How about Buttonwillow for $99

[CurtiSS 69]

Hello All,

NCRC is going to have a track day at Buttonwillow on Friday 2 October for $99. Since this is far distant in the future it will allow plenty of time for preparation, and setup something to look foreword to as well. The configuration will be 1CCW, and each group gets (5) 20-25 minute sessions for plenty of track time. Plus the extreme heat should be gone by then as well. The website is at: http://www.ncracing.org/events.php

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[rogue]

I'd be in...

[CarlC]

Hummmmm.......

Time for another PT get together?

[Charley Lillard]

Might work for me...

[mpozzi]

This is sounding interesting ... second the P-Touring group thing.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Steven]

excellent price for Buttonwillow.

[Larry Callahan]

Hmmm........ That's too good a deal to pass up. Maybe we can get a convoy from Ventura County.

[MrQuick]

Nice, I was wondering when the next clinic was for another round of fun. I can't make this. But that is way cheap.


Im going to call tomorrow...who knows, maybe an open track Sat Oct 3 for two days of cheap fun.

[CurtiSS 69]

Hmmm........ That's too good a deal to pass up. Maybe we can get a convoy from Ventura County.

Super Kool!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[sik68]

I think my car will be together by then!

[James OLC]

Hello...

I'd say that I was in except I'm still trying to decided what I'm doing in two weeks - let alone two months (but yeah, I'm probably in).

I'll have to talk to my guru(s)...

[Larry Callahan]

James, you need to move to So Cal. LOL!

[James OLC]

James, you need to move to So Cal. LOL!

I've been looking but unless I want to go back to building cars for other people again I think that my options are limited. I'll have to stick to my guest pass for now...

[6'9"Witha69]

That's a good price. And with the way things may be lightening up work wise (yeah right, mgmt sucks sometimes) I might have the car ready by then.

[mpozzi]

Hello...

I'd say that I was in except I'm still trying to decided what I'm doing in two weeks - let alone two months (but yeah, I'm probably in).

I'll have to talk to my guru(s)...

You're IN!!!!

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[1969CamaroRS]

I wonder how long in advance you have to register. Hoping to have my car done by then, would love go. But can never tell with getting things done.

[Orngcrush69]

Sounds good, count me in!

[mpozzi]

Sounds good, count me in!

DAVE ... you're alive!!! Really hope you can make this event and we'll bring ribs for the fire again.

You bring your "A" game ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[CurtiSS 69]

Sounds good, count me in!

Dave,

Unfortunately the configuration is 1CCW which has your favorite Star Mazda turn. What tires did you end up putting on the Camaro?

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[406 Q-ship]

I'm getting a itchy throttle foot again..........PT people and another racetrack a recipe for fun.

[-The Stig-]

... must get 'Half-car' running.

[Orngcrush69]

YES, I am still alive! Things haven't been that great in the real estate business, but I've bounced back and landed in the East Bay area working for a really great appraisal company. I was able to hang on to all my toys, so the building of the '68 Camaro will start again!
As far as tires for my brother's Camaro I went with the Kuhmo VictorRacer 700 (which they changed recently). I thought is was a good tire and Dan has gotten 5 track days plus street time on them, but it's time for a new set.

[zbugger]

In the east bay, huh? We'll definitely have to meet up one of these days. I'm right across the bay, as are a few others.

[CurtiSS 69]

I just signed up for this Buttonwillow event. Hope others will follow soon. If everyone who says they will sign up does we might almost get our own run Group.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

So how many are in? I'm ready for commitment if there are others that are for-sure going

[aray327]

i have been looking forward to a day on the track. I'm not sure if my car is ready. I have the original seat and original two belt seat-belt thing going on.

I am sure Carl will give me some advice.... you've seen the car, is it too much to ask at this stage? What do i need to? This may be helpful for other beginners like me.

[James OLC]

I might be in...

[CarlC]

The Camaro had stock seats and seatbelts for the first two track days that I attended. It's not easy to stay in the seat, but doable.

There is a sticky in this forum for prepping a car for track days. It does not mean you need to do everything in that list, but it gives you something to think about.

Most organizations have a tech checklist for the car and it and must undergo an inspection. Usually it's things like no radiator catch can, improper battery holder, etc. that gets a car red-flagged before hitting the track. Just go over the list before leaving home and repair things as necessary.

To me, the most important thing to bring to the track is you brain. I was lucky enough to have Mr. Pozzi around for my first track day, and even though he had to buy new underwear after his first ride with me, he still offered advice and guidance that made the learning curve a lot easier.

Many organizations have instructors that are available at no charge. Take advantage of it. Often you have to take a few laps with an instructor before going solo. If passengers are allowed, there are many here that have track experience, though not as deep as David's or Mary's, that would also be happy to help. There's no better time to be at a track day than when there are a bunch of friends helping each other.

[CurtiSS 69]

i have been looking forward to a day on the track. I'm not sure if my car is ready. I have the original seat and original two belt seat-belt thing going on.

I am sure Carl will give me some advice.... you've seen the car, is it too much to ask at this stage? What do i need to? This may be helpful for other beginners like me.

Just an idea for the slippery seats...Try using some non slip pads for area rugs for more grip like these: http://www.rugsgalore.com/products/accessories/rug_pads/29840


Regards

CurtiSS 69

[aray327]

the non slip padding is an interesting idea. I've never thought about that one before. I bet most people will think they're those messaging beads....

I read that sticky one before, i guess i will revisit it again and start thinking seariously about going.

Since i want to change the seats anyway I will start looking around. If i get lucky then great, if not i will likely have some rug burn from the non slip pad.

[406 Q-ship]

the non slip padding is an interesting idea. I've never thought about that one before. I bet most people will think they're those messaging beads....

I read that sticky one before, i guess i will revisit it again and start thinking seariously about going.

Since i want to change the seats anyway I will start looking around. If i get lucky then great, if not i will likely have some rug burn from the non slip pad.

Try it with a slick vinyl BENCH seats and just lap belts......:drive1:

Maybe I should at least try to put in a set of cheap seats and belts.....Nawwww that takes all the fun out of the ride.

[6'9"Witha69]

But, driving from the passenger seat is FUN!!!

[CarlC]

You should just take out the front seat Nick and sit in the back!

[6'9"Witha69]

That could work!

[aray327]

you guys crack me up!

so in my search for seat options i ask my fiance her opinion of a couple seats i saw on the internet and her response "why are you looking at racing seats? Why don't you look for something like the original seats???????" Hummmmmm..........

so i had to tell her that the seats in the car ARE the original seats, and remind her about the drive through Angeles Crest and how we didn't exactly stay put.

her response "whatever it's your car!" I can't wait to see how she sets her chevelle up, whenever i find one.

[CarlC]

I'm in. Check is in the mail. I think John (Torker) will also be attending with his Z06.

[CurtiSS 69]

I'm in. Check is in the mail. I think John (Torker) will also be attending with his Z06.

The count is at 2 now:

1. Carl C
2. CurtiSS 69

I talked to Mary Pozzi earlier in the month and she said she would be there.

Carl which group will you be in? I am in Point By.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CurtiSS 69]

The crickets are chirping here...We may pickup another Camaro that runs Autocross at El Toro. One note: The car is never 100% ready there is always something else you will want to do to it before taking it to the track, and the deal may never be this good again. It's inexpensive, past the summer heat, and before the rain. Please take advantage of it if you possibly can if for nothing else for the fun and camaraderie.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

John said he's going. I have tentatively signed up for the point-by on the straights only. I don't know how they rule the other point-by, meaning do they allow corner passing, etc. I'll see how it goes and ask for a step-up evaluation if needed.

[mpozzi]

Thanks for the reminder and I'll register for "point by" as well. This should be fun and can't wait. Depending on how things go here will decide if I go to the OPTIMA Invitational the following month.

James, you in??? Steve's car will probably be back by then as well.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[James OLC]

That's a busy weekend! I'd like to come (which more or less means I'll be there with some arm twisting) but we need to get the OLC out of jail and see how David feels about the whole thing... he might be getting tired right now.

If you/we go Buttonwillow Friday would you/we go AAS Saturday/Sunday? So many questions...

[CurtiSS 69]

That's a busy weekend! I'd like to come (which more or less means I'll be there with some arm twisting) but we need to get the OLC out of jail and see how David feels about the whole thing... he might be getting tired right now.

If you/we go Buttonwillow Friday would you/we go AAS Saturday/Sunday? So many questions...

James,

That is a busy weekend if you run both. It will be good preparation for the One Lap of America competition.

You could use this opportunity to dial in your road course setup. It seems like you've got the Autocross setup dialed in pretty well.

Hopefully you folk's can make it. It won't be the same without you. I would rather get smoked by Camaro's than BMW's and Porshe's.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CurtiSS 69]

John said he's going. I have tentatively signed up for the point-by on the straights only. I don't know how they rule the other point-by, meaning do they allow corner passing, etc. I'll see how it goes and ask for a step-up evaluation if needed.

Carl,

As I remember the Point By group allows passing anywhere with a point by unless they will do it differently at Buttonwillow. The Solo and above groups are not about speed -as there are very fast folks in Solo- but how comfortable you are with passing and getting passed. If passing everywhere without a point by is a non issue then you can go to the Open group. Although passing isn't a big issue as they space the cars out as they let them on to the track, and they limit the number of cars in a group. There may be zero to two passes per session, and I have not encountered a conga line running with this organization either. The wheel to wheel stuff is reserved for the Race group. I feel very safe with my car with the two events I have run with this organization.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

Thanks Curtis. I'll plead my case via email with them and see if they will bump me up.

[CurtiSS 69]

Thanks Curtis. I'll plead my case via email with them and see if they will bump me up.

Have them view your on track video, or the video from James with your car in it. This will set them straight.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CurtiSS 69]

One thing to take note of is that the price increases by $15 if you don't get paid up before 11 Sept.

The other two events I've been to they have allowed passengers for thoses wanting to share the fun with others.

So far we have:

1. Mary Pozzi
2. Carl Casanova
3. Don CurtiSS

Hopefully James and Steve in soon.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

I think I roped another friend into going as well.

