Wider is better.. an ode to Trans Am cars

[Steve1968LS2]

I have always dug Trans Am cars. The way they flared and stretched out the quarters just made the car look super cool.

So, when Chris over at JCG Customs told me he had worked out a way to "stretch" out the quarters on Camaros I was interested. I didn't want to mini-tub the car, but this was something different. He offers a 1" and a 2" stretch, but I figured we might as well go all in on this (or out in this case).

The quarter is litterly cut away on three sides and then "pulled" away from the car. Then the material is added to the three sides and they are pulled back to the car. As a result I now have just over 14 inches of clearance. Enough for a 315-inch tire. That's without mini-tubbing! If we did mini-tub (even if we didn't notch the frame) we could easily fit a 335, but 315 is the max I want to go with.

Best of all it gives the car a wider look. It's hard to catch in a pic, but I tried. This is a 325/19 tire since we didn't have a 315 to test fit. It BARELY fit, which means a 315/18 will easily fit.

Downsides is that it's about 20+ hours of labor. Also, the rear bumper on a 67/68 has to be modified (a '69 is fine). In fact, this looks killer on a '69 and is even more subtle (and a bit easier).

We are toying with the idea of doing the front fenders one inch to carry over the "wide" look.

I feel a little bad since I screwed up the bodywork done by Best Of Show, but they can get it back to paint ready without breaking a sweat. The story was just too unique and interesting not to do.

So, here's where we left off yesterday. All the seams still need to be stitch welded and ground down. Keep in mind we didn't touch the inner wheelhouse.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/29koq4i-1.jpg

Here's from the back. We later filled in the resulting gap between the quarter and the rear panel.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/11uc1z5-1.jpg

Thanks to Cris and the crew at JCG Restorations and Customs!

[Bill Howell]

Nice! Do you have a shot standing at the rear so you can see the difference bulging out?

[Ron S]

I did a 1" bulge on my Camaro.The nice part is that you can kind of shape them around the tires,and can hardly tell,unlike my Mustang.LOL

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/423142935_WSbbPL-1.jpg

[Damn True]

Nice bulge!

[Yelcamino]

Nice bulge!

:pat:

[Steve1968LS2]

Nice! Do you have a shot standing at the rear so you can see the difference bulging out?


Yea, but it's from up high so you can't tell much.

I need to get one from farther back and lower but there was a wall in the way.

[Steve1968LS2]

Here's a crappy pic but you can somewhat tell.

The change from stock was right around 2 inches. It did raise the wheel lip up about 3/4 of an inch.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/t89cw1-1.jpg

[Bill Howell]

I likey. I wonder how that would look on a convertible....

[Steve1968LS2]

I likey. I wonder how that would look on a convertible....

Good,, the car would seem even wider..

[rogue]

interesting. Might have to consider this over minitubbing when I get around to paint/body.

One of my concerns would be in the case of an accident, reworking the quarters would cost a fortune... Race cars get panel damage.

[rogue]

Did I mention how thankful I am to be in Socal. I bookmark every shop you mention Steve. Thanks again.

[MrQuick]

subtle is good...subtle is good...

[Steve1968LS2]

interesting. Might have to consider this over minitubbing when I get around to paint/body.

One of my concerns would be in the case of an accident, reworking the quarters would cost a fortune... Race cars get panel damage.

I guess if you had a race car you would have to worry.. ;)

There would be more labor than just replacing a panel, but not at TON more since you already have the panel off.

You can do this and a mini-tub, but you wouldn't have to notch the frame.

It's not for everyone, but I thought it was pretty unique.

[rogue]

I guess if you had a race car you would have to worry.. ;)

There would be more labor than just replacing a panel, but not at TON more since you already have the panel off.

You can do this and a mini-tub, but you wouldn't have to notch the frame.

It's not for everyone, but I thought it was pretty unique.

Agreed. I dig it. Is this one of the shops you've used for bodywork/paint? They look like they do some nice work. I'm looking for a capable shop to do my G-bar, minitub, cage, and paint/body. Might have to pay them a visit next time I drop down through oxnard to malibu.

[Vegas69]

I would have to do front and back. I'm not crazy about the thought of the profile being different 2" front to back. I'd also have to wonder if that effects the handling and the balance of the chassis. I would say it almost has to.

[Steve1968LS2]

Agreed. I dig it. Is this one of the shops you've used for bodywork/paint? They look like they do some nice work. I'm looking for a capable shop to do my G-bar, minitub, cage, and paint/body. Might have to pay them a visit next time I drop down through oxnard to malibu.

Yea, cool shop.. they do a ton of fab work. I imagine Oxnard it much closer to you compared to San Marcos. lol

It's a new deal that Cris had done before so I took the car there from BOS.. It will be back at BOS for finish bodywork and paint in a couple of weeks.

[Steve1968LS2]

I would have to do front and back. I'm not crazy about the thought of the profile being different 2" front to back. I'd also have to wonder if that effects the handling and the balance of the chassis. I would say it almost has to.

Why? especially in the back. A wider track should create more stability.

In the front you would only do and inch and it wouldn't be so much so you could run the front tires wider but so that you would have more compression room.

[WS6]

Very cool. How did they account for the curvature of the fender as you go down? Let me try and explain. Most wider body type kits move the whole fender out so the curvature of the side is the same it's just now x inches further out. Since they wedged it out at the bottom, did they bend it back in at the bottom a little to retain the curvature? Did that make any sense?

Can this be done to a second gen :)

[Tom Welch]

More info please, this is too cool/useful to leave the details out.

[Steve1968LS2]

Very cool. How did they account for the curvature of the fender as you go down? Let me try and explain. Most wider body type kits move the whole fender out so the curvature of the side is the same it's just now x inches further out. Since they wedged it out at the bottom, did they bend it back in at the bottom a little to retain the curvature? Did that make any sense?

Can this be done to a second gen :)

Cris did a 2nd gen already.. but I think you can only go an inch since the distance from the front of the wheel opening is so much closer to the door jamb.

They did a lot of bodywork to get the curvature right, mostly in the front of the wheel opening. This is only the third one they've done so they keep perfecting the method.

For instance they use a donor quarter panel (the smaller one) and use the section around the wheel lip to build an "inner" fender.. in effect it makes it "double walled". They also add a steel rod to the inner lip to give it more strength. It's a good amount of work.

There will be a compete story in a future issue of Camaro Performers.

[Vegas69]

I guess the first thought that comes to mind is my 68 in high school with the tires in the back sticking out of the fenders with a wider track out back. You know....80's style. I realize you are tucking the tires. I stil think you need to widen the front.. JMO

[Steve1968LS2]

I guess the first thought that comes to mind is my 68 in high school with the tires in the back sticking out of the fenders with a wider track out back. You know....80's style. I realize you are tucking the tires. I stil think you need to widen the front.. JMO

I would agree and I'm leaning that way.. BOS is gonna kill me when they have to re-massage fenders to though.. lol

Should give the car a unique look.

