1968 Firebird 400

[68400BIRD]

I bought this as a second project to build with my kids when they got a little older. I had a 1977RS camaro that was 99% complete but I lost it in a accident at the body shop (FIRE) make sure your insurance is up to par and that the bodyshop has insurance:pat:

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[68400BIRD]

It's pretty rough, but I'll tackle the projects one at a time. LOL I started out collecting parts and assembling this car as stock and as original as I could. After losing the Camaro which had a lot of aftermarket goodies I changed directions and want to modify this car also. Here are a few pics of the stock things that I had done.
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[68400BIRD]

The 400 motor has a complete rebuild with a decent size cam. I plan on swapping out the heads at a later date. The red dist. cap is long gone also.LOL The 400 tranny has a shift kit added along with every seal replaced. I bolted up a 350 converter for a little higher stall. I hope the tranny will hold up for at least a year.

[68400BIRD]

The car came with drum brakes up front. Those had to go and I had a friend who was parting out a 1969 GTO (rust) so I unbolted the front disc brakes and bolted everything onto my car.
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[68400BIRD]

Heres a few quick pics of what will happen to a car in a very hot fire.
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[68400BIRD]

Moving on I started to tear the firebird apart. I did all of this in two evenings after the kids went to bed.
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[68400BIRD]

The floor was real bad and I wanted to do full floor patches on both sides. A good friend talked me into doing a complete floor. I'm glad that I did. About 70 hours later I had this.
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[68400BIRD]

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[68400BIRD]

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[68400BIRD]

Someone thought that a pair of tin snips and a hammer would be a great way to install bigger speakers in the rear package tray. So I welded in a new used one.
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[68400BIRD]

I started on the rear window channel. The vinyle tops on these and all cars cause a lot of rust problems. More pics and updates to come.

[SamHatco]

Great project. Sorry to hear and see (Ugh!) you lost your last project to the fire, but, now there's another firebird in the build. Good luck with this project.

Sam

[68400BIRD]

Great project. Sorry to hear and see (Ugh!) you lost your last project to the fire, but, now there's another firebird in the build. Good luck with this project.

Sam


Thanks, yes I will looking be forward to a new project.

[68400BIRD]

The brown truck dropped off some parts.
Upper and lower speed tech control arms.
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[68400BIRD]

Tie rod sleeves and global west body bushings.
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QA1 adjustable front coil over front shocks.
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[68400BIRD]

Pontiac long branch manifolds.
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[Code Red]

ouch sorry about the camaro

good luck on the bird

[Jagarang]

Very cool! If I ever try another project, I'll have to do the work myself and save time and zillons of wasted dollars. It's the only way to be financially responsible with these things! Inspiring!

[68400BIRD]

Very cool! If I ever try another project, I'll have to do the work myself and save time and zillons of wasted dollars. It's the only way to be financially responsible with these things! Inspiring!


Thanks, I was looking at some of the other projects yesterday and was starting to wonder if I was in the wrong place. I have to do every bit of the work my self. I cannot afford to pay anyone the big bucks. All of the parts that I have on order or have already posted were bought with money that I got back from my Camaro. That little pile is almost gone. I figure I lost at least ten grand on the camaro. The heat was so hot that it melted anything that was not metal. So I could not save any thing from the rear end,motor, or tranny. Anything aluminum melted off of the car.

[SamHatco]

That's a shame. Not everyone in this site have professional shops building their cars. I for one am building mine in my 2 car garage. Space gets really tight sometimes. Most guys are building theirs the same way. Do as much work as you can with the proper tools and equipment that you have, and on the areas that require specialized tools and equipment leave to the pros. Some times if the tool is not too expensive I'll just buy it and chaulk it up to professional shop labor, but now I'll have that tool for the next build. Good luck

Sam

[68400BIRD]

Yea, I'm working in a small two car garage also. It has more kids toys than car parts in it. I have to clean and organize every time I want to work out there. LOL

[Hammered]

I did mine (including much of the paint) in a 20 x 20 attached . Be persistent and plan out your logistics so you don't crowd yourself out of space. Great project btw.

[1968CamaroSS_Sam]

Yea, I'm working in a small two car garage also. It has more kids toys than car parts in it. I have to clean and organize every time I want to work out there. LOLI absolutely know where you are coming from. I have to clean out my garage also when I work on my Camaro. I also usually work on mine when the kids goto sleep too.
Looks like your car is coming along well. Keep us posted please.
Sorry about the other car.

[lunchbox89]

i love snow lol

[68400BIRD]

Well, I started poking around on the rear quarters and sanded down the rear upper body filler panel. All of them need to be replaced. I'm also going to replace the outer inner rear wheel wells and the trunk drop offs. This will be my first attempt at something this big.

[gto406]

Looking great, keep up the work on a soon to be 'sweet Bird'!

[68400BIRD]

I'll post some pics tonight. I got the sub frame stripped down and ready for some welding before getting powder coated. I have the right side quarter panel, inner outer wheel well and trunk drop off all welded in. I just need to weld up solid and they will be ready for body work.

[68400BIRD]

Subframe getting stripped down for welding,sandblasting, and powder coating.
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[68400BIRD]

I had all of the new sheet metal for the drivers side..
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[68400BIRD]

And one more box came today. Alston sub frame connectors.

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[68400BIRD]

It's been a long time since I posted any progress. Heres a few pics of the passenger side.
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[68400BIRD]

I'm going to smooth out the body lines or seams on the rear valance, lower rear rockers, and the filler panel. I want to have a better flowing look. I also have the sub frame all welded up solid and I plan on doing the guldstrand mod sometime this week. I have at least a weeks worth of welding and grinding on the rear of the car.

[Motown 454]

Nice work it loos good..

[SamHatco]

Great progress!:twothumbs I've always thought the pontiac blue was the best engine color.

Sam

[rickpaw]

Great work. I'm working on restoring a 67 FB 400 coupe. Right now I'm replacing the quarter skin on the driver side. Will follow your thread closely.

[68400BIRD]

Great work. I'm working on restoring a 67 FB 400 coupe. Right now I'm replacing the quarter skin on the driver side. Will follow your thread closely.

I'm new at this also but let me know if you have any questions or need pics of something. I would love to help someone learn from my mistakes.

[rickpaw]

I'm new at this also but let me know if you have any questions or need pics of something. I would love to help someone learn from my mistakes.

Thanks. PM sent.

[GM_muscle]

looks killer keep up the work.

[68400BIRD]

I spent about six hours out in the garage yesterday I got it all cleaned up and put the car dollys on (sp) to help move it around. I bolted the sub frame back on to make sure that the new floor pan that I put in still fit correctly. I was worried about the inside cage nuts that attach to the rear most subframe bushing. The floor did not have any wiggle room when I put it in and the rear cage nuts were not exactly where I wanted them. But I figured I could still move them if I had to as long as I did not weld in the seat platforms.
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I lined up the alignement holes and everything fit just fine.
I also drilled the new holes for the Guldstrand mod. I drilled the frame and control arms for 1/2" bolts. I think the stock ones were 7/16.
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[69TAPoser]

Looking great, keep the updates coming! :twothumbs

Phil

[rohrt]

Great project. Keep the pictures coming.