Willow Springs does not allow passengers, but in the past Buttonwillow has. That would be great!

[Rocco]

I might be interested in joining you guys if my schedule allows and you all let in a lowly old Ford to beat up on.

-- Rocco
p.s., see attached image of my favorite racing hero's Trans-Am car from 1967 ( his next two years were also killers !)

[CarlC]

Rocco!

I hope you can make it.

[CurtiSS 69]

I might be interested in joining you guys if my schedule allows and you all let in a lowly old Ford to beat up on.

-- Rocco
p.s., see attached image of my favorite racing hero's Trans-Am car from 1967 ( his next two years were also killers !)

Bring it out Rocco. The Ford count is way too low.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[rogue]

I should be in. I've been busy with prepping the car for my next track day. Trying to get the Tremec and Wilwoods in this next week....

Buttonwillow is my favorite track in CA so far.

[CurtiSS 69]

I should be in. I've been busy with prepping the car for my next track day. Trying to get the Tremec and Wilwoods in this next week....

Buttonwillow is my favorite track in CA so far.

Your in luck that's our next stop. So you are in?

What pads will you run in the Wilwoods?

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Orngcrush69]

Just signed up, anyone want to split a garage?

[mpozzi]

And BBQ for Thursday night for whoever's arriving early. Think FOOOOOOOOOOD!!! We'll bring ribs ...

That reminds me. I need to get registered.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[CarlC]

I won't know for a day or so but IF I can come up Thursday I'll split one with you Dave.

[CurtiSS 69]

So far we have:

1. Carl Casanova
2. Dave H.
3. Don CurtiSS

To signup:

Mary Pozzi
Rogue

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CurtiSS 69]

And BBQ for Thursday night for whoever's arriving early. Think FOOOOOOOOOOD!!! We'll bring ribs ...

That reminds me. I need to get registered.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

Oooh RIBs! How late will you serve until Thursday night? Let me know if you need a dessert.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Mkelcy]

I've signed up for the Buttonwillow October 2 event. Where are people staying? More importantly, where will the ribs be Thursday evening?

[CurtiSS 69]

I've signed up for the Buttonwillow October 2 event. Where are people staying? More importantly, where will the ribs be Thursday evening?

That's great Mike. I can harldly wait to see your car in person and on the track. I usually stay at the Motel 6 in Lost Hills, but if the Pozzi's are camping at the track I will do so as well.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Orngcrush69]

You'd be better off renting a garage at the track and sleeping in it as well. You'll get more sleep and your car will be safer.

[Nessumsar]

Oh, i want to go so bad! It being on a Friday might kill it though... Will have to speak with my boss about this one, good thing he's a car guy!

The Stig, time to get BUSY!

[Mkelcy]

You'd be better off renting a garage at the track and sleeping in it as well. You'll get more sleep and your car will be safer.

Where can I get info on renting a garage?

[Orngcrush69]

Any questions you have about the track or garage rental ($80/day the last time I rented one) Buttonwillow Raceway 661-764-5333. They're really nice...even when they have to kick you out.

[Orngcrush69]

Get ready for this!

[CarlC]

My friend John signed up yesterday. If he wants to share a garage it might make more sense for he and I to get one, and Dave gets one to share with someone else. With all the people there we can easily use 2-3 garages. I'll let you know ASAP Dave.

David and Mary should not be doing all of the food. How about some pot luck? I don't want to step into Mary's culinary basket of tricks so I'll wait for her to say what would be good for us to bring.

[CurtiSS 69]

So far we have:

1. Carl Casanova
2. Dave H.
3. Don CurtiSS
4. Mike Kelcy
5. John "Torker"

To signup:

Mary Pozzi
Rogue
Jon Rasmussen

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Orngcrush69]

I reserved Garage #4, 3-1 are still open. Come on Mary, pull the trigger and sign up!

[mpozzi]

I reserved Garage #4, 3-1 are still open. Come on Mary, pull the trigger and sign up!

I am. Need to see if Steve and James are in ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Orngcrush69]

Alright... Nitto 01's installed, had to roll the fenders a bit more to make sure they don't rub, Hawk HP+ brake pad on (nosy little ****s), oil changed (synthitic on sale), carb re-jet'ed, and a new battery. OK I'm ready!!!:twothumbs

[CarlC]

One more guy for the list. Dave N. with an '08 C6. Garage #3 reserved.

[CurtiSS 69]

One more guy for the list. Dave N. with an '08 C6. Garage #3 reserved.

That's great Carl. I was talking with Kyle Newman of Newman Car Creations and he is looking at running his '57 Chevy wagon with C4 suspension with us! It should be a good mix of cars. It also appears as there are no "$15 late fees" for this event either, so it's still $99 for those still on the fence. For others not ready to do a track event come on out and see what it is like.

So far we have:

1. Carl Casanova
2. Dave H.
3. Don CurtiSS
4. Mike Kelcy
5. John "Torker"
6. Dave N.

To signup:

Mary Pozzi
Rogue
Jon Rasmussen
Kyle Newman

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

......moved up to Point-By.

[mpozzi]

I'm in ... registered for Point-By.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Orngcrush69]

I did Point-by as well. I've never ran with this club before so I just guessed on the level of racing... looking forward to seeing everyone!

[CarlC]

So what's the deal for Thursday evening at the track? I, along with John, plan on being at the track well before the 6:00pm closing of the gates. I have a small portable grill that I can bring.

[mpozzi]

We're leaving Salinas around noon on Thursday and should be at the track no later than 3:30 pm. I'm planning on getting some ribs and heating them up on a portable grill. We'll need the following ... baked beans, garlic bread, salad and fixin's, a dessert (Costco apple pie??) and liquid libations (sodas, water, wine, beer, etc.). We've got plates, utensils, and paper towels. Please bring your grill, Carl ...

All I need is a head count so I don't end up selling leftover ribs on overstock.com. Either that or we have ribs for breakfast and lunch on Friday, too.

If anyone wants to stay at the track and sleeping bag it, my enclosed trailer is available for Thursday night. The track has bathrooms and showers.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Orngcrush69]

I'm coming in Friday morning from Fresno. Is there camping Friday night as well?

[Mkelcy]

We're leaving Salinas around noon on Thursday and should be at the track no later than 3:30 pm. I'm planning on getting some ribs and heating them up on a portable grill. We'll need the following ... baked beans, garlic bread, salad and fixin's, a dessert (Costco apple pie??) and liquid libations (sodas, water, wine, beer, etc.). We've got plates, utensils, and paper towels. Please bring your grill, Carl ...

All I need is a head count so I don't end up selling leftover ribs on overstock.com. Either that or we have ribs for breakfast and lunch on Friday, too.

If anyone wants to stay at the track and sleeping bag it, my enclosed trailer is available for Thursday night. The track has bathrooms and showers.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

Is it possible to attend the Thursday evening BBQ and still sleep at a motel, or is the track locked up?

[CarlC]

You may want to call the track Mike. They told me last week that they lock the gates at 6:00pm.

There are others that are coming that are hotel'in it and want to come to the grub fest at the track. If the track closes the gates at 6:00pm check to see if it's possible to walk in. I know that a friend of mine is trailering his car and wants to leave it at the track Thursday night, attend the grub fest, and hit the hotel afterwards. Perhaps some carpooling can be arranged.

John and I are in for baked beans and apple pie(s). Do you need a pot to heat them up Mary?

[Mkelcy]

NOTE: I just called Buttonwillow about the access to the BBQ-gate issue and they said that the Northern California club hasn't made any arrangements for camping at the track and, unless that changes, there will be no camping at the track. If camping at the track is permitted, the gate will be manned all night.

I don't know if folks were planning on stowing away at the track, but those of you planning on camping might want to look into this.

[Steve1968LS2]

We will be bringing out Penny and out supercharged 2010 Camaro.. :)

[mpozzi]

To everyone ...

Good call about overnight camping (or lack thereof ...) at Buttonwillow the night before and thanks for checking into this. Our Thursday early evening feast-a-thon will continue without a hitch as we'll move it to the hotel parking lot or somewhere else off of Hwy 58/5 junction.

So far, I've got Carl and Mike for baked beans and pie. I'll bring the ribs. The motorhome has utensils and pans, plus a microwave for heating anything in. We'll also bring another portable BBQ to keep the ribs warmed.

We still need salad fixin's and dressings, several packages of those Cheddarwurst links, and garlic bread. Perhaps another dessert as we've got a lot of sweet teeth here. Any leftovers can be reheated and hoovered down for Friday's lunch. I'll also bring some sandwich materials (bread, mayo, mustard, lettuce, tomato, and lunchmeats) for Friday lunch.

If the NCRC does have the track made available for Thursday arrival, then we'll go back to there ...

I'll need a head count by next Wednesday so I can plan for the ribs.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Steve1968LS2]

To everyone ...

Good call about overnight camping (or lack thereof ...) at Buttonwillow the night before and thanks for checking into this. Our Thursday early evening feast-a-thon will continue without a hitch as we'll move it to the hotel parking lot or somewhere else off of Hwy 58/5 junction.

So far, I've got Carl and Mike for baked beans and pie. I'll bring the ribs. The motorhome has utensils and pans, plus a microwave for heating anything in. We'll also bring another portable BBQ to keep the ribs warmed.

We still need salad fixin's and dressings, several packages of those Cheddarwurst links, and garlic bread. Perhaps another dessert as we've got a lot of sweet teeth here. Any leftovers can be reheated and hoovered down for Friday's lunch. I'll also bring some sandwich materials (bread, mayo, mustard, lettuce, tomato, and lunchmeats) for Friday lunch.

If the NCRC does have the track made available for Thursday arrival, then we'll go back to there ...

I'll need a head count by next Wednesday so I can plan for the ribs.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

I will bring the links and the garlic bread! ... and a dessert of my choosing!

Where are people staying? Is there a way to secure the car at the track or maybe we should all hire a baney fife to guard the cars while we sleep.

[Mkelcy]

So far, I've got Carl and Mike for baked beans and pie. I'll bring the ribs. The motorhome has utensils and pans, plus a microwave for heating anything in. We'll also bring another portable BBQ to keep the ribs warmed.

