Pro-Touring Harley, what model would you start with? [Archive]

ACEFOOTER

04-10-2009, 08:06 AM

I have been wanting a Harley for a few years now, but getting major crap from traditionalists on my idea of what I want. Just like my 68 Firebird, I want a motor I can build up, good handling when I want to push hard in the twisties and brakes that will keep me out of trouble. No I don't want a Japanese bike, no I don't want a BMW, and no I don't have any false expectaions. I'm not looking for long haul comfort, just a bike to ride some poker runs, head to the beach, lay some rubber in a long loud burnout, ya know, a Pro-Touring style Harley. What year/Model/motor you you start with?? Thanks for your input, Ace

cheapthrillz

04-10-2009, 08:13 AM

This always reminded me of pro-touring/streetfighter. I know its a sportster, so it probably wouldn't be very comfortable on a long haul, but it definitely looks the part.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/SportsterRattBike-1.jpg

ACEFOOTER

04-10-2009, 08:26 AM

I'm too tall for a sportster but I agree thats a good looking fighter!

Carburation vs fuel injection, 5sp vs 6sp?

hardline_42

04-10-2009, 08:57 AM

You might as well get a Buell and be most of the way there. Also, search for Harley cafe racer builds. Most are done on old ironhead sportsters with modern fork assemblies, brakes and shocks from sportbikes installed.

David Sloan

04-10-2009, 09:05 AM

This is what i went with, an its a blast!!

http://www.smartcycleshopper.com/motorcycle-reviews/the-harley-davidson-night-rod-special-review/article.aspx

MuscleRodz

04-10-2009, 09:48 AM

or go with a V-Rod

ACEFOOTER

04-10-2009, 09:49 AM

looked at the V-rods and the Buell but still not the Muscle style I want.

Evo vs Twin Cam vs Counterbalance motors?

Chad-1stGen

04-10-2009, 11:34 AM

I'm not looking for long haul comfort, just a bike to ride some poker runs, head to the beach, lay some rubber in a long loud burnout, ya know, a Pro-Touring style Harley.

Not to start a pro-touring debate but honestly your build description there sounds more like a chopper which I'd say is more akin to a pro-street car.

If you really want twisty handling and Sportsters and Buell's are out then I'd look at the Dyna. Personally, Softail variants are my favorite but they are not going to handle as good in the twisties. They don't have as good of a lean angle and the fork angles are also not designed for handeling. I still have fun in the twisties with my softail but if I really start pushing it I start dragging metal way before I run out of grip on the relatively skimpy rubber I have.

Dyna narrows your engine choice down to Evo vs Twin Cam (w/o counter balance). Unless things have changed a lot in the past few years only the softails came with the twin cam counter balance motors. Dyna's were still rubber mounted. For pure power the non balance motors are best anyways. I think the twincam motors are better potential than Evo unless you want to by an off the shelf screamer from companies like S&S. A few years back when I followed Harley's closer most of the big cube aftermarket motors were still based on Evo designs.

What is your budget? How much time do you really want to spend? Are you looking for a basket case to build up? You looking for something nice to just customize a bit? If going the basket case route you might consider building the bike from scratch with an aftermarket frame.

The possibilities are endless when it comes to custom Harley and Harley based bikes.

XLexusTech

04-10-2009, 11:41 AM

Harley beat you to it

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2009_Motorcycles/2009_Motorcycles.jsp?locale=en_US#/model/vrscdx

Damn True

04-10-2009, 12:06 PM

I've always been partial to the work of Russell Mitchell at Exile Cycles.

