Why are there not more 3rd gen camaros representing?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

saw this car and got a stiffy...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/24962320134_large-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/24962320130_large-1.jpg

[srh3trinity]

Nice. I have owned two third gens, but never when I had the money or the luxury of pulling more potential out of it.

[1offwizard]

I like that! It reminds me a lot of the '89 IROC I bought my wife when when we got married. We both loved that car.

[72ratnova]

because they all became short track dirt cars in the midwest. my first car was a 92 z28, i always loved them because no one else really did

[BonzoHansen]

3rd gens are coming back. nice ones are appreciating in $$ every day.

[70TWO NOVA]

they do have great potential, but unfortunately they got a bad rep from the white trash destroying them.
My fiance and I have a 90 Iroc that we are in the process of fixing up as a car for her. Shes actually getting really into it which is nice.

Here it is when we got it
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
and now with out new "custom" hood
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/Picture005-1.jpg
plans include painting the green top black, lowering it 1.3", slp runners, msd iginition, reupholster seats, cd player and new speakers

[Nine Ball]

That first one looks great!

Most of them are still buried in weeds in front of a trailer home.

[70TWO NOVA]

That first one looks great!

Most of them are still buried in weeds in front of a trailer home.
ha lol im sure mine currently looks like a good representation on what most third gens look like.....crap.
come a few weeks it will look night and day different.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

i guess they are going to be worth something to our kids maybe.. kinda like 1st gens or somethin..

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Well since im out here in japan.. they love them out here tho.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/021Takada00010-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/002-1.jpg

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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/78-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/DSC_1490-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/HoodOnCar01-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/HoodOnCar03-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/IMGP1868-1.jpg

[Restomod]

I had a Red/Black stripe 92 5.7l Z28 ,great car almost wish I had it back......

[JEFFTATE]

Third Gens are great .
I've got an '84 Firebird.
It will be a project car after I get the '69 to a good stopping point.
Those 3rd Gen cars can be made to handle easily.

[cheapthrillz]

The money pit.... thats what mine was....

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/Picture0151-1.jpg

[slowcamaro]

Ugh...guess I better get back to work.

[dropit69]

i love the 3rd gens also my brother has a mint 88 iroc 350 with like 50k miles..never drives it hardly and wont let me drive it ..not sure why..lol..

[BossaNova]

J.C.,
This is why I like 3rd gens.......they're a very clean design.
Nice car!
Good thread Mr. V. I'm heading over to CraigsList right now!


The money pit.... thats what mine was....

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/Picture0151-1.jpg

[class67]

That first pic does look pretty cool....I've had three first gens (in my younger years) and always liked them. They are fun to drive, I often think about getting another one to fix up, but have not gottne around to it......yet!

[MuscleRodz]

Only car i ever regret selling y '90 IROC with 5.7. I am looking for a decent one now for a semi DD to play with. If you want to see one expensive third gen, look up Nelson Supercars

[cheapthrillz]

J.C.,
This is why I like 3rd gens.......they're a very clean design.
Nice car!
Good thread Mr. V. I'm heading over to CraigsList right now!

Thanks Mark... I did regret letting that one go. It was a definite head-turner, but I just couldn't afford to keep it going. I will have another one day, but not right now.

[BonzoHansen]

they do have great potential, but unfortunately they got a bad rep from the white trash destroying them.


They picked up that torch from 2nd gens. Now that torch is moving to 4th gens, which are deteriorating as we speak.

[blackbeast]

I've got one. Just turned 80,000 miles on a trip to kentucky. Future plans call for wheels, and all the drivetrain from my S-10 (gm 330 HO, 6 speed). Will probably put in a tubular K-member when I motor swap. Brakes from an LS1, and SFC's. Hopefully get started on the mods this winter. Till then driving the wheels off of it.

This thing is bone stock, down to the exhaust manifolds and air pump. I took me over a year to find a near rust free car that hadn't been torn up or abused, I think that is the main reason that there are not that many around. Fox body's are a dime a dozen, much harder to find one of these.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[BADNBLK]

Represent!!!!
My 91 Z28, Baer track plus brakes, Spohn adjustable almost everything he offers, 18x9 & 18x10 ROH wheels, Hurst shifted T56, and a ton of bolt on performance and dress up items...

- most recent pics... at a show of course



Mr. V - I would give a nut for one of the PrimeWorks Heat extractor hoods....

[FirstGenZq8]

dammit blackbeast, i really thought that 94 s10 was the end all be all. it will be missed, but your combo in a 3rd gen will be hella nice too.

4 or 5 in here: http://www.bozeforged.com/chevy1.html

[class67]

dammit blackbeast, i really thought that 94 s10 was the end all be all. it will be missed, but your combo in a 3rd gen will be hella nice too.

4 or 5 in here: http://www.bozeforged.com/chevy1.html

:machine:

You're banned for saying "Hella" :enguard:j/k...

[FirstGenZq8]

DOH i forgot about that hellaflush deal LOL.

[blackbeast]

dammit blackbeast, i really thought that 94 s10 was the end all be all. it will be missed, but your combo in a 3rd gen will be hella nice too.

4 or 5 in here: http://www.bozeforged.com/chevy1.html


94, hell that was an 84. rust got the best of it. I saved all the pricey bits, and parted all the s-10 specific stuff.

next time I go home I'll snap some pics of it sitting in the junkyard.

sad . . . glad to see yours is still going.

I always wanted a 3rd gen anyways, but couldn't afford a nice one so I bought the blazer way back when.

[derekf]

It is entirely possible that my next car will be a third gen.. it's on the REAL short list.

[WS6]

I love the late 3rd gen Zs and any GTA. These cars are capable of so much. They are a fantastic starting point for a good all around build. Unfortunately, so many of them have been beaten to hell and back.

[Modo Innovations]

Aren't the 3rd gen suspensions the same as the 4th gens? I think I was told that by someone.

I like the later IROCs the best.

[Taylor1969]

Aren't the 3rd gen suspensions the same as the 4th gens? I think I was told that by someone.

I like the later IROCs the best.



Nope - they are definitely different.

[nickdoe6]

Those are some nice third-gens guys.
We're always looking for these cars for the magazine, but have a hard time finding them in magazine-worthy condition.
Email your pics to [email protected] and we'll do something about it.
Let's see 'em!

Nick L.

[72ratnova]

I had a Red/Black stripe 92 5.7l Z28 ,great car almost wish I had it back......

my first car was a 92 5.7l red/black z28, i wish i had it back too

[Chevrolaine]

I'm lovin mine more every time I drive it! Don't know why I didn't buy one sooner. Painted it 16 months ago and just cut and buff it last week. Shoulda done that sooner also!:idea:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/08/misc148-1.jpg

[TraviZ28]

Mine is pretty much finished under the skin, and the exterior is saved for last, the new body panels are attached and the paint comes when I have saved enough cash. Don't worry, I don't drive it much like this, so I consider it a project, and not white trash :)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/l_5e317023a477436d913c6c7ba776aea4-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/l_4e18acda7fb440668a0536178779911b-1.jpg

[slowcamaro]

Well If we're doing the picture thing

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/5462111-1.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=2111)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/54639963-1.jpg (http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?action=viewimg&id=39963)

[Johnny Blaze]

They can't get past the mullet stigma.

I have my 88 iroc drag car, and my 92 is a daily driver. It is a 305 5 speed, but I am doing suspension mods to it, while keeping it stock looking.

Love them myself, trying to convince the misses in getting one for herself for a driver.

[srh3trinity]

Nice third gens hiding out on the boards. Anybody know what kind of wheels are on the first car that Mr. V posted? I have seen some of the Japanese cars on the third gen sites and they are all really nice.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

i know what they are.. they are BBS LMs..

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[srh3trinity]

I thought they were BBS's. Thanks for confirming. They look perfect on that car.

