First gen Firebird owners- Which hood to reproduce in Carbon?

[TitoJones]

Alright guys-

You asked, we listened. We are trying to figure out which hood is the most sought after hood for the 67-69 Firebirds. Please post up if you would like to see one of these made for your car and vote on which one to make. Options are:

Flat
400
T/A
Custom

Price point might be slightly higher than the Camaro hood only because of the larger size and the fact you don't have a header panel. We are looking into doing a cowl panel as well, and as you know, the rear deck lid will transfer over from the camaro.

2nd gen guys- We didn't forget you. thanks to Ty Ingle we have the lower front valance, nose, hood, and tail panel for the 70-73 getting ready to be tooled up.

Tyler

[ProdigyCustoms]

Trans Am is what I voted for, but I must say a Firebird hood with a stinger scoop is pretty sexy! but I find the Firebird guy less likely then Camaro guys to step out of the box.

As for price point, Firebird guys are used to paying more for everything.

[dhutton]

My vote is for the T/A hood, it seems to be the one most used for pro-touring builds. It would also be great if someone came up with scoop inserts that actually fit. The current fiberglass ones don't fit in the fiberglass hoods sold by The Parts Place. I'm guessing they don't fit in the metal reproduction hood either.

[f1shman]

I voted towards custom, but any offerings from Anvil will certainly be a welcome addition in my book! There really isn't much out there for firebird hoods at the moment. Most fiberglass companies only offer the massive by huge drag scoop hoods alongside the meager stock offerings. If you want anything else, you have to pay more for a custom job or build it yourself.

I have a custom made 2" cowl hood from VFN on my bird at the moment, but I will be watching with great interest to see what you guys can come up with. :cool:

[67bird]

I think whatever gets made it needs more clearance. maybe a 2" rise in the center. Might try posting this over at the PY forums as well. I think if you do a search over there you will find Pontiac guys are willing to spend the money, but we are tired of getting second rate parts (i.e. repro body parts)

[68Formula]

I prefer the 400 hood over the Trans Am.

I also considered having a Stingray scoop mounted to a stock flat hood. I thought it was pretty original, but I actually found someone else who already did it, and it looked very good.

If you do go 400, consider this:

http://www.spottsperformance.com/body.htm

Although if it's much more than a Camaro hood, I doubt you'll get much interest.
We're not going to pay more for everything.

[chickn]

My vote is custom. I currently have a 5" cowl hood on my 69 firebird and it looks giant. I like the look of the cowl hood but I think if it was 2 or 3 inch high it would be perfect. Don't laugh but think a L-88 style hood would look nice on a 69 firebird.

[b-man]

The 400 hoods are still fairly easy to get, are already repoped in steel and are also available in a taller fiberglass version (Super 400).

Go with the Trans Am hood. Just about the baddest-looking hood on the planet in my opinion, with scoops located where they will actually provide Ram Air.

Without question the '69 T/A hood is the most sought-after 1st-gen Firebird hood.

[69TAPoser]

I voted Trans Am. What time frame are you working on?

I have a fiberglass T/A hood and am hoping I will be ready for paint this Fall. The fiberglass hood will require lots of work, so a Carbon Fiber option may be attractive especially with the silver body color of my car.

Also add a T/A rear spoiler and I would definitely be sold!

Phil

[68Formula]

My vote is custom. I currently have a 5" cowl hood on my 69 firebird and it looks giant. I like the look of the cowl hood but I think if it was 2 or 3 inch high it would be perfect. Don't laugh but think a L-88 style hood would look nice on a 69 firebird.


Agreed, I've seen some nice hoods that are basically a raised center portion to act as a cowl induction.

The Orts hood looks good, but the one where it looks like a cowl induction slapped onto a flat hood looks like cr@p.

http://www.vfnfiberglass.com/site.htm

Only problem with the Ort's is, it's way too high. About 2 to 3 inches would do it.

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

WS6 style T/A hood.

[b-man]

WS6 style T/A hood.Like this one on my 2002 4th-gen WS6? The scoop placement and overall shape looks a lot like the '69 T/A hood.

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[jonnyc]

i voted for the t/a hood but if you could do something like the l88 hood,i'd be interested in that.
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[MuscleRodz]

t/a hood is my vote as well. I plan to use one in my upcoming t/a build so another option would be nice

[LONE*STAR]

I voted for TA but anything is better than one of those 6in plus clow hoods. I have a 400 firebird stock hood, with working vents in the hood.

[CliffS]

T/A for sure. On a '68 bird:

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[67 455 Bird ragtop]

i voted for the t/a hood but if you could do something like the l88 hood,i'd be interested in that.
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I've seen this done before but forgot about it. It actually looks pretty kewl ...

[68Formula]

I've seen this done before but forgot about it. It actually looks pretty kewl ...