JayR

04-10-2009, 12:30 PM

This one is super raw and bad to the bone. If I were buying a two wheeler, this would be it. http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/07/18/wakan-1640-new-french-v-twin-motorcycle/comment-page-3/

6'9"Witha69

04-10-2009, 12:45 PM

I am still partial to Buell. Seriously. They HANDLE, have a comfortable ride, comfortable seating angle and while not really fast on the top end (versus a crotch rocket) they are torquey. Raelly fun to ride. The models have become more complicated over the last few years (it seems to me anyway) but they are great out of the box and have serious mod potential.

progoat

04-10-2009, 01:00 PM

I have a buell now for sale for my 65' build and its a blast to ride but if your not into them thats cool. If I were you I'd buy a NightTrain I Bought one brand new in 2000 and kinda wish I still had it!

andrewb70

04-10-2009, 01:07 PM

http://www.streetfighter.ducati.com/jspstreetfighter/action.jsp

Andrew

6'9"Witha69

04-10-2009, 01:09 PM

Also, a fun one is a MotoGuzzi. Probably not your taste if your not looking for a Bimmer style bike, but man they can fun too!

Chad-1stGen

04-10-2009, 01:30 PM

This one is super raw and bad to the bone. If I were buying a two wheeler, this would be it. http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/07/18/wakan-1640-new-french-v-twin-motorcycle/comment-page-3/

Except for the price tag that thing looks sweet!

class67

04-10-2009, 01:33 PM

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Tony_SS

04-10-2009, 01:44 PM

Here's my old Ducati Monster:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/07d-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/ecd-1.jpg

PT Sportwagon

04-10-2009, 01:49 PM

Look into a 96" twin cam they are super smooth running. I just picked up a 08 96" twin cam Fatboy. You can barely feel it run, and rides like a dream. Great power. Any of the newer air cooled big twins are twin cam 96" you can go with a hard tail look with a Softail, The 08-09 fatboy have 200MM rear tires. You can go with a bagger which a lot of guys are building awesome customs with. With a pro-touring flair.
Check out the Harley web site to check out different bikes and use you imagination on what you can do to one.

Tim

ACEFOOTER

04-10-2009, 02:08 PM

Thanks Chad, great info, seems to follow most of what I have been thinking as well.

Russell builds an awesome/simple/clean bike that looks mean for sure True!

Night Train is on the list for sure, Chrome vs Black engine though.

As for the Ducs, I thought about that for a bit but like the idea more of all the add on goodies available for the Harleys.

Anyone have experience with the FXDX(T) models?

vanzuuk1

04-10-2009, 02:13 PM

Cheapthrillz thats built like a drag bike, low in back with struts.

Chad-1stGen

04-10-2009, 02:26 PM

FXDX is your best handling big twin model (big twin refers to the Evo & TC powered bikes, excludes sporters and Buells).

It's going to have the best lean angles and fork geometry for twisty roads. I'm not 100% sure but the -T is probably for touring or something that would include bags and windshield and/or fairing.

bigvegan

04-10-2009, 02:36 PM

The Confederate (http://www.confederate.com/confederate3/machines.php) Hellcat or Fighter might be options:

Hellcat
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/hellcat-1.jpg

Fighter:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/confederate_fighter-1.jpg

muthstryker

04-10-2009, 02:49 PM

I would buy one of these to build if I was to get a bike. http://www.threetwochoppers.com/images/ElSegundo/El_Segundo1.jpg

I like the low look.

ACEFOOTER

04-10-2009, 02:55 PM

Correct (T) model has bags and mini fairing.

A few old shool guys have been pionting at the FXR/Evo combo but they all seem to have 50k plus miles, not that they don't hold up but I'm finding a lot of FXDXs with under 15k miles

wmhjr

04-10-2009, 02:59 PM

Maybe I'm off base, but...

To me a ProTour car still has to have the heart of muscle. That's why I never considered the BMWs I've had as ProTour. My M3 and M-Roadster were a blast in the twisties, but they're a lot different than some of the incredible ProTouring Camaros, Chevelles, etc that I see on this site.

So for a bike, I think a real PT bike would need to be a classic HD design. Not even a V-Rod. Nothing whatsoever against the metrics - have had them and love them - but like the M3, they're different. I'd say something in a Dyna, progressive rate suspension front and rear, lightened up, performance machine billet brakes, some sort of 2-1 pipes with ground clearance..

