Just opened the new Hot Rod Mag

[ANIMOSITY]

Sorry if this is old, but I just seen it.

Its the Sept 09 pg 32 Couldnt find any pic on the web to post.

That thing is INSANE! I love it. I like the concept alot. Its got my mind running wild. Building somthing similar. Along these lines and a Volksrod. Like a roof skin and cowl from a 66 mustang fastyback on top of a full tube chassis, engine exposed, no doors, 03 cobra IRS and alum, floor and some race seats . Just the BARE bones.

[Boyd]

I saw it also and I'm feeling it too, BIG TIME! The dual engine thing isn't my cup of tea, but loved, loved, loved the rest of it. It's got me seriously thinking of buying a tube bender and a welder. I tried finding a picture of it online, but wasn't able to. Killer concept.

[ANIMOSITY]

I hear you? Not a fan of the two engines, but the rest, DAM!! I am really thinking of digging the mig back out. Now that I sold my truck project there is room for this in the shed.

[narcotix]

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That's my friend's creation, "Priapism" and the car is West L.A. I, as well as a bunch of other local fellas, helped out doing some small bits of the aluminum welding on the project and its still very much a work in progress. He'd love to hear any comments, ideas, or inspirations from folks, and he's trying to get his webiste up for Sire Custom Performance. It'll be up soon, but drop him a line at 310-671-3430 and chat it up.

The photoshoot occured at the now defunct location of Engle Cams in Santa Monica. When the Engle Bros. moved everything out to their current location in Paramount, they welcomed us and Wes Allison to come on by and use the vacant facilities for an "industrial" themed location. Mark got us all some pizza and we bid farewll to a West L.A. institution with a fitting last hurrah. (The car DOES have two solid lifter Engle cams in it...)

-Jimmy

[novaderrik]

looks like a dual engined IMCA Mod to me..
it wouldn't be too hard to find a used Mod chassis and build from there.

[JV69z/28]

I like the idea. It's something different. I'll take mine with a single power plant though. This car was featured in Hot Rod a while back and since the "Rat Rod" craze is so big I'm surprised we haven't seen more cars like this. http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_1935_chevy/index.html

[ANIMOSITY]

I read that he is planning on bulding a alum body later. I say drop on some Harley Davidson V-rod headlights and call it good. I he he may be starting somthing new here. Ive already begon planning a bulid that is similar to this, but maybe alittle more body.

[novaderrik]

http://www.bmsmods.com/used.html

here you can find a good starting point, but also look around locally- i've heard of guys buying older used mod rolling chassis for as little as $500.
change the rear suspension and upgrade the front, and you've got the beginnings of whatever goofy name this build style will be called.

[JMarsa]

Jimmy,

Thanks for the info.

I saw the car too in the same issue and thougt it was really cool.
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I'm a big fan of the Ariel Atom type cars (Exocars) and have been thinking of my own versoin of this local car:
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I've got most of the parts lying around to build something similar.

--JMarsa

[PT Sportwagon]

Not to street legal kinda cool though.

Tim

[preston]

Yeah those things are great. When I get frustrated with sheet metal (often) and interior crap, I dream of just a simple frame deal. You could even put a normal "cab" on it and have the rest be tubes.

The dual engine just makes it AWESOME, if much more impractical. But hell yeah its different.

Unfortunately a trend has been created and it will now be ultra common. The only thing that stopped me was realizing that my neighbors top of the line Ariel Atom would probably always be a little bit better execution of the concept.

But F all that bondo and panel fit stuff, not to mention Vintage Air and ultraleather !

[ANIMOSITY]

I was thinking of the cab idea. I even sat down and drew some things up.(on paper, not computer). Like a ford ranger cab, or LUV truck, that the roof has been chopped about 4 inchs, then the rest nothing but frame, and tubes. Matby even the bed that is about 3 ft lond and 3ft wide. Just so you can go shopping. You know kind of Rat Rod meets,Trugee(those off road rides that are loosely based on a truck)meest shifter cart.

[narcotix]

Just in case anyone wanted to hear what the thing sounded like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSprOTA-X8M

-Jimmy

[Ron L]

Unfortunately a trend has been created and it will now be ultra common.Same thought crossed my mind upon reading the first few posts and not having seen the car. Not just that but if the trend bug does bite, how many "copycats" will we see? Imagine regular cars with regular unibodies but fenders replaced with tubing that have no structural purpose whatsoever. You just wait! On the up side, isn't this basically like building a Locost with a car roof on it?

Along the same lines, I recall seeing a few street driven rock-crawler-look trucks with rollcages and no doors or fenders that follow the same idea. I thought they looked pretty cool.

[JMarsa]

Plus this 'style' must be at least 5x safer than 120% of the rat rods out there.

BTW- where the hell did she come from :theresa: ?

--JMarsa

[preston]

Not just that but if the trend bug does bite, how many "copycats" will we see? Imagine regular cars with regular unibodies but fenders replaced with tubing that have no structural purpose whatsoever. You just wait! On the up side, isn't this basically like building a Locost with a car roof on it?

Yeah actually I think its a good thing in many ways not the least of which is opening up an avenue of legitimacy and support for lightweight vehicles that could - gulp - use smaller more efficient engines to keep kicking ass.

The only reason I don't like it is because I've always wanted to build something like this for my "next project" and now it will be done and done.

Apart from the tube bug trend, I do give the guy major respect for bringing in the vintage dual engine idea that is totally off the charts for modern hot rods, and yet is more connected to our roots then 75% of the other things we do with cars. Impractical sure and less performance than an optimized single engine, but who cares its so wicked !