Be sure to measure the sub frame and get it in squar, don't go by just the alianment holes. Ask me how I know.

[68400BIRD]

Great project. Keep the pictures coming.

Be sure to measure the sub frame and get it in squar, don't go by just the alianment holes. Ask me how I know.


Thanks, I'll make sure to get it squared up before it's bolted in for good. I need to mock up all of my suspension and brakes. I know I need to bend some new ss brake lines and weld or bolt in new front flex line brackets. I want to do all of this before I send it out to get powder coated.

[68400BIRD]

I spent most of the nights out in the garage this week and got a lot done. I did a lot of welding and grinding.
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The first time that the car has seen sunlight since last year.
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[68400BIRD]

I finally have primer on all of my body work. I smoothed all of the body lines on the tail panel,filler panel, and lower rockers.
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[GM_muscle]

looks good i have a 69 thats about to get that done.

[rickpaw]

Looks good Rob. I just welded up the pass side quarter skin on my 67 over the weekend. Hopefully I can get to where you're at soon.
Tu

[mroth]

Good start. I used the same Speedtech A-arms as yours and I'm glad I did

[Motown 454]

Looks good.

[68400BIRD]

Good start. I used the same Speedtech A-arms as yours and I'm glad I did


Did you do the Guldstrand mod along with the new arms? I drilled mine out and also went with the 1/2 inch bolts. Have you done an alignment(sp) yet? Just wondering what you got for numbers.

[68400BIRD]

I will try and post some more pics tonight. There not real picture worthy but I cut all the holes needed for the floor shifter and console. I didn't enjoy cutting holes in my newly installed floor. I also got the inside rockers painted and seam sealed. And one seat platform welded into place on the drivers side.

[T_Raven]

Dang dude nice job on those quarter skins

[John Wright]

Coming right along there Rob.

[68400BIRD]

Thanks John, nice to see a famaliar face. LOL I hope to get a lot done next week. The family is leaving for three days during the week so that means some late nights out in the garage.

[68400BIRD]

Couple of pics with the car up in the air. Now it's time to get to work.
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Couple of pics with the dash removed and the seat platforms welded in.
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[John Wright]

Hey...you have been busy.....keep it up!

[steve g]

Looks like she's coming along. Keep those birds alive!

[E.rodz]

wow i am really impressed that your kids can sleep through all that noise. i think this would be a better build than the first anyways. keep up the good work.

[68400BIRD]

Started cleaning the bottom with a heat gun and a couple of different scrapers. Ordered all of my DP paint. I hope to have the floor painted by the end of this weekend. Next I have to grind down all of the welds on my sub frame and weld mounts onto the 12 bolt.

[rickpaw]

Looks like you're moving along fast. I'm kind of slowing down right now, not much done on mine. Life and family caught up with me.:)

Tu

[68400BIRD]

Started working on the floor. The floor pan was scuffed and aprayed with DP90 about two weeks ago. I sandblasted for about six hours total on the back half. The inside of the trunk needed a good blasting. I found a few pin holes but they were not to hard to weld back up solid. The pictures of the trunk make it look a lot worse that it actually is. I got both of the wheel wells done up to the frame rails. Most of the dirty work is done on the bottom side.
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Once the trunk is done I plan on tackling the front firewall. I spayed primer over some of the new front sheetmetal but the welds still need to be ground down. I bought the plate for smoothing the firewall since I am going with vintage air. Still not sure how I plan installing that yet.

[Motown 454]

The bottom looks good your doing a nice job..

[68400BIRD]

Thanks Wayne, I'm looking forward to projects that are a little more fun.

[John Wright]

Thanks Wayne, I'm looking forward to projects that are a little more fun.
It might not be fun Rob, but it is important to get all of that done. Great job...now come down here and do mine for me...LOL

[68400BIRD]

Started working on the inside of the trunk again. I have around 15 hours into grinding down welds,sandblasting,acid etching, and general clean up of panels and old seam sealer. I have one patch welded in and a couple of pin holes that I welded close. I acid etched the inside of the trunk and put down two coats of POR15. I'm going to sand it all down with 400 and put two coats of Lizard skin down.
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[Young Gun]

looks good!

[68400BIRD]

I did some work in the trunk. The paint looks funny because I used two different POR15 products. One was satin and one was gloss. I sandblasted the whole trunk,acid etched, and either sprayed DP90 or used POR15 depanding on the location. This will all get scuffed down and then will get 2-3 coats of Lizardskin and then spatter paint.
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[John Wright]

Nice.....wish the trunk in my camaro was that clean....

[68400BIRD]

I had a friend stop by and help this last Sunday and we decided to tackle the firewall.
Here is what it looked like when we started.
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A couple of patches welded in.
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I had one spot on the cowl that was in bad shape. I cut out both sides and welded in new metal. All welds need to be ground down before painting.
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[68400BIRD]

Nice.....wish the trunk in my camaro was that clean....

Thanks John. I now know that I fit in the trunk of a 1st and 2nd gen car. I still have more to do back there but it's getting closer.

[John Wright]

I have the rust bug working on my car back there from when the tail light gaskets were not sealing.

[Josue]

I'm new to PT cars, and I haven't had a chance to research this....

But, what is the benefit in getting rid of a factory heat/AC system in favor of the Vintage Air unit? Is it just a cosmetic thing, so you can have a smoother firewall?

[f1shman]

Space savings under the hood as much as cosmetics. The stock A/C plenum takes up a lot of real estate in the engine compartment. Running the vintage air unit frees that up and makes it easier to access the passenger side of the engine.

[Josue]

Makes sense!

Cost wise, is it cheaper to revive the stock unit with replacement parts and cleanup vs. getting this system?

How is the installation on this kit? Any tricks involved?

[68400BIRD]

Makes sense!

Cost wise, is it cheaper to revive the stock unit with replacement parts and cleanup vs. getting this system?

How is the installation on this kit? Any tricks involved?

It's probably more expensive going with the Vintage Air if your ac system is complete. The older system will need to be converted over to the newer style of freeon (sp)
My car did not have ac from the factory and my heater box was in bad shape from a mouse who thought it would be a cool house.
Vintage Air makes a kit just for out cars (1st gen) so that helped a lot in making the decision to install it. I just have to save up the money for it.

[LeighP]

Nice work...must be a "thing" with that section on the cowl sides...pretty much the only body rust on my old 67 Firebird 400 convertible was located right in the same place.

[Josue]

It's probably more expensive going with the Vintage Air if your ac system is complete. The older system will need to be converted over to the newer style of freeon (sp)
My car did not have ac from the factory and my heater box was in bad shape from a mouse who thought it would be a cool house.
Vintage Air makes a kit just for out cars (1st gen) so that helped a lot in making the decision to install it. I just have to save up the money for it.

Yea, I'm not even sure if you can get R12 anymore...lol


Nice work...must be a "thing" with that section on the cowl sides...pretty much the only body rust on my old 67 Firebird 400 convertible was located right in the same place.

X2! Our '69 convertible has a patch in the same spot, but on the passanger side.

[68400BIRD]

Started on the firewall this weekend. Heres a before pic.
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After a little grinding.
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And a little body work. I'm not going for perfect but I will smooth out as much as possible. The firewall did not have a flat surface on it from the factory.LOL
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[rohrt]

I can't believe that your doing this in a two stall garage! Very impressed. What are you going to do with the kids bikes when the thing is painted?