I went a different route with the Softail I built last year. 113" stroker, R&R billet heads, 11.2:1 compression, Progressive Suspension front and rear, PM billet brakes, Polished Jims 6spd tranny - but all packaged to look like a '58 DuoGlide. Not enough clearance to really handle well in the turns, but it's not bad. But, over 120RWHP and humongous torque makes it a blast to ride.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/24June2008001-1.jpg

vanzuuk1

04-10-2009, 03:06 PM

Sorry not a pro touring bike...no offense

CRCRFT78

04-10-2009, 03:15 PM

I've got a 2007 Dyna. I would say FXR or FXDX. You won't be disappointed. You can also get the FXR-SP (Special Police) or FXRT (Touring) if you want the bags and fairing, or the FDXT (Dyna Touring). I plan on getting either one of these in the future.

ACEFOOTER

04-10-2009, 03:27 PM

Very sweet ride wmh, motor sounds like a killer!

Joe have you riden a FXDX that was carburated to compare with the fuel injection?

CRCRFT78

04-10-2009, 03:38 PM

My buddy has a 1990 FXR-SP and that thing flat out hauls arse. Not as new as an FXDX but still carburated. I actually like the response I get when I snap the throttle back on his FXR more than my Dyna. It feels like my bike hesitates just enough for me to notice. Granted he does have some motor work & a dyno tune where my bike is stock. He has a big-bore 95 inch kit, power commander & a Thunderheader and I have the stock 96 inch motor/exhaust. I'm sure with the same add-ons that opinion will change.

As far as the handling, I can't complain about either. And my next bike will be either an FXR or FXDX.

go-fish

04-10-2009, 04:39 PM

vanzuuk1

04-10-2009, 04:59 PM

Agreed.

wmhjr

04-10-2009, 05:10 PM

Sorry not a pro touring bike...no offense

Never said it was. Matter of fact, said I went a different route. Just saying that to me a Ducati or other metric isn't a "Pro-Touring". Great bikes - just not PT.

Restomod

04-10-2009, 05:11 PM

This......
http://www.storzperf.com/jpgs/page21.html

wmhjr

04-10-2009, 05:16 PM

If you're excluding Buell from your options as a "Pro-Touring" scoot then you may as well face it, you're in it for a look and not the function of the bike.
Buell IS Pro-Touring, you can even put bags on them for even more "touring" cred.

Sorry, don't agree. Just like I don't think a stock vette is "Pro-Touring". A Buell is a sport bike with a V-Twin air cooled motor. Nice bike! But to me it's not PT. I mean, let's face it. A '66 Chevelle wasn't built for road racing. But it's PT. Cause we "make" it handle. Seems like PT ought to need a 2nd life to make it handle. But that's why we're all here with different stuff. Everyone has their own feel for what PT is.

Tony_SS

04-10-2009, 05:29 PM

vanzuuk1

04-10-2009, 05:32 PM

I will post a pic sunday of my PT/streefighter build, its worth the wait. And it makes my car look very tame.

Roger M

04-10-2009, 05:33 PM

This......
http://www.storzperf.com/jpgs/page21.html
That is a very cool bike! I've always liked the Storz kitted sportsters. If i owned a sportster, this would be it.

go-fish

04-10-2009, 05:37 PM

OK, to me one of the very first things you would need to look at would be lean angle. I'm recalling a major moto rag stated Buell had the best lean angle out there.
What is the use in going fast if you can't stop? We all use big brakes on our cages right? Have you ever seen a Buells rim mounted disc and six piston caliper?

Balance is a good thing and that is why Buells are designed with an under slung can and fuell in the frame.

You can disagree with me all day long but if you're equating a stock 66 Chevelle's performance to the performanc of an out of the box Firebolt then I wouldn't figure you know what you're talking about.
If you're thinking a Harley has ANY potential to EVAR handle as good as a stock Duc or Buell then you need to do more reading and real world riding not to mention getting on a track.

vanzuuk1

04-10-2009, 05:39 PM

Pro touring harley.

rlovell383

04-10-2009, 05:44 PM

Heres my Triumph Speed Triple. I dont know or care if its a "pro-touring" bike, but I love it. Its got muscle, and will wipe any Harley off the road. It handles 95% as good as a pure sport bike, but with classic styling.