[shizzy]

that is an amazing idea. I love those subtle things. I have wanted to do this to my Cutlass for years, but its a very square sided car and I dont think it could be pulled off.

[Vegas69]

I love the trans am look on a 68 so I'm all in, just not on one end.

[formula]

two things or you will be dealt the dreaded GTFO smiley:

1) flare the fronts.

2) moar pics/2nd gen pics!


....please?

[Steve1968LS2]

two things or you will be dealt the dreaded GTFO smiley:

1) flare the fronts.

2) moar pics/2nd gen pics!


....please?

I don't have pics of the 2nd gen.. I will try when go back there..

However, here's a shot I did for the magazine of a '69 with a two inch rear stretch and nothing done to the front.

Looks very cool, although (like I said) the '69 comes out even more subtle. Notice the angle of the gills.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/2r3gfnl-1.jpg

[Damn True]

I did a 1" bulge on my Camaro.The nice part is that you can kind of shape them around the tires,and can hardly tell,unlike my Mustang.LOL

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/423142935_WSbbPL-1.jpg

Without making another reference to your bulge.....did you use the same method? Do you have any photos of the process? Did you do the front as well? (must resist "bulge in the front" joke)

['70rs]

I'd really like to see this on a second gen. Nice work!

[TonyHuntimer]

Steven,

I might be wrong...but WS6 (Trey) may be asking how much the belt-line body line was effected. By the pie-wedge at the bottom, I can only assume the belt-line on the quarter panel "peaks" upward at the wheelwell opening. Loows great from the pics so far though. BOS is going to give you 50 lashes!

[MCMLXIX]

I wanted something like this on my 67 Chevelle...

[Ron S]

Without making another reference to your bulge.....did you use the same method? Do you have any photos of the process? Did you do the front as well? (must resist "bulge in the front" joke)

I'm not going to lie,my personal bulge is pretty impressive.The cars front is about 3/4" about half my personal one. LOL.The back was done similar to what is in the other pics,but the front was done without adding any metal.Its harder then you think to put a 275/35 on the front of these cars(at least with a low ride height)I love the tires right out on the edge. http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/gallery/6635118_PayN4

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/423152406_ZZzSfL-1.jpg


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/423152917_GBkvEL-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/423152567_SqvNML-1.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

Tony,

The beltline body line on mine was unchanged, but you have to work at that. Lots of metal was added to the front and rear of the quarter plus several pieces in the wheelhouse to "fill in the gaps" caused by pulling out the quarter.

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm not going to lie,my personal bulge is pretty impressive.The cars front is about 3/4" about half my personal one.The back was done similar to what is in the other pics,but the front was done without adding any metal.Its harder then you think to put a 275/35 on the front of these cars(at least with a low ride height)I love the tires right out on the edge. http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/gallery/6635118_PayN4



I would be curious how you did the front without adding metal (did you have to cut?

[Steve Chryssos]

NICE! VEry clean and subtle. In the old days, I believe they used a sandbag and a BFH to progressively stretch the metal. Effective, but not as clean and consistent as your approach--especially at the beltline.

We're taking a more direct approach on the current build at Jake's Rod Shop. We'll formally introduce the project in two weeks when it is on the ground. Just waiting on one of the wheel/tire sets. Pic shows flares and metal work resulting from wheelbase change. Nice to see that flares are making a comeback!!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Twentyover]

I'll be honest and saw I'm having trouble visualizing the process. The fender is cut on three sides? Which three? are there any in process images available so I can get the idea through a relatively thick skull?

[Ron S]

Tony,

The beltline body line on mine was unchanged, but you have to work at that. Lots of metal was added to the front and rear of the quarter plus several pieces in the wheelhouse to "fill in the gaps" caused by pulling out the quarter.

I did have to make a few well placed cuts,and remove the lip completely.Used an english wheel to get the arch I wanted,once again,the hard part is making both sides the same.Replaced the lip with a 1/4 rod,which allows you to get the tire right out on the edge and make any adjustments before you start the mud work. Ron

[yellowrallys]

what is required of the outer wheel house? (the opposite of where a mini tub would normally be) Does it get stretched too?

[69stang]

I'm interested in this for my mustang. I planned on using a new quarter skin and outer wheel house on the rear. Trim the old qtr away leaving ~3" around the perimeter. Cut only the lip area of the old outer wheelhouse. Weld the new outer wheelhouse to the new qtr skin. I was thinking about 2" bump out so mark and trim both outer wheelhouses to mate up. Tack new skin in place. Work (cut, section, slit, bump) the metal of the new qtr and the 3" of the old qtr to blend smoothly. Not sure how easy/difficult it will be. Fill in any gaps, again, blend it all smoothly. On the front I'm going to cut and move out the stock flare and fill in the gap.

[dipren443]

I'll be honest and saw I'm having trouble visualizing the process. The fender is cut on three sides? Which three? are there any in process images available so I can get the idea through a relatively thick skull?


Going to take a shot at this... The two sides and bottom are cut... the top edge is left in tact, being the hinge so to speak... Metal is added to the sides and bottom to line everything up.

Steve, what do you think is the easier of the two processes for widening??? This, or splitting the fender/quarter right in the middle of the wheelhouse and doing the bulge from the center? I think this new method seems to provide a much more subtle flare, but causes some additional work with the bumper and lining up at the door?!?!

All just speculation on my part...

[Damn True]

I did have to make a few well placed cuts,and remove the lip completely.Used an english wheel to get the arch I wanted,once again,the hard part is making both sides the same.Replaced the lip with a 1/4 rod,which allows you to get the tire right out on the edge and make any adjustments before you start the mud work. Ron

I'd love to see the photos of the process if they exist.

[Damn True]

NICE! VEry clean and subtle. In the old days, I believe they used a sandbag and a BFH to progressively stretch the metal. Effective, but not as clean and consistent as your approach--especially at the beltline.

We're taking a more direct approach on the current build at Jake's Rod Shop. We'll formally introduce the project in two weeks when it is on the ground. Just waiting on one of the wheel/tire sets. Pic shows flares and metal work resulting from wheelbase change. Nice to see that flares are making a comeback!!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

That looks expensive.

[Ron S]

I'd love to see the photos of the process if they exist.

Hate to say it True,but I did this long before I really started taking alot of pictures of my junk.The link has a couple of the 1/4" rod being installed,but not alot else. http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/gallery/6635118_PayN4

[Ron S]

NICE! VEry clean and subtle. In the old days, I believe they used a sandbag and a BFH to progressively stretch the metal. Effective, but not as clean and consistent as your approach--especially at the beltline.