[68400BIRD]

I can't believe that your doing this in a two stall garage! Very impressed. What are you going to do with the kids bikes when the thing is painted?

Thanks for the compliments. I hope to have a bigger garage within a few years. I don't see it in paint for at least two years. Just way to much to buy. It needs a complete interior, Vintage Air, posi rear end, and a set of 16 heads that need a ton of work. Money is the biggest issue or wait is it time. LOL I'm just hoping to be able to drive it next year in primer.

[litevette]

Thanks for posting your build. Glad to see you saving that 'Bird and doing it right!

[68400BIRD]

Thanks for posting your build. Glad to see you saving that 'Bird and doing it right!

Thanks, I hope to get working on it again soon. Between two jobs and twins that are 3 1/2 years old there is not much extra time lately.

[68400BIRD]

I have made a lot of progress over the last month. I wanted to get the floor finished first. I sanded down the rear portion and did some body work over a patch that I had put in. The gas tank would have covered it up but I wanted to make it look nicer.
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[68400BIRD]

I did some more work on the firewall,cowl and dash.
Heres the upper cowl all stripped down and ready for some primer.
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The upper cowl is in primer and I started to work on the inside of the cowl.
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The inside of the cowl now has paint.
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I finished sanding down the high build primer and put another coat of primer sealer on.
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[rickpaw]

Looking good Rob. I wish I had a rotisserie like that. Makes it a whole lot easier working on the bottom of the car.

Tu

[gto406]

+1 on that, Rob you are whipping through the metal work. I am barely done stripping mine down (sandblaster keeps clogging up)!

Keep up the good work, it inspires the rest of us.

Cheers,
Brian.

[John Wright]

Good job Rob!

[ZuperZport]

Looking really good. Keep up the great work!

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[68400BIRD]

Looking good Rob. I wish I had a rotisserie like that. Makes it a whole lot easier working on the bottom of the car.

Tu


The rotisserie is a life saver. I did my last car without one and on the final steps of acid etching the bottom I got a big drop of acid in my eye. That landed me in the ER with a suction cup on my eye and with a iv attached to it. They drained over a gallon of saline over my eye to clean it out. So I'm very happy to have the use of it.

[68400BIRD]

+1 on that, Rob you are whipping through the metal work. I am barely done stripping mine down (sandblaster keeps clogging up)!

Keep up the good work, it inspires the rest of us.

Cheers,
Brian.

I think I have most of the metal work done on the shell. Minus the doors and trunk lid. Your not using black diamond in your sandblaster are you? Thanks for the compliments.

[Chicken Louie]

Nice work, it is nice to see a firebird getting done right. Your build is awesome. Keep up the great work!

[68400BIRD]

Nice work, it is nice to see a firebird getting done right. Your build is awesome. Keep up the great work!


Thanks for the compliments.
The shell is back on the rotisserie.
Here is what it looked like just a few weeks ago.
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After two days of hard work I now have this.
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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/12/DSC06976-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/12/DSC06977-1.jpg
I started the seam sealing last night. I'm not enjoying the job so far.LOL

[rickpaw]

Looking real good Rob. Gives me inspiration to get back on my 67.

Tu

[steelcity6]

There i so much Awesome in this thread. great rebuild

[T_Raven]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/12/DSC06976-1.jpg

A bare Firebird shell sitting in primer is one of the sexiest things in the world

[68400BIRD]

I would have to agree with you. LOL It's taken along time but it was worth it.

[Motown 454]

Your doing a beautiful job, nice work. What a difference it makes when their all one color. Sweet!

[68400BIRD]

Your doing a beautiful job, nice work. What a difference it makes when their all one color. Sweet!


Thanks, I know just having it in one color makes a huge difference. I havn't posted updates for a long time but I have been busy on it. Both rockers needed to be stripped and both had some dents. I finished stripping the entire inside roof,sail panels, and inner rockers. There all in primer now including the rockers.
The car sat way to long so I had to scuff down all of the primer on the floor. I put seam sealer on the floor and firewall. That alone was two complete evenings and was a little stressful getting nice clean seams on my smoothed firewall.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06985-1.jpg
The car is upside down in the next two pictures. I brushed and rolled on six coats of Spectrum (Lizardskin) on the inside floor,roof, and I still have to do the trunk floor.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06986-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06987-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

I taped off the bottom of the car and ground down the inside welds on the dash. I need to finish scuffing down the dash and then I can spray the firewall,dash,and cowl tomorrow morning.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06988-1.jpg

[Motown 454]

Nice progress its looking good.

[wmhjr]

Some nice work here. Keep up the pics. I'm enjoying seeing the progress.

[68400BIRD]

Some nice work here. Keep up the pics. I'm enjoying seeing the progress.

Thanks, progress goes in spurts over here. I got up early and sprayed primer on the firewall this morning. Pics to come after the garage airs out.

[68400BIRD]

Still stinks in the garage but I snapped a few pics.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06990-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06991-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06992-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06993-1.jpg

[CruizinKev]

nice man looking good :twothumbs

[cobraguy65]

Subscribing. Thanks for sharing and nice work. I am getting close to starting a build thread on my Bird.

[Rag-Rat]

Great do-it-yourself project. Better than many "professional" shops. Can't wait to see the roller with paint.

[Motown 454]

It looks great, nice work.

[68400BIRD]

I spayed some PPG DCC gloss black paint on the firewall last night.
Here is one before pic first.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/DSC06954-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06994-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06995-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/DSC06996-1.jpg

[67rstbkt]

I ..................like it!

[LeighP]

Hey, that looks great...really clean.

[John Wright]

good job!...looking great

[CruizinKev]

yeah very nice :twothumbs

[rickpaw]

Looking good Rob. What did you use on the firewall before spraying the last coat?

I need to get back on my 67. Sigh.


Tu

[68400BIRD]

Looking good Rob. What did you use on the firewall before spraying the last coat?

I need to get back on my 67. Sigh.


Tu


I started with sanding the whole thing down to bare metal.
Cleaned with wax and grease remover
Acid etched all bare metal
Wiped down with tack cloth
Applied body filler numerous times
Sealed with primer sealer PPG DP90 (two coats)
You can top coat up to seven days but I'm not that fast
Applied seam sealer, let dry for at least one week
Scuffed down all primer
Applied heavy fill primer
Block sanded out filler primer
Wiped down with wax and grease remover,tack cloth
Sprayed primer sealer again
Waited to long and had to scuff down primer again LOL
Wax and grease remover,tack cloth
Sprayed primer sealer again DP90
Top coated with three coats of PPG DCC gloss black paint
I'll wait a few weeks and cut and buff the upper cowl and the area that I smoothed.

[BA.]

looks fantastic man!
keep up the great work.

