What would you do if this happend to your daughterr/son?

[Samckitt]

Police: Wal-Mart Shopper Slaps Crying Child

Roger Stephens Charged With Felony Cruelty To Children, Held Without Bond


STONE MOUNTAIN, Ga. -- A Wal-Mart shopper who became so angry about a crying child that he allegedly slapped the girl in the face appeared in court Wednesday.Investigators said the incident happened Monday at the Stone Mountain store on Rockbridge Road.A police report said the man, Roger Stephens, 61, of Stone Mountain, had warned the child’s mother, Sonya Mathews, that if she didn’t quiet down the child, he would do it for her.


According to the report, after the mother failed to quiet the girl, Stephens came up to them and slapped the child several times in the face. The report then quotes Stephens as saying, “See, I told you I would shut her up.”Mathews then screamed at Stephens and called for security, the report said. Stephens was stopped by another shopper, according to the report.The girl, identified in the report as Paige Mathews, 2, was not injured, but did suffer some redness in the face. She was treated at the scene and released, the report said.Stephens was charged with cruelty with children in the first degree, which is a felony. He is being held in the Gwinnett County Detention Center without bond.

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If some guy smacked my son/daughter in the mouth, I think I would be in jail because I would beat the F%$# out of him.

[69LT1Nova]

What do you expect in a Wal-Mart? Clean floors and peace and quiet? LOL!

To answer your question, if this were happening to my kid, the a-hole would get a whoopin'. Full on knock-down, drag-out Jerry Springer style.

[Damn True]

He should'a slapped the mother.


I'm kidding of course.


That said, too few parents discipline their children any longer.

[rsk68]

I would of said "hey thats my job" and then beat the crap out of him!

[vintageracer]

3 hots and a cot or leave the store and shop somewhere else a little less noisy?

I guess Roger must have needed a place to stay. I here the Gwinnett County Dentention Center is pretty nice with some good chow!

Dumbschitt!

[moreHP]

He would have woke up in the ER.

[Ron L]

What's up with seniors being *******s? One guy recently pulled up next to me and told me I shouldn't be opening my door on the street side of the car. This Walmart jerk probably never had kids or he worked while making his wife/mother/sitter raise his kids for him full time and knows nothing of two year olds.

[cheapthrillz]

If that were me..... I'd be the one in jail and the old man would be at the coroner getting the .45 slugs out of him. :machine:

[6'9"Witha69]

If someone slapped my kids in the face, he would be in ICU. That is the type of rage that knows no limits!

[TERMN8OR]

That guy would have surely had a foot up his a**.

[Jim Nilsen]

I can tell you that seniors are fed up with the younger generation whining and crying over nothing and it has worn on them all.

In my youth my mother would have sent me to the car but you can't do that anymore either.

The man did the wrong thing in the eyes of people these days but I bet it worked with his children and he probably thought he was helping out. Wrong way but the old way being the wrong way when you see how people over 35 turned out and then you get a clue that the wrong way might actually have made better people out of them compared to the youth and childish adults we have.

I came acrossed a 3 0r 4 year old kid having a screaming crying tantrum one time some years back and the mother looked distressed and afraid to do what she wanted and was doing nothing. So I walked up to the little guy and looked him right in the eye and said hey lets do it together and I started going whaaaaaa whaaaaaa and doing the same body language he was. I then stopped and looked around a then looked at him and said it doesn't seem to working ,come on lets do it some more Whaaaaa Whhhaaaaaaaa looked around again and told him it looks like noone cares. The mother looked at me and didn't know what to say and the look she had was as priceless as the little kid. Neither of them knew how to respond and neither of them made another noise. To this day I wonder if she hated me for it or fully appreciated it. One thing I do know is that he found out that noone else in the store cared about his little problem and would buy in to the intimidation and shame he was trying to put on his mother to get what he wanted. When I told him it wasn't getting me what I wanted either I really think he understood.

So I didn't have to tell the mother anything and all I did was act like the boy so if it wasn't hurting him doing it it sure wasn't going to hurt me either.

So I accomplished the same thing that man tried to do and never had to do anything that was threatening or abusive I just had to be adult enough but remember what it was like to be a kid and act like one to show him what he looked like to everyone else so he could see his own shame.

It's all in how we are taught lessons in life that form us and it happens very young and some neverr give up the bad shameful behaviour because they are never shown or see what they look like to others, but when they do change comes from it.

So I can't really say what the man did was right, but I think my mother would have thanked him and I would have always been looking out for someone to put me in my place even if they were a stranger. We don't live in bubbles and outside influence is where we really learn the lessons that help or hurt us the most.

So if your kid is having a tantrum in the store just start acting like them and embarrass the hell out of them and teach them that others won't care either.

[twosaturns]

in a store? he should have just walked away. in an airplane? asked the mother if she needed help.
my reaction? if it was my kid, he'd be in the hospital. if my wife was there, she'd put him on the morgue.

[68Formula]

It would've taken a lot of restraint, but I'm not going to put myself in a position where I have end up in jail as well. I can tell you this though, the guy would've been eating tile until security arrived (he would have gone down hard too). I wouldn't hit him, but he's not going to be remaining vertical either.

Seems like seniors these days are angry at the world.

He's going to learn the hard way, there are boundaries you don't ever cross.

If you ask me, between the two of them, the 2 year old was the most mature.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

do any of you know what a DDT is?





he would get it.. right there in the store.
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[justasquid]

It doesnt matter what anyone says. If any person that I consider an adult lays one hand on my kid while Im present.... they would be in the hospital or the morgue. I of course may regret the decision, but in the moment, All I would be thinking about is the safety of my child. How do I know how far this guy is going to go if he's not stopped? I wouldnt give the person a chance to hit again, one time and the person is out.


