anything, but it is a hell of a lot of car for my asking price and a true well-rounded Pro-touring car. 625+ Hp blown LS1, T56 6 speed, Art Morrison C6 clip, truckarm rear, DSE mini-tubbed, Fikse wheels, Vintage air, Recaros, etc.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230374809888&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT

I've seen it on ebay. That is a nice car Andy.
Good luck!

[Texas Bob]

In regards to turn key vehicles I believe Baldwin Motion might be an avenue. I'm not sure of all their options but it's turn key.

http://www.officialbaldwinmotion.com/home.htm

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