We're taking a more direct approach on the current build at Jake's Rod Shop. We'll formally introduce the project in two weeks when it is on the ground. Just waiting on one of the wheel/tire sets. Pic shows flares and metal work resulting from wheelbase change. Nice to see that flares are making a comeback!!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Take it from one who knows,this process is alot harder then it looks,not on the metal work side,(there are alot of guys that can do that),but getting the proportions right,a half an inch off here or there,an it looks stupid.Then again,I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Ron

[hotrdblder]

what is required of the outer wheel house? (the opposite of where a mini tub would normally be) Does it get stretched too?
On our project, we are custom making new outers, which attach higher on the 1/4 panel, to allow for a lower ride height, and have the correct amount of clearance. Nothing worse then smoke rolling out of a wheel well.

[Damn True]

Hate to say it True,but I did this long before I really started taking alot of pictures of my junk.The link has a couple of the 1/4" rod being installed,but not alot else. http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/gallery/6635118_PayN4



bwahahahahahah!

[hotrdblder]

Take it from one who knows,this process is alot harder then it looks,not on the metal work side,(there are alot of guys that can do that),but getting the proportions right,a half an inch off here or there,an it looks stupid.Then again,I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Ron
what do you mean ron? it cant be done in 3 hrs, lol

[WS6]

I think I hear the wheels turning in True's head. Am I wrong or are you thinking flared fenders of some sort now, True? I say do it. I love flares when they aren't godawful huge. The flares being done on Track Rat( I assume that's the car Steve is having worked) and Jake's new project look great to me.

I'd love to see a flared second gen that looks subtle/presentable. These cars have the lines of the C3 vettes only with less buldge to the fenders. I can't see it hurting to flare them out just a little more.

[hotrdblder]

I think I hear the wheels turning in True's head. Am I wrong or are you thinking flared fenders of some sort now, True? I say do it. I love flares when they aren't godawful huge. The flares being done on Track Rat( I assume that's the car Steve is having worked) and Jake's new project look great to me.

I'd love to see a flared second gen that looks subtle/presentable. These cars have the lines of the C3 vettes only with less buldge to the fenders. I can't see it hurting to flare them out just a little more.
keep your eyes out for our new 2nd gen with some mild treatment done to the wheel wells.

[MuscleRodz]

Well since everyone else is posting pics of there bulges, I will post how I did the front on Wildfire. I did a bulge and a 1" pinch on my car. This is as far as I got before I sold it, still had quite a bit of metal work to do before it was finished and I was happy. Car will be coming back to finish the job when the new owner returns from Iraq. We may be doing this again on a new build coming in.

[JEFFTATE]

Looks Good .
I always wanted to flare and widen my car when I re-do the body.
They just look so dang good with a wide-body look to them.
But subtle.
No drastic / tacky stuff.
Just flares.

[Steve Chryssos]

Take it from one who knows,this process is alot harder then it looks,not on the metal work side,(there are alot of guys that can do that),but getting the proportions right,a half an inch off here or there,an it looks stupid.Then again,I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Ron

I'm the opposite. I can see it all clearly in my head. Style, proportions and all. As a hobby, I spend an obscene amount of time studying conventional and unconventional sources for inspiration. But I can't get my hands to do what the brain wants. So Carter Hickman did the rendering and Jake and crew make it happen. A 3D rendering was mandatory since there were a lot of design changes. And Carter has a great eye for delivering mods that can be reproduced in the real world.
With the style of flares that we're using, I think it's pretty easy to match sides. The wheel arch is pulled away from the fender/quarter, and the resultant gaps can be measured and compared. The look is not as subtle as "the bulge", but no one has ever accused our cars of being subtle.

[Steve Chryssos]

That looks expensive.

Jake's rates are reasonable, but there are lots of hours in this car.

[WS6]

keep your eyes out for our new 2nd gen with some mild treatment done to the wheel wells.

Will do. Thanks Jake.

[The Stickman]

I love flared fenders, Can ya tell?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/aas-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/Imsa_Coupe-1.jpg

[camaro2nv]

Well since everyone else is posting pics of there bulges, I will post how I did the front on Wildfire. I did a bulge and a 1" pinch on my car. This is as far as I got before I sold it, still had quite a bit of metal work to do before it was finished and I was happy. Car will be coming back to finish the job when the new owner returns from Iraq. We may be doing this again on a new build coming in.
Nice job!

[Ron S]

I'm the opposite. I can see it all clearly in my head. Style, proportions and all. As a hobby, I spend an obscene amount of time studying conventional and unconventional sources for inspiration. But I can't get my hands to do what the brain wants. So Carter Hickman did the rendering and Jake and crew make it happen. A 3D rendering was mandatory since there were a lot of design changes. And Carter has a great eye for delivering mods that can be reproduced in the real world.
With the style of flares that we're using, I think it's pretty easy to match sides. The wheel arch is pulled away from the fender/quarter, and the resultant gaps can be measured and compared. The look is not as subtle as "the bulge", but no one has ever accused our cars of being subtle.

I'm glad I'm not the only one Steve.The cogs in my little pea brain never stop turning.I've got two cars waiting to be built up there right now.I love dreaming up new styles,but I really love the forming of the metal.Sometimes getting panels to come out like you are seeing them in your head can be a challenge.My Mustang probably had at least 10 revisions,I liked each one for a different reason.Ron

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/503651511_TWevbL-1.jpg

[muthstryker]

Ive always thought about moving the rear qtr panels on my GTO out an inch or two from like the door on back it just seems too flat sided for me.. The camaros look good with it done.

[preston]

You guys are thinking small time. You're just screwing around if you're not trying to fit a 335 up there !


'69 Mustang with 12" rim
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/IMGP0111JPG-1.jpg



IMSA type box flares adapted to the curves of a C3 vette.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/Sebring751-1.jpg


The infamous JBA Dominator Mustang.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/JBADominator-1.jpg

TCP Mustang shows how to do it using the top panel surfaces rather than organic fender growth.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/TCP203420Engine-1.jpg

Finished pictures of the first car shown:

http://www.fordbuilder.com/Media/PublicationsArticle/FB_0710_AUTOCROSS_2.pdf

[BRIAN]

Those bigger tires would have to be pretty important as all that cutting and pasting is gonna take a ton of lead or plastic. That many mods in the center of a panel can be a disaster.

Not going to say it doesn't look good but would hate to be the one doing the metal work or maybe love it depending on the cost.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

if these are the subtle kind.. mines the other way around.

[Ron S]

if these are the subtle kind.. mines the other way around.

I got several pics of your car at Davids shop when I was in Atlanta.I never posted them when I did the event pictures,because you seemed kind of secretive.That it is bold statement on that car,I've seen some Japanese renditions of the American musclecars that look similar.Definitely a new style for the US market,interested in seeing how well received it is.Any idea of a finish date? Ron

[Steve Chryssos]

I got several pics of your car at Davids shop when I was in Atlanta.I never posted them when I did the event pictures,because you seemed kind of secretive.That it is bold statement on that car,I've seen some Japanese renditions of the American musclecars that look similar.Definitely a new style for the US market,interested in seeing how well received it is.Any idea of a finish date? Ron

Email them to me. I won't share them with anyone. Scout's honor.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/3fingers-1.jpg

[69stang]

Preston,
In the first pic, even though I like that car, I don't like how flaring the front fenders like that messes up the splitter that runs the top of the fender and becomes the upper beltline at the door. Messing up that straight line messes with the character of the mustang styling (as it does in both the first and last pics), but that's my opinion. I always thought the foxes looked good, like JBAs, with the wider full panel flaring, looks better proportioned (ht vs. width).