I understand parents nowaday do not discipline their children like in the old days. But thats up to the parents to decide, not some random stranger.

this made me think of my son who is now 2 years old. Last weak he got an ear infection and was crying non stop for over 2 hours. its not like him at all, but the pain was unbearable to him. We got him in to the doctor as soon as we could and got him antibiotics for it. But I can only imagine if my kid was screaming and someone came up and laid a hand on him.... In all honesty, they would be seriously messed up. I would have to be pulled off of the person, and if no could pull me off, too bad for the SOB that hit my kid. I dont care if the guy is in a wheel chair. Too many old people think they can do what ever they want.

They need to hang this guy by his feet and have a bunch of kids beat the piss out of him with baseball bats.

[LateNight72]

I can tell you that seniors are fed up with the younger generation whining and crying over nothing and it has worn on them all.
Lets not stereotype now. :)

[Samckitt]

I think if anyone makes a comment to me like "quite your kid or I am going to do it", I think I my nose would be about an RCH from his & I would say something like "I don't think that would be a wise decision on your part if you have any since at all".

But if my child's mount was smacked, I can't imagine what I would do. This comes to mind:
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[BA.]

Good intentions or not, the old guy doesn't deserve a felony charge of "cruelty to children in the first degree". A lesser charge, sure.f

it's good to see a couple of folks looking at both sides of this story.

[Scott Parkhurst]

No strangers touch my kid. It causes immediate loss of consciousness.

[EFI69Cam]

Good intentions or not, the old guy doesn't deserve a felony charge of "cruelty to children in the first degree". A lesser charge, sure.f

it's good to see a couple of folks looking at both sides of this story.


There are lines that are not to be crossed. What if the child was sick hungry or tired? You don't know and that's why you have no business hitting a 2 y/o in the face even as a parent. If that was my child the guy would be praying for the cops to get there as soon as possible.

[Mkelcy]

Ohhh, a testosterone party! :cool: Can anyone play?

The guy was stopped, arrested and charged based on what the mother did, which didn't apparently involve a beat down.

All you macho types are going to accomplish with your various forms of proposed violence is a night in jail and, with luck, a dismissal of the assault charges.

Without luck, you'll get an expensive lawyer bill, maybe some more jail time, maybe lose your job and maybe have your family out on the street. But at least you will have put a beat down on the elderly perp so you could feel like a "real" man.

Ain't the internet wonderful - we're all invincible behind our keyboards.

[CRead01]

my first reaction is that this would never happen to me because I wouldn't let my child act like that in public.

My second reaction is NOBODY lays a hand on my child. a night in jail doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

[parsonsj]

I get a little bent when Grandma or Grandpa (the real ones, not some stranger in a store) discipline my children. Or my dog, for that matter, without my permission.

So I'd have been pretty upset. I'd like to think my brain is bigger than my reptilian core and that I could have refrained from assaulting the senior citizen, but it's hard to say. It seems that reason prevailed, and the child beater was dealt with severely.

jp

[Chicken Coupe]

What do you expect in a Wal-Mart?

http://peopleofwalmart.com/ :jawdrop:

[Eric Howell]

They should give these signs out at the door.

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[LowBuckX]

As a father of a 3 year old I woulda left the 61yr old layed out.

This is all the fault of the law makers who make it imposible to disipline your child in public. Thats why the kids act like fools at stores now >>> There are no consiquenses.. My child is slowly starting to realize that its go time when we get home if he is bad in the store..

[twosaturns]

Ohhh, a testosterone party! :cool: Can anyone play?

The guy was stopped, arrested and charged based on what the mother did, which didn't apparently involve a beat down.

All you macho types are going to accomplish with your various forms of proposed violence is a night in jail and, with luck, a dismissal of the assault charges.

Without luck, you'll get an expensive lawyer bill, maybe some more jail time, maybe lose your job and maybe have your family out on the street. But at least you will have put a beat down on the elderly perp so you could feel like a "real" man.

Ain't the internet wonderful - we're all invincible behind our keyboards.

you don't have kids, do you?

[cheapthrillz]

you don't have kids, do you?

My guess is that Mkelcy realizes that most of the kids in my generation (I am 22) and the succeeding generations didn't get there asses whooped enough while growing up. Getting your ass whopped instills values and morals. Ask me how I know... I used to get my ass tore up atleast once a day, and it was always my fault. I learned not to talk back to my parents, respect people and their belongings, etc. etc.

Now I realize what my Dad meant when he would say "I'm only doing this because I love you" as he would take his belt off.

[Mkelcy]

you don't have kids, do you?

Two - a daughter who is 33 and a son who is 26, as well as two grandchildren. Even on the internet, I try to live in the real world not some macho fantasy. If I were next to the guy while he was in the act, he would have been stopped and held for LEOs. In this case, it seems he was done before anyone could react. Nonetheless, he was held and is in jail.

I notice no one seems too concerned about the 2 year old who is the actual victim of the assault - it's all "I'd a put a whuppin' on the geezer" - and then the cops would have been called, there'd be two victims, there might have been two arrests (we're talking a Walmart scuffle here) and the kid might have spent some time in protective custody until its mother could have picked it up.

No, contrary to your attempted implication, a father's first duty is to the kid, not defending his own wounded pride.