Mary: Carl and John are doing the beans and pie. I'll do alcoholic libations (stick with what you know is my motto) and sodas if you can provide a tub and ice. Give me a head count and if folks can indicate their beverage of choice, I'll see what I can do to satisfy what I'm sure will be discriminating palates.

[Jeff70]

I'm planning on coming down on Thursday also, I will know for sure this Thursday when next weeks schedule comes out. I don't think I want to miss this event and a chance to hang out with everyone so I will most likely call in sick Thurs/Fri.
Maybe someday I will get this car done so I can run in these trackdays when they come up!

I can also bring a Small Weber and I have a few ice chest. I guess we don't have a choice now but to rent a room? You guys think we can get a group rate at Motel 6?

Hey Rupp can I get a ride? :drool:

Jeff

[Mkelcy]

I'm planning on coming down on Thursday also, I will know for sure this Thursday when next weeks schedule comes out. I don't think I want to miss this event and a chance to hang out with everyone so I will most likely call in sick Thurs/Fri.
Maybe someday I will get this car done so I can run in these trackdays when they come up!

I can also bring a Small Weber and I have a few ice chest. I guess we don't have a choice now but to rent a room? You guys think we can get a group rate at Motel 6?

Hey Rupp can I get a ride? :drool:

Jeff

I don't know about group rates, but I'm at the Motel 6 for $34 a night at:

20638 TRACY AVE
BUTTONWILLOW, CA 93206

[mpozzi]

Hey Jeff,

My enclosed trailer is 28' long and if you don't mind sharing space with the Camaro, feel free to sleeping bag it. I've slept in the front several times and it's pretty comfy. I'll bring the fold out mat and you'll be set.

So ... we have ribs, links, bread, desserts, beverages, and deadly fart beans. Also have two grills and ice chests. I see a replay of Blazing Saddles campfire scene ...

Hopefully, we'll be able to stay at the track Thursday night but if not then we'll go to Plan B and plant the motorhome in the hotel parking lot. We "pack" so it will be a fair fire fight if it gets to that ...

Need a head count by next Wednesday ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Orngcrush69]

What are the plans for Friday night? Is everyone going home? I'd like to stay at the track if possible. Clue me in if you can.

[Mkelcy]

What are the plans for Friday night? Is everyone going home? I'd like to stay at the track if possible. Clue me in if you can.

I'm planning on staying at the Motel 6 Friday evening and heading back early Saturday morning.

[Steve1968LS2]

What are the plans for Friday night? Is everyone going home? I'd like to stay at the track if possible. Clue me in if you can.

Mary is trying to talk me into taking Penny to some crazy "autocross" event on Saturday where she says Penny will get airborn.. man, that chick is loco!

[CarlC]

We have enough people so that if we do stay at the No-Tell Motel 6 we can take shifts in the parking lot. They have a pool too so perhaps we can invade the pool area with our BBQ's and accoutrements.

I'm heading home Friday.

[CarlC]

We will be bringing out Penny and out supercharged 2010 Camaro.. :)

I'm willing to sacrifice one of my runs in the '68 to drive the '10. Yeah, I'm a giver......

[Orngcrush69]

I'm in with motel 6 on Friday night, working on getting a security guard for Friday night at the motel.

[Tyson A]

If anybody needs a secure location for their car over night I have room for 6 to 8 cars inside my shop and room for some trailers outside the shop. My shop is only about 20 min from the track. I would be more than happy to help you guys out and this would not inconvenience in any way so feel free to hit me up for thurs and/or friday night.

Tyson

[406 Q-ship]

Is this event open to spectators........:injured:

My Chevelle collapsed a lifter, besides I will not have time to put in a set of seats and real belts in the car. To add insult to injury my Dads GTO ate a clutch and is screwed up badly so I will have to run down to get it up and running this weekend (Fallbrook). When it rains it pours.

I would be able to attend just not with a car......unless I could rent a racer????? Wonder if I can find a 2010 Camaro to rent.....(hint hint Steve)

I would make a great crew person that pays his own way if anyone needs it. I have a pick up for hauling a trailer if it is needed (from the Los Angeles area).....do I sound desperate I don't mean to sound desperate....OK I AM DESPERATE I need a track fix. Help me PLEASE!!! :seizure:

[CarlC]

Spectators = No Problemo.

Thanks for the offer Tyson! That is very generous.

[mpozzi]

What are the plans for Friday night? Is everyone going home? I'd like to stay at the track if possible. Clue me in if you can.

We're heading back after the event's over as soon as we can get packed up. There's a two-day autocross at Great America (Santa Clara) on Saturday and Sunday.

You'll have to check with the track to see if camping is okay for Friday night.

Mary Pozzi

[mpozzi]

Is this event open to spectators........:injured:

My Chevelle collapsed a lifter, besides I will not have time to put in a set of seats and real belts in the car. To add insult to injury my Dads GTO ate a clutch and is screwed up badly so I will have to run down to get it up and running this weekend (Fallbrook). When it rains it pours.

I would be able to attend just not with a car......unless I could rent a racer????? Wonder if I can find a 2010 Camaro to rent.....(hint hint Steve)

I would make a great crew person that pays his own way if anyone needs it. I have a pick up for hauling a trailer if it is needed (from the Los Angeles area).....do I sound desperate I don't mean to sound desperate....OK I AM DESPERATE I need a track fix. Help me PLEASE!!! :seizure:

YES!!! Come on up and we'll get you some shotgun time (if NCRC allows it). Either way, we'll have some fun and good eats plus tons of trash talk about who's faster. This is very funny. Ask Dave and Dan with the Chevelle/Camaro ... I have video.

As of today, plan on the BBQ for the hotel. If the track does allow us in Thursday and lets us be there overnight, then we'll move there so people can offload cars and trailers. If we can't get in Thursday, then we'll motorhome it in or near the hotel parking lot and keep an eye on our cars/trailers there. It's pretty safe ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[CurtiSS 69]

YES!!! Come on up and we'll get you some shotgun time (if NCRC allows it). Either way, we'll have some fun and good eats plus tons of trash talk about who's faster. This is very funny. Ask Dave and Dan with the Chevelle/Camaro ... I have video.

As of today, plan on the BBQ for the hotel. If the track does allow us in Thursday and lets us be there overnight, then we'll move there so people can offload cars and trailers. If we can't get in Thursday, then we'll motorhome it in or near the hotel parking lot and keep an eye on our cars/trailers there. It's pretty safe ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

Mary,

NCRC has allowed passengers at the 2 events I have run with them. If I can get rides in the higher end cars I will be willing make some changes to my sessions as well.

For the barbecue and such I am willing to do the cleanup (dishwashing, pot scrubing, etc..), and I would also like to bring some snacks and water for the trackday.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[ROEINONDUBS]

We're heading back after the event's over as soon as we can get packed up. There's a two-day autocross at Great America (Santa Clara) on Saturday and Sunday.

You'll have to check with the track to see if camping is okay for Friday night.

Mary Pozzi

is there a website for the great America event?

[David Pozzi]

is there a website for the great America event?

Check www.baautox.com and there's a link at the top with American Autocross Series. Click on it and their website will tell you all about upcoming events in the Bay Area.

Hope to see you there ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi (stealing Dave's computer ...)

[ROEINONDUBS]

ya ill be there is david going to be take his car out as well?

[aray327]

OK, after getting some advice from big brother Carl I am finally off the fence, resigtered and paid up!

I spent last weekend going over everything on the car, only found a couple loose header bolts. This morning i got an alignment. Tomorrow we are back to the tuner for final tweeking (mainly to remove programing for the 4l60). I will spend this weekend getting everything ready to join you guys and gal(s) next friday.

I am looking forward to this event. It will be my maiden track voyage, so all advice is welcomed.

I will miss all the good food, drink and trash talking on Thursday night but i look forward to hopefully more of it on Friday.

Mary and Dave I am particularly interested in finally meeting both of you since both of you have given me advice at one time or another; not to mention all the good things i have heard about both of you from others.

[rsk68]

Looks like I’m missing another fine event, I really need to get off my a$$

[mpozzi]

ya ill be there is david going to be take his car out as well?

It lives on jackstands at the moment but he'll have plenty of opportunity to thrash on Penny plus ride shotgun with anyone else that wants some driving help.

See everyone there ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[CurtiSS 69]

Mary,

This is the driver count now:

1. Carl Casanova
2. Dave H.
3. Don CurtiSS
4. Mike Kelcy
5. John "Torker"
6. Dave N.
7. M. Pozzi
8. D. Pozzi
9. S Rupp
10. Aray327

Spectators/Crew/Passengers:

1. Jeff70
2. 406 Q-ship

Others please add yourself in if I missed you.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

I have a roomie for the hotel and garage. I'll try and drop off the Camaro at the garage Thrusday afternoon.

[Tyson A]

I'm going to come out as a spectator. At this point I don't have all day free so is there a best time to be out there?

Thanks
Tyson

[CarlC]

.....so is there a best time to be out there?

Thanks
Tyson

Morning. The later the day goes, the greater the attrition rate.

[406 Q-ship]

Morning. The later the day goes, the greater the attrition rate.

Hopefully the attrition rate is the same as it was at Willow Springs in April.......

[CarlC]

That goes for cars and drivers. For those not accustomed to heat (cars and driver) it's better to not push it in the hot afternoons.

[CurtiSS 69]

Morning. The later the day goes, the greater the attrition rate.

Hopefully it will be a carbon copy of what the Streets of Willow event was: A day without attrition. Those that last will be going faster by the end of the day. It isn't as easy as it looks.

Regards

-CurtiSS 69

[406 Q-ship]

That goes for cars and drivers. For those not accustomed to heat (cars and driver) it's better to not push it in the hot afternoons.


Water bring lottsa water for drivers, crews, and cars........
Sunblock.....I don't want the kind of sunburn I had after Willow.

[CarlC]

I have Dave N. asking what to bring for the BBQ. What's left?

EDIT: I've spent the last two days gutting the carpet out of the car. It sure does stink when the shifter leaks oil into the interior. Luckily, it went under the foil-backed padding and only wicked up the submarine belt.