[Al Moreno]

This sounds like the battle of the Bulges.

[SatisTraction]

these pics make me hate my nice paint :(

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

no soup for you..
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

my cars too "understated".. ahhaha



Email them to me. I won't share them with anyone. Scout's honor.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/3fingers-1.jpg

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I got several pics of your car at Davids shop when I was in Atlanta.I never posted them when I did the event pictures,because you seemed kind of secretive.That it is bold statement on that car,I've seen some Japanese renditions of the American musclecars that look similar.Definitely a new style for the US market,interested in seeing how well received it is.Any idea of a finish date? Ron


Yea man they are almost done.. one more week and were pretty much ready for paint.. I am secretive i guess.. mostly because of the love-hate that will ensue after im done.. but the point is that id like my widebody to be seen done rather than in progress before folks judge.. oh and forget the wheels that are on there.. those will change also.

and yes all that time in japan and much of the designing i did on paper with countless renderings i got them how i want them..
you wouldnt believe how hard it is to sit and draw them over and over to get the look right.. NOT an easy task.. let alone Charlie and David at Road Killer Kustoms executing them.. 300 man hours!!

For those who have seen my car in its current are definitely a niche group.. the streetfighter crowd will love em im sure.. others.. not so certain.

The point is that I love em.. and i got the balls to run em.
and i cant wait to be out there tracking it up with the likes of you guys..

So yea.. im almost there..



















heres a clue what they look like..

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LOL!

[muthstryker]

ahaHahHAhHAahahAH!

[muthstryker]

love the ski ramp off the back of that thing! wooooosh!

[WS6]

lol BS! Can't wait to see the car Amir.

[WS6]

Y






The infamous JBA Dominator Mustang.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/JBADominator-1.jpg





This is sick! I've never seen this car before. I love it and will have to get some more info on it later.

[dipren443]

This is sick! I've never seen this car before. I love it and will have to get some more info on it later.

I have the original article for that build somewhere... I will try to find it. I have been infatuated with it ever since.

[MarkM66]

While flaring the front, slope the nose an inch or so.

[MuscleRodz]

While flaring the front, slope the nose an inch or so.
Refer to post 49

[thetoystore]

this monza is awsome. hands down may fav
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Lance-Smith-1974-Chevrolet-Monza.html

[Damn True]

I think I hear the wheels turning in True's head. Am I wrong or are you thinking flared fenders of some sort now, True? I say do it. I love flares when they aren't godawful huge. The flares being done on Track Rat( I assume that's the car Steve is having worked) and Jake's new project look great to me.

I'd love to see a flared second gen that looks subtle/presentable. These cars have the lines of the C3 vettes only with less buldge to the fenders. I can't see it hurting to flare them out just a little more.

Probably not, since I've already tubbed the rear and I'm working very hard to avoid scope creep on this project. I am however very interested in how the matter of the inner fender structure is handled.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

whats "scope creep"?

[Steve Chryssos]

Ugly weird guy with good breath.

[buickfunnycar.com]

whats "scope creep"?

Sounds like when your project changes direction mid-stream and your wallet gets smoking hot,depleted and abused...

[MrQuick]

[QUOTE=Mr.VENGEANCE;562596]no SCOUP for you.. *Fixie* LOL
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[Damn True]

whats "scope creep"?

When you plan and budget for "X" knowing what it'll cost and then you add "Y" and "Z" to the project and the costs go way up and the timeline goes way out.

[mach1stang]

When you plan and budget for "X" knowing what it'll cost and then you add "Y" and "Z" to the project and the costs go way up and the timeline goes way out.


I just thought you got a bad batch of mouth wash.

[compos mentis]

scope creep

?

Is that referring to when a surgeon gets a little creepy with his 'scope?

Just another reason why it is so important to check out what kind of malpractice insurance the cutter has.

[USAZR1]

That looks really good,Steve. I did almost the exact same thing to the rear quarters of my 69 Nova SS big block car back in 1973 so I could fit a pair of Halibrand 15x10's w/L60 tires. IIRC,it was about a 2" mod,as well. Very subtle,though.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

When you plan and budget for "X" knowing what it'll cost and then you add "Y" and "Z" to the project and the costs go way up and the timeline goes way out.

ah i see..

thats how i got my wife..

X.. i thought i was going out and prolly a little sexy time.

Y.. Oh.. your pregnant..

Z.. were married... so what you want to eat for dinner..

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

exactly..



[QUOTE=Mr.VENGEANCE;562596]no SCOUP for you.. *Fixie* LOL
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Ron S]

this monza is awsome. hands down may fav
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Lance-Smith-1974-Chevrolet-Monza.html


While a little impracticle for street use,that widebody is super sexy.For a street car, I think you can over do it.I remember some of the flares from back in the late 60's and early 70's that were just stupid looking, and served no purpose.I think the whole 'streetfighter' Protouring concept is all about function first with a tasteful concept second, without totally losing the original flavor of the car.The tasteful part, although very subjective, in my opinion should always reflect the original lines of the car(all out race cars excluded)On the other hand, if you built it, and you like,who the hell cares what anyone else thinks. Ron

[Damn True]

While a little impracticle for street use,


...said the guy with no electrical system.

[Satatic]

If you did minitub it would you then call the whole process maxitubbing?

[Ron S]

...said the guy with no electrical system.

I truely don't know what you mean LOL,I have blinkers now and everything.What I mean by impracticle,is a splitter a 1/4" off the blacktop. Ron

[Damn True]

I truely don't know what you mean LOL,I have blinkers now and everything.What I mean by impracticle,is a splitter a 1/4" off the blacktop. Ron

Details details.

Another look at it:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2639891

[Mean 69]

That Monza is sicko. I can't even imagine how brutish that car must be on the track. Great find.

Yowza!
Mark

[wendell]

MEAN! What are you up to? I sent you some email a bit ago. Hope you're well.

I'm trying to find pics of a white and red big block Monza Modified that is set up for the road course here in NE. Makes the Dekon stuff look like church.

As to the original topic, it's hard to find a group 6 car that hasn't had the quarters split and the fenders E-wheeled to fit bigger tires (or spec tires on wider wheels). Pretty much standard practice.

[preston]

Yeah ! That Monza is AWESOME ! I love the over the top look.
Did you read the 2nd article ? Its a total budget build as well. Sure makes me double think some of the money I've sunk into my project although some of my usage requirements meant I had to buy very specific parts.