[Brandon Miller]

I don't care what the child was or wasn't doing, you don't hit/slap a two year old in the face. Period. With the said, if my 2 yr old son was hit by another person, that person would have a mouth full of bloody chiclets.

[tumper93]

I think the old man went over board for sure. I got slapped as a child and I do not agree that that needs to be done at any time, period. However, that is up to the parents to make the choice as to how to disipline a child not a stranger. Talking about that, I was at Walmart last weekend and a man raised his hand up like he was going to back hand his 8-10 year old son right in front of me and my wife, for just asking a question while he was speaking. Well I didn't say anything but if eyes could have killed, mine would have definitely done it. I watched him until he was out of my site daring him to do it where I could see. If he had back handed the kid I was going to be all up in his grill. I would restain myself from touching him, unless of course I could provoke him to hit me like that. For some reason though since I do body build, I have this effect of looking like I mean business when I stare someone down....can't figure why!! Sometimes you just have to stand up for a child or a woman when that comes up....you know if he treatens his child like that he is bound to hit his wife...guess that is why she stayed quite.

[68Formula]

Ohhh, a testosterone party! :cool: Can anyone play?


No! :getout:



LOL!

[mikedc]

I understand parents nowaday do not discipline their children like in the old days. But thats up to the parents to decide, not some random stranger.

Agreed.



This child was also pretty young to expect slapping to work.

Technically a 2-year-old child could be a little as 12-13 months out of the womb. I could have at least umderstood the man's motivation a lot better if it was a 4yo brat running around.

[Tony_SS]

Two - a daughter who is 33 and a son who is 26, as well as two grandchildren. Even on the internet, I try to live in the real world not some macho fantasy. If I were next to the guy while he was in the act, he would have been stopped and held for LEOs. In this case, it seems he was done before anyone could react. Nonetheless, he was held and is in jail.

I notice no one seems too concerned about the 2 year old who is the actual victim of the assault - it's all "I'd a put a whuppin' on the geezer" - and then the cops would have been called, there'd be two victims, there might have been two arrests (we're talking a Walmart scuffle here) and the kid might have spent some time in protective custody until its mother could have picked it up.

No, contrary to your attempted implication, a father's first duty is to the kid, not defending his own wounded pride.

If I was on my own, I would've held him in a choke hold until LEO's arrived to protect my kid from anymore of his 'discipline'. If I was with my wife, and knowing my kids were cared for, I think I would've been selfish and broke the old mans nose.

On the subject of hitting kids.. I completely disagree with it. I can't stand when parents do that.. we have a 2yr old and a 1yr old and timeout, evil stink eye and the 'threat' of a spanking work perfectly. When parents spank or yell it's because they are the ones out of control.

[Brandon Miller]

If I was on my own, I would've held him in a choke hold until LEO's arrived to protect my kid from anymore of his 'discipline'. If I was with my wife, and knowing my kids were cared for, I think I would've been selfish and broke the old mans nose.

On the subject of hitting kids.. I completely disagree with it. I can't stand when parents do that.. we have a 2yr old and a 1yr old and timeout, evil stink eye and the 'threat' of a spanking work perfectly. When parents spank or yell it's because they are the ones out of control.


My son gets both spankings and timeout. Most times with a spanking he goes right back to what he was doing wrong. Timeout works because it stops him from what he was doing. He's at that age right now where he is seeing what he can get away with. He also gets toys taken away when he acts up and that works also. Yes I do spank my son at times when he acts up and needs it but it is usually only 1 or 2 times a week at the most. And just because I spank my son from time to time does not mean I am out of control.

[John Wright]

In my youth my mother would have sent me to the car but you can't do that anymore either.Jim I know what you mean, in my youth, I have been stood up beside the shopping cart and had my tail spanked right there in front of God and everybody, but not at 2 years old. Your trick of out screaming the child works pretty good, and also clears the isle of all the on-lookers...LOL
People frown on spankings(no not beatings) these days and it's a shame because taking care of business when kids are young helps them when they get older...but spanking your child in public can get your butt hauled off to jail today.

As for the stranger slapping my 2 yo child, I would probably have had to have some real (heaven sent) restraint to not leave him laying in the floor with a bloody nose. Now my neighbors have corrected me when I was a kid, but my parents had agreements with all of them to take care of any foolishness on the spot and I'd get it again when I got home.

[406 Q-ship]

Two - a daughter who is 33 and a son who is 26, as well as two grandchildren. Even on the internet, I try to live in the real world not some macho fantasy. If I were next to the guy while he was in the act, he would have been stopped and held for LEOs. In this case, it seems he was done before anyone could react. Nonetheless, he was held and is in jail.

I notice no one seems too concerned about the 2 year old who is the actual victim of the assault - it's all "I'd a put a whuppin' on the geezer" - and then the cops would have been called, there'd be two victims, there might have been two arrests (we're talking a Walmart scuffle here) and the kid might have spent some time in protective custody until its mother could have picked it up.

No, contrary to your attempted implication, a father's first duty is to the kid, not defending his own wounded pride.

Mike, I don't necessarily think that most people here would take the guy out because of wounded pride over their child getting hit by a stranger off the street. I do think that most would do it out of a parents natural reaction to protect their offspring, I believe you could have done damage to someone hitting one of your daughters back at that age and not out of malice but just out of unthought out protection. I would say most people would react before thinking when their child is being hurt by a complete stranger.