[Jeff70]

I should be their Between 3:30-4pm Thursday.

Hey Mary what else do you need for the BBQ? Should I bring my small weber? Ice chest?

Jeff

[Orngcrush69]

I think this is the biggest turn out I've ever been to! Too kewl!!! Can I get a head count for Motel 6 for Friday night. I'm going to stay but if I'm alone, I'll just drive back to Fresno.

[Steve1968LS2]

I have a roomie for the hotel and garage. I'll try and drop off the Camaro at the garage Thrusday afternoon.

Where's this garage?

PM me your # Carl...


Oh yea, be sure to add Nick Licata to the drivers list.. he will be in the 2010 Camaro

[ironworks]

If you guys want we can do a little get togther at my shop friday night. Maybe some BBq and some adult beverages. My shop is on the north end of town not to far from the track.

Let me know.

[CarlC]

John and I are renting a garage at the track. Hopefully I can park the car in it Thursday night.

[Steve1968LS2]

John and I are renting a garage at the track. Hopefully I can park the car in it Thursday night.

How can I get in on this? We have Penny and maybe the 2010.. what's it cost?

Details man! lol

[Jeff70]

Hey Steve the info for the garage is in post #63 on page 4.


Jeff

[Mkelcy]

Anyone solo in a garage or want to share one now (assuming they have some available)?

[mpozzi]

Thursday night's feast-a-thon is off but there's a BBQ/Carnivore place next to the Truck Stop that has good eats. How about those that get there Thursday afternoon/evening plan to meet up about 6pm or so.

Have fun ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[James OLC]

Have fun guys and drive safe - wish i was going. Next time.

[ironworks]

The infamous Champs BBQ is on 7th standard and Hwy 65. Very good BBQ and about 25 miles from the track. Straight east on 7th standard, which is the next Exit south from Lerdo Hwy.

Rodger

[Orngcrush69]

Anyone solo in a garage or want to share one now (assuming they have some available)?

I can split #4 with you, I'm not showing up till Friday morning though.

[Mkelcy]

I can split #4 with you, I'm not showing up till Friday morning though.

Do you have it reserved already? I'll (most likely) be using my car to get back and forth to the track, so I won't be parking overnight.

[Jeff70]

No BBQ? I was looking foward to that tailgate party. So how many plan to go on Thursday and stay over?

I know that Don (CurtiSS 69) is heading down Thursday afternoon.


Jeff

[CarlC]

John and I are arriving Thursday afternoon.

[mpozzi]

No BBQ? I was looking foward to that tailgate party. So how many plan to go on Thursday and stay over?

I know that Don (CurtiSS 69) is heading down Thursday afternoon.


Jeff

We'll be down Thursday afternoon about 4:30pm or so and will be at or near the Willow BBQ place next to the Pilot Truck Stop (I think it's Pilot). One of the hotels is on the other side of Pilot (Motel 6??) so we'll see if there's a place to park the MH overnight.

Plan on dinner at the Willow BBQ around 6ish???

Mary P.

[Steve1968LS2]

I leave my house tomorrow at 3AM..

I have brake pads and oil loaded in the truck.. woo hoo!

Got the clutch swaped on the 2010 SS so Nick will be there late Thursday in it.

Friday is gonna be fun.

[Mkelcy]

I leave my house tomorrow at 3AM..


Where do you live, Texas?

[Steve1968LS2]

Where do you live, Texas?

lol.. I'm driving to Mary and Dave's house to tune up Penny (oil, brake pads, etc).. I want to get there by 8Am and it's a 5 hour haul.

Then back down to Buttonwillow then back up to San Jose for the autocross Saturday and then back down to Mary and Daves and then back home to OC.

The things I do...

[Orngcrush69]

lol.. I'm driving to Mary and Dave's house to tune up Penny (oil, brake pads, etc).. I want to get there by 8Am and it's a 5 hour haul.

Then back down to Buttonwillow then back up to San Jose for the autocross Saturday and then back down to Mary and Daves and then back home to OC.

The things I do...

That's kewl Steve, I might be crazy enough to follow you guys back if I can register late. Anyone know if that's possible?

[406 Q-ship]

lol.. I'm driving to Mary and Dave's house to tune up Penny (oil, brake pads, etc).. I want to get there by 8Am and it's a 5 hour haul.

Then back down to Buttonwillow then back up to San Jose for the autocross Saturday and then back down to Mary and Daves and then back home to OC.

The things I do...

Steve your travels to this event has me feeling much better about all the hoops I jump through to go to an open track event, at least I know who will be in rehab with me.......:smoke:

Damn now you got me thinking of heading up to San Jose to run the Auto-X with the Chevelle.......

[Steve1968LS2]

That's kewl Steve, I might be crazy enough to follow you guys back if I can register late. Anyone know if that's possible?

I think we're registering for the auto-x at the event..

Mary is the expert on this one...

[James OLC]

Yeah - the AAS deal you register at the event first thing in the morning - pay the entry, sign up for the course work and you are good to go. If it's not too busy you can probably buy a second run card as well. Have fun - it's 28 degrees here this morning, now I really wish I was heading down right now.

[Damn True]

AAS schedule this weekend (I'll create a separate post as well)

Saturday: http://www.americanauto-x.com/schedule/rungroup.asp?EventID=127

Sunday: http://www.americanauto-x.com/schedule/rungroup.asp?EventID=128

[CarlC]

For those renting/using garages. The gates are closing at 5:00pm today.

[Charley Lillard]

Are we there yet ? Why yes we are...........

[James OLC]

I heard that from David last night - what an awesome turn out - Jackass, Penny, Carl, and a host of others! Have fun guys

[Larry Callahan]

I told Craig Boone about and he should be there too. Man I wish I were there!

[Jeff70]

Man what a fun day! Craig did show and I got a kick out of seeing him towing his Camaro with the same K5 he used the last time I was a Button Willow track day 8-9yrs ago, thanks for the ride Craig!

Also thanks Mary I love the new wheels.

Charlie, ya gotta let me know when you hit ThunderHill in JA, I wana know what 700hp feels like on the track!

Don you should get the pkg by the end of the week.

Thanks guys!

Jeff

[Larry Callahan]

:postpics:

[Jeff70]

So true! But I have a good excuse Larry I'm still in the car heading home.

You should have brought the Camaro out to play.


Jeff

[Chad-1stGen]

Wish I coulda been there!

[Tyson A]

Here is a couple pics from today it was a good day and if someones got a pic of the X games racers Craig and Don at the end of the day please post I've got to add that to my collection.
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(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s140/sscandore/buttonwillow/IMG_1987.jpg)

[Tyson A]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/IMG_1994-1.jpg (https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/)

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[Tyson A]

Heres a couple more
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[Mkelcy]

if someones got a pic of the X games racers Craig and Don at the end of the day please post I've got to add that to my collection.


Like this?

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[Tyson A]

That's what I'm talking about.
I can here it now
MORE GAS!!
MORE GAS!!
TOO MUCH GAS!!!
Hey where the track go?

Hey guys It was great meeting everyone and hopefully next time I will have something to drive in the X games.

[CarlC]

HAA HAA! Looks like Craig took a dirt shower. Where did you guys go off at?

It was a great day. A few casualties, but nothing that can't be fixed and nobody was hurt. I hope Aaron made it home OK.

I made out great. I have a like new Longacre digital tire gauge with a slick aluminum storage case, and really nice yellow funnel that I saw being used to pour Torco dino-juice into Penny's engine.

[Charley Lillard]

We had a ball...Next time...Buck Owens Crystal Palace in Bakersfield...No Mary it isn't a hour away.........

[mpozzi]

HAA HAA! Looks like Craig took a dirt shower. Where did you guys go off at?

It was a great day. A few casualties, but nothing that can't be fixed and nobody was hurt. I hope Aaron made it home OK.

I made out great. I have a like new Longacre digital tire gauge with a slick aluminum storage case, and really nice yellow funnel that I saw being used to pour Torco dino-juice into Penny's engine.

Steve said to give me the Longacre tire gauge but he wants the funnel ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[406 Q-ship]

Steve said to give me the Longacre tire gauge but he wants the funnel ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

Thats who light fingered your pressure gauge.......

[406 Q-ship]

Here is what I took....

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[406 Q-ship]

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[Mkelcy]

This was my first track day and I have to say it was great. If you're on the fence about doing one, just bite the bullet and come on out.

I had done a Bondurant school about 18 years ago, so the sponsoring organization was okay with me skipping the driving school and going into "Solo" which had point by passing on straights. Turns out we had a lot of "ringers" in solo, so I mostly got to practice my point by, but nonetheless had a lot of fun.

My garage mate Dave (Orangcrush69) gave me some advice on tire pressures (start at 35 - shooting for 40 when hot - and tune from there) and the track layout. The first 20 minute session was a little discouraging, as I was learning the track, trying to pick out the line and trying not to hold up faster drivers. There were some pretty tight low speed turns (Star Mazda and Off Ramp) and a challeging combination in one section (Cotton Corners) that I couldn't figure out. (Track map: http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/ We were going counterclockwise.) The "Esses" could be taken essentially straight though clipping apexes. "Bus Stop" was a nightmare of rough pavement. "Lost Hill" is a blind left hander that was just a hoot, you run up, the car unweights and then you hammer the throttle as the car settles back down.

The next session was much better - I wasn't particularly faster, but started to get some rhythm on the track and discovered brakes. I drive pretty hard on the street, but don't use my brakes aggressively. Using brakes on the track is a whole different deal. The third session was better still, but I was still doing a lot of point bys.

For my last session I rode with Dave (one of the faster drivers in our group) and it was an eye opener. My lines were pretty much like Dave's but he was using his brakes much more aggressively than I was and was powering out of the slower turns much more aggresively than I was. I think the key for me to getting faster is going to be learning how much braking I have, using it and trusting in my ability to slow enough for a turn and then relying on the car's power to bring the rear end around to set up for the next turn. After my ride with Dave, it was clear there was a whole lot more in my car than I was using.