Randy

go-fish

04-10-2009, 05:58 PM

I am sorry I forgot to mention the Triples in my earlier post. I rode one one time and it was a blast. Not like the Buell Blast but a real screamer.

wmhjr

04-10-2009, 06:00 PM

Sorry, Ducati and Buell streetfighter type bikes are completely PT in the bike world . They are bare-bones, well handling V-twins right out of the gate. Just because they are made that way doesn't disqualify them as PT, IMO anyway.

Not to me. They're SPORT bikes. Built that way from the factory. Just like a new Vette or an M3. IMHO an M3 is no way ProTouring but we each have our own opinions.

wmhjr

04-10-2009, 06:06 PM

You can disagree with me all day long but if you're equating a stock 66 Chevelle's performance to the performanc of an out of the box Firebolt then I wouldn't figure you know what you're talking about.
If you're thinking a Harley has ANY potential to EVAR handle as good as a stock Duc or Buell then you need to do more reading and real world riding not to mention getting on a track.

Well you don't need to get personal. I've spent LOTS of time on a track on both 2 and 4 wheels. It's all about what PT means to people. You completely missed the point. A stock chevelle CAN'T handle. So we MAKE it handle. That's PT. A stock XB9 or XB12 can handle - like a Vette, M3, etc can handle. That's SPORTS.

As far as a Harley handling as good as a Ducati, etc, it's possible but not likely. You'd need a custom frame (kind of like a Buell?). OTOH, if you think a PT Chevelle will handle as well as a well modded M3, well...... And I'm not talking about a custom tube chassis with an aluminum skin. That's not a Chevelle. It's a custom car.

I think it all gets back to the definition of ProTouring. Like I said before you got rude, we all have our own definition. Websters doesn't define it. To ME there's a difference between a sports car and a PT car - and a sport bike compared to what we're talking about here. They're all great. Just different.

go-fish

04-10-2009, 06:28 PM

I did miss your point on the Chevelle thing. Sorry for that.
I do disagree on the Buell/Duc/Speed 3 being Sportbikes.
If they were true sportbikes they would have ditched the Twins and the inline three.

To ME there's a difference between a sports car and a PT car

To ME there's a difference between a Gixxer and a Monster or XB. Sportbike vs. Sport Twin. Hence the reason for different racing classes for the two.

To each his own, you're right.

twosaturns

04-10-2009, 06:46 PM

this is just the old 'what is pro touring?' argument wrapped in a new skin.
to be fair, the cycling world has its own definitions already, there isn't a need to apply car terms to them.
to my tastes, I love stripped down choppers and street fighters, as minimal as can be, like this, from brew:https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gifhttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Bishop73

04-10-2009, 07:14 PM

Get a Dyna, best starting point for what you are after IMO.

go-fish

04-10-2009, 07:25 PM

this is just the old 'what is pro touring?' argument wrapped in a new skin.
to be fair, the cycling world has its own definitions already,

Good point Kieth. BTW, I love that bike.

progoat

04-10-2009, 07:39 PM

I own a 04' Buell xb12s lightning and its concidered a sport-touring bike.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/downsized_110608164512-1.jpg

go-fish

04-10-2009, 07:50 PM

Nice Lightning...........or Firebolt?

J/k, Lightning with a 'bolt rear, right? Are you on badweatherbikers.com?

progoat

04-10-2009, 08:02 PM

Nice Lightning...........or Firebolt?

J/k, Lightning with a 'bolt rear, right? Are you on badweatherbikers.com?

Thanks! yea it's a lightning with a firebolt tail..actually it has a few things done to it.no I'm not on there I actually am looking to get rid of the bike to fund my Forgelines for my 65' haha

cheapthrillz

04-10-2009, 08:05 PM

I also really like the looks of the new fxcw rocker. Seen a few heavily customized ones and they look AMAZING! Saw one last weekend in Daytona Beach that had a HUGE turbo on it. Might be worth looking into if you've got the dime...

Ratty 46

04-10-2009, 08:26 PM

How bout a buell based ride - one I built .......