This the guy is out of his mind to be hitting a strange persons child because the child is crying, how about this if it bothers you that much more on to somewhere else. Who hits a 2 year old to get them to stop crying, last time I checked a child in pain usually keeps crying or crys louder (I guess this is why I never understood child abusers). I can see when people get ticked off because of a screaming chlid in a store or resturant and the parent does nothing about it, take the kid out outside at least. As it has been said earlier the kid could have had a inner ear infection with great pain (I had those up to the age of 6) so slapping a child in pain is inexcuseable, but forcing the rest of us to listen your little angel screaming at level 10 cause you don't want to be incovenienced is just a bit selfish. I don't think the old geezer should be convicted of a felony, but a good child abuse class would be a suitable punishment and maybe anger management.

Mike I hope your out of the path of the inferno.

[twosaturns]

Two - a daughter who is 33 and a son who is 26, as well as two grandchildren. Even on the internet, I try to live in the real world not some macho fantasy. If I were next to the guy while he was in the act, he would have been stopped and held for LEOs. In this case, it seems he was done before anyone could react. Nonetheless, he was held and is in jail.

I notice no one seems too concerned about the 2 year old who is the actual victim of the assault - it's all "I'd a put a whuppin' on the geezer" - and then the cops would have been called, there'd be two victims, there might have been two arrests (we're talking a Walmart scuffle here) and the kid might have spent some time in protective custody until its mother could have picked it up.

No, contrary to your attempted implication, a father's first duty is to the kid, not defending his own wounded pride.
I don't think you can say what my implication is. 'macho pride' has nothing to do w/ it (seriously, I go w/ my 6yo daughter to the aisle w/ the pound puppies girls toys in it!)
restraining the guy IS all about the kid. I don't know what you're reading here, but it sounds to me like most all of us would have prevented the guy from hitting the child, or for lack of preventing it, well, restraining him pretty forcefully. I've had hands raised towards me, and it didn't result in a drag out fight, just a forceful restraining (usually pulling his arm up around his back is enough).
you don't really need to be so accusatory.

[Ron L]

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[Mkelcy]

I don't think you can say what my implication is. 'macho pride' has nothing to do w/ it (seriously, I go w/ my 6yo daughter to the aisle w/ the pound puppies girls toys in it!)
restraining the guy IS all about the kid. I don't know what you're reading here, but it sounds to me like most all of us would have prevented the guy from hitting the child, or for lack of preventing it, well, restraining him pretty forcefully. I've had hands raised towards me, and it didn't result in a drag out fight, just a forceful restraining (usually pulling his arm up around his back is enough).
you don't really need to be so accusatory.

I have absolutely no issue with stopping the assault on the kid; I'd have done so forcefully myself.

The actions I'm questioning are what sound like a counter assault after the guy was done hitting the kid. Somehow the only parent present getting in a fight in front of a two year old kid who is already traumatized doesn't sound like the best parenting to me.

Here's my take: (1) take care of the kid; (2) if you can do so while personally taking care of the kid (pretty hard to do), detain the perp for the authorities.

It's a bad world out there, while you're struggling with the perp (he may not be quite as easy to take as you're all assuming) someone could snatch the child. So, to repeat - take care of the kid; anything after that is gravy.

As for my tone, twosaturns, when you suggest I don't know what I'm talking about - "you don't have kids, do you" - you don't exactly start off in a neutral position with me.

And you're right Karl, no one screwed with my kids, period. In my case, if this guy told me that if I didn't shut my child up or he would, he would have instantly reconsidered his next planned move and in any event would not have gotten near enough to touch my child.

The perp in this case was a bully - he cowed the mother and he struck a two year old. I suspect if he were faced with any of us, none of this would have happend.

[parsonsj]

The perp in this case was a bully - he cowed the mother and he struck a two year old. I suspect if he were faced with any of us, none of this would have happend.I agree. Bullies pick on people they perceive to be weaker than them, like a small child and its mother.

jp

[Knuckle Dragger]

I think if anyone makes a comment to me like "quite your kid or I am going to do it", I think I my nose would be about an RCH from his & I would say something like "I don't think that would be a wise decision on your part if you have any since at all".



I'm with you. It would never get past the old man telling me about it. I'd be sure he'd understand it wasn't going to happen like that. But my kids don't act that way so I figure I'll never be in the situation.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

some of you are acting like pu55ys...

if you had a kid.. youd know why some of us are hocked up about the "idea"

id gladly do a night in jail and spend a little money to BEAT the guys ass that THOUGHT he was going to lay a hand on my kid..

realistically this scenario is highly unlikely.. and its bugged out that it happened at all.. despite Walmart madness..

so my reaction is purely "once in a blue moon" status.. but if the situation presented itself.. which i hope it never does..

call me a meathead.. call me a bully.. but ill tell you this.. I will sleep GOOD that night in jail.. while hes sleep/coma in a hospital bed.

and to be honest.. i really dont care what you guys think about me on this particular situation.. i would be happy!

[Spiffav8]

I have absolutely no issue with stopping the assault on the kid; I'd have done so forcefully myself.

The actions I'm questioning are what sound like a counter assault after the guy was done hitting the kid. Somehow the only parent present getting in a fight in front of a two year old kid who is already traumatized doesn't sound like the best parenting to me.

Here's my take: (1) take care of the kid; (2) if you can do so while personally taking care of the kid (pretty hard to do), detain the perp for the authorities.

It's a bad world out there, while you're struggling with the perp (he may not be quite as easy to take as you're all assuming) someone could snatch the child. So, to repeat - take care of the kid; anything after that is gravy.

As for my tone, twosaturns, when you suggest I don't know what I'm talking about - "you don't have kids, do you" - you don't exactly start off in a neutral position with me.