That's a Stinger hood. The stock Bird hood has the raised center a little wider, but looks good and works well with the factory Stinger scoop.

[MrQuick]

I voted for a TA style hood.

But you know I'd like to see a TA style but a little raise that contiues into a low cowl induction. Much like the 4gen style bulge.

[Doug G]

Just to get you a slightly closer look at the Stinger hood (although on a 68 Camaro).
I think if you could section the rear portion and kill two birds with one stone, something different and more room under hood ?

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[67bird]

I second 69TAPoser on the TA style wing, but you have to do 67-68 as well.

[Roger M]

Back in the early 80s, I had a 68 Firebird with a teardrop scoop from a 78 z/28 molded into it. It might not sound like a great combo, but it actually looked great(like it even belonged on it). Some of the Local purists scoffed at it, buthey, it was cool in the day.

[Tom Welch]

A functional T/A hood gets my vote. The key being functional. However, any first gen Firebird parts will be awesome.

[TitoJones]

So it looks like the T/A hood wins the poll.

Now comes the million dollar question-

Who has one that fits great, is factory and would be willing to part with it for a free carbon version? We will entertain the idea of purchasing one if we have to as well.

Tyler

[68Formula]

So it looks like the T/A hood wins the poll.

Now comes the million dollar question-

Who has one that fits great, is factory and would be willing to part with it for a free carbon version? We will entertain the idea of purchasing one if we have to as well.

Tyler

Only 697 vehicles ever produced, your chances are much better trying to win that million dollars.

[speedster]

Alright guys-

You asked, we listened. We are trying to figure out which hood is the most sought after hood for the 67-69 Firebirds. Please post up if you would like to see one of these made for your car and vote on which one to make. Options are:

Flat
400
T/A
Custom

Price point might be slightly higher than the Camaro hood only because of the larger size and the fact you don't have a header panel. We are looking into doing a cowl panel as well, and as you know, the rear deck lid will transfer over from the camaro.

2nd gen guys- We didn't forget you. thanks to Ty Ingle we have the lower front valance, nose, hood, and tail panel for the 70-73 getting ready to be tooled up.

Tyler

Tyler -

I have a CF hood and cowl based on a Super 400 hood. It gives an additional 1 - 1/2 " of clearance which was required.

If you guys ever decide you would like to do a custom CF front end for a Firebird, I have one and had a full up mold already built if you are interested. The "bumper" and the lower valence are one integrated piece. Strong, light and functional.

[John Haley]

I have my original 69 Trans Am hood on a table and ready to pull a mold. I should have a mold within 1-2 weeks.

Here is a link to a thread where I posted some pics of a carbon fiber 69 Trans Am side air extractor, that we just made up as a quickie.

http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=591863

[Jagarang]

As for price point, Firebird guys are used to paying more for everything.

:hammer::hammer::hammer::hammer:

[TitoJones]

I have my original 69 Trans Am hood on a table and ready to pull a mold. I should have a mold within 1-2 weeks.

Here is a link to a thread where I posted some pics of a carbon fiber 69 Trans Am side air extractor, that we just made up as a quickie.

http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=591863

John-

Did you get a mold pulled from that hood? I know Matt doesn't want to have to be responsible for such a rare hood.
1-888-723-8882

Tyler

[Josh69]

Tito, you should work something out with John here in Mpls, I wonder if it'd be easier to just work with his mold, or fly in and take one yourself to your specs. As far as I'm aware, he's about the only guy with a real hood that has the guts to do this. The original hoods change hands for upwards of $15K and as some of us know, the Pontiac guys can get a little weird about modified parts.

Hell, hardly any of them will talk to me at the local shows...they sit there with their half-assed '67 GTO's and ignore me...but so it goes in this hobby.

[68Formula]

Will this be a bolt on hood, or pin on only?

[John Haley]

I am going to make the frame too and make them a bolt on to the hinges deal. I can make one that is pin on if you like.

I just perfected the scoop inserts for the hood. I had to get these right before I pulled a mold from the hood.

http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=591863&page=2

[all wired]

I am definitely interested in one of these hoods, but my issue is clearance... is this hood going to add any height in the center around the carb area?

[jonnyc]

how about adding functional heat extractors to the t/a hood?like the 99-02 firehawks have.

[John Haley]

I am definitely interested in one of these hoods, but my issue is clearance... is this hood going to add any height in the center around the carb area?

This hood will be the same as stock. I am thinking of making one that is raised 1" to 1 1/2" at the scoops and center and also do a raised cowl center to match for myself too.

[John Haley]

how about adding functional heat extractors to the t/a hood?like the 99-02 firehawks have.


These will be stock for now. I may do something custom for you in the future.

[chevnut55]

the 400 with 2 slightly larger mean scoops up front..would look nasty!