[redzula]

Started on the firewall this weekend. Heres a before pic.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/DSC06960-1.jpg
After a little grinding.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/DSC06963-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/DSC06964-1.jpg
And a little body work. I'm not going for perfect but I will smooth out as much as possible. The firewall did not have a flat surface on it from the factory.LOL
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/10/DSC06965-1.jpg

"And a little body work. I'm not going for perfect but I will smooth out as much as possible. The firewall did not have a flat surface on it from the factory.LOL"

not going to be perfect?

looks pretty straight to me... needs to be to spray gloss black lol looks good for sure

[68400BIRD]

The big day finally came LOL the car is finally off of the rottisserie. Placed it on jack stands for now intill I get the subframe all put back together.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07000-1.jpg
I tack welded the perches onto my 12 bolt. I will install it with the rest of the suspension and if the pinion angle is correct I will weld it solid and clean it up for paint.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07001-1.jpg
I started putting on new parts. Lower and upper control arms, and sway bar. I will have to do a few mods to the sway bar to make it fit correctly. The bar is more than twice the size of the old one. So I will need to drill new holes in the frame and make some threaded plates for inside of the frame to bolt it to.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC06997-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC06999-1.jpg
Worked on installing the rear brake lines and fuel lines. They have to go in before the engine is installed.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC06998-1.jpg

[wmhjr]

Again - nice job! I'm enjoying those pics!

[68400BIRD]

Again - nice job! I'm enjoying those pics!


Thanks, I'm hoping to have a lot of pics over the next week or two. This is what I have been waiting for. Time to bolt on the new parts that I bought last summer. LOL I guess my time frame was off a little. I thought I would be driving it last summer in primer.

[wmhjr]

Don't feel bad - my project was supposed to be on the road and done by July. For various reasons it was delayed and I'm now waiting until spring. It's been at a show, but I won't drive it until everything is clear and all salt has had a chance to be washed away.

[E.rodz]

great job rob looks like your making foward progress.now your to the fun part of doing some assembling.you need to take a break between spurts of body work or you will go nuts and rush through and regret it later. keep taking your time and don't rush it you will thank yourself later.

[68400BIRD]

great job rob looks like your making foward progress.now your to the fun part of doing some assembling.you need to take a break between spurts of body work or you will go nuts and rush through and regret it later. keep taking your time and don't rush it you will thank yourself later.


Eric, your dead right about taking a break from the body work. I could care less right now if I ever see a welder again. LOL Now it's time to mock up new parts and make everything work together. I think it uses different brain cells because it's fun again.

[zcrz]

nice work, looks good to me

[wmhjr]

I think it uses different brain cells because it's fun again.

Body work kills brain cells - as I am fond of telling my friends who are actually good at it.

[68400BIRD]

Worked on the car some more. Installed the QA1's and spindles.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07002-1.jpg
Close up shot. Need to clean everything up, it's been sitting for a long time. It's amazing how long these projects string out.LOL
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07003-1.jpg
Made the plunge and installed this myself. Lots of towels and small movements.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07004-1.jpg
Engine and tranny all bolted in.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07005-1.jpg

[John Wright]

You're moving right along :)

[68400BIRD]

You're moving right along :)


Thanks John, hows that pole shed of yours coming along?????

[John Wright]

My building is still in the same configuration as it was last Fall...it's just whiter at the moment. Buried in snow.

[rickpaw]

Looks good Rob. I'm in the middle of rebuilding the frame and front suspension as well.

[68400BIRD]

Looks good Rob. I'm in the middle of rebuilding the frame and front suspension as well.


LOL Remember to put the engine mount brackets on the frame before installing the lower control arm. Another thing I wish I had done was trial fit the control arms. I found after everything was painted that you need to go in with threaded rod and two nuts and spread out the lower braces for the control arms. Also install the front sway bar before the motor goes in. It is a little easier before hand.

[rickpaw]

Yup. I almost installed the arms before the mounts. I was just fitting the arms into place and noticed the arms blocking the bolt holes for the engine mounts.

Had to re-compress the spring and lower the arm on one side to install the bigger sway bar.

[68400BIRD]

I hope to have the car on all four wheels by the end of this month. The subframe is bolted up and I started running more of the ss gas and brake lines.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07008-1.jpg

A little trial fit of some rims and tires from my last car.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07009-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07007-1.jpg

I think the back tires are going to be to wide. I can either buy different tires or go back to the Rally II's.

[wmhjr]

Is that a new fuel line from Right Stuff laying under the car?

[John Wright]

Rob, I know you're getting excited...it's looking more like a car everyday...woot!

[68400BIRD]

Is that a new fuel line from Right Stuff laying under the car?


Thats a brake line from inline tube. The gas line is on the other side and is also from inline tube. Having some problems with figuring out what clips go where. They all come in one package and they have no reference.

[68400BIRD]

Rob, I know you're getting excited...it's looking more like a car everyday...woot!


John, Thanks, the project is getting to be more fun each day. I can't wait to get it sitting back down on all fours.

[wmhjr]

Thats a brake line from inline tube. The gas line is on the other side and is also from inline tube. Having some problems with figuring out what clips go where. They all come in one package and they have no reference.

Gotcha. I've used both of them. Inline tube made my fuel lines for me, and I used a couple pieces of brake line from Right Stuff. Both good quality - though Inline tube screwed up my order. I clearly stated 1/2" supply line with an 8AN front connection and no AN on the rear. 4AN on the front of the return but not on the back. My order form and invoice clearly specified it - including the copy that came back with the lines (supply and return). Both came with ANs on both ends. Problem is that there's no friggin way to get an 8AN fitting through the boxed frame around the front. Had to cut the supply line and put a compression fitting on it. Not terrible since I'm running a RobbMC mechanical pump up front instead of an electric in the back - otherwise I'd have made them pick it up, fix it and return it. I think it'll handle what I'm doing, but probably I wouldn't be comfortable if I were pressurizing that supply line from the tank.

Have fun working with that stuff! It's loads of fun (not).

[68400BIRD]

Yea, I'm having fun just trying to figure out the clip kits that I bought. It seems that my order was also goofed up. They sent me a bag of return line clips when I told them that I need a kit to install the fuel line that I ordered. I ordered a single 3/8 fuel line. Now I'm being told that they do not have a fuel line clip set and that I will have to search there clips and order them singly. They joys of rebuilding a 40 year old car. LOL

[wmhjr]

The quality of the stuff at Inline Tube is great. It's just the details that make it frustrating sometimes.

You'll get it. I had an advantage. My car has a full frame so the plumbing could mainly be done before the body was on. That creates other challenges, but at least running lines was a little easier from that perspective.

[GM_muscle]

looking killer what the plan for paint color?

[68400BIRD]

looking killer what the plan for paint color?


2003 Corvette electron blue or 2004 corvette lemans blue. The color might be common for other years also.

[DYNODANNY]

Very cool build, I must feel good to do all the work yourself. Good work and keep at it.

[68400BIRD]

It's been almost a year since the car has been sitting on the ground. I bolted the wheels up that were on my 77 Camaro. I'm not sure if I'm going to go this route or not. The rear tires look a little wide. I think???
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07010-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07011-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07012-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC070131-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC070141-1.jpg
The rear tires at least do not stick out of the wheel wells. I know the car will come down an inch or two when all the weight is back on it. I also have the option of running a set of 15" Pontiac rally rims. I don't see having the money any time soon for a new set of fancy rims. Just not in the budget.