[brn agn]

Between my wife and I, we have owned 3 third gens (1987 IROC-Z 305 TPI-5 speed, 1989 Turbo Trans Am, 1985 Sport Coupe) Below are pictures of her car (which she bought 14 years ago and we resurrected last summer). I'm beginning a brake upgrade on the front this weekend. It is is getting 13" C5 rotors and calipers. My friends in college teased me after I bought my IROC-Z. They told me that the only thing I was missing was a mullet and a switch blade in my sock. :)


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[Mr.VENGEANCE]

They told me that the only thing I was missing was a mullet and a switch blade in my sock. :)


you act like that isnt a complement.. a funny haircut and a knife?

[tracar91]

Personally, I love my 3rd gens. It does get frustrating not getting any respect at car shows and such. I hope my car is helping to change the stigma.

http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?carid=487

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2460889

[blackbeast]

Personally, I love my 3rd gens. It does get frustrating not getting any respect at car shows and such. I hope my car is helping to change the stigma.

http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?carid=487

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2460889


was your car at the F-body nationals at indy last summer?

if so, nice car.

[BossaNova]

Have you installed that LS engine that's in one of the pictures?


Personally, I love my 3rd gens. It does get frustrating not getting any respect at car shows and such. I hope my car is helping to change the stigma.

http://www.fquick.com/garages/viewgallery.php?carid=487

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2460889

Oops. Didn't notice your sig.

[tracar91]

was your car at the F-body nationals at indy last summer?

if so, nice car.

Yep, I was there. I was at the tech seminars for the new Camaro when the rains came, hood and windows down. Drove from Louisville to Indy and back and averaged 25 mpg. I do love my LS1 and six speed.

[tracar91]

Have you installed that LS engine that's in one of the pictures?

Took me a while, since I had to clean years of gunk from under the hood, But I wouldn't go back to a old style small block.

[Twentyover]

.............. My friends in college teased me after I bought my IROC-Z. They told me that the only thing I was missing was a mullet and a switch blade in my sock. :)



When I got my second gen, brother told me I'd need to start wearing black AC/DC T-shirts w/ no sleeves and cut my hair into a mullet.

I asked him, what hair?

[70TWO NOVA]

Those are some nice third-gens guys.
We're always looking for these cars for the magazine, but have a hard time finding them in magazine-worthy condition.
Email your pics to [email protected] and we'll do something about it.
Let's see 'em!

Nick L.
Ill defintely send in some pics once my fiance and I finish the paint on it. She would love to see her car in a magazine!

[Henry D]

I have a soft spot for third-gens and currently building one; granted it's not a street car, but I do have my eyes open for another one.

Also, we built one for LeMons - fortunately it survived to see another event. :)

That said, if anyone ever wanted to get one - there's plenty of nice ones available for a decent price.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/IMG_0350-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/IMG_0348-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/rc2-1.jpg

[70TWO NOVA]

any more pics/specs on the blue one?

[lunatic_magnet]

this is mine, recently painted. still need to color sand it.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Aschle]

Those are some nice third-gens guys.
We're always looking for these cars for the magazine, but have a hard time finding them in magazine-worthy condition.
Email your pics to [email protected] and we'll do something about it.
Let's see 'em!

Nick L.


I have sent my info in 3 times now and not even a "your car sucks" reply... nothing...

http://www.fquick.com/RU-QWIK

Jason

[Chevrolaine]

I have sent my info in 3 times now and not even a "your car sucks" reply... nothing...Jason

Bummer, sent mine once and it was in print 2 months later. Woot!
Keep the faith brother!

[KJZ28]

I love third gens. I have a 1986 Trans Am and my bro has a 87 IROC.


It is easier and cheaper to make these cars handle amazing than any other american car.

[TraviZ28]

I have sent my info in 3 times now and not even a "your car sucks" reply... nothing...

http://www.fquick.com/RU-QWIK

Jason

'Sup Jason.

[nekkidhillbilly]

thread is very truman gates next of kin style

[70TWO NOVA]

painted the top black yesterday. still have to fix the bumper though
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[SatisTraction]

nice ride :1st:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/P6197888-1.jpg

[BADNBLK]

painted the top black yesterday. still have to fix the bumper though
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/100_1482-1.jpg


Brian I like the look! Since you have to paint the front spoiler anyway, update to 91 -92, and maybe try and shave of the "air vents" for pre- 91 side look, with the more aggressive front?

Is that 82-84 Z28 hood? Looks like it, but non-functional?:hammer:

[70TWO NOVA]

Brian I like the look! Since you have to paint the front spoiler anyway, update to 91 -92, and maybe try and shave of the "air vents" for pre- 91 side look, with the more aggressive front?

Is that 82-84 Z28 hood? Looks like it, but non-functional?:hammer:
Thanks, I was thinking about changing out the front spoiler too, but in the interest of money we are gonna keep it all 90 (since this is a budget project for my fiance and I). The Hood is actually the stock 90 louvered hood that we cut up to make functional. Wanted something different. It should help cool the engine compartment in the hot summers he we have here lol

[BADNBLK]

Thanks, I was thinking about changing out the front spoiler too, but in the interest of money we are gonna keep it all 90 (since this is a budget project for my fiance and I). The Hood is actually the stock 90 louvered hood that we cut up to make functional. Wanted something different. It should help cool the engine compartment in the hot summers he we have here lol

I think that the hood looks really good, and would love to see some more pics of it! I have been thinking of making my 91-92 power blister hood functional..... But still waiting for MR.V to tell me he can get a carbon fiber heat extractor hood in a suit case :idea:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I would but i got 2 Geisha girls in there fighting for my attention already.. good thing i got enough Sake to calm the nerves.

[Neil B]

I was working on a 3rd gen concept a couple of years ago:
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29442

I made the decision to delay the build due to new projects and dollars/sense.

This is the car I was going to use and is really nice as is (currently for sale):
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54455

Check out the RadRides.com site. Someone is having Troy go crazy on a 3rd gen. Can't wait to see how that one turns out.

[slowcamaro]

I was working on a 3rd gen concept a couple of years ago:
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29442



That thing is quite inspirational for, so much so Ive tweaked it multiple times in photoshop to try to figure out how I want to lay out my paint and a few other ideas. So if you see that rendering pop up in orange somewhere, its probably my fault. Thanks.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

this one is pretty raw..

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/33c9ixs-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/200pb9e-1.jpg

[rich_fbodySS]

My '92 RS (owned since new) 270K miles.
Crate motor, TKO, 3.73 Gears, Lots of mods, worth about 1/20th of what I've got in it.
-Rich-

[srh3trinity]

My '92 RS (owned since new) 270K miles.
Crate motor, TKO, 3.73 Gears, Lots of mods, worth about 1/20th of what I've got in it.
-Rich-

I would beg to differ, that car is priceless to you. Looks great and I can't even begin to imagine the history. Never sell it!

[67z28]

Here's mine that never gets driven..mostly stock with some bolt ons.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/side-1.jpg

[American]

Where is this car? Any interior shots? Specs/info?

I just wish I had enough hair for a mullet! I've been thinking about building an IROC...LS1/6 touring car...this one sure hit's the mark.


saw this car and got a stiffy...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/24962320134_large-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/24962320130_large-1.jpg

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

not sure.. it was on Cardomain.com

im sure its on there have a look.

[American]

Thanks...got lucky and found it. Tons of info, specs and pics. If you have an Aug 2008 Hot Rod magazine laying around it's in there too.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2496232

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[Mr.VENGEANCE]

damn that looks SERIOUS!

[BADNBLK]

damn that looks SERIOUS!

He put down some serious numbers for a stock bottom end 305! 459HP, and 479tq..... I need a pro-charger!!!

[h_leadfoot]

This is a friends Camaro 3-gen.
If there are any questions just shoot because the forum is in swedish.. :1st:

http://www.camaroforumet.se/viewtopic.php?id=6577&p=1

[Lowend]

The car looks great...
But I really can't consider the 3rd gen F-Body or the Fox Body Mustang for that matter to be pro touring cars.
Factory F/I, factory overdriver transmissions, factory 4-wheel discbrakes with ABS.