BTW the guy who said he didn't like the Mustang box flare on the '69 because it destroyed the top fender character line, if you look that character line is still there, its just hard to see because the rollof the fender kind of dominates it. I agree that it doesn't look quite as nice when the top character line is bowed out like the TCP car I posted. Ron S seems to have nailed this the best, but he is running smaller tires and a taller ride height than that '69 or my '67 which makes it easier to get that nice bulge he has on the '66.

I'm digging this thread because I want to redo my DTM style flares and go for more of a box/IMSA integrated flare look although I'm tossing a lot of ideas around right now. I've got about 50 photos of different IMSA flares and round flares and when you start putting your mind to its absolutely amazing how many different ways there are to approach it. The hard part is that in some way you can imagine each approach looking good in its own way. When I did the DTM flares my primary goal was ease of fabrication (well, not exactly, I did put some flair into them after all). This time, I'm getting the shaping hammer and E-wheel and going purely for aerodynamics and aesthetics. Plus a little bit bigger track tires LOL.

In case you don't know what I"m talking about here is a picture of the current setup:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/fenderDuctFarSmall-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/TrackCroppedSmall-1.jpg

[The Stickman]

Yeah ! That Monza is AWESOME ! I love the over the top look.
Did you read the 2nd article ? Its a total budget build as well. Sure makes me double think some of the money I've sunk into my project although some of my usage requirements meant I had to buy very specific parts.

BTW the guy who said he didn't like the Mustang box flare on the '69 because it destroyed the top fender character line, if you look that character line is still there, its just hard to see because the rollof the fender kind of dominates it. I agree that it doesn't look quite as nice when the top character line is bowed out like the TCP car I posted. Ron S seems to have nailed this the best, but he is running smaller tires and a taller ride height than that '69 or my '67 which makes it easier to get that nice bulge he has on the '66.

I'm digging this thread because I want to redo my DTM style flares and go for more of a box/IMSA integrated flare look although I'm tossing a lot of ideas around right now. I've got about 50 photos of different IMSA flares and round flares and when you start putting your mind to its absolutely amazing how many different ways there are to approach it. The hard part is that in some way you can imagine each approach looking good in its own way. When I did the DTM flares my primary goal was ease of fabrication (well, not exactly, I did put some flair into them after all). This time, I'm getting the shaping hammer and E-wheel and going purely for aerodynamics and aesthetics. Plus a little bit bigger track tires LOL.

In case you don't know what I"m talking about here is a picture of the current setup:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/fenderDuctFarSmall-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/TrackCroppedSmall-1.jpg


I love the look of you car but if you are looking to re-do it then why not use this approach?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/llerMustangdrivenbyKlausLudwigvi-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
You could just get another set of fenders and quarters and weld them onto the existing one(can cut out the excess underneath)them mold the front of the fender into the nose leaving the rear open for air extraction. The rears could be left open either on the front or rear of both. I would atleast leave the rear or the rar quarters open.

[preston]

I've definitely looked at that. I like the open front end (since I need a vent there anyway) but I don't like the open rear flare on a front engine car. It looks good on a mid engine car but something about it bothers me on a front engine car. Lots of drag too even if you route that air straight out the back.

It certainly comes off well in this rendering though:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/xstudiorender06-1.jpg

[Ron S]

Preston,I'd really love to see your car in paint. That was alot of work to fab those flares and functional vents,you can't bail on them now.That was a really bold look,and fearlees design,I think it would be a completely different look, smoothed and in color.As far as the ride height on my junk,the rockers almost touch the ground when the suspension is worked. Ron
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/06/gingerman149-1.jpg

[preston]

At full compression does your tire reach the top panel of the original flare ? That's what I can't figure out about your design, the "horizontal" component of your bubble (talking front fender here) is not that significant. When I try to copy your design on my setup, It seems like I have to have a 90% horizontal surface above the tire in order to accomodate 3" of bump. My track is 62" + a 11" rim that means its actually 12" wide, for a total width of 74". Maybe your track is a little narrower ?

That need for a horizontal surface means I can't see replicating a nice bubble like yours, it would need to be much more of an IMSA box style.

I like my flares too, but I need just a bit more room, they are very unaerodynamic, and I deliberately built them as separate alum pieces that rivet onto the fender making it difficult though not impossible to smooth them in.

[Ron S]

At full compression there was slight contact on one side,when I ordered my CCW's I had them move them in another 2mm,they should clear even at full compression now,unfortunatly the 11's did hit the control arms,and I did send them back for some 10.5's.I'd measure my track for you,but I have no front wheels right now.I have to say the C5 Vette knuckles are my saving grace,the scrub radius saves me alittle room when the tires swing back and forth. Ron

[Damn True]

I like my flares too, but I need just a bit more room, they are very unaerodynamic, and I deliberately built them as separate alum pieces that rivet onto the fender making it difficult though not impossible to smooth them in.

Poly resin and fiberglass rope.





Oh....and sanding. Lot's of sanding.

[thegman]

I want to widen my 69 Camaro some but do it tastefully. I'm concerned with the body lines and wheel well shape compared to the 67's & 68's. I haven't found too much to go off of. Found the old racer on Pozzi's sight but thats about it. Anyone have any pics?

[69stang]

BTW the guy who said he didn't like the Mustang box flare on the '69 because it destroyed the top fender character line, if you look that character line is still there, its just hard to see because the rollof the fender kind of dominates it.
That would be me, Preston.
I agree its still there but it gets lost.


Ron S seems to have nailed this the best,
I totally agree here, been studying his front ones to understand how it all came together.

BTW Preston, I love your 67. I've been studying it and taking bits and pieces from your build.

[SicMonte]

I am so lost on this kinda stuff...

[DriverzInc]

[QUOTE= maxitubbing?[/QUOTE]


:lol:

[Steve1968LS2]

I want to widen my 69 Camaro some but do it tastefully. I'm concerned with the body lines and wheel well shape compared to the 67's & 68's. I haven't found too much to go off of. Found the old racer on Pozzi's sight but thats about it. Anyone have any pics?

Did you see the picture of the '69 I posted? It has a 2" stretch... I've seen Pozzi's and his has a huge stretch but still look good.

[Tom Fuehrer]

Here are some photos of a '69 Z/28 I once had. Seeing these picture reminds me of how much I regret selling it.

It had about a 4 inch stretch added to the rear quarters by a previous owner. Look closely at the "bend" of the rocker panels to get an idea of the added width.

I could put a standard offset 10" wide wheel and a 12.50" wide tire on the car without any clearance problems.

There is one photo there that shows the car with 8" wide zero-offset Magnesium 200's. Lots of unused space :-)

Tom

[Damn True]

Did you see the picture of the '69 I posted? It has a 2" stretch... I've seen Pozzi's and his has a huge stretch but still look good.

How do they address the inner fender structure?