And you're right Karl, no one screwed with my kids, period. In my case, if this guy told me that if I didn't shut my child up or he would, he would have instantly reconsidered his next planned move and in any event would not have gotten near enough to touch my child.

The perp in this case was a bully - he cowed the mother and he struck a two year old. I suspect if he were faced with any of us, none of this would have happend.

Not to throw stones here Mike, but you did come off a bit negative in your first response (or so it seemed). I 100% agree with your observation that he "cowed the mother" and by doing so was able to strike the child and that if it would have been a man with the child it probably would not have happened. The question is "how would you respond" and of course we are all different on that. You are correct by stating that the kids continued safety after the event is a serious consideration.

For me personally the authorities would have been notified via 911 after the first statement and I would have advised the 61 year old guy that I had done so. If that wasn't enough and he approached me (or my wife) again I would do everything to position my self between him and the child. If was dumb enough to continue he would end up 419 (dead). We all have every right to protect and defend our family and loved ones from bodily harm and I will do so without remorse. There are just to many crazy people in the world these days. That is why both my wife and I carry on a daily basis (my wife is one hell of a shot). If my actions get me an over night tour of the local jail, so be it. Don't take my statement to mean that I am trigger happy in anyway. I am only saying that I would do whatever it takes to defend my child (or loved ones). Yeah it would suck to find out the guy had some kind of mental problem, but how would you know that? All one can do is react to what they know and what is happening in the moment.

Just my two cents.

[buickfunnycar.com]

I certainly know how the guy feels...this must be why I don't have kids.

[406 Q-ship]

I certainly know how the guy feels...this must be why I don't have kids.

I don't have kids either and I can see both sides. It still doesn't change the fact that the old guy bullied the Mother and abused a child he had no right be near, there is nothing any toddler could do to an stranger that would justify the adult to strike the child in anyway.

[PT Sportwagon]

my first reaction is that this would never happen to me because I wouldn't let my child act like that in public.


Yeah, my kids know better or they know what would happen. The problem with this world today is the kids are not disciplined. My kids had never had a time out. neither me nor my wife believe it that. they act up they get a count, they hit three they get it on the behind. it only took about 2 times hitting three and anymore all I have to do is start at "ONE" by "TWO" they stop.
All Three of my sons(12,15,21) respect and love me and their mother. They are also not afraid to give us a hug in front of others or their friends.

Tim

[mc84_zz4]

If it were me, he'd be unconscious in a split second,
if it were Momma bear, he'd get a broken jaw, skinned alive, trampled, beaten to a pulp, and then lit on fire.

Don't you DARE mess with Momma's babies.... LOL.

[shmoov69]

RICK FLAIR!!! WHOOOOOO!!!!
Lmao!

What would I do? I don't honestly know, after I pulled my jaw off the floor that is! The kid was prolly a brat, but 2 nontheless, and waay too young to slap in the face. A rapp to the butt definately, but certianly not from a stranger.
But like was already said, this prolly wouldn't happen to our kids because I think most of us wouldn't let our kid get out of controll.

And on another note, "threats of spanking", but no action? That will only work a short while, so you better enjoy it while you can! I do realize that some kids respond better to time outs, but the vast majority do not and NEED an "attitude adjustment".

[Tony_SS]

RICK FLAIR!!! WHOOOOOO!!!!
Lmao!

What would I do? I don't honestly know, after I pulled my jaw off the floor that is! The kid was prolly a brat, but 2 nontheless, and waay too young to slap in the face. A rapp to the butt definately, but certianly not from a stranger.
But like was already said, this prolly wouldn't happen to our kids because I think most of us wouldn't let our kid get out of controll.

And on another note, "threats of spanking", but no action? That will only work a short while, so you better enjoy it while you can! I do realize that some kids respond better to time outs, but the vast majority do not and NEED an "attitude adjustment".

My sons 2.. he's been spanked before so he knows what its like.. and knows he doesnt like it.. so now all it takes is the threat when he starts acting up. We laid some good ground work so we don't have to spank now. It works great so far. So does the 1 - 2 - 3 thing cause he knows when it gets to 3 he's going in time out and he can't stand sitting in a corner.

2 y/o's are the toughest.. its make or break them before they're 3. If you don't discipline them well before they're 3 things will not get any easier. I agree about too many parents not disciplining their kids and spoiling the crap out of them. And although not justified, that's probably where the old mans actions came from.

[BADVELLE]

So if your kid is having a tantrum in the store just start acting like them and embarrass the hell out of them and teach them that others won't care either.

I like the way you think Jim! I will try this next time!

[MarkM66]

The old fu@k should of moved to a different area of the store.

Seriosly, if he would of done that to one of my kids. I would of waited for him to leave the store, followed him and found out where he lived, one year later he'd all of a sudden be missing. :machine:

I can hold a grudge for ever.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

i can also say this..

Ive spent money on stupider things so i wouldnt mind paying a few grand to knock a muthafu ka-out.

[venturabeachpup]

Good intentions or not, the old guy doesn't deserve a felony charge of "cruelty to children in the first degree". A lesser charge, sure.f

it's good to see a couple of folks looking at both sides of this story.


I would have to agree with you on the felony charge but for a different reason. Convicted of a felony he would be protected from ME behind bars. Please please please reduce it to a misdeameaner, let him walk so I can finally test my GLOCK on human flesh.

No joke. You just don't mess with peoples kids.

[tones2SS]

He should'a slapped the mother.


I'm kidding of course.