Again the cars can be very cool (I had one), but you have to draw the pro-touring line somewhere.

Thoughts??

[American]

I agree...

[tracar91]

The car looks great...
But I really can't consider the 3rd gen F-Body or the Fox Body Mustang for that matter to be pro touring cars.
Factory F/I, factory overdriver transmissions, factory 4-wheel discbrakes with ABS.

Again the cars can be very cool (I had one), but you have to draw the pro-touring line somewhere.

Thoughts??

So my 17 year old car that I have upgraded the engine, trans, brakes, suspension, interior, and exterior isn't considered a
"pro-touring car"? I thought the point of pro-touring was to make an older car a better performing by using newer technology.

I absolutely consider my car both a street fighter and a pro-touring car. We all can't afford to have 69 camaros or mustang fastbacks.

[BADNBLK]

The car looks great...
But I really can't consider the 3rd gen F-Body or the Fox Body Mustang for that matter to be pro touring cars.
Factory F/I, factory overdriver transmissions, factory 4-wheel discbrakes with ABS.

Again the cars can be very cool (I had one), but you have to draw the pro-touring line somewhere.

Thoughts??

I can agree to an extent... Most "pro-touring" cars are much older and having to over come some challenges that the 3rd gens did not (fuel injection and overdrive). In the case of the third gen the benefits that are listed as reasons "we" do not fit the criteria, don't count in my view as the Factory F.I. is inadequate for making what is an average HP numbers around here. Neither of the overdrive transmissions will hold up to any additional power. 4 wheel disc is optional on some Z28/IROCS, and still when equipped, you get 10" discs! (69 Z28 = 4 wheel disc). Some of us still had to convert from drums. ABS was not available at all, and not like any one else around here is out running to install ABS on their 1st gen.

Basically, even though we got some improved parts for being a newer car. Those parts are still have to be upgraded and replaced as almost everyone else is having to do to get the handling and performance that they expect from a "pro-touring" vehicle.

But still, nobody ever walks up to my car and says "I like the pro- touring style you got going" Oh well :)

[American]

Well...let's put it like this.

My 88 has received a modified 350TPI engine with a 700R4, better brakes via upgraded discs and a Ford 8.8 rear for more strength. I have racing seats and Corbeau harnesses, AutoMeter gauges, aluminum radiator, modified suspension....many of the things that most of the members have done here.



My 88 happens to also be a Jeep YJ but I doubt you would consider it a Pro Touring rig.

My point is that your IROC/Z28/Camaro, etc will probably get around a race track faster than a stock 68 Camaro because it has better brakes/suspension from the factory and except for a few examples just about as much power.

I think Pro Touring is more about bringing old iron up to modern specs. Now....having said that, comparing a 92 Camaro to a 09 Vette might be the same but the origination of Pro Touring was and I think still is, geared towards older 60's and 70's vehicles.

[blackbeast]

Can we not have this dumb-ass pro-touring definition discussion again.


back on topic:

lingenfelter sticker, I know nothing about it, but the possibilities are endless:

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[American]

I'm seriously tempted in building a Gen 3 car. Quite frankly, as much as I love the 70-73 stuff I'm tired of looking at outrageously expensive rust buckets as a starting point.

The IROC from the first post is a very good example. I want something that is hop in and drive across Texas dependable and will still blur your vision when angered.

And maybe it's old age getting to me, a high school nostalgia thing but when I was in school in the mid 80's and the Gen 3's had come out most of us either had or knew buddies that drove Gen 2 F bodies so we were tainted. I had a 78 TA and sure didn't like the Gen 3 Firebirds, still don't but I'll be damned if the IROC aren't making me look twice now.

Maybe a real nasty black on black LS6 IROC with all of the goodies?

[FirstGenZq8]

17" boyd coddington jr. camaro RS style wheels. kinda neat: http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/auto-detailing-appearance/534275-introducing-new-wheel-boyd.html

[h_leadfoot]

This is a friends Camaro 3-gen.
If there are any questions just shoot because the forum is in swedish.. :1st:

http://www.camaroforumet.se/viewtopic.php?id=6577&p=1

No one? :lurk:

[BADNBLK]

No one? :lurk:

The car looks pretty cool. I don't care for the rear deck lid extension, but thats just me. Why did he put so much work into the front fenders pie cutting and making wider, when the wheels he chose don't come close to utilizing the space?

Overall. There is a lot of cool bracing and metal work I would love to adapt into my build someday... NICE CAR!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

interesting Japanese 3rd Gen.. AAR style?

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[BADNBLK]

interesting Japanese 3rd Gen.. AAR style?


Would be interesting to know what it says in the white on 1/4 panel? Hopefully not AAR, but with the panther pink and stripes I bet it does! :bsjerk:

[WS6]

That is sick. I love it even if it is Mopar. Hell, it looks good on Steve's 68 too.

[WS6]

No one? :lurk:

I have no questions but do tell your friend has has done a fine job on his car. Very cool car indeed.

[Zee]

What's up with all of these cars making it over to Japan?

[Zee]

I had an 84 Z28 L69, 5 speed with rear disc and no T-tops. Overall a good car but if you wanna know why they are not more popular it is simple. The chassis is flimsy, as is the rear end, as is the trans. The only thing weaker than the brakes is the HP rating of most of the engines and as soon as you start making power, that which was working...breaks. There is no way to put a real exhaust under the car and have any kind of ground clearance and just try and replace one of the in tank pumps. After people broke just about every part they could trying to break out of the 14 sec. zone.......People did then, what they do now...buy a Mustang or restomod vintage iron.

I don't want to sound like a hater. If you are committed to putting in a HD rear end, trans, cooling system, fuel system, higher capacity brakes and major league chassis stiffining before making any kind of real power, then by all means, have at it. The cars are relatively light and still look pretty handsome after all this time.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

What's up with all of these cars making it over to Japan?

whats up with all these japanese cars making over here?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif



lol!

[MrQuick]

I love the look of the 3rd gens. Heres my wifes car taken at the last track day it attended. I know SHAME on me!!! Its a track only car because my wife ripped out the old 305 slapped in a crate motor and placed ALL the smog equiptment in the trash....do you realize how hard that stuff is to find?
pictures are huge cause its the only way to apprieciate them. LOL
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31687&d=1249091855

tramp stamp shot! haaahaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31688&d=1249091855

[T_Raven]

I know I always loved 3rd gens. Never understood the lack of respect for them. I'm partial to GTAs though this is the second 89 gta I've owned
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/08/P6290152-1.jpg

[slowcamaro]

This thread needs more mullet.

[BMF Machine]

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52507&highlight=nelson+supercar
Baddest 3rd gen ever!

WickeD, WickeD, WickeD!!!!!!! MakeS me want a MulleT!

[Throttle]

My little brother had a 1987 IROC-Z that I loved, he sold it to send his GF at the time to some place over seas.. :(

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4002692861_25a8679bd1_b-1.jpg


I like these also.. :D

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4003456664_4cd7fed32f-1.jpghttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4002692981_d05815e0c6-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4003455666_abdfeaa940_o-1.jpg

[Code Red]

ive considered 3rd gens I thought about doing a knight rider inspired bird but with some modifications

[Ash]

Man...I just got misty eyed reading through the thread. Bringing back boatload of memories. I never should have sold my first car, a 82 Firebird SE. Stupid Stupid Stupid

[The Stickman]

Not mine just a cool pic i found.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/84Z28TransAm-1.jpg

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

niiiiiiiceee!!!

[DarkBuddha]

Why is it that they all look pretty cool in these pics, but every time I see one in person I just shake my head? Perhaps it's because they're usually being driven by mullet headed rednecks in faded black hair metal t-shirts? Could be...

BTW, after looking at all these pics, the biggest styling tragedy for these cars must be a cowl hood... not at all complimentary to the car's lines.

[silver69camaro]

My issue with those cars is the strut suspensions, and the narrow wheelbase combined with a 192" length. They're 7" shorter in the wheelbase than a first and second gen, but 6" longer in length.