[CptKlutz]

Works for me! :smoke: Loose one engine though, maybe single Viper V10?

[twosaturns]

it's not all that different than street driven sand rail dune buggys, and the ariel atom as someone mentioned.
dual engines are cool, but this guy did it wrong: there should be one in the front and one in the back. I saw a VW GTI from England like that, had 2 VR6's.

[Damon777]

If any of you get a chance to get to Don Garlit's museum of drag racing, there was a dual-engined rail there when I was last. The cool things about that were:
1. They were different V-8s

2. They both drove the same ring gear. One located on each side of the pumpkin and a pinion on each end. Think 9" with 2 front covers.

Not related to this style of build, but it still makes me think about how they pulled it off.

[twosaturns]

I always liked TV Tom Ivo's quad engined AWD dragster; 2 pairs of nailhead injected Buicks, 2 for the rear axle 2 for the front.

[buickfunnycar.com]

I always liked TV Tom Ivo's quad engined AWD dragster; 2 pairs of nailhead injected Buicks, 2 for the rear axle 2 for the front.

Yeah...me too.:smoke:
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While we're talking about dual engines,let's not forget about John Peter's Freight Train...complete w/cowcatcher:
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[Desert68]

There's a number of things about this car that are just killer. The sound of the two SBC firing 45 degrees apart is amazing. The third video on youtube shows some interesting bits of the front and rear suspensions. There are so many different ways to approach a project like this that I don't see cookie cutter versions popping up anytime soon. There's so much latitude in virtually every aspect of building a car like this.

[LowBuckX]

Isnt that watts link set WWWWWAAAAYYYY to high???

[tymbom]

I really like the idea... A person could build a car using lots of circle track parts from places like Speedway and Smiley's and save some dough. IMCA modified parts are cheap and simple. Besides, you wouldn't have to pay the high price for a belly button Camaro or Chevelle. A nice tube chassis with nothing you don't need to go fast and turn hard would be way better than starting with a 40 year old chassis design. You would get good performance and reliability from inexpensive components. I'm sure a sub 2000lb speed buggy doesn't need ZR-1 Carbon ceramic brakes to kill cones in a parking lot...

[1360]

Man, that thing would make the driver go deaf.....be really sweet single, mid-engine.

[Carver67]

ROFL. In case anyone doesn't know........

priapism |ˈprīəˌpizəm|
noun (Medicine)
persistent and painful erection of the p*nis.
ORIGIN late Middle English : via late Latin from Greek priapismos, from priapizein ‘be lewd,’ from Priapos (see Priapus ).

Too funny!
-mike

[shep]

Only problem with IMCA Modified cars is most are made to turn left and the chassis is designed that way.

[yannick]

Hi all. Thank you! I too would've prefered smaller, lighter, single drysumped Ls motor, but theres a reson for it. I built this car around the engine coupler.. twin engines cars aren't new but having them stay together on the street is! I've always wanted to connect a couple of sbc's together and i found the way, so i did and built this car around it with mostly left over parts.
The front suspension works awsome. As for the rear... yes the watts link is too high but its the only place it can be with the diff i'm using. (works fine for now..rides great!!!!) My priority is getting the body done so i can drive this thing.
It's registered as an 1969 International 800a (scout), all the drives are on the rear engine so that the front engine can be removed, bolt another set of pipes and wheels and off to the track or canyons. it weighs 2307 lbs of which 49.2% of the weight is on the rear with 5g of fuel (holds 33gallons) It has 2 470hp 350's, mikes t-400, 10 in. continental converter, dana 60 3.54 gear, 14 in. 6 piston z06 brakes, all .095 chromaly, 2 karmen ghia roofs. Down the road it'll get a speedway 9 in. with 2.50 gearing with a lower watts link and a couple 600hp 406 cu. in motors that are already built and some lighter wheels( these are 80 lb ea.)


Thanks for your interests -Yannick

[JMarsa]

yannick,

Nice to have you on board.

--JMarsa

[yannick]

Has anyone else here build anything from scratch?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

a bird house..

a house of cards..

a few cookies..

a bad rash..







lol.

[dadto2jays]

Outstanding build, very creative...

[yannick]

Thank you!

[tymbom]

I'm planning to build a Speed Buggy from scratch... I just need to get my wife a new car first. I've figgered out where to get all the parts I need. I've been drawing up chassis plans and ideas... Is your website up yet Yannick?

[narcotix]

Looks like the website is up and runnin. I tell ya, some guys can build a stinkin' car in two months, but takes 'em a whole 10 years to put up a website! ;)

www.sirecustomperformance.com

[yannick]

yaeh well i'm a little tarded when comes to the pc...i'll be updating pics and vids shortly on the site.

[preston]

Has anyone else here build anything from scratch?

Well I did use sheet metal stampings from Taiwan I guess.....

http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32889&highlight=building+street+car+hard

Love your car dude - my neighbor has a top of the line Atom which is pretty nice but I keep thinking it would be so simple to build something similar, and always had it in my head to do some bare bones V8 tube-er. But the dual engine setup is stroke of genius ! Not sure why you are so eager to build a body for it. That's just extra weight. Of course I can relate as I live in Washington where it is always going to rain. I've been amazed how much my neighbor goes out without getting caught but of course its summer time right now.

[yannick]

The body's only gonna be a skin of aluminum maybe 50-75lbs total besides it needs weight, its traction issues.