That said, too few parents discipline their children any longer.

VERY TRUE MY MAN!!!
But, if that were kid, that the fool had slapped?!? It would be game on, whether he was 16, 61 or whatever age.:machine::machine:

[dcozzi]

A stranger slapping my 2 year old daughter several times? I would shatter the bones in my right hand against his face. At 61 years old, he would be lucky to survive. Then I would wait to go to jail.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Our shop is across the street from a Super Walmart. On the first of the month when the food stamps come out it is easy to see why cousins should not have children!

I HATE going there during daytime hours, I like to sneak in and out late at night when the roaches are crawling around their own house.

[megaladon6]

i don't have kids so the emotional response isn't there. however, the guy should not have slapped the kid, but he didn't hurt her at all. he did what people did for decades and it worked for decades. now were too politically correct and kids have no discipline or self control.
i agree, he should have slapped the mother.
hopefully the charges get dropped.

[68Formula]

he did what people did for decades and it worked for decades.

People did not go around slapping strangers kids decades ago either.


i agree, he should have slapped the mother.

Also assult. A crying child doesn't justify assult.



hopefully the charges get dropped.

Hopefully not. He may not have hurt that baby, but he easily could have. Ever heard of shaken baby syndrome? He assulted a baby. That is not ok.

[megaladon6]

he lightly slapped a 2yr old. she had "slightly reddened cheeks" i believe was the line. i'll bet you that he has kids and when they've misbehaved he's lightly slapped them in the face and they shut the hell up. now, he shouldn't have done it to a strangers kid, but when i was a kid if you screwed up at your friends house you could get spanked by their parents, then go home and get spanked by yours. guess what? i behaved! or before my time, you might get slapped upside the head by a complete stranger for being an complete idiot.
of course it would never happen to a 2yr old, because parents actually disciplined their kids back then. it's a rare thing these days.
as to the comment that he go to the other side of the store, why? the other side of the store is not where he's shopping. what he needed is where he was.
and if the woman won't take care of her kid, she deserves to get slapped.

[Knuckle Dragger]

of course it would never happen to a 2yr old, because parents actually disciplined their kids back then. it's a rare thing these days.


I love hearing this statement. People don't discipline their children anymore. Let me ask how you know this, is there a study or is it just the trendy thing to say? I remember hearing it 40 years when I was a kid. If fact it seems to me people always talk about how this or that was better back in the day. I figure it's changing perceptions aswe get older. IT was always better back in the day.

There were bratty kids in the 60's 70's,80's 90's and so far well into the next century. I'm guessing many of the "parents don't discipline their kids anymore crowd" have never dealt with a tired child. Sometimes there just isn't much you can do. It sounds cool to be self righteous and blame the parents, and sometimes justified. But it's a reality well behaved kids with good parents have bad days too.

I know lots of people with kids, and each and everyone of them take great care of their children and it shows. They behave well 90% of the time. I'm guessing looking from the out side (especially by those without children) even that 10% gives someone cause to express their disdain because "the parents don't discipline the child"

IMO if you have to repeatedly strike a child to get them to behave you're doing something wrong.

[Samckitt]

IMO if you have to repeatedly strike a child to get them to behave you're doing something wrong.

You're not putting enough muscle into your swing? LOL

[muthstryker]

Would of broken his hip. nuff said.

[David Pozzi]

I love hearing this statement. People don't discipline their children anymore. Let me ask how you know this, is there a study or is it just the trendy thing to say? I remember hearing it 40 years when I was a kid. If fact it seems to me people always talk about how this or that was better back in the day. I figure it's changing perceptions aswe get older. IT was always better back in the day.

There were bratty kids in the 60's 70's,80's 90's and so far well into the next century. I'm guessing many of the "parents don't discipline their kids anymore crowd" have never dealt with a tired child. Sometimes there just isn't much you can do. It sounds cool to be self righteous and blame the parents, and sometimes justified. But it's a reality well behaved kids with good parents have bad days too.

I know lots of people with kids, and each and everyone of them take great care of their children and it shows. They behave well 90% of the time. I'm guessing looking from the out side (especially by those without children) even that 10% gives someone cause to express their disdain because "the parents don't discipline the child"

IMO if you have to repeatedly strike a child to get them to behave you're doing something wrong.

In the 50's kids were at home or in school, not out shopping with mom. Mom stayed home and Dad worked, less Divorced couples back then too.

Personally I see a lot more of parents neglecting to tell the kids anything when they act up. Running and screaming in Restaurants or stores, - the parents don't even batt an eye. If the parent would at least glance at the kid once in a while and look like they cared at all, I'd be fine with it, but total indifference shows they don't care how much their kid bothers others. Sure there are plenty of well behaved kids, they don't get noticed as much as one screaming kid.

No excuse for slapping someone else's kid though.
David

[megaladon6]

i didn't mean that there isn't a single parent out there that disciplines their kids. but i base my statement on my observations in public and on my friends.

Personally I see a lot more of parents neglecting to tell the kids anything when they act up. Running and screaming in Restaurants or stores, - the parents don't even batt an eye. If the parent would at least glance at the kid once in a while and look like they cared at all, I'd be fine with it, but total indifference shows they don't care how much their kid bothers others. Sure there are plenty of well behaved kids, they don't get noticed as much as one screaming kid
couldn't have said it better myself.
hell, they want to make spanking "child abuse" WTF?

[novanutcase]

Gotta agree with Vengance on this one.

You touch my kid= you hit the floor

No questions asked!

John

[Project69]

I would have him handcuffed with a face full of spray and begging for his life.