[Chuck Byram]

Just found this thread a couple of days ago. I'm on my third 3rd gen. I have always liked their looks more than I disliked the whole mullet/hair metal thing. IMO the best looking Camaro of all time is the split bumper 2nd gen, then the 3rd, the 1st, (can't hang with the chopped off front end) the 5th and the 4th. Just my taste. As far as the performance and handling weaknesses are concerned; that's why we have DSE, Global West, Wilwood, etc., etc., etc. Hopefully the 3rds will get more respect as time passes. In my town, virtually every time I take my '89 IROC out for a spin, some thirtysomething guy at a stop light offers to buy it. The best was a guy who said: "It sounds angry!" Thank you Chevrolet and Flowmaster!:camaro:

[FSTFBDY]

3rdGens look the best imo. I love my 1st Gens also.

This is my 92 vert in the works. engine is done. needs tuned. exterior needs wing and paint.finish off roll bar,

Doing the 2 tone thing. black on top, white on bottom.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/vertatbeach21-1.jpg

info on car in sig

[Kenova]

I always liked the roof line of the 3rd gen rag tops when the roof was up. If the same roof had been available in steel I would have one.

Ken

[Viperlover]

Here is my buddy's 82 Trans Am. Had been in a trailer since 92' with only 35k miles.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[FSTFBDY]

I always liked the roof line of the 3rd gen rag tops when the roof was up. If the same roof had been available in steel I would have one.

Ken

x2,
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/CarStuff/92%20vert/Norfolk%20Beach/vertatbeach16.jpg

once of these days I plan to make a fiberglass hardtop for it.

[shortrack]

heres my 89 third gen I picked up for $3500 a month ago....

had a 87 since 1990 but it needed alot of work to get it back on the road.....this thing came up....almost identical to my old one, 305 tpi, 5 spd, 4 whl disc....put my good "one line" (thirdgen speak) 87 wheels on it new tires, new brakes and an O2 sensor and Im rollin'....buffed up the faded paint got the car professionally detailed and steam cleaned to get the stench out....feels really good....sold my other one in a heartbeat, the guy is going to put an LS1 and 6spd in it

let all my fiends go for a drive in it.....then the "no respect" third gen has plenty of respect when they get back, they love it, nothing like a clean running torquey v8 and a slick shifting 5spd.....I tell them to find an open stretch of road get to 1500 rpm in 4th and floor it to redline and hold on while the tpi pulls cleanly from 15mph to over 100.

I want to make a "GT'/mild track day car out of this one, frame connectors, aftermarket track bar, lower control arms, Koni's, GOOD stereo, some nice sport seats.....something I wouldnt hesitate to hop in and in a moments notice and drive cross country with the A/C on....at this point I got like 5gs in the car


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/DSC02046-1.jpg

[Twin_Turbo]

Here's my 87 build:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24ad1179ca62fa-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24ad1179f09f7f-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24aededb6d5501-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24ad23a4a9ed8f-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24adf7458f2e20-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24a9d6bcead085-1.jpg

It's sort of a pro touring. Lowered susp. w/ upgrades (eibachs, konis, baer 13" track brakes, all poly bushings, J&M strut towers, strut tower brace, full stainless exhaust, beefed up 700R4, Procharged 350, watts linkage, 12" rear calipers, 9 bolt w/ upgrades & girdle cover...blablablabla)

[shortrack]

Nice!....do you have a build thread on here?..Id love to see all the details.

[Chuck Byram]

Twin Turbo,
I'm like Shortrack; more details please!! My red '89 IROC has all the suspension goodies Global West had in their inventory back in '99 plus Wilwood frontbrakes and Fikse FM5s. (collector's items now, I suppose) There's also some other stuff; blablabla like you said. The project is currently stalled because of-big surprise-money and I'd love to hear more about a project similar to mine that's actually moving forward! :twothumbs
Best,
Chuck

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

now THATS what im talking about!

[Twin_Turbo]

No thread here, but I do have one on 3rdgen. It's nothing really spectacular..just a street build. I didn't want to go all crazy with it like on the 77 and especially the 82 vette (which I haven't worked on in over 2 years)

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/members-camaros/537330-pulling-apart-my-87-a.html

[jeff s]

I like 3rd gens. My family has 3 of them, 82 ta, 89rs, 91 ta.

[shortrack]

No thread here, but I do have one on 3rdgen. It's nothing really spectacular..just a street build. I didn't want to go all crazy with it like on the 77 and especially the 82 vette (which I haven't worked on in over 2 years)

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/members-camaros/537330-pulling-apart-my-87-a.html

www.thirdgen.org (http://www.thirdgen.org) is an awesome site....

[slowcamaro]

www.thirdgen.org (http://www.thirdgen.org) is an awesome site....

Yeah...until you answer the same question, again, and again, and again...

[BADNBLK]

I like 3rd gens. My family has 3 of them, 82 ta, 89rs, 91 ta.

Jeff I'd really like to see what you could do with one, so maybe if you need a donor car for twin turbo LS3 or something... Call me :hammer:

[DaleBird82]

Jeff I'd really like to see what you could do with one, so maybe if you need a donor car for twin turbo LS3 or something... Call me :hammer:

The 89 and 91's are both stock (for now) :)
my 82 is 'complete' for the time being.

[z28evans]

I've had this IROC for ~14 yrs now. 3 years ago swapped in an ls1 / t56. Has suspension mods, ground control setup, etc. Handles nicely, nothing too fancy. I do a little of everything - auto-x, drag, track day, but my main pleasure is drifting.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/normal_ls1complete1-1.jpg

(I have since gotten rid of the restrictive stock TPI intake setup)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/normal_iroclower1-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/normal_IMG_6859ed-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/normal_lsb131-1.jpg

Video of us playing around -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ERW_DyecZU

I like the way they look, etc.

James

[gotmonte]

that first camaro is awesome! And the first page from Mr. Vengance the white camaro. Some sick rides on here.

I had a 89 Iroc Fully loaded to the hill! Even the stupid overhead console and compass. I just sold it this year. But I bought it this year too. LOL.

Bought it from a friend who was going through a tough divorce. Once he realized she wasnt gonna try and get the car from him, I sold it back to him for same price (although I busted my ass fixing it up AND taking out the ****ing stupid ricer gauges and blue indiglo lighting under the dash).

Such rice. lol

But anyways, back to the subject.. sick cars

[jerrys85iroc]

Im building a 89 RS myself....im starting from a shell and parts car...got alot of work to do and any advise and ideas would be alot of help...

[shortrack]

any advise and ideas would be alot of help...

seriously - flog your parts car and shell and fix up something that already runs and drives.....in the end you ll save yourself a pile of dough and you'll be on the road much faster.....that's what I did.....had my old Iroc sitting in the garage for years.....when I started adding up what it would cost me to get that car up and running it cost me less than half that to buy the one I have now that runs and drives and that doesn't take into account what I got for my old Iroc.....third gens are still cheap....nice ones can still be found for under 5gs.....5gs doesn't go far in body/paint & engine work.

[shortrack]

I've had this IROC for ~14 yrs now. 3 years ago swapped in an ls1 / t56. Has suspension mods, ground control setup, etc. Handles nicely, nothing too fancy. I do a little of everything - auto-x, drag, track day, but my main pleasure is drifting.


(I have since gotten rid of the restrictive stock TPI intake setup)


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/normal_IMG_6859ed-1.jpg



Nice.....what susp mods do you have?......whats a "ground control"?

[shortrack]

a few more........

[JohnUlaszek]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/normal_IMG_6859ed-1.jpg



Just goes to show, the best looking 4th gens are 3d gens.

[joe5.8]

just found this post

i also found some pretty interesting old articles on thirdgen.com

http://www.thirdgen.org/media-articles

[BADNBLK]

Nice.....what susp mods do you have?......whats a "ground control"?

Ground Control is brand of suspension parts, but I think that he is using their weight jack system? with coil overs.