The car worked great. Dave observed that the rear brakes were locking up on some turns, and my proportioning valve was already cranked toward full front bias, so I let a little air out of the rear tires. The coolant temperature stayed fine, my brakes (being underutilized) were fine, oil pressure etc. were all good. The tires even looked pretty good after about 75 minutes of track time. The car used about 3 gallons of gas for each 20 minute session - probably about 4.5-6.5 mpg.

There was a good Pro-Touring turn-out with muscle cars well represented and well driven. It was a sight to see all the Pro-Touring cars screaming around the track and we got to see Penny and Jackass go at it getting ready for Optima.

Finally, the people were great - very encouraging, very willing to offer suggestions and tips for how to get around the track, very ready with tuning suggestions, and very willing to ride along or to offer a ride - all without making a newbie feel like a newbie.

Special thanks to Dave for his encouragment and to CurtiSS for his tips on the track, car setup and for demonstrating that most speed is generated between the ears.

By the way, Dave and Mary Pozzi can drive. :)

[CurtiSS 69]

Wow!

What a great track day! Great cars, great folks, great weather... I thank Craig and Dave H. for the rides in there cars. They have incredible cars and are great drivers. The event was like a private car show and track day. It was really good to have the first time drivers as well Aaron, Mike, and Kyle that all did great for their first time. The only bad part was it was over to quickly. I wish it could have been a two day event...I didn't get enough 4-20 min and a 30 finale just left me wanting more. I don't know about the others, but it was starting to come together for me in the 4th and 5th sessions. It was the best track day ever. The P-T cars were out in force. NCRC said that if we could get enough folks to commit early in the future we could get our own run group.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CurtiSS 69]

Like this?

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It looked like Craig just smoked Yosemite Sam Exploding Cigar.Thumbs up were given by all the turn worker afterwords. He was really moving the in that session.The great thing about this track is it forgives excursions with lots of run off.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Mkelcy]

It looked like Craig just smoked Yosemite Sam Exploding Cigar.Thumbs up were given by all the turn worker afterwords. He was really moving the in that session.The great thing about this track is it forgives excursions with lots of run off.

We forgot to mention that Curtiss was also involved in the X Games action.

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[CarlC]

Looks like Craig will need to start cleaning out his Camaro with the prodigious use of a shovel. That picture of you two is classic!

[406 Q-ship]

Looks like Craig will need to start cleaning out his Camaro by the prodigious use of a shovel. That picture of you two is classic!

Then a move to a firehose.....It look like it had been parked next to a dirt road for 20 years with the windows open. Consider it was the worst off track event for 2 outtings is great (knock on wood). It was another great time with the Pro-touring.com family and the Southern California and Northern California people got to meet, I for one look forward to next time. I will hopefully have seats, belts, and a rear axle in my car to actually run Buttonwillow.

[Jeff70]

Here's a few I took.

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[Jeff70]

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[Jeff70]

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[Jeff70]

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[David Pozzi]

Here's a great pic of me driving Penny!
Many thanks to Steve for letting me get behind the wheel for a few laps!
I had a great time except when Penny lost a rear brake caliper! I wish I'd had time to really look the car over prior to the track day, Penny only arrived last Monday, and it's been a hectic week!

A little advice to Camaro racers, - re-torque your subframe bolts at least once a year! Penny's were below spec on torque, and we have seen this on Mary's Camaro too!

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[rogue]

Really sorry I was unable to make this event. I would have loved to meet all many of you. I've been in and out of the hospital the past few weeks with some health issues so I was unable to get myself together to make it out.

Gotta get myself fixed so I can drive the car. Thats a role reversal, normally its the car thats the problem. Glad you guys/gals had a great time and hope to make it out next time.

[406 Q-ship]

Here's a great pic of me driving Penny!
Many thanks to Steve for letting me get behind the wheel for a few laps!
I had a great time except when Penny lost a rear brake caliper! I wish I'd had time to really look the car over prior to the track day, Penny only arrived last Monday, and it's been a hectic week!

A little advice to Camaro racers, - re-torque your subframe bolts at least once a year! Penny's were below spec on torque, and we have seen this on Mary's Camaro too!

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So the front subframe was loose as well......no wonder my I was feeling queezy in penny......lol

[Steve1968LS2]

So the front subframe was loose as well......no wonder my I was feeling queezy in penny......lol

Just a little loose.. more like snug.

I KNEW I should have done a bolt check.. all we did was pound the snot of her all summer.

We spent all day today on her.. cleaned top and bottom and every bolt checked.

We removed all the unused parking brake crap and knocked off 5-lbs of unsprung weight!

Car looks good now.. except for that missing caliper.. DOH!


Great seeing everyone and I will work to get up a few pics. The sun angle (and my position) sucked, but I got a few good ones.

When's the next one?

[Steve1968LS2]

Really sorry I was unable to make this event. I would have loved to meet all many of you. I've been in and out of the hospital the past few weeks with some health issues so I was unable to get myself together to make it out.

Gotta get myself fixed so I can drive the car. Thats a role reversal, normally its the car thats the problem. Glad you guys/gals had a great time and hope to make it out next time.


Hope you get better soon!

[aray327]

That was a blast! And I made it home as well. I did have to stop once after hearing a strange noise again. Turns out the whole first rib separated from the rest of the belt. I took it easy and said a little prayer and made it back to LA. So now i will clean up the engine compartment, get a new belt, change all the fluids and check my subframe bolts. I don't think i have ever looks at the subframe bolts so that will be interesting.

I really need to get some seats and stop using the door and counsel as
support.

My only regret is not buying one of those photos from the track. Since i didn't run in the group with the rest of you guys no one else got a shot of me. I took a few shots of you guys as well but I think the ones posted are better so i will just keep mine for my collection.

I'm with Steve, When is the next one??

[Steve1968LS2]

That was a blast! And I made it home as well. I did have to stop once after hearing a strange noise again. Turns out the whole first rib separated from the rest of the belt. I took it easy and said a little prayer and made it back to LA. So now i will clean up the engine compartment, get a new belt, change all the fluids and check my subframe bolts. I don't think i have ever looks at the subframe bolts so that will be interesting.

I really need to get some seats and stop using the door and counsel as
support.

My only regret is not buying one of those photos from the track. Since i didn't run in the group with the rest of you guys no one else got a shot of me. I took a few shots of you guys as well but I think the ones posted are better so i will just keep mine for my collection.

I'm with Steve, When is the next one??

We took a lot of shots.. which 69 was yours?

Glad you made it home ok..

[Jeff70]

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[Jeff70]

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[Jeff70]

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[Vegas69]

It sure looks like you guys had a great time. I'm working on a truck and trailer right now. I'll be joining you boys soon!

[mpozzi]

We forgot to mention that Curtiss was also involved in the X Games action.

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OH MY GOD!!! You two look pathetically awful and can't imagine having to drive home looking like an advertisement for a Tide commercial. Where did you guys go off at?? And I bet you're still cleaning dirt out ...

Hope the cars came through unscathed and that everyone made it home safe. You never know what lurks on the outskirts of a race track and I have found a lot of interesting stuff while hiking the perimeters. I lost a magnetic number during a session at Buttonwillow and decided to go hunting for it during the lunch break. Not sure where exactly the number demagnetized itself, I hiked the entire track, snaking my way back and forth so I could check both sides for the errant number. During my trek, I found the following ... pieces of a broken spindle, a couple of tie rod ends, a 13/16" Craftsman deep socket which I kept, shredded fiberglass body panels, a door handle, a bumper, and finally what was once my number which was now a mangled mess due to it landing right smack on the apex leading to the front straight.

I had the most awesome time and it was fun getting to run with other Pro-Touring cars. Still have that pesky tire rub issue and the bottom of the headers did a most excellent imitation of a bump stop (glad you liked the spark show entering Magic Mountain, Craig) but everything else worked well and nothing broke. For me, it was a good lead-in for OPTIMA in November. It's been a year or so since I tracked the car and with a lot of new suspension parts, new Forgelines and Toyo R888's, and the new front Baer 6P calipers, pads, and rotors, I needed a shakedown to ensure all was well.

What's also neat is that everyone pitched in and helped each other out if they needed it. Tools, jacks, elbow grease, you name it ... everyone was there for everyone. It was also cool meeting a lot of the site members that just came out to enjoy the cars and get rides. Hopefully, your cars will get finished and you can get some track time soon.

NCRG is a very safe and fun track organization and they really liked having us there. They said that they're looking into having more events at Buttonwillow so the So. Cal. folks can have some fun. And they'll even have sessions for us if the numbers warrant it; the session would be probably more towards Point-By rather than Solo but as we all know each other, this would work. Very cool and so much fun is ahead. For me, this is what our cars are mostly about and it's what keeps us motivated ...

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There's a two-day Buttonwillow track event on Thanksgiving weekend if anyone's interested. Check out http://www.greenflagdriving.com/ for their schedule and more information about specific events.

I need to get off this computer and get to work fixing a certain red Camaro ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[Steve1968LS2]

A few laps with David Pozzi:

PrhKJhDHB38

The link gives better resolution though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrhKJhDHB38

Did anyone get lap times?

[CurtiSS 69]

Did anyone get lap times?

Steve,

IMO Those are nasty words. This event was about having fun, and was not a competitive TT event. Lap times are immaterial. We don't want anyone feeling bad because they were not as fast. Plus the cars were so different, as were the driver skill levels. We had race cars with license plates that were trailered and daily drivers from Los Angeles and the Bay Area that were driven to the track. If you want lap times join NASA and run in your designated TT class (most cars would be in the Unlimited class) where you are judged by your lap times. Everyone did great and it was a great time. Some organizations do not allow lap timing of any sort.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve,

IMO Those are nasty words. This event was about having fun, and was not a competitive TT event. Lap times are immaterial. We don't want anyone feeling bad because they were not as fast. Plus the cars were so different, as were the driver skill levels. We had race cars with license plates that were trailered and daily drivers from Los Angeles and the Bay Area that were driven to the track. If you want lap times join NASA and run in your designated TT class (most cars would be in the Unlimited class) where you are judged by your lap times. Everyone did great and it was a great time. Some organizations do not allow lap timing of any sort.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Wow.. calm down there.. I just asked. I seemed to remember that some people (ok, alot of people) rented transponders.. I guess they just did it for decoration.