[Tony_SS]

In the 50's kids were at home or in school, not out shopping with mom. Mom stayed home and Dad worked, less Divorced couples back then too.

So where should a 2yo be? In day care?


Sure there are plenty of well behaved kids, they don't get noticed as much as one screaming kid.

Exactly. It's all what you focus on.

People who don't have kids have no business even posting their .02 in this thread. Anyone who thinks you can control a 2yo 100% of the time isnt speaking from experience.

[Jim Nilsen]

Everytime I see this thread I keep hearing this person in Walmart saying over the PA " Customer needs assistance in isle 5 someone please call 911 for an ambulance"

Going to walmart will never be the same for me after this thread.

I am with most of you that would have gone ballistic on the guy. As old as he was he is really lucky some you weren't the parent or maybe he would have had heart failure due to you ripping it out.

I wonder if it was caught on a camera?

Next thing you know there will be a lwasuit against walmart for something only an ambulance chasing lawyer can think up.

Hopefully this will get the attention of anyone who has a crying kid in any store and anyone who can't take it anymore and maybe something good will come from it. I really hope so.

[Jim Nilsen]

The old fu@k should of moved to a different area of the store.

Seriosly, if he would of done that to one of my kids. I would of waited for him to leave the store, followed him and found out where he lived, one year later he'd all of a sudden be missing. :machine:

I can hold a grudge for ever.

You must have seen the cop show I once saw years ago where the one cop said to the other " You know what they call the perfect murder don't you? A missing person !!!

I'll remember not to ever make you mad enough to follow me,lol.

[JEFFTATE]

Kids need a spanking sometimes.
The parents should do it.
Not a stranger.
I'd spank my kids in a store.

[Ron L]

In the 50's kids were at home or in school, not out shopping with mom. Mom stayed home and Dad worked, less Divorced couples back then too.Those dads that worked are the old farts today bitching about how his kid never done this or that. It's because he was never there. Working full time to afford your kids you only see 2 hours a day while your spouse does the rest of the upbringing doesn't offer much parenting experience.


People who don't have kids have no business even posting their .02 in this thread. Anyone who thinks you can control a 2yo 100% of the time isnt speaking from experience.
This should be the thread title. It's always the ones with no kids or have their spouse/sitter/in-laws raise kids for them that come up with the dumbest responses.

[Jarcaines]

I understand parents nowaday do not discipline their children like in the old days. But thats up to the parents to decide, not some random stranger.

Bingo!

[Jarcaines]

I love hearing this statement. People don't discipline their children anymore. Let me ask how you know this, is there a study or is it just the trendy thing to say? I remember hearing it 40 years when I was a kid. If fact it seems to me people always talk about how this or that was better back in the day. I figure it's changing perceptions aswe get older. IT was always better back in the day.

There were bratty kids in the 60's 70's,80's 90's and so far well into the next century. I'm guessing many of the "parents don't discipline their kids anymore crowd" have never dealt with a tired child. Sometimes there just isn't much you can do. It sounds cool to be self righteous and blame the parents, and sometimes justified. But it's a reality well behaved kids with good parents have bad days too.

I know lots of people with kids, and each and everyone of them take great care of their children and it shows. They behave well 90% of the time. I'm guessing looking from the out side (especially by those without children) even that 10% gives someone cause to express their disdain because "the parents don't discipline the child"

IMO if you have to repeatedly strike a child to get them to behave you're doing something wrong.

Totally agree.

[BonzoHansen]

People did not go around slapping strangers kids decades ago either.



Also assult. A crying child doesn't justify assult.




Hopefully not. He may not have hurt that baby, but he easily could have. Ever heard of shaken baby syndrome? He assulted a baby. That is not ok.

Dead on. The end does not justify the means. You just don't go hitting people.


I'm not as macho as some folks I guess. I'm guessing I'd have shoved the bas***d away, grabbed my kid & dialed 911. It's always better for my kid if the charges are being pressed against someone other than me.

And my kids (5, 8) don't act up like that in public. I guess mine fall under that group that "don't get noticed as much as one screaming kid.". I agree with much of Mr. Pozzi's and Mr. Kelcy’s comments. And I never would have guessed Mike was old enough for grandkids!

And Tony is right about having kids & experience. Experience changes your vantage point, be it kids or engine building. It is way easier to talk the talk than to walk the walk.

[cheapthrillz]

So where should a 2yo be? In day care?
People who don't have kids have no business even posting their .02 in this thread. Anyone who thinks you can control a 2yo 100% of the time isnt speaking from experience.

I don't have any, but I have a sister who is 10 years younger than me. Instead of cutting grass for money, I babysat (had to cut grass for free). I am good with kids, and I know that NO kid is good 100% of the time, but my sister grew up respecting me (not my brother) and even calls me "sir" most of the time. I don't think you have to have kids to be able to post in this thread.....

When I do have kids though, I will not think twice about a spanking in public... I know I got them when I was growing up. And if my kid is tired, I won't be dragging them to wal-mart or anywhere else...

Went to the zoo this weekend. It's amazing how many parents drag their infants places that should be "fun" for them, but the kid is so young they'll never remember it... The parents are just asking for a headache if you ask me...

[John Wright]

They should give these signs out at the door.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/64.jpg


LOL...I had to laugh at the sign on the baby carrier in that pic^^^

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/64-1.jpg

[Tony_SS]

I don't have any, but I have a sister who is 10 years younger than me. Instead of cutting grass for money, I babysat (had to cut grass for free). I am good with kids, and I know that NO kid is good 100% of the time, but my sister grew up respecting me (not my brother) and even calls me "sir" most of the time. I don't think you have to have kids to be able to post in this thread.....