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/Picture058-1.jpg

Ratty 46

justasquid

04-11-2009, 12:50 AM

Im probably not going to be much help here, I ride a CBR 1000RR, so my tastes a bit different. I am more interested in your build if you do make it happen. It sounds like a great idea.

But, if it were me and I didnt want anything but a Harley, I would probably start with a 1200 sportster or a V-rod, the night rod version. A friend of mine has one and it is an awesome bike, although very pricey.

the reason I would suggest a sportster is they are fairly light in comparision to other harleys. they are already 1200 cc's, and have performance aftermarket parts available. They are also built to handle decent right out of the box.

the only real problem I see with the pro-touring idea is making the bike handle better. there is only so much you can do. the main difference being a bike will not have body roll. your basically down to physics. Your only going to handle as well as the tires let you. you can upgrade suspension a little to help with bumps and such in corners, but there really is not much you can do. Lowering a bike doesnt have the same affect it does as with a car. A lowered bike will generally handle much worse than one that is kept at the factory "engineered" height.

As for the engine, thats another story. Your wallet is going to depend on how much power you can make. Although an air cooled motor has its limitations.

vanzuuk1

04-11-2009, 01:34 AM

Cool bike Ratty...

David Sloan

04-11-2009, 03:12 AM

How bout a buell based ride - one I built .......

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/Picture058-1.jpg

Ratty 46

Bring that thing over in May for this!!
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=100

Steve Chryssos

04-11-2009, 04:58 AM

The VRSC VROD series is, by far, the best H-D motorcycle ever. It's the best value, too. Harley purists and most people just don't get it. That's a problem if you're selling one. I just sold my 2003 VRSCA. A quick sale at $7300. Probably could have got $8500, but I just wanted it to go. Either way, that's a steal thanks to limited demand bred by stubborn ignorance. If you're on the buying side of the equation, test ride any VROD and you will agree that it is an awesome, all around power cruiser. Then go buy a nice used example for .50-.70 cents on the dollar. Take advantage of the market. To me, it seems nuts to spend the same or more on 60 year old technology when you can the latest, greatest for pennies on the dollar. When it comes to all around bikes, (as opposed to sport bikes or baggers) I would think that anyone with a pro-touring mentality should agree.

And these bikes are great for customizing--mild to wild. Some examples:

Cafe Rod
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
Slammer (dig the turbo)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
Pro Street
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/111_original-1.jpg
Drag Race
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/2superkaz-1.jpg

Jamess113

04-11-2009, 05:07 AM

Here's a bike I put together for my brother a few years ago. Big brakes, 4 link, White Brothers and Work adjustable suspension.

Nine Ball

04-11-2009, 05:11 AM

I sold my EFI Fat Boy and picked up a VROD Night Rod Special (VRSCDX). No regrets, this VROD flat out moves and handles, as well as sounds great with the CFR exhaust on it. Here are pics. I changed the headlight to the Street Rod version, removed the rear fender plate mount and turn signals (what VROD guys refer to "dog's ass" since it looks like a dog tucking tail when running scared), CFR blacked out exhaust. Next I'll be relocating the front turns down to the forks, and flipping the mirrors upside down to the underside of the bars.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/DSC03164-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/DSC03159-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/DSC03160-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/DSC03161-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/DSC03166-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/DSC03167-1.jpg

CRCRFT78

04-11-2009, 06:43 AM

You can go back and forth on this subject forever. Get what you want and ride the hell out of it. If you don't like it, sell it and try something else.

Tony_SS

04-11-2009, 07:15 AM

Not to me. They're SPORT bikes. Built that way from the factory. Just like a new Vette or an M3. IMHO an M3 is no way ProTouring but we each have our own opinions.

Sport bikes have a FULL plastic body kit and inline 3's.

Ducs and Buells have a V-twin, full frame, gas tank and fenders. Built for speed and handling. They're 100% streetfighter and that's PT to me. Not sure why you are discounting them as PT withOUT using a BMW M3 analogy.

67turbostang

04-11-2009, 09:49 AM

I agree with this bike!!! I like the mean and agressive look.. who makes it?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

go-fish

04-11-2009, 02:02 PM

That looks like an Exile bike to me. Not sure though, I love it.
Kind cafe/streetfighter.