1. where did I say it wasn't about having fun?
2. where did I say it was a competition?

IMO you're a bit touchy.

:)

[CurtiSS 69]

OH MY GOD!!! You two look pathetically awful and can't imagine having to drive home looking like an advertisement for a Tide commercial. Where did you guys go off at?? And I bet you're still cleaning dirt out ...

Hope the cars came through unscathed and that everyone made it home safe. You never know what lurks on the outskirts of a race track and I have found a lot of interesting stuff while hiking the perimeters. I lost a magnetic number during a session at Buttonwillow and decided to go hunting for it during the lunch break. Not sure where exactly the number demagnetized itself, I hiked the entire track, snaking my way back and forth so I could check both sides for the errant number. During my trek, I found the following ... pieces of a broken spindle, a couple of tie rod ends, a 13/16" Craftsman deep socket which I kept, shredded fiberglass body panels, a door handle, a bumper, and finally what was once my number which was now a mangled mess due to it landing right smack on the apex leading to the front straight.

I had the most awesome time and it was fun getting to run with other Pro-Touring cars. Still have that pesky tire rub issue and the bottom of the headers did a most excellent imitation of a bump stop (glad you liked the spark show entering Magic Mountain, Craig) but everything else worked well and nothing broke. For me, it was a good lead-in for OPTIMA in November. It's been a year or so since I tracked the car and with a lot of new suspension parts, new Forgelines and Toyo R888's, and the new front Baer 6P calipers, pads, and rotors, I needed a shakedown to ensure all was well.

What's also neat is that everyone pitched in and helped each other out if they needed it. Tools, jacks, elbow grease, you name it ... everyone was there for everyone. It was also cool meeting a lot of the site members that just came out to enjoy the cars and get rides. Hopefully, your cars will get finished and you can get some track time soon.

NCRG is a very safe and fun track organization and they really liked having us there. They said that they're looking into having more events at Buttonwillow so the So. Cal. folks can have some fun. And they'll even have sessions for us if the numbers warrant it; the session would be probably more towards Point-By rather than Solo but as we all know each other, this would work. Very cool and so much fun is ahead. For me, this is what our cars are mostly about and it's what keeps us motivated ...


There's a two-day Buttonwillow track event on Thanksgiving weekend if anyone's interested. Check out http://www.greenflagdriving.com/ for their schedule and more information about specific events.

I need to get off this computer and get to work fixing a certain red Camaro ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

We went off on the inside of I-5 after Cotton Corners. It was not that bad at all (check the smiles in the photos). It was just a 270 degree spin with the last 90 degrees off course. We were working on using more accelerator out of the turns, and the back got loose on the rippled part of the exit of Cotton Corners. If we could have removed some bump damping from the rear shocks it would not have happened. The rear was skipping and got loose. It seemed like we hit a massive pile of Nestle Quick once we left the track. We couldn't see for about 30 seconds, so it probably looked like Bakersfield got Nuked from a distance. As everyone can see we all had big smiles and everyone afterwords laughed like hell about it. The track officials all gave the thumbs up, the lady in the flag stand threw down paper towels to help clean the windshield. The clean up will be the worst part. I wish I could help with that.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Steve1968LS2]

We forgot to mention that Curtiss was also involved in the X Games action.

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The caption possibilities for this photo are endless.. lol

Saw a little two seat drop top (top down) hit the dirt big time.. man, I can't imagine how long that would take to clean up!

And thanks to Carl for letting my use part of his garage overnight.

[CarlC]

Hey Steve, I think your Longacre tire gauge is occuping space in my garage. Give me a call on my mobile and perhaps we can meet on Tuesday since I'll be down your way.

Penny and my Camaro, a match made in heaven!

Nick and I had a blast out there for almost an entire session. We had a difficult time getting several laps in a row where we we're not hung up with traffic, but it was game-on when things opened up. Dave and I also had some fun during several of the sessions learning each others lines.

[406 Q-ship]

Just a little loose.. more like snug.

I KNEW I should have done a bolt check.. all we did was pound the snot of her all summer.

We spent all day today on her.. cleaned top and bottom and every bolt checked.

We removed all the unused parking brake crap and knocked off 5-lbs of unsprung weight!

Car looks good now.. except for that missing caliper.. DOH!


Great seeing everyone and I will work to get up a few pics. The sun angle (and my position) sucked, but I got a few good ones.

When's the next one?

If all that happened was the subframe got a bit loose for all that Penny has been put through this summer then that is a great testament of the quality of work that went into her. She is an awesome ride and will look forward to getting another ride in her, I am willing to help you with Penny anyway I can Steve. Now we need to get OLC and Penny to the same track at the sametime, sorry I know it will be a ton of work for Daivd and Mary if both are running the same weekend (you have my assistance when you need it). I have some pretty good picture of the worst attrition of the day, Penny's loss of a brake caliper. Let this be a warning to all of us that safety is more than just cages, fire exingushers, and safety belts, it includes a standard safety check list of to do things before a track day. Mary and I discussed this for a few minutes when we were there. Mary if you and David would not mind, I think that putting up the check list you go through for Mary's Camaro would be good for all of us here.

[Charley Lillard]

Mary cheats......

[camcojb]

Steve,

IMO Those are nasty words. This event was about having fun, and was not a competitive TT event. Lap times are immaterial. We don't want anyone feeling bad because they were not as fast. Plus the cars were so different, as were the driver skill levels. We had race cars with license plates that were trailered and daily drivers from Los Angeles and the Bay Area that were driven to the track. If you want lap times join NASA and run in your designated TT class (most cars would be in the Unlimited class) where you are judged by your lap times. Everyone did great and it was a great time. Some organizations do not allow lap timing of any sort.

Regards

CurtiSS 69
You probably misunderstood Steve, don't think that's what he was getting at. You sir are a hell of a driver, it was great watching you work your car around the track............. :)

Jody

[Orngcrush69]

What a great event! I've had such a bad year and this is just what I needed to cheer me up!!! I don't think I've seen so many of us together at one time, it's too bad we didn't get a picture of all of us together. It was great seeing old freinds and meeting new ones.

The Chevelle ran the best it ever has, I could do no wrong... probably due to the Nitto -01's. That is a great tire! The alternater problem just turned out to be a loose nut. duh and I drove back to Fresno with no problems. ;-)

[Steve1968LS2]

Hey Steve, I think your Longacre tire gauge is occuping space in my garage. Give me a call on my mobile and perhaps we can meet on Tuesday since I'll be down your way.

Penny and my Camaro, a match made in heaven!

Nick and I had a blast out there for almost an entire session. We had a difficult time getting several laps in a row where we we're not hung up with traffic, but it was game-on when things opened up. Dave and I also had some fun during several of the sessions learning each others lines.

Yea, it was a blast... how many more quarts do you need for your oil change.. three? I'll bring them to the prisoner exchange.. lol

You can give me Mary's funnel as well and I will send it up to her with the rest of the items I owe her.

Yep, you and Nick (in the 2010) were neck and neck.. blower on blower action.. lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Mary cheats......

She lies too.. but we forgive her

(inside joke about where we ate dinner)..

Jackass looked great out there, I will get you that vid of you on the straitaway, sounded wicked.

[Steve1968LS2]

If all that happened was the subframe got a bit loose for all that Penny has been put through this summer then that is a great testament of the quality of work that went into her. She is an awesome ride and will look forward to getting another ride in her, I am willing to help you with Penny anyway I can Steve. Now we need to get OLC and Penny to the same track at the sametime, sorry I know it will be a ton of work for Daivd and Mary if both are running the same weekend (you have my assistance when you need it). I have some pretty good picture of the worst attrition of the day, Penny's loss of a brake caliper. Let this be a warning to all of us that safety is more than just cages, fire exingushers, and safety belts, it includes a standard safety check list of to do things before a track day. Mary and I discussed this for a few minutes when we were there. Mary if you and David would not mind, I think that putting up the check list you go through for Mary's Camaro would be good for all of us here.

Yea, doing a bolt check was on my list but I ran out of time and didn't make it to the Pozzi's place to do it. Hell, it was fine in TN, but the truth is that it just hadn't broken yet. I checked around the car when I got there but with no lift I didn't get far under the car. Learned my lesson.

So the moral is to check ALL your bolts.. even the ones you forget about like the subframe bolts.

Good seeing you and we will have to get the One Lap and the Penster out to a nice autox to do battle.. he already has me beat in the "nice car" catagory, that thing is sick.

Considering all we did is run the car all summer I pretty happy that this was the biggest problem. Time for an oil change.

[CarlC]

Three more for a change + one for topping off in between.

[Steve1968LS2]

Three more for a change + one for topping off in between.

lol.. you give a mouse a cookie.. ;)

I will have four quarts of the sweet Torco juice in a plain brown bag for the exchange.

[nickdoe6]

Nick and I had a blast out there for almost an entire session. We had a difficult time getting several laps in a row where we we're not hung up with traffic, but it was game-on when things opened up. Dave and I also had some fun during several of the sessions learning each others lines.

Carl, you and me battling on the last session was epic. After that I was done for the day. I had nothing left.
That was the most fun I've had on track...ever.

Nick L.

[mpozzi]

Steve,

IMO Those are nasty words. This event was about having fun, and was not a competitive TT event. Lap times are immaterial. We don't want anyone feeling bad because they were not as fast. Plus the cars were so different, as were the driver skill levels. We had race cars with license plates that were trailered and daily drivers from Los Angeles and the Bay Area that were driven to the track. If you want lap times join NASA and run in your designated TT class (most cars would be in the Unlimited class) where you are judged by your lap times. Everyone did great and it was a great time. Some organizations do not allow lap timing of any sort.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Hi Don,

Transponders were available if you wanted timing but not everyone did. A few in our group were curious and did rent them (I didn't so have no idea on my times). And where is Cotton Corner in relation to Start/Finish? Is it that 180 degree corner at the south end?