Nice car BTW!!!:smoke:

[Neil B]

As an owner of a 3rd gen, my perspective is that the biggest issue with spending money on these cars is that, no matter what you spend on it, when it comes time to sell nobody wants to pay more than $4-6K on the finished product. REALLY nice cars or 1LEs go for maybe $8-10K.

[BADNBLK]

As an owner of a 3rd gen, my perspective is that the biggest issue with spending money on these cars is that, no matter what you spend on it, when it comes time to sell nobody wants to pay more than $4-6K on the finished product. REALLY nice cars or 1LEs go for maybe $8-10K.

I haven't ever tried to sell mine, but I know that you right about that. This was a problem with 2nd gens at one point in time, and I'm sure that the 3rd generation will continue to increase in value and aftermarket support will follow.

[Adore]

Only photoshop can give inspiration for third gens pro tourings..lol

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif



I am slowly thinking rebuilding my 87 GTA but needs a lot off work to get there

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

at least its a 5spd car!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

on the blue one..

right?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/IMG_9431_yuta_shakotan_S30_240Z20copy-1.jpg


ALL of those pshops need to come true..

[jtmiller92]

I had this car for 10 years before selling it last year, bought it while stationed at Ft Bragg in 98. Its an LS1/T56 conversion car with a mild 224 cam. Basicly the only thing left stock on the car was the body right down to the steel hood. Ran 11's in the 1/4 and drove 60 miles to and from the track. I miss the car but after 10 years wanted something else, I am building a 67 Camaro now.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_0043-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_00501-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_0044-1.jpg

[Adore]

on the blue one..

right?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/IMG_9431_yuta_shakotan_S30_240Z20copy-1.jpg


ALL of those pshops need to come true..


DUDE!! right on the money!

[shortrack]

I had this car for 10 years before selling it last year, bought it while stationed at Ft Bragg in 98. Its an LS1/T56 conversion car with a mild 224 cam. Basicly the only thing left stock on the car was the body right down to the steel hood. Ran 11's in the 1/4 and drove 60 miles to and from the track. I miss the car but after 10 years wanted something else, I am building a 67 Camaro now.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_0043-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_00501-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_0044-1.jpg

11's.......Nice!
Did your A/C and everything work?
Is there a build thread.....?

[jtmiller92]

No build thread but lots of misc posts at thirdgen.org. You can see more pics at the my old rides link. There are videos somewhere of it at the track, It ran 11.82 at 123mph N/A and had it down to 11.25 at 129mph on the bottle with a 1.86 60ft. This was on 18" wheels with BFG drag radials. It had 10's in it just needed alittle more work.

My Old Rides (http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/jtmiller92/MY%2092%20LS1%20RS/?albumview=grid)

[srh3trinity]

Great looking car. What kind of suspension mods on the car? I may be missing something, but the drivers rear tire looks off in the shot from the tail panel down the drivers side of the car.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_0043-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_00501-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_0044-1.jpg[/QUOTE]

[Adore]

Again another Photoshoped motivation pic... I really like it.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[T_Raven]

Here's one I did in paint. Now if I could just find a set of these wheels cheap
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/P6290152copy-1.jpg

[BADNBLK]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/08/IMG_0043-1.jpg


JT - Man I loved this car as you were building it on TGO. I was sad to see it start disappearing piece by piece in the for sale section, but alot of people got some great parts from you. Good luck with your first gen.

[FSTFBDY]

As an owner of a 3rd gen, my perspective is that the biggest issue with spending money on these cars is that, no matter what you spend on it, when it comes time to sell nobody wants to pay more than $4-6K on the finished product. REALLY nice cars or 1LEs go for maybe $8-10K.


x2, I have $9800 tied up in drive train stuff. All the spohn suspension you can toss at a 3rdgen. etc... Tried to get rid of the car back in Norfolk. Nothing. few well its only a $3k 3rdgen.

Ya it needs paint. Thats the last thing I was doing. 92 25th Anniv. droptop. listed in sig....... Said screw it had it shipped to Fl. with me. Keeping it will paint it this next year.



Miss my 85 TA also.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/SSrims4low-1.jpg

[shortrack]

FSTFBDY - how do you like the car after you put all the Spohn stuff in it....???

[FSTFBDY]

FSTFBDY - how do you like the car after you put all the Spohn stuff in it....???


Cant really answer that question. I drove to NJ and bought the vert as a rolling chassis. and put all the suspension stuff on it. Then the 383, etc..

Right now its just on cut ws6 springs. while I await a global west weight jack setup.

If your thinking of suspension the best thing to do 1st is Good tires and Shocks/struts

[david068513]

I have a 1992 Z28 350 G92 car. It was my first car. Got it when I was 14 and still have it and will never sell it.

here are a few pics


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/S10andCamaro008-1.jpg


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/S10andCamaro022-1.jpg

[FirstGenZq8]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Steve1968LS2]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

See, now that's a third-gen we would feature.. do you know the guy?

email me at [email protected]

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

whooooooaaaaaaahhhhhh..........

glad i made this thread

[FirstGenZq8]

found those pics on http://www.trueforgedwheels.com/ 's gallery page. contact them and say you're the muscle behind CP. hopefully they'll give you some contact info.

[Neil B]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Love it! Tasteful, yet bad to the bone. I wonder if it's on air. It takes a lot of work to get one that low and still be useable.

[BADNBLK]

That car was featured in the camarosource.ca 2009 calender with mine... I can't remember his screen name, but will look when I get home. I love the new wheels!!!

[Steve1968LS2]

found those pics on http://www.trueforgedwheels.com/ 's gallery page. contact them and say you're the muscle behind CP. hopefully they'll give you some contact info.

Well, I'm more like the gristle behind CP.. but thanks for the tip! :)

[Neil B]

Found this one on TGO. It has an LSx swap and is on air ride.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSCN0828-1.jpg

[BADNBLK]

Here is a link to his cardomain page... http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2561989

[FirstGenZq8]

Found this one on TGO. It has an LSx swap and is on air ride.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSCN0828-1.jpg

sweet car! are those e46 headlights???

[Samckitt]

What is this intake:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24aededb6d5501-1.jpg
Looks like a cross between a TPI intake, an LT1 intake, & GM's Ram Jet intake.

And lastly, what is this rearend:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24adf7458f2e20-1.jpg
I am curious because that is the type of rear swaybar I want to put on the Monte.

[Chevrolaine]

Not sure of the rearend but the swaybar looks like a factory thirdgen unit.

[FirstGenZq8]

sweet car! are those e46 headlights???

e36 headlights. http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/member.php?u=30211

[1984 camaro]

My little brother had a 1987 IROC-Z that I loved, he sold it to send his GF at the time to some place over seas.. :(

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4002692861_25a8679bd1_b-1.jpg


I like these also.. :D

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4003456664_4cd7fed32f-1.jpghttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4002692981_d05815e0c6-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/4003455666_abdfeaa940_o-1.jpg
The white camaro looks cool

[slowcamaro]

The white camaro looks cool

LOL @ this guy...

[1984 camaro]

Just trying to continue third gen chat I have been a member for years on this site but very little 3 gen stuff comes up. These cars will have there day but that will be a few more years. :)

[BuddyP]

See, now that's a third-gen we would feature.. do you know the guy?

email me at [email protected]
And that's very close to how I'd like to build one.... if someone was interested enough in my '68 project as it sat.

[BuddyP]

Just trying to continue third gen chat I have been a member for years on this site but very little 3 gen stuff comes up. These cars will have there day but that will be a few more years. :)
Your car is awsome. I've always had a soft spot for 3rd gens. If I could find a roller close to what yours looks like I'd give up my '68 project!