[68400BIRD]

Heres a couple of shots with the wheels on my last Camaro and one of the rally rims before the start of the resto.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC04530-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC04531-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC04528-1.jpg
Heres a shot of my old car just out of paint.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC05839-1.jpg
And heres the only pic I have of the rally rims. If I use these I would put a wider tire on them.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/06/DSC06758-1.jpg


Like I commented before, new rims are out of the budget for a long time. I can run the Weld pro stars with a smaller tire on the back. Or, sell the pro stars and buy all new tires,trim rings,center caps and lugs for the rallys. What do you think??

[rickpaw]

The rear tires do look wide. I like the look of the rally II better.

Did you get the front sway bar mounted?

[68400BIRD]

The rear tires do look wide. I like the look of the rally II better.

Did you get the front sway bar mounted?


I did everything I could last night just to set it back down on the ground. LOL I do not have any of the steering linkage in and the sway bar is just laying across the frame. I wanted some weight on the car before I bolted it up.

[68400BIRD]

The rear tires do look wide. I like the look of the rally II better.

Did you get the front sway bar mounted?


The more that I look at it I think both tires front and back look to big on this car. I think I will go with the Rally II's in 15" and some new rubber.

[Dalamar]

I like the wheel size!

[rickpaw]

I hope to have the car on all four wheels by the end of this month. The subframe is bolted up and I started running more of the ss gas and brake lines.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07008-1.jpg

A little trial fit of some rims and tires from my last car.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07009-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/02/DSC07007-1.jpg

I think the back tires are going to be to wide. I can either buy different tires or go back to the Rally II's.

Rob,
On those exhaust manifold, where did you get them, and did you have to get the oil adapter bracket to clear the pass side manifold?

[wmhjr]

To my knowledge, the best aftermarket cast manifolds for Pontiacs are from Ram Air Restorations. They've got all kinds including long branches, etc. Very good quality.

[gto406]

Like the Rally II's myself too!

Looking good, keep at it!

Cheers,
Brian
'72 GTO.

[68400BIRD]

Tu, I bought the ram air manifolds from Classic Industries and bought the oil filter extension along with it. I still have the stock manifolds on the car, thats what you are seeing in the pictures.

[68400BIRD]

Like the Rally II's myself too!

Looking good, keep at it!

Cheers,
Brian
'72 GTO.

Thanks, still undecided on what rims I want to go with. I like the looks of the Welds better and when these tires wear out I might go a little smaller or sell all of them and get into a 16-17" rim.

[68400BIRD]

I had a chance to get some more work done on the car over the last two evenings. I wanted to install the front sway bar but with having a larger size bar comes a larger mounting bracket. There was no way I could use my old holes that are threaded into the frame. I bolted up the end links and got them set close to 90 degrees. I then marked the new holes and drilled out 3/8 size holes in the frame. I then welded a tab onto the tops of the grade eight bolts so it would have a stop on it which would lock up against the inside of the subframe. I also drilled,tapped, and inserted a grease zerk into the bushing.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/DSC07019-1.jpg

Heres a picture with it all bolted into place. I don't think this will pull out of the frame. It only took one picture of the damage than can happen when a sway bar rips the threads out of the frame to make me do this upgrade.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/DSC07020-1.jpg
I also had a chance to start getting my axles ready to be bolted back in.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/03/DSC07021-1.jpg
The ball joint tool makes installing the wheel studs pretty easy.

[Dons67]

what direction are you going with paint? -- I have a 67 camaro that i like to look like it could have been factory so i would lean towards the rally's -- I went with 255/60R15 in back and 215/65R15 upfront - I think they sit nice on the car and fill the wheel wells

[68400BIRD]

what direction are you going with paint? -- I have a 67 camaro that i like to look like it could have been factory so i would lean towards the rally's -- I went with 255/60R15 in back and 215/65R15 upfront - I think they sit nice on the car and fill the wheel wells


I'm thinking about going with electron or lemans blue which I found on 2003 and 2004 Corvettes. I know the Lemans blue is a popular color but I have not seen it to much on the older Firebirds.
I'm going to keep the Welds on the car for now. The rims and tires are new and I would like to get some use out of them. I will also hold onto the Rally's and when I can afford it I will buy all new caps,rings,lugnuts, and tires.

[rickpaw]

How's the project going? Any new updates. Thought I'd give the thread a bump to the top.:)

[John Wright]

How's the project going? Any new updates. Thought I'd give the thread a bump to the top.:)+1 another bump to the Top

[68400BIRD]

Nothing new over here. Yard work, sick kids, honey to do list, and getting the boat ready for launching are taking up all of my spare time. I hope to be working on it again by the end of the month.

[68400BIRD]

Not much to update. I had to order new rear calipers for my car. The new calipers are a little bigger in size. With that being said my 15" rims no longer fit. Good news-bad news. LOL Bad news I have to buy new rims and tires. Goon news I get to buy some 17-18" rims and tires with correct offsets. Still looking for options. I'm on a tight budget so I would like to stay under or close to $1,500.00 for tires and rims. I would like a rim with more of a 60-70"s vintage look. Most of the rims out there just would not look right on my car. If anybody has any ideas let me know. So far I'm looking at the Billet Spec. Rally rims, American racing V500's and maybe Hopsters.

[rickpaw]

Not much to update. I had to order new rear calipers for my car. The new calipers are a little bigger in size. With that being said my 15" rims no longer fit. Good news-bad news. LOL Bad news I have to buy new rims and tires. Goon news I get to buy some 17-18" rims and tires with correct offsets. Still looking for options. I'm on a tight budget so I would like to stay under or close to $1,500.00 for tires and rims. I would like a rim with more of a 60-70"s vintage look. Most of the rims out there just would not look right on my car. If anybody has any ideas let me know. So far I'm looking at the Billet Spec. Rally rims, American racing V500's and maybe Hopsters.

What kind of rear brake kit are you using?

[68400BIRD]

What kind of rear brake kit are you using?


Big brake kit from CPP. The 15" rims almost fit. It was real close. I could have used a spacer but I would rather get rims that fit the car better.

[68400BIRD]

Hope to start working on the car again. I ordered a set of American racing T71R rims with Nitto 555's. I also had my ram air manifolds coated in a high heat ceramic coating. Hope to get the rims yet this week. Family is out of town at the end of the month so I hope to have a lot of car time to myself.

[BirdsThaWord]

Congrats on the new parts! Bet you can't wait to get them installed. I looked up those wheels and I love them! Definitely sticks with the old school but new school theme.

[68400BIRD]

Yea, I can't wait to start working on it again. I have another car that I'm working on for a friend. When that's finished I can have my garage back. Just checked the tracking number and my wheels should be here today. WooHoo

[John Wright]

post up the pics when they arrive....inquiring minds want to know....LOL

[68400BIRD]

post up the pics when they arrive....inquiring minds want to know....LOL


The rims did not fit the car correctly so I had to sell them. I mounted one of the front tires on the back to see if that would work. The sizes were 275-45-17 and 235-45-17. I took some pictures on how they fit on the car but all of the shots are from behind or showing how the tire was going to go into the wheel lip.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07044-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07039-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

I did get a chance to get the Pypes exhaust bolted in. It's not finished yet but is close. I also put in my PTFBODY sub frame connectors. The connectors tuck to the floor pretty tight along with the exhaust.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07061-1.jpg

I had a chance to get the steering linkage in. I also updated the steering gear box.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07055-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07054-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07058-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07056-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

I had my long branch manifolds ceramic coated. The pictures don't show them very well but they were the best shots I could get.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07059-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/09/DSC07060-1.jpg

[John Wright]

Man, that bird is looking good.