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[mpozzi]

Carl, you and me battling on the last session was epic. After that I was done for the day. I had nothing left.
That was the most fun I've had on track...ever.

Nick L.

I checked and found some very cool pics of the '10 shot by the track photographer.

Tried to get gridded close to both of you guys but there were too many cars in between. The three of us flying about would have been much fun. Gotta do it again and soon.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[mpozzi]

Mary cheats......

Shhhhhh ... that was supposed to be a secret.

[nickdoe6]

Did anyone get lap times?

My best lap was a 2:24.822.
I've never driven Buttonwillow, so I have no idea what that means. I do know I had a freaking blast on that lap. I think that was a clean lap without having to pass any of the slower cars.
I found out that the stock Pirelli's went up 10 lbs in air pressure after a session. Once I brought the front tires down 10 lbs, the car loosened up quite a bit. It was still a little tight, but not nearly as bad as when they had 51 lbs of air pressure.

Nick L.

[nickdoe6]

Tried to get gridded close to both of you guys but there were too many cars in between. The three of us flying about would have been much fun. Gotta do it again and soon.



Mary, that would have been way too much fun.
Okay, so let's do it next time for sure...

Nick L.

[Mkelcy]

Hi Don,

Transponders were available if you wanted timing but not everyone did. A few in our group were curious and did rent them (I didn't so have no idea on my times). And where is Cotton Corner in relation to Start/Finish? Is it that 180 degree corner at the south end?

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

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[mpozzi]

Ahh, yes. I saw a couple cars leave the track at the tail end of Cotton Corners during my sessions.

Mary Pozzi

[Mkelcy]

Is that Penny's rear caliper in your avatar?

[ROEINONDUBS]

did anyone go to the great America event i was there but didnt see any of the cars i hoped to maybe cuz i was late today and early yesterday.

[mpozzi]

None of the regulars ended up going to AAS this weekend. Perhaps in a couple of weeks for UFO at Marina.

Mary Pozzi

[Steve1968LS2]

Mary, that would have been way too much fun.
Okay, so let's do it next time for sure...

Nick L.

Next time I want to have all four brake corners bolted in place.. that think was too brutal to be fun.. Dave is a madman!

[Steve1968LS2]

Is that Penny's rear caliper in your avatar?

Everyone is a comedian.. lol

Brake fluid is mess stuff.. we left a spacer bracket somewhere out on the track.

[David Pozzi]

Mary's avitar is a burning autocross cone caught on a brake rotor.
Here's some crazy autocross "cones"!

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[Charley Lillard]

The Esses were a blast once Mary explained how to get thru them.

[CarlC]

Carl, you and me battling on the last session was epic. After that I was done for the day. I had nothing left.
That was the most fun I've had on track...ever.

Nick L.

:cool: ....and the exact reason for having cars like ours.

Put some tires on that car and it will become a whole different animal.

Did anyone get some pics of Dave N's Atomic Orange C6 while on track?

[Damn True]

None of the regulars ended up going to AAS this weekend. Perhaps in a couple of weeks for UFO at Marina.

Mary Pozzi


Deeana was there, and the guy with the sweet blue/white '69 that CAR built with the 17' minilites.

[Steve1968LS2]

Deeana was there, and the guy with the sweet blue/white '69 that CAR built with the 17' minilites.

Wish we could have made it.. sounded like fun.

[Steve1968LS2]

The Esses were a blast once Mary explained how to get thru them.

Jackass looked really good out there and yes, Mary is a great teacher.

[Damn True]

Would have been cool if you could have organized a group money-shot somewhere on the track with all the PT cars in attendance.

[CarlC]

Mary's avitar is a burning autocross cone caught on a brake rotor.
Here's some crazy autocross "cones"!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/a1a4-1.jpg

That's not a good look for you David.

[Damn True]

^^^ Burners, WTH? ^^^

[CurtiSS 69]

Wow.. calm down there.. I just asked. I seemed to remember that some people (ok, alot of people) rented transponders.. I guess they just did it for decoration.

1. where did I say it wasn't about having fun?
2. where did I say it was a competition?

IMO you're a bit touchy.



Sorry Steve,

I would like to keep these events low pressure and safe for those out there on the fence to join us, and those that were there with us. A track day can be pretty intimidating for someone new in a car they built themselves. I would like to see double the amount of P-T cars out there. If the first step is too big it will be only the faster more experienced guys.

I know they had transponders, and if you're in the Open Group and setting a car up lap timing is extremely useful. None of us ran in the Open Group. Someone trying to put a good lap time in in a load of traffic is a dangerous thing. I want to keep it friendly and safe.

This is just my opinion.

BTW thanks for posting the great video!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Mkelcy]

I would like to keep these events low pressure and safe for those out there on the fence to join us, and those that were there with us. A track day can be pretty intimidating for someone new in a car they built themselves. I would like to see double the amount of P-T cars out there. If the first step is too big it will be only the faster more experienced guys. Let's keep it fun if we can.

Running on a track for the first time in a car I drove to the event with Mary Pozzi in her race car, CarlC in his supercharged car, Nick in the supercharged 2010 Camaro, Dave in his extremely fast 69 Chevelle and Craig in his race car, all of whom have multiple-multiple track days, intimidating? Whatever gives you that idea?

LOL, I pointed so many people by I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome in my left wrist.

[CurtiSS 69]

Running on a track for the first time in a car I drove to the event with Mary Pozzi in her race car, CarlC in his supercharged car, Nick in the supercharged 2010 Camaro, Dave in his extremely fast 69 Chevelle and Craig in his race car, all of whom have multiple-multiple track days, intimidating? Whatever gives you that idea?

LOL, I pointed so many people by I think I have carpal tunnel syndrome in my left wrist.

LOL! It sounds like a good thrill having that freight train going by. I wished you had a recording. It probably didn't help that some dope knocked one of the cones onto the front straight squeezing it down more in a spot. I hope you join us for another track day soon. Would Laguna Seca be too far?

BTW Try putting the Raybestos ST-41 pads on the front to improve your brake bias (if it is a friction mismatch problem). They are available from SpeedToys or Porterfield. If it's a hydraulics problem...

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Steve1968LS2]

Sorry Steve,

I would like to keep these events low pressure and safe for those out there on the fence to join us, and those that were there with us. A track day can be pretty intimidating for someone new in a car they built themselves. I would like to see double the amount of P-T cars out there. If the first step is too big it will be only the faster more experienced guys.

I know they had transponders, and if you're in the Open Group and setting a car up lap timing is extremely useful. None of us ran in the Open Group. Someone trying to put a good lap time in in a load of traffic is a dangerous thing. I want to keep it friendly and safe.

This is just my opinion.

BTW thanks for posting the great video!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

I think of track times (and times in general) as being more a gauge of progress... after all, it's nice to see over the course of the day that you're making progress (reflected in faster times). After all, without times it's hard to know if you are making forward progress in your driving skill.

I never suggested it become a "race" or that people drive past thier comfort/skill level just to get a time better than Joe Blow. Quite a few people got transponders so I was curious if they made improvements during the day.

Friendly is good.. safe is better.. and we should always keep it fun. So see, we are in full agreement :)

[aray327]

A track day can be pretty intimidating for someone new in a car they built themselves....
CurtiSS 69[/QUOTE]


That would be me! I built my car myself (still not finished) and drove it to the event. I have to tell you just sharing space with purpose built cars is intimidating, but at the same time i was quite proud to be able to say i ran this event (albeit in the driving school class) with you guys.

Thanks Curtis for organizing, and thanks to everyone else for encouragement and support. Oh, looks like I made it into at least one photo (white original paint '69).

[Mkelcy]

LOL! It sounds like a good thrill having that freight train going by. I wished you had a recording. It probably didn't help that some dope knocked one of the cones onto the front straight squeezing it down more in a spot. I hope you join us for another track day soon. Would Laguna Seca be too far?

BTW Try putting the Raybestos ST-41 pads on the front to improve your brake bias (if it is a friction mismatch problem). They are available from SpeedToys or Porterfield. If it's a hydraulics problem...

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Oh, I'm definitely hooked. Laguna Seca's a bit far for drving the car I'd be running on the track up and back. In the worst case a 122 mile tow is doable; 400 miles is another matter.

[CurtiSS 69]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/IMG_1953-1.jpg

Now I know why Carl wears the flight suit! Awesome shot Tyson. Thanks for the help with removal and replacement of the front shocks. A 1/4 turn softer and that awful push dissappeared. The car & driver were happy after that.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Charley Lillard]

I liked that white 69....Cool car

[Tyson A]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/IMG_1953-1.jpg

Now I know why Carl wears the flight suit! Awesome shot Tyson. Thanks for the help with removal and replacement of the front shocks. A 1/4 turn softer and that awful push dissappeared. The car & driver were happy after that.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Thanks that picture is my new wallpaper. As for the shocks I'm just glad I was able to help out.

Tyson

[CurtiSS 69]

A track day can be pretty intimidating for someone new in a car they built themselves....
CurtiSS 69


That would be me! I built my car myself (still not finished) and drove it to the event. I have to tell you just sharing space with purpose built cars is intimidating, but at the same time i was quite proud to be able to say i ran this event (albeit in the driving school class) with you guys.

Thanks Curtis for organizing, and thanks to everyone else for encouragement and support. Oh, looks like I made it into at least one photo (white original paint '69).[/QUOTE]

Aaron,

I'm glad to know that you and Mike had a great time. It's important that new drivers return and others thinking about it feel welcome to make our group larger with drivers we all can trust in their precious muscle cars. Why should only the usual suspects get to have all the fun?

You are so right there was some very serious machinery there. This was very cool.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

I remember when that happened. I badly misjudged the corner entry and ended up too far inside. Thanks for catching my glaring error for all to see Tyson! (jk). Can you please send me the image? I too might make it my wallpaper. [email protected]

Regarding my flight suit, I think Mike still keeps wanting to ask me to empty the trash receptacle.

Aaron, each and every one of us has been in your shoes. It's part of the learning curve. Though you may feel intimidated by the process and the cars, there is no such feeling from any of us that you don't "belong." Quite the opposite, it's great to have new people come out and take a hit off the crack pipe. The first time is the hardest. After a few, you'll be an old dog like the rest of us.