[1984 camaro]

Your car is awsome. I've always had a soft spot for 3rd gens. If I could find a roller close to what yours looks like I'd give up my '68 project!
Thanks buddyp That means alot. But to give up a 68 for a third gen now thats over the top. I would say keep the 68 and find a third gen to build
Randy

[hybrid36]

Here's our 3rd Gen bodied Super late model

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/speed36-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/kawartha1-1.jpg

[toxik iroc]

I guess ill add to this thread...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/204-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[BuddyP]

Thanks buddyp That means alot. But to give up a 68 for a third gen now thats over the top. I would say keep the 68 and find a third gen to build
Randy
I love my '68 but with limited funds it's going to take a long time to build... I just keep thinking how much cheaper a 3rd could be, and how much sooner I could have a car to drive?! But if I was to do that, I'd be a picky SOB!

[toxik iroc]

I love my '68 but with limited funds it's going to take a long time to build... I just keep thinking how much cheaper a 3rd could be, and how much sooner I could have a car to drive?! But if I was to do that, I'd be a picky SOB!


It adds up quick. very very quick , my swap was just gona be an intake....... and then its not even done yet but have gotten most done. wheels/tires/bear brakes full suspension, sound syteme, interor is coming with paint. new weather strippin. hood and almost everything under the hood. probly the best thing to do is make a list of what your goals are and what you want and stick to it .

[2ndgenhunter]

What is this intake:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24aededb6d5501-1.jpg
Looks like a cross between a TPI intake, an LT1 intake, & GM's Ram Jet intake.

And lastly, what is this rearend:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/11/24adf7458f2e20-1.jpg
I am curious because that is the type of rear swaybar I want to put on the Monte.
That rearend is an aussi 9 bolt from a 88-90 trans am GTA.

That intake looks like a arizona speed and marine unit, But its been so long since I'v seen 1 my memory is a lil fuzzy.

[2ndgenhunter]

Everytime I read this tread I want to go drag my 87 iroc out of mothballs and start on it.

The sad thing is, Its been parked since 02 cause a bad fuel pump relay. LOL Atleast I kept the mile low.

[DaviRotten]

Wow Im really suprised at how I constantly see in this thread people saying they dont see any 3rd gens here.. As for pro touring cars I think 3rd gens are a ideal car.. All the talk there not old enough bs is jus a bunch of bs from people who are to narrow minded because of how deep there pockets are and how cheap 80's can be had for.. growing up I had tons of these cars.. I owned about 8 of them.. I havent owned one now for about 8 years and recently had a ich to start looking for another.. I was thinking how nice it would be to own a super clean vert to tool around in.... Maybe grow a mullet out if the army will let me..If not maybe switch it up to a flat top. Anywho.. These cars can be made to preform on a serious level they can handle like a dream with jus a lil bit of work.. POST UP MORE PICS!

[slownova73]

heres my friends old 91 he sold just after we paited it and put the z28 wing on!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/camaro6-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/l_620d16645d8a47fb87d9c69f185e1cb0-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/xdgh-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/camaro5-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/gh-1.jpg

[Twin_Turbo]

That rearend is an aussi 9 bolt from a 88-90 trans am GTA.

That intake looks like a arizona speed and marine unit, But its been so long since I'v seen 1 my memory is a lil fuzzy.


The rear end is a borg warner 9 bolt but they didn't just come in GTAs, up to 89 all L98s (5.7s) got those, camaro's & firebirds. 90 up got the 10 bolt again.

The intake is not an arizona speed and marine unit, it's also not a ramport, it's a GM manifold. It's a rough sand cast w/ a winters foundry snowflake on it. I don't know what it is exactly, it's supposedly a prototype intake. See the rough snowflake?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/24ae092de05579-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/24ae092e2e1158-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/24ae0d8ac8eead-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/24ae0d8ade45e5-1.jpg

[jeff s]

Here's me racing one in IMSA at Mid Ohio in 1984.

[shortrack]

Here's me racing one in IMSA at Mid Ohio in 1984.

cool....what were the chassis mods?

[vintageracer]

Here is my new to me 1991 Camaro RS 305 TPI 5 Speed.

Nevada Highway Patrol B4C Camaro. 1 of only 2 known/found. Total usage between 15-20 cars.

Here is how it looks now:

http://www.fototime.com/inv/75A168536F4DE34

It should look good when repainted the factory 2 tone Blue with Silver roof, NVHP markings and and small Aero Lightbar.

Here is what the car will look like when completed. The car in this picture is other known 3rd gen 1991 NVHP B4C Camaro.

After all, there must be something out there to chase all the PT cars around the track!

[BADNBLK]

Wow Mike! That looks like it will be a pretty cool resto project. I thought that all the B4C cars were L98's... Learn something everyday LOL!

[WS6]

What happened to the rest Mike? I'm guessing wrecked or scrapped from being worn out maybe?

[2ndgenhunter]

Wow! Very nice find. I can't wait the see it finished. Good luck with the resto.

[vintageracer]

What happened to the rest Mike? I'm guessing wrecked or scrapped from being worn out maybe?


There are probably more still out there somewhere but the owner's may not know what they really have.

The B4C option was the police option code that included most but not quite all of the 1LE race option AND you also got air conditioning which was not available on the 1LE cars. One thing the B4C cars did not have was the aluminum driveshaft that was on the 1LE cars. All the 5 speed cars had 305 engines. The 350 cars all had automatics. A little over 1/2 of the 492 B4C Camaro's made in 1991 were 5 Speed. I bought this car because of the 2 tone Nevada colors which I think are nice and the 5 speed transmission. If the car was a 350 automatic car I would not have bought it! Another bonus was that the car was a DIRT CHEAP Craigslist score. I paid more in shipping cost to ship the car from Las Vegas to Tennessee than I paid for the car!

1991 was the first year for B4C Police Package option on the Camaro.

By the way, as bad as the car looks in the pictures it runs and drives great! The car was complete when I got the car. I have already started the disassembly as was shown in some of the pictures.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[Johnny Blaze]

I actually wrote a letter to phr a couple years ago about 3rd gens making good pro touring projects, and it was printed.

mine
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/IM000585-1.jpg

Just got a set of 18s for it, and getting ready for c5 brake upgrade

[ratmotorred511]

Some nice ride's for sure:)

[GeoffP]

It's nice to see there are a few nice ones still out there. Mine is slowly coming back up to snuff when I can find time to work on it. I'd love to see this thread stay alive for awhile longer.

[FirstGenZq8]

I actually wrote a letter to phr a couple years ago about 3rd gens making good pro touring projects, and it was printed.

mine
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/IM000585-1.jpg

Just got a set of 18s for it, and getting ready for c5 brake upgrade

here we go:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/IM000555-1.jpg

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[GeoffP]

Those are nice looking wheels on a 3rd gen. I had a set on my 83 Z.

[BADNBLK]

I actually wrote a letter to phr a couple years ago about 3rd gens making good pro touring projects, and it was printed.

mine
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/IM000585-1.jpg

Just got a set of 18s for it, and getting ready for c5 brake upgrade

I always loved your stripe and Joegblod (sp) hood combo on your car!

[81TurboTA]

Look at this one, I like it wish I could buy it http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-1986-iroc-z28-ls1-t56-6-speed-18-rim_W0QQitemZ110502294296QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Car s_Trucks?hash=item19ba733318

[Johnny Blaze]

Dang thats a deal! badinblack, thanks for the complement! Helped modavate me to get back to working on it!

I had a 61 belair distract me for the last year or so, but sold it so the camaro is getting attention again.

As soon as I get to doing some work on it again, I will do a project update thread.

[Johnny Blaze]

This one is bad arse!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/RFNDXzA3MzlfNV82XzdfOF90b25lbWFwcGV-1.jpg

[rebelgtp]

Damn you guys now I want a 3rd gen F body to go with my G body...

[BADNBLK]

I just had to post a pic of my first time out of the garage this year.... represent!

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[Johnny Blaze]

Looking good Brandon! Unique colors, had to do a double take!
Is the base black or purple?

[shortrack]

Both your cars are looking good.....!

[Johnny Blaze]

Thanks! I really admire your cup car chevelle project too.
I can't wait to get my 18's mounted up. Also, working on a 409 sbc and a g force t 5 swap.

Currently I am swaping motors in my 69 pick up, so the camaro is just stockpilying parts at the moment.