[Blitz]

that is an amazing idea. I love those subtle things. I have wanted to do this to my Cutlass for years, but its a very square sided car and I dont think it could be pulled off.

Naaa. I think as long as you kept it subtle it could be pulled off. There's a 64 Malibu on YouTube with it done and without the guy holding the camera pointing it out I didn't even notice. Of course video and real world are different but I think as long as it's kept fairly subtle it could be done without appearing "off". Every since seeing that done, some time ago, I've wanted this mod done. I've noticed that on the 64/65 Chevelle the rear quarter bulges (to use the now popular term) a bit anyway, which is what gives it that rear accent line in the first place. . Ideally I'd like to exploit my bulge by stretching it :smoke:say (off the top of my head) maybe 3/4" with a 1" flare for a total of a 1.75" wider track. I want them both to be very subtle but not so undetectable that they made NO difference. The cost of this as well as a competent shop is what REALLY scares me.

I do like the general idea of the flares. To put it in perspective, I have always preferred the C6 Z06's body lines to the "base" Corvette but never knew why. Sure the idea of power and better car were attractive but why did it LOOK meaner. The side air vents are readily apparent BUT what I hadn't noticed until two days ago...a side by side comparison revealed...Flares! Yep. Even the G8 GT got a little bit of flare action. A subtle, yet aggressive look.

[vsefiream]

Very cool. How did they account for the curvature of the fender as you go down? Let me try and explain. Most wider body type kits move the whole fender out so the curvature of the side is the same it's just now x inches further out. Since they wedged it out at the bottom, did they bend it back in at the bottom a little to retain the curvature? Did that make any sense?

Can this be done to a second gen :)

Sure, here's the easy way:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/dcp_3424-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/IMG_0667-1.jpgG
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/dcp_3425-1.jpg

Check out more pics of second gen TAs with VSE fiberglass fenders:http://s491.photobucket.com/albums/rr273/vsefiream/Fire%20Am%20stuff/

There's a set of flares on Ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Herb-Adams-VSE-fender-flares-Trans-Am-1979-79-1980-RARE_W0QQitemZ180399174794QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotor s_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a00a0f48a&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

[69stang]

Another fox mustang.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

If I were to ever do another fox it would be like this. As far as I know, this kit is no longer made though.

[Cris@JCG]

Steve, we are wainting for the front fenders to arrive!

[bobbaganoosh]

Another fox mustang.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

If I were to ever do another fox it would be like this. As far as I know, this kit is no longer made though.

I have seen one of those pop up on ebay from time to time. Maier Racing makes flared fiberglass fenders & quarters in 1.5" & 3" widths, and Wings West reproduces the Dominator kit.

[Stg1Regal]

I always kinda liked the "Wide Body" look, many many moons ago I wanted to do a Camaro or T/A , then when I owned my 82 Firebird , I found a article on a wide body kit for that F-body.

Still would like to do that, I think www.showcars-bodyparts.com (http://www.showcars-bodyparts.com) has a IMSA style 6, piece wide body kit. ...

One of these days........

But I've also keep eyeballing my 82 Buick Regal , has anyone know of or have seen one done right?

Thought about hanging with duct tape my extra spare fenders, and full quarters with rockers, to see what it would look like.

In my mind it would be hard to do since my body style is squareish as opposed to a Camaro or Mustang.

Any thoughts, pics or ideas?

[The Stickman]

That is probably the old DGP moulds for the old IMSA Kellygirl challenge.

[69stang]

But I've also keep eyeballing my 82 Buick Regal , has anyone know of or have seen one done right?

Thought about hanging with duct tape my extra spare fenders, and full quarters with rockers, to see what it would look like.

In my mind it would be hard to do since my body style is squareish as opposed to a Camaro or Mustang.

Any thoughts, pics or ideas?

I would think you could go the same route as the JBA fox mustang posted a couple pages back. The foxes were pretty square and the body lines are similar to the regal.

[vsefiream]

I always kinda liked the "Wide Body" look, many many moons ago I wanted to do a Camaro or T/A , then when I owned my 82 Firebird , I found a article on a wide body kit for that F-body.

Still would like to do that, I think www.showcars-bodyparts.com (http://www.showcars-bodyparts.com) has a IMSA style 6, piece wide body kit. ...

One of these days........



I've been talking with these guys about a nose for my car. They seem to make a decent product at a fair price. VFN had one for $350 IIRC but I just noticed it has been removed from their site. Probably because everybody was complaining about how poorly they fit!! http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=1442.135
Year One wants your first born ($800) and I think Showcars wanted $300, it was the only one that was molded the same way as the factory rubber one and they're close by. They are only 3 hours from me so I can go pick it up.

[Stg1Regal]

Not to hijack the thread... or something like that.

To say I like the the wide body look again

I seen the 1993 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T prototype, that was done in a wide body.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/9329165prototype2-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/9329134prototype1-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

I use to have the 89 Dodge Daytona, and converted the front
wheel drive to rear wheel drive using the front k frame,to work for a small block LA Mopar engine, seen an article done a long time ago about doing it, and the full kit was sold thru Mopar performance.My goal was to get my Daytona to look like that.

Imagine a v8 rear wheel drive Widebody Daytona? pro touring? SWEET

ahhh when I dream, I dream big.

[Stg1Regal]

Found a picture of that wide body ISMA Firebird kit from www.Showcars-bodyparts.com (http://www.Showcars-bodyparts.com)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif


I have an article in one of my old car mags about a write-up/build-up of this car with a 4cyl.

When I find it I'll copy and post it.

Did I say I like the wide body look?

[Stg1Regal]

OK one more ... found a picture of a Buick Regal done in wide body,

I dunno .??

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/regal_1_1-1.jpg

Whats your thoughts?

[Steve1968LS2]

I want to widen my 69 Camaro some but do it tastefully. I'm concerned with the body lines and wheel well shape compared to the 67's & 68's. I haven't found too much to go off of. Found the old racer on Pozzi's sight but thats about it. Anyone have any pics?

Didn't you see the '69 I posted earlier (Post #26) in this thread? It has a two inch stretch and looks VERY good.. in fact it's far more subtle on a 69 than a 67/68.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, we are wainting for the front fenders to arrive!

Ok, you now have fenders.. GET TO WORK!!! lol

Glad we have a practice fender to mess around with.

Here's what we tried out today.. it did achieve a one inch stretch but we were sure the panel shape was right. We all talked and came up with another idea... (this car isnt track rat but a bad ass Firebird we borrowed)

Cris got the idea from Tony's Pro-Touring book where it was done on a Mustang. I think it works better on a Stang since the sides of the fender arn't as curved are are more flat. But hey, figuring this all out is a process :)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/2gxrc0o-1.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

I'll be honest and saw I'm having trouble visualizing the process. The fender is cut on three sides? Which three? are there any in process images available so I can get the idea through a relatively thick skull?