[Tyson A]

I liked that white 69....Cool car

If I remember right Aaron said it has the original paint and the body was straight as an arrow. The stance is perfect. What a diamond in the rough. I can't wait to see it finished.

Tyson

[Steve1968LS2]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/IMG_1953-1.jpg

Now I know why Carl wears the flight suit! Awesome shot Tyson. Thanks for the help with removal and replacement of the front shocks. A 1/4 turn softer and that awful push dissappeared. The car & driver were happy after that.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Holy crap! lol

[Steve1968LS2]

A track day can be pretty intimidating for someone new in a car they built themselves....
CurtiSS 69

That would be me! I built my car myself (still not finished) and drove it to the event. I have to tell you just sharing space with purpose built cars is intimidating, but at the same time i was quite proud to be able to say i ran this event (albeit in the driving school class) with you guys.

Thanks Curtis for organizing, and thanks to everyone else for encouragement and support. Oh, looks like I made it into at least one photo (white original paint '69).

People like you are what make this hobby tick.. and there was a point where every one of us was in your shoes. Hell, I remember stealing my mom's Marie Callendar pie tins so I could buy gas for my '67.. lol

And driving skill is just a matter of practice.. thanks for coming out :)

[DavidN22]

Hey Carl, thanks for hooking me up and nice meeting all you guys this weekend. I had a great time with the Vette running with you guys. You all gave me insperation to get back to work on my 77 Camaro. Been trying to decide for a few years since the smog man killed it. Track day car coming up (as soon as I find some more money).
I'll have to do with the Vette for the time being.

[CurtiSS 69]

I think of track times (and times in general) as being more a gauge of progress... after all, it's nice to see over the course of the day that you're making progress (reflected in faster times). After all, without times it's hard to know if you are making forward progress in your driving skill.



I don't know about the others, but this is how I gauge my progress without lap timing:

1. Am I on the line?
If yes then:
2. Am I on the throttle as much, and as hard as I can be?
If yes then:
3. Is the steering unwound releasing the car at the corner exits?
If yes then:
4. Am I at the limit of tire traction in most of the corners?
If yes then:
5. Is the chassis balance correct between under/oversteer in the important sections of the track? You need to pick where you want it to work, as there is no blanket setup to make it work everywhere.
If yes then:
6. Use lap timing to fine tune driving and chassis setup.

I feel this is pretty easy. I personally haven't mastered the first 5, so I don't need lap timing. When I am out on the track I am not impatient if someone less experienced is holding me up as they will let me by when it is comfortable for them to do so. If someone comes up on me I point them by as soon as possible remaining on the line where I am predictable, and as they are going by I lift -if possible*- to assist them in getting the pass complete. *Don't lift in a throttle balanced turn or you may spin out.

If you believe you do 1 through 5 well mount a video camera and review your track sessions. Problems with 1 and 2 will stand out like a camper shell sitting in the middle of the freeway. 4 is not hard to identify, and 3 & 5 are usually a bit more subtle.

Once you have mastered 1-5 you are blindingly quick and you can procede to competition in TT or wheel to wheel racing if you desire.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CarlC]

Welcome aboard David! Glad you could make it.

There's plenty of inspirational 2nd gen's around here. For a track car, Mary's is hard to beat for bang/buck.

[DavidN22]

Yeah, I looked at Mary's car pretty close, very nice. I am starting to lay out a plan and see where it goes. Atleast I can enjoy driving the vette in the mean time. Been looking at some of the "projects" on this site, pretty crazy!

[Steve1968LS2]

I don't know about the others, but this is how I gauge my progress without lap timing:

1. Am I on the line?
If yes then:
2. Am I on the throttle as much, and as hard as I can be?
If yes then:
3. Is the steering unwound releasing the car at the corner exits?
If yes then:
4. Am I at the limit of tire traction in most of the corners?
If yes then:
5. Is the chassis balance correct between under/oversteer in the important sections of the track? You need to pick where you want it to work, as there is no blanket setup to make it work everywhere.
If yes then:
6. Use lap timing to fine tune driving and chassis setup.

I feel this is pretty easy. I personally haven't mastered the first 5, so I don't need lap timing. When I am out on the track I am not impatient if someone less experienced is holding me up as they will let me by when it is comfortable for them to do so. If someone comes up on me I point them by as soon as possible remaining on the line where I am predictable, and as they are going by I lift -if possible*- to assist them in getting the pass complete. *Don't lift in a throttle balanced turn or you may spin out.

If you believe you do 1 through 5 well mount a video camera and review your track sessions. Problems with 1 and 2 will stand out like a camper shell sitting in the middle of the freeway. 4 is not hard to identify, and 3 & 5 are usually a bit more subtle.

Once you have mastered 1-5 you are blindingly quick and you can procede to competition in TT or wheel to wheel racing if you desire.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

So the only reason to time anything is if you're in a race or competition?

Interesting theory...

Again, I don't know why you equate knowing a lap time to being in some sort of competition with others, but it's your right to have that opinion.

In any event, good seeing you and I hope there's another one of these track days soon.. hopefully my car won't fall apart again. lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Yeah, I looked at Mary's car pretty close, very nice. I am starting to lay out a plan and see where it goes. Atleast I can enjoy driving the vette in the mean time. Been looking at some of the "projects" on this site, pretty crazy!

Yea, she kicks ass and takes names all on "antiquated" leaf springs.. go figure.

Goes to show that a properly set up car doesn't need fancy parts.

[David Pozzi]

Mary's car is an inspiration to many. It was an easy car to build and ran great right off the bat. Jody is wanting to do a second gen too!
David

[406 Q-ship]

Mary's car is an inspiration to many. It was an easy car to build and ran great right off the bat. Jody is wanting to do a second gen too!
David

I get to do my magic on the company 74 over the next year to see what I can get out of a 2nd gen while keeping the ride compliance.

[ROEINONDUBS]

Deeana was there, and the guy with the sweet blue/white '69 that CAR built with the 17' minilites.
Ya I seen a real nice blue/white 69 and the bad ass 68 that's all fiberglass it was light blue and orange

[Charley Lillard]

I have my own transponder that I had signed up to use. Of course I left it at home on the kitchen counter. I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to see their lap times. The idea is to go faster. The timer guages that. At a different track day I figured out thru the timer that I was wasting time frantically up and down shifting when in fact I was smoother-faster by leaving the car in a higher gear. Felt slower but was actually faster.

[Steve1968LS2]

I have my own transponder that I had signed up to use. Of course I left it at home on the kitchen counter. I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to see their lap times. The idea is to go faster. The timer guages that. At a different track day I figured out thru the timer that I was wasting time frantically up and down shifting when in fact I was smoother-faster by leaving the car in a higher gear. Felt slower but was actually faster.

You looked like you going like hell down the straight.. sound great at WOT. Amazing how quiet the blower is. Autocross is like that too.. the faster laps are the ones that feel slower (and we all know how much you love autocross!)


Our 2010 needs and exhaust system.. just too quiet.

[aray327]

I recorded my lap time!

i think it was about 11 minutes and 53 seconds. Of course it could have ben faster except i had to point Mary by... I think she was on foot looking for parts.

[CurtiSS 69]

Now that we have been there. Let's talk about the track. This was my first time running this configuration and it is now my favorite. I'm having a hard time figuring out a single favorite spot is.

My favorites are:

The Esses backwords and not having to slow down for the Sweeper as with 13 CCW.

The float over Lost Hill

Riverside and Truck Stop

Bus Stop

BTW I think my best time was a 13:56.99, and I have no excuses. The hamsters were running hard. Congrat's Aaron you beat me!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Steve1968LS2]

Now that we have been there. Let's talk about the track. This was my first time running this configuration and it is now my favorite. I'm having a hard time figuring out a single favorite spot is.

My favorites are:

The Esses backwords and not having to slow down for the Sweeper as with 13 CCW.

The float over Lost Hill

Riverside and Truck Stop

Bus Stop

BTW I think my best time was a 13:56.99, and I have no excuses. The hamsters were running hard. Congrat's Aaron you beat me!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

I think CCW is a lot harder than CW.. but it did have some real fun segments.. getting lite over the hill was one of them.

[aray327]

Curtis, my time was recorded in minutes... your time was recorded in seconds... Oh yeah, i didn't see any hamsters under your hood either. Wasn't that a rat???

I rather enjoyed the Esses as well. But after looking at Steve's video i see i didn't go through them quite as straight as Dave did.

that 270 degree turn really made my tire rub issue evident. Trying to avoid rubbing ment i had to crawl through there. I really enjoyed the straight way, at least that was one turn i could drive wide open!

[Jeff70]

Aaron, sorry man I didn't get any action pics of you but maybe you can still buy some from the track I seen some good one's they took.

Hey Carl is this Dave H? This Vette went of twice.

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[DavidN22]

Yes, unfortunately that is me, DavidN. I went off twice, thanks to my traction control not wanting to go into Competition Mode. The damn thing kept fighting me and wanting to go straight. Was really fun in the Riverside turn. Finally got it into CM later. Of course it goes in no problem now that I'm home. I went off here instead of fighting it and possibly heading to the inside wall. I had just passed a car and came in kinda hard and bad line.

[CurtiSS 69]

I think CCW is a lot harder than CW.. but it did have some real fun segments.. getting lite over the hill was one of them.

Steve,

I agree for all turns except Riverside. This one is considerable harder CW as it is a decreasing radius turn in that direction.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CurtiSS 69]

Regarding my flight suit, I think Mike still keeps wanting to ask me to empty the trash receptacle.



Wow! The Trash Collectors in L.A. wear flight suits... Does "Highway to the Danger Zone" play as they drive up to get the cans?

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Orngcrush69]

Yeah, I looked at Mary's car pretty close, very nice. I am starting to lay out a plan and see where it goes. Atleast I can enjoy driving the vette in the mean time. Been looking at some of the "projects" on this site, pretty crazy!

Dave, I heard you where from Antioch, I work out of Martinez...how long was that drive home?