[Tuske427]

Nope - they are definitely different.

You're half right. The front is entirely different. The rear, is the same. The control arms, shocks, springs, panhard bar and torque arm are interchangeable. This is why when you order aftermarket suspension for them- they are listed as 1982-2002.

[Tuske427]

I had fixed my '84 T/A up mechanically (aesthetically it needed work) with a 2002 ls1/ T-56, as well as the aftermarket suspension set up, springs, shocks/ struts, tubular suspension, pst bushings, subframe connectors, Wilwood brakes, etc..

It moved along well, but I sold it and am now working on a first gen.

[Happyfunballs]

I'll be picking up my 91 Z28 5.7 hardtop tomorrow. :evilgrin

[shortrack]

I'll be picking up my 91 Z28 5.7 hardtop tomorrow. :evilgrin

post pics......!

[shortrack]

I had fixed my '84 T/A up mechanically (aesthetically it needed work) with a 2002 ls1/ T-56, as well as the aftermarket suspension set up, springs, shocks/ struts, tubular suspension, pst bushings, subframe connectors, Wilwood brakes, etc..


wow!....you pretty much threw the handling book at it.....how did you like it when it was all done??.....what made the biggest difference??......did the sub f c's get rid of the rattles??......did you have a tubular K member?

[Johnny Blaze]

I know you weren't asking me, but on my car it was a toss up between sfc's and the lca's for bang for the buck.

My car has jegs control arms, with solid bushings in one end, and heim joints on the the other.
Panhard rod with rod ends on both ends.
Poly bushings in the front, 36mm holoe front swaybar, 24mm rear.

Next up is, Torque arm, strut paltes,
upgradeing the GR-2 to Agx in all four corners.

[shortrack]

I know you weren't asking me, but on my car it was a toss up between sfc's and the lca's for bang for the buck.

My car has jegs control arms, with solid bushings in one end, and heim joints on the the other.
Panhard rod with rod ends on both ends.
Poly bushings in the front, 36mm holoe front swaybar, 24mm rear.

Next up is, Torque arm, strut paltes,
upgradeing the GR-2 to Agx in all four corners.

I have BMR poly ended adj LCAs and PHB and control arm relocation kit but I havnt got them on because the Chevelle is taking up the hoist.....whose SFCs do you have?....Im prob going with the Spohn

[Johnny Blaze]

I have spohn sfcs.

I'm going with the Unbalanced engennering panhard drop on my car.

[bergsvette]

Mine when I was 16. It was the biggest automotive mistake I have made selling her.

[Tuske427]

wow!....you pretty much threw the handling book at it.....how did you like it when it was all done??.....what made the biggest difference??......did the sub f c's get rid of the rattles??......did you have a tubular K member?

I had the following components:

overall:

eibach springs (1" lower)
wilwood 4 piston disc brakes/ rotors
welded in subframe connectors
braided steel brake lines and PBR fluid
Toyo RA1 tires

(front)
kyb struts
spohn strut caps
bmr shock tower brace
hellwig sway bar (I forget the dimensions, but it was big)
PST polygraphite super front end kit


(rear)
edelbrock panhard bar
edelbrock torque arm
tubular lca
3:73 posi rear (later added a richmond power trax after I wore out the stock posi unit. the powertrax actually hurt the handling though. lesson learned)

On the street, this thing had almost no body roll. It was probably too stiff for safe street driving as I noticed on more than one occasion it would bounce around rough road curves.

I took it to Willow Springs for an open track day, and it yawed like a 70's Cadillac. That goes to show how much more forces are on a car at a track. It was very humbling for what I had thought was a great handling car.

They all helped, as did the LS1/ 6 speed. However, to answer your question- I'd say the single biggest improvement was the Toyo RA1 tires.

Granted, they're DOT track tires, but they gripped like no other tire I've ever ridden on. I could panic stop on the 405 with my wilwoods, with the braided lines and not lock the tires up.

Yes, I loved it, and I'll do something similar to my '67 Firebird I'm building, taking what I've learned and trying to improve upon that with a better combination of parts.

[slowcamaro]

I have spohn sfcs.

I'm going with the Unbalanced engennering panhard drop on my car.

You realize when you drop your panhard mount your going to want to stiffen up your rear rate, unless youre grossly over sprung as is, correct? Chances are if you go much stiffer rate wise you'll want better dampers than what KYB offers.

[BADNBLK]

Looking good Brandon! Unique colors, had to do a double take!
Is the base black or purple?

Thanks! Its black base color. :smoke:

[Johnny Blaze]

Got pretty stiff springs, altough, a lot of the cmc guys say soft springs are they way to go and plan on going to agx's soon.

Here are my new wheels,

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

The one on the left is the front, I had to have the hub hole bored out to fit, these are supposed to be for a bmw. Not to worry, I have hub eccentric rings as well.

Sizes are 18x8.5 and 18x9.5

[shortrack]

great rims on a 3rd gen......kind of like the ones on the first car in this thread....racy:cool:

[Johnny Blaze]

Thanks! Been looking for some in this style for a year or so, and all had major offset requiring spacers, til I found these, they are just right!

[Johnny Blaze]

Any 3rd gen owners looking to do brake upgrade, need to check out these brackters a member here is making for me,

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?p=648393#post648393

[GeoffP]

Which brakes does that bracket allow you to mount on the front spindle? $50 isn't bad - that's what I paid for a set I got from a local guy who had access to a laser cutting machine.

[Happyfunballs]

post pics......!

You asked for it.


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/P3200011-1.jpg?t=1269387940
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Black, 350 TPI, Hardtop

Doesn't look like much now.....but it will.:1st:

[srh3trinity]

You asked for it.


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Black, 350 TPI, Hardtop

Doesn't look like much now.....but it will.:1st:

It looks like a blank canvas to me, now make sure you keep a build thread going.

[blackbeast]

Anyone looking for a clean car to start with check out my post in the classifieds.

[shortrack]

It looks like a blank canvas to me, now make sure you keep a build thread going.

X2! I like those bcause they have all the final 3rd gen tricks but I like the earlier wheels and spoiler.....looks very solid

[BADNBLK]

Black, 350 TPI, Hardtop

Doesn't look like much now.....but it will.:1st:

Black = drool...

[ATOMonkey]

37004

37005

37006

Scanned pictures of my '89

[Johnny Blaze]

Brackets are for C5 calipers.

[Gitter Dun]

Hats off to you 3rd generation PT guys, IROC will definitely be my next build, any idea which year was the lightest? Seen a 1990 at the alignment shop with independent rear suspension, wish I had my camera with me, it was bad ass!!

[slowcamaro]

Depends on how you plan on building the car are you looking for a legit Iroc or just a clone as the the body parts interchange from 82-92. Earlier cars tend to be lighter.

Heres a thread I made a while back referencing weights..

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/suspension-chassis/352407-have-build-sheet-invoice.html

A guy on frrax just put an C4 IRS into his camaro. Nice.

[Gitter Dun]

[QUOTE=slowcamaro;650649]Depends on how you plan on building the car are you looking for a legit Iroc or just a clone as the the body parts interchange from 82-92. Earlier cars tend to be lighter.

Heres a thread I made a while back referencing weights..

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/suspension-chassis/352407-have-build-sheet-invoice.html

Thanks, looks like I am going to start looking for an '87 RS, car will be stripped and used for road racing and track days. Pobly shoot for NASA TTSU specs.

[slowcamaro]

Well chances are an earlier car would be lighter than the 87, it just so happens that he had the information for his car. Note there aren't a lot of v6 cars posted from the earllier years. Note that the 82 firebird is pretty damn light and it has a v8. I think a base 82 camaro is likely just as light.

But realistically, if you want a car to race, the best thing to do is watch the CMC and SCCA boards. There are some killer deals that come up on american sedan cars and the like.

I know part of the fun is building your own, but no one says you can't start your build from a proven race car.

Chances are you'll save a little weight starting from a 82-84 chassis, but if youre stripping it down. I'd just grab whatever you find in good shape, they're almost free.