[Justintt]

I vote for what others have mentioned, a TA hood with a raised center and cowl panel to match (1.5-2" rise). Really need this extra space over the carb to allow us to run a victor intake with 1-2" carb spacer. You would likely need a little bigger front scoop inlet and inserts to allow for more air flow but wouldn't want too much as the original dimensions work really well together. You build this in CF and people will buy it! Me included

[a73formula]

Cliff S has it right. That hood that he's got on a 67-68 is the sexiest hood out. Makes me wanna start looking for a first gen.

[all wired]

Anything new on this???

[gtotto]

A custom hood........maybe something with a 2-3 inch bumped up induction with 400 style scoops placed on the outer edges of the raised portion.

[a73formula]

I have a friend with one of those in fiberglass on his 68 it came with a raised cowl piece also really sweet looking.

[idreamofthe60s]

You might want to ask him how many he sold in the last two years.

http://www.firebirdman.com/TAHood.htm

[John Haley]

:1st: After making lots of bad parts I can finally do it right.

Anybody ready to buy?

Call me 612-226-6115 John

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[68Formula]

Weight? Price? Is it stock or raised slightly? (kind of hard to tell).

[John Haley]

Stock shape and height. So far this one weighs 17lbs. I have not put a frame under it yet, then it might weigh 2-3lbs more. It is 2 layers of 6k carbon on top, Lantor Soric for a core and 2 layers of 3k carbon on the bottom. PRICE? Make me an offer.

[John Haley]

I made a new set of scoop inserts, with the larger 6k carbon to match the hood.
I laid up the frame today and should be pulling it from the mold tomorrow.


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[John Haley]

The frame laminated to the skin, aluminum bar stock laminated in the frame for the hinge mounts. The front latch catch area is 6 layers thick of 6k carbon, latch catches and locks solid, seems good to go, but I am going to put in a steel pin on each side for the lock to ride on.

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[Capown]

man that is unreal!! I really need to learn how to do stuff like this!


great work wish I had a firebird just for the hood.

[John Haley]

The Bottom half of spoiler and pedestals. The got the top half done late last night. I should have the top and bottom trimmed and bonded together later today.

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[Mr.VENGEANCE]

oooh you boys better jump on this guy...

[John Haley]

The wing ready for clear coat.


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[John Haley]

Side air extractors too!!


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[JRouche]

WoW John!! You are on a roll. I like your work. Cant afford it but seriously love the work. JR

[ProTour69Bird]

NO WAY, that stuff looks so good. nice work bruddah

wish i had the moneys, i just decided i want a t/a style, man that carbon looks so mean, and the air extractors......... hot damn.

prices comparable to fiberglass???

[John Haley]

I have the finals coats of clear done.
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Side scoops

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Studs are in the correct locations.

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[DRJDVM's '69]

How about some MOPAR stuff!!!! Alot of Mopar guys run fiberglass hoods....so the market is there for hoods other than steel etc....

[John Haley]

I will make anything you want, all it takes is money!


I have all the pieces done and on my car.

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It comes out of the mold with the beveled edges.

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The Spoiler.

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Fender Air extractors.

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Ebay link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190357961225


Thanks for letting me use your board for this project.

[Larry J. Jones]

In my opinion one of the best looking hoods for our first generation Firebird's is the 400 hood. The Super 400 fiberglass hood currently offered by Spotts Performance is a major improvement. I would love to have a carbon fiber version of that hood, or better yet one that would give an additional inch or so clearance beyond the 1.5 inch improvement the Super 400 provides. Thanks for the web site. Doc

[Zee]

I voted for the 400 hood as well. I have seen a 70-76 shaker set up on a 1st gen bird and like that the most. Obviously not "correct" but neither is CF in the first place. As a bonus, the shaker could be sold for the second gen guys without developing a new part.

The 69 T/A hood was probably a good call as you would have to buy the wing and fender extractors if you bought the hood. With the 400 hood, I could see a lot of guys stopping with that.

[garickman]

Nice work John

[Jeffrotech]

Ebay link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190357961225



"Bidding has ended on this item"

Did it sell?

Do you have a price for just the hood?

[John Haley]

$4000 for a hood.

[TitoJones]

Any interest in teaming up with us at Anvil Auto? We could help make that hood retail for a fraction of that cost. Let us know- 1-888-723-8882.

The parts came out great by the way.

Tyler

[T_Raven]

I voted but I guess I never posted. I'd be interested in a 400 hood. A front bumper and maybe even valance would be cool too.

[John Haley]

If I dropped my price to :idea: $2500 for a 69 T/A hood how many of you guys would be willing to buy in the next 2 months?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

be prepared to be ...assimilated.