We really should get off this calling bikes "pro-touring". There is no such thing. There IS a term that we should use to equate pro-touring cars to bikes and that is "Streetfighter".
This is much in the same sense to P-T cars vs. "Sports cars" or factory Musclecars.

Research the terminology as it pertains to scoots and you'll see why there is a relation.

In my opinion If you want a hotrod bike then you probably want a Harley-esque bike. If you want a "sportscar"bike then you want a Gixxer.
If you're like me and you want both in one package, the best place to start is with a NAKED sport twin, i.e. Buell, Duc, Speed Triple or even an earlier Gixxer sans plastic faring.

vanzuuk1

04-11-2009, 02:07 PM

Did someone say early gixxer sans fairing??

Mounted my exhaust today.

rlovell383

04-11-2009, 04:27 PM

Vanzuuk1, I always loved a naked gixxer, especially the older ones like yours.

Randy

go-fish

04-11-2009, 05:51 PM

I love the swingarm sticker.

PT Sportwagon

04-11-2009, 06:13 PM

To me the v-rod is not a true harley. They do not have the harley sound, nor the air cooled motor. It is just a wanna be.

Tim

go-fish

04-11-2009, 06:18 PM

To me the v-rod is not a true harley. They do not have the harley sound, nor the air cooled motor. It is just a wanna be.

Tim

What if somebody said a Road King is a wannabe Gold Wing?

no trailers

04-11-2009, 07:26 PM

look , I am 50 years old, and used to ride Kawasaki 900's in the 70's. we couldn't figure out why anyone would use V-twin power then, let alone now. If you want a nice pro-touring motorcycle, look for a Yamaha FJ 1100 or FJ 1200. they have a very similiar engine to the old Kaws that I rode, except they have about 110 hp and go like gangbusters. they also handle great, have great brakes, and are set up for a 300 mile trip if you want. these bikes are simple to work on, air cooled, and very low maintenance.The FJ is about the last of the simple sport bikes. After that, everything else looks like a pocket rocket to me. Just my 2 cents.

wmhjr

04-12-2009, 06:47 AM

Sport bikes have a FULL plastic body kit and inline 3's.

Ducs and Buells have a V-twin, full frame, gas tank and fenders. Built for speed and handling. They're 100% streetfighter and that's PT to me. Not sure why you are discounting them as PT withOUT using a BMW M3 analogy.

Easy. For the same reason I don't call a WRX ProTouring. Or an Audi S4, a Vette, a Porsche C4, etc. Or a VRod (which has a Porsche designed water cooled engine)

Look, everyone has their own definition of ProTouring. For me it's got to be a little retro, and there is nothing retro about a Buell or Ducati. To me, they're sport bikes. Sport bikes do NOT have a "full plastic body kit and inline 3s", etc. How about the stripped RD400? That's a lightweight vintage racer. I owned one of the 1st of the 4 valve sport bikes. I bought a Honda 750F brand new in '79. In that year they did a shootout between it and the Ducati 900SS Desmo. Sport bikes. So, again, for ME ProTouring means you started with iron and upgraded it. They're all lots of fun and labels really don't mean anything anyway. JMHO.

I would agree that if you use the term "StreetFighter" then the Buell definitely fits in, and maybe the Duc Monster - but no other Ducati.

JV69z/28

04-12-2009, 06:49 AM

To me the v-rod is not a true harley. They do not have the harley sound, nor the air cooled motor. It is just a wanna be.

Tim

1st let me say I'm not a motor cycle guy but I love looking at Harleys. I do understand what youre saying. Think of it this way a Z06 isn't a true big block 427 either but doesn't it deserve the respect it commands? It's the same thing with the VRod. Doesn't the look and performance promote the Harley brand to the rest of the cycle world? As an outsider I know to me it sure does.

Nine Ball your VRod is HOT. That is the best looking VRod I've ever seen. :twothumbs

wmhjr

04-12-2009, 06:52 AM

What if somebody said a Road King is a wannabe Gold Wing?