[Gitter Dun]

Yeah, I've seen CMC cars going for $8000, definitely a good start, and yeah, the Firebirds are definitely alot lighter but I will go Chevy, old school 383 stroker, M-22 trans, and independent rear suspension, Thats the plan.

[joe5.8]

looking for a road racer here a good starting point
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1083/NASA_Camaro_Mustang_Challenge/post/1762528/CAMARO-AS-CMC-AMERICAN-IRON.html

[shortrack]

looking for a road racer here a good starting point
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1083/NASA_Camaro_Mustang_Challenge/post/1762528/CAMARO-AS-CMC-AMERICAN-IRON.html

agreed....it already has "all the good chit in it"

[slowcamaro]

Yeah, I've seen CMC cars going for $8000, definitely a good start, and yeah, the Firebirds are definitely alot lighter but I will go Chevy, old school 383 stroker, M-22 trans, and independent rear suspension, Thats the plan.

I don't think the firebird are always lighter, I was just stating that the early cars tend to be lighter as they likely added subtle chassis modifications thru the production run

[ATOMonkey]

My '89 weighed in at 3250 wet, according to the gravel pit scales.

[JohnUlaszek]

Getting closer to putting "Project Snowball" on the road. We don't advertise this 89 Formula as a Pro-touring build in GM High Tech Performance, but I think it's safe to say it's a PT car.

The photo is from the May 2010 article in GM High Tech Performance where the Formula gets Baer 6S brakes, Toyo R888's, and Budnik GTX's

[Twin_Turbo]

mine's getting closer too! Engine and tranny are in, susp.& brakes all done (except parking brake cables)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/24bafb2e72d968-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/24bafb2e1968e0-1.jpg

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Hopefully it won't be long before it's like this
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/24a64c02f7f9ba-1.jpg

[brrymnvette]

I'm REALLY regretting looking at this thread. Now I have another car to add to the list of builds I want to do.

TWIN TURBO - didn't you have 2 badass C3 Vette builds going on a year or so ago?

[jeff s]

Here's a couple third gens in my stable. Not sure which one of these I'm gonna do 1st. I gotta finish my 2nd gen TA too.

[Twin_Turbo]

I'm REALLY regretting looking at this thread. Now I have another car to add to the list of builds I want to do.

TWIN TURBO - didn't you have 2 badass C3 Vette builds going on a year or so ago?


Yeah, the 82 is still in the same state, haven't touched it. The 77 is done apart from putting the hood on and doing some final tweaks here and there.

77:
http://www.vettemod.com/forum/imagehosting/24b99818ee78a3.jpg

http://www.vettemod.com/forum/imagehosting/24b8ef710ca97b.jpg

There's an old threads here for both of them, the 77 has the latest update. the 82...oh, not since a couple of years. Problem is, I have an 82 Trans Am coming in and I also have an 86 Monte Carlo on the way and I can;t just leave well enough alone.

I see some pro touring potential in this... it has a E4ME Q jet 305 now....hmmm, that's not good.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/24b60c09e3253f-1.jpg

I guess I'm a sucker for 80s US cars that no one else likes (here) and I don't even live in a trailer LOL

[BADNBLK]

Getting closer to putting "Project Snowball" on the road. We don't advertise this 89 Formula as a Pro-touring build in GM High Tech Performance, but I think it's safe to say it's a PT car.

The photo is from the May 2010 article in GM High Tech Performance where the Formula gets Baer 6S brakes, Toyo R888's, and Budnik GTX's

Just happy to see some more third gen love in your mag! Keep it coming!

[srh3trinity]

Just curious for you third gen guys. Has anybody used a tubular K-member? I was thinking about picking up a third gen and doing an LSX swap. The tubular K-members for these cars are pretty cheap, but I don't know how much of an improvement they would be over stock other than weight savings. Seems like you could put a couple of grand into all the suspension upgrades, do some C5/C6 brakes and an LSX and have an extremely capable autocrosser for 10K if you don't do paint and body. Am I missing something?

[Tuske427]

Just curious for you third gen guys. Has anybody used a tubular K-member? I was thinking about picking up a third gen and doing an LSX swap. The tubular K-members for these cars are pretty cheap, but I don't know how much of an improvement they would be over stock other than weight savings. Seems like you could put a couple of grand into all the suspension upgrades, do some C5/C6 brakes and an LSX and have an extremely capable autocrosser for 10K if you don't do paint and body. Am I missing something?

There have been numerous threads on this over at thirdgen.org From what I remember reading the tubular cross members aren't much lighter, but what they do provide is more space under the car. more space for headers, turbo ,etc. Also, you can have a rack and pinion steering set up, too.

Just do your research before you buy. not all of them on the market are really designed for street use.

Again, from what I remember reading. I was looking into this when I had my '84 T/A with LS1 engine.

I hope this helps.

[slowcamaro]

There isnt a k-member on the market for the 3rd gen which i would use in an autocross or roadrace application. UMI offers(offered) a roadrace version for 4th gen cars, You may be able to see if they are able to engineer an upgraded version for thirdgens, but the demand isnt really there.

[Neil B]

Here is a nice one selling for a fraction of the build cost:

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/camaros-sale/579672-87-chevy-camaro-iroc.html

Staying with the 305 was an interesting choice given the level of mods to this car.

[srh3trinity]

Here is a nice one selling for a fraction of the build cost:

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/camaros-sale/579672-87-chevy-camaro-iroc.html

Staying with the 305 was an interesting choice given the level of mods to this car.

Interestingly enough, this is the car that started the thread. It is a nicely done example and I think it is cool that he stayed with the 305 but is making a ton of power.

[Chevrolaine]

Dang, somebody stole that thing for 10 grand!!

[Small Block LSX]

Wow, that Camaro went for $10k? Thats crazyness!

Maybe when I finish with my Monte Carlo I will start a 3rd gen Fbody project.

[BossaNova]

Hey Twin Turbo. What brand header wrap are you using?
Thanks.

[Aschle]

My hoopty... Bought it in 92'

Jason

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[Aschle]

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[stage2ROUSH]

I had an 97 "RS" which as I was "told", were only a FL & cali. test, which meant had IROC suspension,wheels, and body kit.but stll had the 6 cyc.2.5 in it, wish I had it now. it was black on black.traded it for my 90 ISUZU minitruck,{which {We still have }, anyone want to but it???????? REALLY ???} loved that camaro though!!!!

[david068513]

I love the third gens, I'll post pics of mine later

[david068513]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/07/myRS-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/06/Thecamaros035-1.jpg

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[Twin_Turbo]

Hey Twin Turbo. What brand header wrap are you using?
Thanks.

Theremotec black, some of the color washes off hen applying (I soak it in water and then torch the pipes to pull it tight)(

[Johnny Blaze]

Looking good guys!

Hope to get started on mine again after I get the truck on the road. Sold the big block and going LS power now! Have a set of C5 brakes and new 18"s collecting dust as well.

[Johnny Blaze]

I had an 97 "RS" which as I was "told", were only a FL & cali. test, which meant had IROC suspension,wheels, and body kit.but stll had the 6 cyc.2.5 in it, wish I had it now. it was black on black.traded it for my 90 ISUZU minitruck,{which {We still have }, anyone want to but it???????? REALLY ???} loved that camaro though!!!!


97 is a fourth gen. Irocs were 3rd gen cars.

It "might" have had Z28 suspension.

It would have been a 3.4L.

[platinumgta]

I am suprised no one has posted this one...Its one of my favorites! User name over at thirdgen.org is TPI TERR build thread here http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/ltx-lsx/501479-my-lsx-87-iroc.html

[novaderrik]

here is the 86 Camaro i just got. i don't know how "pro touring" it will ever be, but it drives nice and that V6 should be fairly easy on gas. one of my cousins might have a complete IROC body kit laying around that i can get for cheap to make it look somewhat fast. i had to tear the interior out to get all the mouse nests out, but i think it cleaned up pretty nicely. i just need to find/make me some black door panels..

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