There will be a story in the January issue of Camaro Performers.. the quarter is cut on both ends and along the bottom and then pulled out from the car.

The whole process is NOT NOT easy... in fact it's a ton of work, but pretty cool.

[Steve1968LS2]

How do they address the inner fender structure?

Of the rear quarter? If so then it's a bit complicated. You start with a partial repo quarter (the only part involved in the process besides scrap metal) that is used to fabricate an "inner wall" to the existing quarter. The lip is cut away and a 5/16" bar is welded to the lip for super clean "rolled" look, plus it adds a ton of strength.

You can kind of see the patchwork in this shot. Instead of the wheelhouse curving down to meet the quarter lip it's now almost flat. This give the rear tire much more room to rebound upward into.

Hard to see where we built the inner wall from the donor panel.. it's double-walled now, like a truck bed.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/4gi4g9-1.jpg

[Twentyover]

OK one more ... found a picture of a Buick Regal done in wide body,

I dunno .??

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/regal_1_1-1.jpg

Whats your thoughts?

This a real car? the reason I ask is look at the doors- it doesn't look like there's much curvature in the door, looks kind of like the mini-stock racers who just pop rivet flat sheet steel on their cars when they get banged up. This looks kind of the same, but finished much nicer.

[Cris@JCG]

Thanks for running all over the shop & finding us a fender shim washer to tack weld! LOL


Ok, you now have fenders.. GET TO WORK!!! lol

Glad we have a practice fender to mess around with.

Here's what we tried out today.. it did achieve a one inch stretch but we were sure the panel shape was right. We all talked and came up with another idea... (this car isnt track rat but a bad ass Firebird we borrowed)

Cris got the idea from Tony's Pro-Touring book where it was done on a Mustang. I think it works better on a Stang since the sides of the fender arn't as curved are are more flat. But hey, figuring this all out is a process :)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/2gxrc0o-1.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

Thanks for running all over the shop & finding us a fender shim washer to tack weld! LOL

It was the LEAST I could do.. at least it wasn't a fork!

You need to get your website inshape so we can post this artwork over there.

lol

[The Stickman]

Found a picture of that wide body ISMA Firebird kit from www.Showcars-bodyparts.com (http://www.Showcars-bodyparts.com)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif


I have an article in one of my old car mags about a write-up/build-up of this car with a 4cyl.

When I find it I'll copy and post it.

Did I say I like the wide body look?


That is the DGP car with the Super Duty 4 cylinder engine. Here is a better pic. Ok had to edit as the tripod link works just some of the time.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/firebird-1.jpg
Also here is a G-body.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/centuryjt-1.jpg\
And another. It looks like it has a slight wide body. You can tell by looking at the way the rear quarter meets the bumper.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/Road_America19850825088-1.jpg
BTW there are a bunch more wide bodied cars on my tripod site

[Cris@JCG]

Here is a pic of mini tub & stretch!


32568



Of the rear quarter? If so then it's a bit complicated. You start with a partial repo quarter (the only part involved in the process besides scrap metal) that is used to fabricate an "inner wall" to the existing quarter. The lip is cut away and a 5/16" bar is welded to the lip for super clean "rolled" look, plus it adds a ton of strength.

You can kind of see the patchwork in this shot. Instead of the wheelhouse curving down to meet the quarter lip it's now almost flat. This give the rear tire much more room to rebound upward into.

Hard to see where we built the inner wall from the donor panel.. it's double-walled now, like a truck bed.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/4gi4g9-1.jpg

[Cris@JCG]

Yeah! We can start a new niche in the car world..


It was the LEAST I could do.. at least it wasn't a fork!

You need to get your website inshape so we can post this artwork over there.

lol

[preston]

That buick does look a little goofy - its got no other curves on the body to "absorb" the fatness. I think a realsquare body like that might be a good candiatate for the "extended fender" (Porshce 930 MOdy ****) approach, where there is a big gaping air vent behind the front wheel and a big gaping air inlet in behind the door. Its all in how you handle the "vents".

Like this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/xstudiorender06-1.jpg

[Stg1Regal]

hey Stickman....... Drooool yep thats it!!( DPG FIREBIRD) I really like that look out of all them.!!

Twentyover

Yep thats the real Mccoy! full size Regal

preston

Yes thats the look the Real should have , all about em vents, I want that look, but put side pipes instead of ground effects with this front end.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Steve1968LS2]

Cris figured out the front fenders, came out nice. I will post pics tomorrow.

Getting excited about this car, should be different enough to be cool and a fun street/track car.

[Young Gun]

That buick does look a little goofy - its got no other curves on the body to "absorb" the fatness. I think a realsquare body like that might be a good candiatate for the "extended fender" (Porshce 930 MOdy ****) approach, where there is a big gaping air vent behind the front wheel and a big gaping air inlet in behind the door. Its all in how you handle the "vents".

Like this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/xstudiorender06-1.jpg


I absolutely love that challenger, makes me wanna take that widebody concept and put in on a mustang coupe, granted your stang was an influence in it too.

[muthstryker]

Oh come on colin, just do it to the challenger..

[Young Gun]

Oh come on colin, just do it to the challenger..

Gawd would I love to, Matt

[YancyJohns]

Every time I see this car, it gets better and better.

[Ash]

Not to hijack the thread... or something like that.

To say I like the the wide body look again

I seen the 1993 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T prototype, that was done in a wide body.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/9329165prototype2-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/09/9329134prototype1-1.jpg
I use to have the 89 Dodge Daytona, and converted the front
wheel drive to rear wheel drive using the front k frame,to work for a small block LA Mopar engine, seen an article done a long time ago about doing it, and the full kit was sold thru Mopar performance.My goal was to get my Daytona to look like that.

Imagine a v8 rear wheel drive Widebody Daytona? pro touring? SWEET

ahhh when I dream, I dream big.


Chrystler Conquest/Mitsubishi Starion

Already flared, RWD, & V8 swapable (and better looking :enguard:)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gifhttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/starion_engine-1.jpg



https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/3622284792_eedf22395d-1.jpg

[WS6]

They have factory IRS outback too. It's a Mitsubishi car. Starion was the Mitsu model

[PT_79_TA_461]

Sure, here's the easy way:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/dcp_3424-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/IMG_0667-1.jpgG
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/dcp_3425-1.jpg

Check out more pics of second gen TAs with VSE fiberglass fenders:http://s491.photobucket.com/albums/rr273/vsefiream/Fire%20Am%20stuff/

There's a set of flares on Ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Herb-Adams-VSE-fender-flares-Trans-Am-1979-79-1980-RARE_W0QQitemZ180399174794QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotor s_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2a00a0f48a&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245


who ever bought these fenders... you should make copys....cus you out bid me on these...and i need a set...lol

[79PonchoUK]

Chrystler Conquest/Mitsubishi Starion

Already flared, RWD, & V8 swapable (and better looking :enguard:)

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I have a Starion. Bought it just because it had wide arches. :lol:

It does need a V8 though. After driving the trans am for so long 2.0 turbos are just terrible. lol

[Rhino]

Cris figured out the front fenders, came out nice. I will post pics tomorrow.