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[icebird84]

nice
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[John Haley]

I can now sell these carbon fiber 69 Tram Am hoods ready to bolt on for $2500

[psy4s]

Very Nice Work!

[T_Raven]

Any word yet on what if any Anvil is going to make?

[T_Raven]

Oh yeah, and they should definitely make the 400 hood first. I don't like the TA hood and I have 3 First gens so my vote should count three times lol.

[68FBODY]

Oh yeah, and they should definitely make the 400 hood first. I don't like the TA hood and I have 3 First gens so my vote should count three times lol.

I would love a 400 hood in carbon, but if you guys decide other wise. How about just making the 400 scoops in carbon. Id be all over those :)

[68FBODY]

Looks like the passenger front is off quite a bit.

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[John Haley]

I have factory hood springs on the car in that pic. I now have lighter tension springs for a fiberglass hood, with these springs or no springs it is a perfect fit just like my steel hood.

Here is a fiberglass hood I made from the same mold.

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[Roadrage David]

Any news on the 400 Hood!!!................

[bdahlg68]

Must have CF hood! I don't even care which version it is! Part of me thinks it would be cool as a 350 style hood.

[John Haley]

Must have CF hood! I don't even care which version it is! Part of me thinks it would be cool as a 350 style hood.

Call me if you want one. 612-226-6115

[bdahlg68]

Call me if you want one. 612-226-6115

will do as soon as i'm ready for a hood (probably late this year (hopefully).

[CoorsBandit]

How about a carbon hood for us 77-81 T/A guys?

[CliffS]

Any interest in teaming up with us at Anvil Auto? We could help make that hood retail for a fraction of that cost. Let us know- 1-888-723-8882.

The parts came out great by the way.

Tyler

Any news on teaming up? Is Anvil planning on producing the 69 style hood?

[chuckd71]

Just saw page 3 of this thread, that is fantastic work. Spoiler looks great.

[Pzary3233]

Interested for sure on something that is more realistically priced!

[T_Raven]

Spoke to one of the guys from Anvil about a yr ago but haven't heard anything since. Anyone know if they are planning to make a 1st gen hood any time soon?

I know the Camaro market is much bigger but I'm willing to bet if companies start making mroe Firebird parts, more people would build them.

[John Haley]

Interested for sure on something that is more realistically priced!


What is more realistic to you?

I am at $2500 for a hood.

[ho428]

Nice work but I too would consider a 400 hood if it was:
A- Lighter
B- Cheaper

I'm more for function than bling. My $400 VFN glass Bolt on hood is only 22 lbs, why would I want a 20 lb carbon hood for $2500?
Get it to 10 lbs and $1000 and I'd be interested.

[Roadrage David]

Aczackly!!!!!!!!!!!. carbon is WAY overpriced.......... but i would buy a 8 lbs carbon first gen 400 PIN ON HOOD!!!!!! for 800 usd...

[firebirddady69]

400 hood would be nice!

[redfire69]

I think an 8lbs hood would be see through...LOL!

Nice looking parts John!

[Janusel]

What about a snap on hardtop for a 67-69 convertible?

[Janusel]

[QUOTE=John Haley;609787]I will make anything you want, all it takes is money!

What about a 67-69 bolt on hardtop for a convertible. Make winter driving more pleasent!!
I have all the pieces done and on my car.

[John Haley]

I am sure I can do it. Molding costs would be high. One piece bolt on hardtop? call me 612-226-6115

[John Haley]

Christmas in coming!!

[Tinindian6702]

What ball park are you talking about for mold costs??? Totally prohibitave???

[John Haley]

What ball park are you talking about for mold costs??? Totally prohibitave???

I would really need to see some pictures at least. I would like to see attachment at front and rear and the side detail of where the windows roll up to meet the top, is a ledge or lip needed to fasten a weatherstrip to. A mold would be $2000 - $3000 or make the mold yourself and get it to me.

[CHUCKIE]

I Would like to see a cowl hood!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

are yall really talking about this?.. they are not going to make anything for birds anytime soon.

hell even the dude who made this thread doesnt even WORK for them anymore!

even though I like Anvil parts you bird guys got a long way to go still..

[Buryingthesun]

are yall really talking about this?.. they are not going to make anything for birds anytime soon.

hell even the dude who made this thread doesnt even WORK for them anymore!

even though I like Anvil parts you bird guys got a long way to go still..

No love for the better looking car ;)

[Gil]

Made a Pshop years ago about that.
107873
Would be nice even in fiber with top layer carbon.
Gil

[68Formula]

https://anvilauto.com/products/fireb...1981/hood.html (https://anvilauto.com/products/firebird-and-trans-am/1967-1981/hood.html)

[Ssgabe12]

the 400 and TA hoods area nice! would be nice to see a front bumper option too. maybe even shortening the hood center point and front bumper center point would look killer!