[68400BIRD]

Thanks John. I hope to have a lot of progress pictures to post this fall and into the winter.

[rickpaw]

Looking really good. I seem to have the same problem with the rear wheels as well. Driver side tucks in real nice, but the pass side may hit the lip.

[bryster]

Bummer about the fire on the 77....Good luck with this one...

[rickpaw]

Hi Rob,
How do you like the sub frame connectors? Any problem installing them? What kind of mufflers do you have on your exhaust?

I'm looking into purchase another set of subframe connectors. I have Competition Engr connectors, and they did not install real well. There is a 1/4 gap between the connectors and the rear sub frames.

[68400BIRD]

Tu,
The sub frame connectors fit great. I bought them from protouringfbody. You can either weld or bolt them in. I chose to bolt them in for right now. I bought the complete pypes exhaust system. I think the mufflers are the violators series.

[68400BIRD]

Have some new pictures with the car back down on the ground.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07139-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07140-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07141-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07142-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07144-1.jpg
I still need to order the PMD center caps and black center lugnuts.

[John Wright]

Put the seat and steering wheel back in there and go for a ride....LOL

[rickpaw]

Looks good Rob. Can't wait to see it fired up. I'm planning to drop the engine/tranny into mine Thanksgiving weekend.

[ponjohn]

I just read this entire thread.

Real nice work.....kudos for doing it yourself.

How did you cut the old floor out so cleanly?
What rims did you end up using, I like them better than the factory rally IIs.

[68400BIRD]

I just read this entire thread.

Real nice work.....kudos for doing it yourself.

How did you cut the old floor out so cleanly? I used a sawzall,spot weld drill bits and a lot of grinding pads. It took the better portion of a week using all of my evenings after the family was all asleep.
What rims did you end up using, I went with American Racing 500's you can get custom back spacing also. I plan on making the PMD caps work to. Just have not bought them yet.


I like them better than the factory rally IIs. Thanks

[68400BIRD]

Next on my list was to get the upper and lower dash painted in a low gloss black. I also painted the rear shelf and some other interior parts.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07145-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07146-1.jpg
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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07149-1.jpg

[ModernMuseum]

looking good! What dash is that?

[Motown 454]

Nice progress it loos great.

[LeighP]

Nice work mate....I got one of my AR500's out of the box the other day and tried it on the front on my 71 to check clearances with the Wilwoods and 12" rotors.....work nice...they are a cool wheel!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[CliffS]

awesome wheels!

[68400BIRD]

I bought it from a member here last fall. It is an OER dash from Classic Industries. I had to do a lot of work to make it fit correctly.

[68400BIRD]

looking good! What dash is that?

I bought it from a member here last fall. It is an OER dash from Classic Industries. I had to do a lot of work to make it fit correctly.

[68400BIRD]

Nice work mate....I got one of my AR500's out of the box the other day and tried it on the front on my 71 to check clearances with the Wilwoods and 12" rotors.....work nice...they are a cool wheel!
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

I see your wheels arrived. I still do not have the PMD center caps. When I buy some I will figure out a centering spacer and give you a PM.

[truckshop1999]

glad to see someone building a non-camaro!! the firebirds are so overlooked! Way to spend quality time with the kids (im building a 73 Charger with my son after having built many camaro's)

[68400BIRD]

WOW it's been a long time since I had any updates. So here goes.
It was time to get the doors in primer. I knew that the passenger door needed a little work. I could tell that there was some past bodywork along with a little rust. The drivers door was in near perfect condition. I of course picked one of the coldest days to do the sand blasting. I welded in a new patch panel and welded up all of the dent puller holes from the PO.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07168-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07167-1.jpg
Doors all welded up and ready for primer.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07166-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

Next in line were the door internals. I started with the door latches. They were quite dirty. The passenger side door did not always open correctly either. After cleaning them I noticed a missing spring.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07186-1.jpg
All cleaned up.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07188-1.jpg
I made the spring on the left out of a throttle return spring. Works great.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07187-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

The door hinges needed new pins,bushings, and detents.
I found it very odd that some of the original bushings were made of plastic.
This is whats left of the hardware.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07191-1.jpg
I have three of the hings put back together, I need to buy two more bushings. The kit came with two oversize bushings which I did not need. Off to the HELP section, $5.49 later and I have eight more bushings which of only two are the correct size. I will need to pull them all back apart and sandblast and paint.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07192-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

The steering column needed a new turn signal switch along with a lower bearing. The lower 68 non tilt bearing is not avaiable. I used a 69 non tilt bearing and just reamed out the original plastic housing with a sanding drum on my dremel. Was a very easy fix. I also have a good friend who started doing powder coating so I dropped off a load of parts starting with the steering column.
This is what I started with.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07172-1.jpg
New turn signal switch.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07180-1.jpg
New 69 lower bearing.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07183-1.jpg
Nice clean powder coated parts.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07179-1.jpg
All put back together.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/DSC07185-1.jpg

[rickpaw]

Looking great Rob. I've been slowly working on my 67 as well. Hopefully will have some updates on my build soon.

[68400BIRD]

Looking great Rob. I've been slowly working on my 67 as well. Hopefully will have some updates on my build soon.

Good to hear, looking forward to some new updates with a lot of pictures. The nice weather is giving me a little kick start to get back on the project.

[srh3trinity]

Those wheels look great. I have been interested in seeing them on a car since they came out. I thought the spokes were a little too thin for a Pontiac, but the more I look at them, they look right. I will have to follow along with your build.

[68400BIRD]

Thanks Stephen. The PMD center caps will also work and they look great. A friend borrowed me one for a trial fit. I should have taken a picture. I figure the black PMD center caps along with the black dot lug nuts will make it even look more period correct.

[redzula]

I love restoring parts rather than just replacing them nice wirk on the doors

those wheels are killer too good work

[68400BIRD]

Thanks for the compliments. I would rather spend a few hours cleaning and fixing old parts. I know it would be easier to just buy new parts but they don't always fit and work correctly. Plus, they cost a lot of money which I do not have right now. LOL

[rickpaw]

Rob,
Any tips on installing the Pypes exhaust? I figured I'll be ready for the exhaust install in a couple of weeks. Did you install it from the tail pipe and work forward?
Tu

[rickpaw]

Rob,
Here are some shots of the original dash wiring in my 67 before I gutted it.

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Here are some shots of the new wiring going in under the dash.

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I'll take some more and post it up here of the finish wiring. Hope this helps.

Tu

[rickpaw]

Here are some more pictures of the finished wiring

Wiring at the glove box. The wiring for the factory heater box won't be used, since I have the V/A unit. In the glove box I have the controller for the fan, and relays for the A/C

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

The wiring for the tail panel runs along and on top of the driver side rocker, over the wheel well to the rear. The big red wire is for the amps.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Hope this helps Rob.