Is it tomorrow yet?:poke:
The natives are getting restless :)

[John Wright]

I drove one of those Conquests for a few months while my truck was in the shop....that was a fun lil car, had just enough power to make it fun....on a wet road when the boost came in. The front struts left a bit to be desired, but it was OK

[Steve1968LS2]

Is it tomorrow yet?:poke:
The natives are getting restless :)

Sorry for the blury shot, but you get the idea. The bulge ended up matching up well with the one in the rear quarter panel. It will require modding the inner fender but we were going to do that anyways.

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[Rhino]

Excellent. Thanks for the pic. Along that body line is a great place to stretch it.
One would think the biggest issue will be matching the fender lip opening. Was that added material from a donor fender, or flat sheet?
Did it end up being a 1" or 2" stretch?

[Al Moreno]

Nice job.

Steve, how big of a bulge did you end up with? :smoke:

Somehow, that doesn't sound wright.

[Steve1968LS2]

Excellent. Thanks for the pic. Along that body line is a great place to stretch it.
One would think the biggest issue will be matching the fender lip opening. Was that added material from a donor fender, or flat sheet?
Did it end up being a 1" or 2" stretch?

This was just a practice fender.. on the real deal they will either make a section or steal from a donor fender. The front stretch is 1" and the rear is 2".

[vsefiream]

who ever bought these fenders... you should make copys....cus you out bid me on these...and i need a set...lol


LOL it wasn't me. I have had these for a couple years, both found on CL. Your never going to guess what I paid. $100 for the NOS quarters and an even trade front fenders for my steel front fenders. I have thought of making copies. I am still entertaining it

[tyoneal]

NICE! VEry clean and subtle. In the old days, I believe they used a sandbag and a BFH to progressively stretch the metal. Effective, but not as clean and consistent as your approach--especially at the beltline.

We're taking a more direct approach on the current build at Jake's Rod Shop. We'll formally introduce the project in two weeks when it is on the ground. Just waiting on one of the wheel/tire sets. Pic shows flares and metal work resulting from wheelbase change. Nice to see that flares are making a comeback!!
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Steve:

Thanks for posting that picture. I had no idea Jake was doing that sort of thing. Are you running one of his subframes? I've been looking at one of them, he seems to have done his homework on it.

Take Care,

Ty O'Neal

[tyoneal]

Here are some photos of a '69 Z/28 I once had. Seeing these picture reminds me of how much I regret selling it.

It had about a 4 inch stretch added to the rear quarters by a previous owner. Look closely at the "bend" of the rocker panels to get an idea of the added width.

I could put a standard offset 10" wide wheel and a 12.50" wide tire on the car without any clearance problems.

There is one photo there that shows the car with 8" wide zero-offset Magnesium 200's. Lots of unused space :-)

Tom
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Your camaro looks great. It also make doing something useful with side vent a natural thing.

Personally I think there is a major opening for a company to offer CF or Fiberglass front and rear fenders.

If you used a convertible fender, flared it, it might be possible to add one body line from the door around to the trunk, essentially making a two piece quarter panel. A decent two toned paint scheme could probably hide a lot of the extra parting line if it bother you, or it could possible be made to butte up against the upper quarter panel with very little of a noticeable part, if the manufacturer took the time to make a real accurate part.

The Benefits:

1. Weight savings
2. If it got damaged, it could be replaced easily if it was designed properly. (Maybe Dzus fasteners instead of the regular bolts)
3. Cost to make would possible go down, even in some CF applications as the difficult labor cost of sculpting the, "Master" part, would have already been done.
4) Driving the cars on the track would be more comfortable because the original sheet metal could be saved, and if you had a unfortunate off road adventure, getting the car back in shape could be easier.

Anyway, thanks for posting your picture.

Regards,

Ty O'Neal

[compos mentis]

Very interesting body mods.

Just looked through the whole thread and hope to see some updates.

[David Sloan]

Very interesting body mods.

Just looked through the whole thread and hope to see some updates.

LOL! So did i! But it's your fault LOL! that i started looking for this stuff!!

What happened to this car Steve?

[preston]

I guess I never posted this before - Car is pictured on street tires but nicely fits a 335 up front and up to a 28" tall 335+ tire in the rear.

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[Bryce]

Preston,

That is one bad @$$ car. I have watched your build for a while now.

[MrQuick]

me too, so Preston, how does it feel to steer on a 335 tire?



Steve, so... is this the track rat?

[preston]

All my track sessions from last year were on a 285 Dunlop slick this is the first year with a 335 up front. Steered fine for the one session I had it at a "go kart" track for shakeout before I found a loose dry sump hose fitting that ended my day. Haven't tried it on the street with those tires. If it doesn't rain (big If) I plan on going back to the kart track on Nov 3rd, and plan on doing several sesions this winter to be ready for the big track in the spring. However I will say this - Do to my awesome engineering skills LOL I have 95% of the turning radius as I do on street tires (285 michelin) . You can still park/maneuver pretty damn well. Even with a 12" front rim I only have 1" of scrub radius (according to WinGeo anyway).

[MrQuick]

However I will say this - Do to my awesome engineering skills LOL I have 95% of the turning radius as I do on street tires (285 michelin) . You can still park/maneuver pretty damn well. Even with a 12" front rim I only have 1" of scrub radius (according to WinGeo anyway).

F#$@in a right! Nice work Preston!

[Roadrage David]

we had some foto shoping done useing the gulf camaro over our firebird. it wil have 16x13.6x27 rear tires with 6 inch backspacing,
and 16 x12 x 25.3 up frond with 4.75 inch backspacing
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[454bug]

Hey Preston,

Your new front end looks MUCH better! :twothumbs:

Since I plan to run the same size front tire/wheel combination (335-series/18"x12") I'm very interested in seeing how your car performs with them.

Keep us posted!! :drive:

[Blitz]

I love the Gulf livery.

[hotrdblder]

The car in steves post is still being built at www.jakesrodshop.com
we have slowed on the project as the engine has been delayed 18 months. The car will be finished for next year with or without the engine we are waiting for.

[MrQuick]

The car in steves post is still being built at www.jakesrodshop.com

I knew I recognized that rack....


we have slowed on the project as the engine has been delayed 18 months. The car will be finished for next year with or without the engine we are waiting for. wait...Steve sold that engine off too?? Can't wait to see it together.


Vince

[73z-6sp]

I just wanted to post: E aho la ula "Wider is better".


Please...someone tell me Im not the only one who remembers that from the Pontiac Grand Prix commercials?! Anyone? Anyone?

[MrQuick]

how old are you??? LOL just kidding

[Blitz]

Heck yeah I remember that commercial! Hahaha. I thought I was the only one.