When I do have kids though, I will not think twice about a spanking in public... I know I got them when I was growing up. And if my kid is tired, I won't be dragging them to wal-mart or anywhere else...

Went to the zoo this weekend. It's amazing how many parents drag their infants places that should be "fun" for them, but the kid is so young they'll never remember it... The parents are just asking for a headache if you ask me...

Sorry.. babysitting doesn't count. lol!

Until you and your wife bring home a day old baby (or two) from the hospital and try to raise and take care of it, along with everything else life throws your way, your opinions are not relevant.

Just so you know, a 2yr old doesn't get tired when its convenient for you. They don't give you a heads up before they get sick or crabby. Diarrhea and puke happen - at the worst times. And most of all, moms need a break. They don't want to stay inside all day with kids, so they take them out, even to the zoo. They can't very well leave the kids in the kennel like a dog. And all the family members who promised to baby sit while the she was pregnant suddenly become invisible.

So yeah, its really neat to be a pompous know-it-all and bitch about some screaming kids with their horrible parents. (yes I know they exist) But it's always the people without any experience who know it all and they'll be the first ones to tell you "when I have kids I'm never going to let them act that way!"

[cheapthrillz]

....your opinions are not relevant.

Thanks, I guess I'll just shut the **** up and stay out of this one since I know nothing....

[Tony_SS]

Did I forget teething? Teething babies and toddlers are great. And then come the molars. Try a 2yr old cutting 3 molars at once. Any non parents want to give their .02 on that one?

But yeah, lets just smack the kids up, blame the parents and talk about the good ol days.

[6'9"Witha69]

And all the family members who promised to baby sit while the she was pregnant suddenly become invisible.
Ain't that the truth!!

[buickfunnycar.com]

But yeah, lets just smack the kids up, blame the parents and talk about the good ol days...

Works for me...

[68Formula]

Did I forget teething? Teething babies and toddlers are great. And then come the molars. Try a 2yr old cutting 3 molars at once. Any non parents want to give their .02 on that one?

Tony, Tony, Tony. Just because kids 2yrs and under can't yet speak and by nature use crying as a means of communicating their basic needs doesn't mean the simple techniques prescribed by the childless parenting experts won't work.

Crying because of:
Teething (or other pain) -Slap them!
Colic - Slap them!
Hungry - Slap them!
Thirsty - Slap them!
Need a nap - Slap them!
Soiled diaper or pull-up - Slap them!

Big head gets in the way while you're trying to watch the episode on "Cops" where you get arrested - Slap them!

See, works for all occasions. :bsjerk:

Serves them right for using the only method they can to commuciate something is wrong.

Have to go now, my kid is crying because he tripped and fell, so I should probably go slap him.

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People without kids - It's like someone whose never grown a plant trying to tell a horticulturist he's doing it wrong.

[Knuckle Dragger]

Tony, Tony, Tony. Just because kids 2yrs and under can't yet speak and by nature use crying as a means of communicating their basic needs doesn't mean the simple techniques prescribed by the childless parenting experts won't work.

Crying because of:
Teething (or other pain) -Slap them!
Colic - Slap them!
Hungry - Slap them!
Thirsty - Slap them!
Need a nap - Slap them!
Soiled diaper or pull-up - Slap them!

Big head gets in the way while you're trying to watch the episode on "Cops" where you get arrested - Slap them!

See, works for all occasions. :bsjerk:

Serves them right for using the only method they can to commuciate something is wrong.

Have to go now, my kid is crying because he tripped and fell, so I should probably go slap him.

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People without kids - It's like someone whose never grown a plant trying to tell a horticulturist he's doing it wrong.


I always enjoy the statement of "I'd beat his azz" in response to any kid you see miss behaving. Like the act of beating the child is what changes their behavior. Beat them enough and they will understand, and conform to your rules.:rolleyes: Spanking is one part of the process, not the end all fix all to the situation. If you spank for everything where do you go when it quits working?

[shmoov69]

Good grief people! Can you all take it to any farther extremes?!?!!
Anyone with half a brain (which I'm sure most of you have more) knows that there needs to be BALANCE to everything. And I'm sure that most comments (even by those "irrelevant" people) are meaning things in a balanced way. Sheesh! Get over it! We all have different ways and I'm sure all are wrong and all are right, just depends who you ask.

But we do all agree, you don't go around slapping someone elses kid, much less baby!

Are we done here. Lol!

[formula]

sweet god you people are all f*cking ridiculous. I wish I was a mod so I could just lock the sh*t out of this thread.

This isn't a parenting forum and it seems to me that all of us have better things to do with our time than this--either taking care of our kids for those that have them, or trying to make some kids for those that don't.

[cheapthrillz]

sweet god you people are all f*cking ridiculous. I wish I was a mod so I could just lock the sh*t out of this thread.

This isn't a parenting forum and it seems to me that all of us have better things to do with our time than this--either taking care of our kids for those that have them, or trying to make some kids for those that don't.

MAKING KIDS! I like the sound of that....:smoke:

[buickfunnycar.com]

sweet god you people are all f*cking ridiculous. I wish I was a mod so I could just lock the sh*t out of this thread.

This isn't a parenting forum and it seems to me that all of us have better things to do with our time than this--either taking care of our kids for those that have them, or trying to make some kids for those that don't.

why are you still reading if it bothers you so much...?