[68400BIRD]

I wasn't sure what to do with the gas tank. I didn't really like the look of the galvanized metal. I had some 2006 Pontiac silver paint laying around from another project so I decided to paint it silver. I had the straps powder coated black.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07198-1.jpg
Rear shot. Installed
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07238-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

I had a slight problem getting a oil filter on the car. Along with the Pontiac long branch manifolds comes a spacer that angles your oil filter back and away from the manifold. What I did not know is that there is two different styles of housings. Of course I had the wrong one. The incorrect one is painted blue.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07217-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07218-1.jpg
Here is the correct one showing the part number.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07219-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

My parking brake assembly needed some attention. After a quick sandblast I gave it a few light coats of paint. Attached a few new parts, looks a lot nicer now.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07222-1.jpg
After.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07224-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07225-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

Installed the steering column,brake pedal,gas pedal, and started on the wiring.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07235-1.jpg
New fan and belts. Nothing exciting but getting closer to starting it up.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07234-1.jpg
New Lokar throttle cable and bracket. Along with the correct fuel inlet for my carb.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07232-1.jpg
New Taylor wires.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07232-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

Some random shots out in the driveway.
I also made brackets for mounting my Scat proCar rally seats. First time since owning the car that it has had two front seats in it.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07231-1.jpg
My kids trying to take it for a spin with out asking.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/04/DSC07226-1.jpg

[rohrt]

NICE!

How do you like the seats?

[68400BIRD]

NICE!

How do you like the seats?

The seats are really comfortable. Seem to hold you in pretty tight while making vroom vroom noises.

[rickpaw]

Looking great Rob. When are you going to fire that puppy up.:) BTW, did you get the parking brake and fuse block issue sorted out? I also found out that the parking brake assembly interferes with my 4-way electronic flasher unit, so I had to mount the flasher away from the fuse block.

tu

[1tuff68]

I just read through this entire thread and I am very impressed! You do great work. Can't wait to see the finished product. Keep the updates coming!

[68400BIRD]

Looking great Rob. When are you going to fire that puppy up.:) BTW, did you get the parking brake and fuse block issue sorted out? I also found out that the parking brake assembly interferes with my 4-way electronic flasher unit, so I had to mount the flasher away from the fuse block.

tu

Tu, no I have not had a chance to look at it again. I will try to move the fuse block over a little. I don't think there is much wiggle room but I will give it a try.

[68400BIRD]

I just read through this entire thread and I am very impressed! You do great work. Can't wait to see the finished product. Keep the updates coming!

Thanks, that must have been a lot of reading. I can't wait to see it completed either.

[BirdsThaWord]

Any progress?

[John Wright]

The seats are really comfortable. Seem to hold you in pretty tight while making vroom vroom noises.

LOL...car is looking good Rob...keep up the good work. Cute lil helpers you have there.

[68400BIRD]

Any progress?

Not much. I did get the doors back on and the trunk lid mounted to just get it out of the way. I had some more parts powdercoated by a good friend. I will try to post some pics of them real soon.

[68400BIRD]

LOL...car is looking good Rob...keep up the good work. Cute lil helpers you have there.

Thanks John. Nice to see you lurking again. LOL

[John Wright]

Hey Rob...there's a rebar bending party this afternoon. <woot>

[68400BIRD]

Hey Rob...there's a rebar bending party this afternoon. <woot>

Woot Woot for you. At least there will be a floor. Where are the pics????

[BirdsThaWord]

Not much. I did get the doors back on and the trunk lid mounted to just get it out of the way. I had some more parts powdercoated by a good friend. I try to post some pics of them real soon.
Cool! I know you are anxious. I'm with you, but have farther to go than you. Happy building and I'll be keeping an eye on yer project. Lookin great so far!!!

[68400BIRD]

Not a lot of updates lately to post. But, I did find a set of the New Vintage gauges that I wanted. They are the 3-1 69 model gauges. I'm pretty excited to get them wired in.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07259-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07262-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07261-1.jpg
I'm glad that I didn't spend the time and energy to buy and install a speedo cable.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07260-1.jpg

[SamHatco]

Not a lot of updates lately to post. But, I did find a set of the New Vintage gauges that I wanted. They are the 3-1 69 model gauges. I'm pretty excited to get them wired in.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07259-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07262-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07261-1.jpg
I'm glad that I didn't spend the time and energy to buy and install a speedo cable.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07260-1.jpg

Very nice gauges. The will look sharp in that interior.

Sam

[robertjra]

Heres a few quick pics of what will happen to a car in a very hot fire.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/06/DSC06752-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/06/DSC06753-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/06/DSC06754-1.jpg

i don't think that's the right way to strip a car how you came out even. sorry to see this

[John Wright]

ouch Rob, that hurts to see every time it gets re-posted.....dangit.

New ride is looking good brother....guages in yet?...LOL(you posted pics yesterday, figured they were in by now....LOL)

[68400BIRD]

Not in yet. LOL The boat is still in the driveway and that takes priority over everything. Just ask my family. It doesn't help any that it takes up the whole driveway either. Still waiting on pics of your shop.

[John Wright]

Still waiting on pics of your shop.Hey Rob...good news, been too busy to take any pics(seriously)....I've had some help for the past few days. I hired a welder from work to help me in the evenings and we work til it's too dark to see, and we've finished building all 34 of the concrete forms lastnight(gotta put plywood on the last two got too dark to see)...going to finish bending rebar cages tonight...and depending on when the rain is supposed to hit our area....I may even get the forms set at elevation before too long. I have to get my permit renewed, so that means another day off from work to go to the county seat to pay them some more money and then get the inspector over to OK the forms before pouring.

[68400BIRD]

Small updates. I did a quick mock-up uf the gauges in the stock bezel. The bezel needs to be cleaned and painted yet.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07264-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07263-1.jpg

My new goal for the car is to try and get something done each day. No matter how small it might be. Feel free to pester me if you do not see it happening.:hammer: Thursday 6-23-2011 I ordered trunk spatter paint and the clear top coat. Friday 6-24-2011 I installed the trunk drain plugs and seam sealed them along with the trunk drop offs. Saturday morning I made more brackets to help hold the gauges better in the stock bezel. Sunday I did not do anything. But, after being out on the lake for the whole weekend I picked up the mail and my new soderless connections for wiring up my gauges were in the mail. I'll count that as my project for Sunday. LOL

[68400BIRD]

6-27 Started the clean up of the trunk area. Taped everything off,light scuff and on to spatter paint. Here are a couple of before pictures.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07265-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07266-1.jpg
After pictures. I still need to lay down the satin clear topcoat.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07267-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07268-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/06/DSC07269-1.jpg

[LeighP]

Trunk looks great.....I'm leaving mine till after I get the car painted, but I hope it turns out as nice as this.

[geberhard]

What did you use for the spatter pain? Came out great!

[68400BIRD]

I used Dupli-Color black/gray with their top coat clear coat.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SHW-DM102/
I had a hard time getting the clear to not look foggy or dry looking. The over spray would just hang in the trunk area and leave a dry look. I ended up giving a the whole trunk one caot of satin clear that I had in a can. I used a brush to apply it and it turned out fine with no brush marks. It is a little more semi gloss than satin but I'm ok with how it looks.

[68400BIRD]

The guages are all wired. I gave AAW a call and they sent me a handful of connectors so I could wire my guage harness right into their bulk head.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC072741-1.jpg
Wiring is almost complete.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC072731-1.jpg
I sanded down the bezel and sprayed it with some satin black plastic paint.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC072761-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC072771-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

Next up were the tail lights. This is what I started with.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07279-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07281-1.jpg
Started with getting the tail light housings powdercoated in gloss silver.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07282-1.jpg
Polished the lenses with a buffing wheel and 3M compound.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07280-1.jpg
Sanded down and reapinted the areas around the tail lights.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07283-1.jpg
Installed in the housings.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07284-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

I started on trying to finish up on all the lines that were still missing on the engine and transmission. Mocked up a few lines so I knew what to order and how long the lines needed to be. I also added a new Holley fuel pump for a little more fuel pressure than the stock unit.


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07292-1.jpg
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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07293-1.jpg

New fuel lines.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07295-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07296-1.jpg
New transmission lines and vacuum line.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07289-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07290-1.jpg
Power steering line return line has been made and installed but no pictures.

[68400BIRD]

Installed the parking brake assembly and front parking brake line. The parking brake switch was hitting the AAW fuse box. I had to grind a small block off of the fuse panel to make clearance for the switch to work properly.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07288-1.jpg

I replaced the rear axles a few months ago. I knew the seals and bearings also needed to be changed. I had bought a bearing removal kit a few years ago so removing the bearings was real simple.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07300-1.jpg
New seals and bearings.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07299-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/DSC07297-1.jpg

[irregal83]

Car looks great! i Know its hard to do something on the car everyday. I normally have 1 or 2 days a week where i have a couple hours i can work on my car. but hey at least i get to!

[68400BIRD]

Thanks, I get about the same amount of time over here to work on my car. I tried to get something done everyday but that only lasted for a few weeks. Going out to work on the car after the kids go to bed (9:00) is just getting a little to late to start on projects. Like you mentioned I try to get a few hours in here and there.

[LeighP]

Nice work...I have to mock up some lines in the engine bay as well...trans cooler etc.
I like that bearing puller...haven't seen that type before....something else to add to the tool collection when I see one.

[68400BIRD]

Just like any other project on this car the rear seats needed to be replaced. I started out with removing all of the hog rings holding the old mouse poop infested interior on. I spent the better portion of two weeks with my limited spare time removing all of the old hog rings. I had to wear a mask because of the old mouse hotel that was now vacant. After removing all of the old interior I was down to the frames.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07312-1.jpg

Again, there is never a easy project on this car. I had to replace parts of the frame where it was rusted from I assume mouse pee.
Here's just a little of the metal that I cut out and had to weld back in.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07314-1.jpg

One corner that I fixed.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07313-1.jpg

I spent about five hours wire wheeling everything down.
The botttom frame had to have a coat of por15 applied to the frame. The rest of the frames received two coats of a rust preventive paint and then two coats of black hammered paint.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07315-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07317-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07316-1.jpg
They are now dropped off for the new covers which will match my front Scat seats.

[68400BIRD]

I bought the rear cover to match the front Scat seats.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07326-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

Next, I started on all of the front and rear bumper brackets along with all of the front end brackets. I spent about a month of my spare time fixing and sandblasting all of the brackets. Almost every bracket had something wrong with it. They were either bent, missing welded on nuts, stress cracks, or just missing all together.
I spent several hours alone just getting thses straight.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07343-1.jpg
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All fixed now they just need to be blasted.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07346-1.jpg
Someone thought it would be a great idea to torch out bigger holes to make things fit instead of fixing it the correct way.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07350-1.jpg
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All fixed.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07352-1.jpg
Stacked on top of each other, checking to make sure everything lines up correctly.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07353-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

Dropped all of the parts off at a friends house for powder coating.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07357-1.jpg
Front bumper brackets.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07366-1.jpg
Rear bumper brackets.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07367-1.jpg
Headlight buckets.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07368-1.jpg
Interior.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07358-1.jpg
Windshield wiper linkage.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07369-1.jpg
Seat tracks.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07359-1.jpg

[E.rodz]

Rob. what happened to the concept of getting something done everyday?seams how you should be alot further by now.just kidding buddy! glad to see you are still moving forward.it should be ready to roll by summer!

[68400BIRD]

Next on the list was to fix my shifter problem. I had a two speed floor shifter but wanted a three speed floor shifter with the ratcheting option. To my surprise it seems all late 60's to early 80's shifters are built off of the same base with just different mounting points to the floor. Along with that I think mine was the only year with the neutral safety switch on the floor shifter. I had twelve spot welds to drill out, six per shifter. There is already an alignment pin to help line up the brackets when you go to change them over.
Here's a picture with both the front and rear brackets removed.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07375-1.jpg
These are the brackets removed from my old shifter that I will weld back onto my new shifter.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07371-1.jpg
Getting ready to weld the rear bracket back on, if you look closely you can also see the monting holes for the neutral safety switch.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07372-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07373-1.jpg
Brackets all welded on and finished.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07378-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07379-1.jpg
I wanted a stock looking shifter but also wanted a shifter that would not go from 1st to neutral with one push.

[68400BIRD]

Next I spent a few hours and hand buffed out the inside of the cowl and mounted my windshield wiper arms. I had to drill out all four broken mounting screws before I had it powder coated. I replaced them with four short stainless steel screws. I'm not sure why but both wiper arm mounting points had a small plastic sleeve under them. They were in bad shape and they had to be removed to coat them. I had some shrink tubing with the glue inside of it laying around that I was not using so I cut two of them out and used a heat gun to put them on.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07376-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07377-1.jpg

[68400BIRD]

Rob. what happened to the concept of getting something done everyday?seams how you should be alot further by now.just kidding buddy! glad to see you are still moving forward.it should be ready to roll by summer!

LOL, I'm not sure what happened. It was a novel idea and it worked for a while. I guess life and low funds got in the way. Then it got to be so long since I had worked on it that I had know idea where to start. So, I just didn't do anything. I had to kick myself in the but to get started again. I will try and keep little projects moving along. I have a couple of problems that are holding me up that I'm not sure how I want to address them.

[68400BIRD]

I plan on making adapters to mount the PMD center caps to keep them centered and add blackcenter lugnuts.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/DSC07383-1.jpg
Looks close to original with a 17" rim.

[TheBandit]

Have some new pictures with the car back down on the ground.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/11/DSC07139-1.jpg

Really like those wheels. To confirm, those are American Racing AR-500 (also now listed as VN500)? What sizes and backspacing wheels and tires did you end up with?

How do the center caps attach?

[68400BIRD]

Yes they are the VN500 rims.
The rim sizes are 17x7 4.25BS and 17x8 5.25BS 5x4.75
Tires are Nitto 555's 235x45 and 255x45

The PMD center caps are made to attach to a original pmd rim. They are the non theft type which have a threaded stud,fender washer, and nylonlock nut. The stud is a little to short and there is nothing to keep them centered on the face of the VN500 rim. I plan on running a longer stud and making some plastic washers with a shoulder that will fit into the face of the rim to keep everything centered.

[LeighP]

Nice job....love those wheels, was originally going to run them on my 71 before I shifted to the 17" Honeycombs.
Your car is looking real good!

[rickpaw]

Rob, car is looking better than new. I just cleaned up and rattled can the small parts on my 67, and your powder coated parts turned out ALOT better. Wish I had gone the same route.