They'd have to put a german Porsche design motor in it, make it shaft drive, add tons of fairings and electronics, get rid the classic air cooled V-Twin engine, and ignore the fact that the FLH/FLT series of bikes was around decades before the Road King was even imagined. Not to say the Wing isn't a great bike. It is! But I can't imagine anyone who knows both bikes ever making that claim. Maybe you're confusing the Road King with the Ultra? Even then, the same argument holds true except the Ultra has the fairings.

OTOH, I like the VRod. Too small for me and not what I want, but if money were no object and I could have a stable of different bikes I'd have a VRod also. It's definitely a Harley - just not a classic Harley.

ACEFOOTER

04-12-2009, 08:07 AM

Wow, thanks for all the great responses and lively debate lol!

I currently ride a 79 KZ1000 that I have a whole$900 invested in. It handles well, has a ton of torque and it looks plain and is quiet as a mouse lol. I'm not planning on racing over the mountain on the Marin Sunday morning ride, but when I get a nice set of corners ahead I will pick the best line no matter what lines are painted on the asphalt. I want to be able to twist the throttle and have people look my direction to see what all the noise is about, and have poeple next to me at the stop light roll up there window cause they can't hear there radio. If I have to lay on the binders hard to stay out of trouble, I want the olny limitation to be how well the street can hold the rubber. As cool as the V-Rod and Buells are as Stret Fighters, I'm looking more for the cruising/Pro-Touring styling of the traditional Harley styling!

still no responses onthe Evo vs Twinn Cam and Carburated vs Fuel injection and 5sp vs 6sp transmissions

vanzuuk1

04-12-2009, 09:21 AM

As a mad max fan I need to own a z1 like the toecutters or the bike that goose rode...and thanks for the PM John/gofish.

progoat

04-12-2009, 02:35 PM

Roger M

04-12-2009, 02:53 PM

I've always liked this model that Harley built in the 70s. Ad some upgraded suspension, brakes, power, and maybe some trick rolling stock and this would be an awesome bike.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/Harley20XLCR20100020CafC3A920Racer-1.jpg

Tony_SS

04-12-2009, 04:23 PM

I would agree that if you use the term "StreetFighter" then the Buell definitely fits in, and maybe the Duc Monster - but no other Ducati.

Well, we agree on something then! They are more technically Street Fighters, but to me, Street Fighters are a niche that fit under the umbrella of the "PT" definition.

dadto2jays

04-12-2009, 05:21 PM

Here is a pict of my 2006 StreetGlide Carburated with a 5 spd, is it a pro touring? definetly not but it does have a serious punch and it is comfortable. On my future plans I am adding a 21 inch wheel in the front and a 18 in the rear. I have had a softail standard, a fuel injected fat boy and by far this is the best harley model to date that I have owned. Good luck with your venture...

CRCRFT78

04-12-2009, 07:15 PM

2007 Dyna Street Bob. Soon to get a Thunder Header, power commander, dyno tune and Screamin' Eagle air breather.

wmhjr

04-13-2009, 04:55 AM

2007 Dyna Street Bob. Soon to get a Thunder Header, power commander, dyno tune and Screamin' Eagle air breather.

I'd rethink the Thunderheader. Years ago they were great because there wasn't much in the way of choice. But today there are far better pipes, like the D&D FatCat, the Bassani Road Rage, the V&H Propipe. All are better designs and performance and MUCH better quality. The finish on the TH is terrible. Poor plating and thin metal. Everyone I know that buys one first sends it out to have it replated up front.

Boyd

04-13-2009, 06:42 AM

tuna - Cool bike! I've never seen or heard of it. What was the model/name?

I've always liked this model that Harley built in the 70s. Ad some upgraded suspension, brakes, power, and maybe some trick rolling stock and this would be an awesome bike.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/Harley20XLCR20100020CafC3A920Racer-1.jpg

Roger M

04-13-2009, 06:50 AM

XLCR was the model. I beleive they made it for 2 years(77 & 78)? One of the vintage bikes on my want list (just not enough money to justify it it yet).

55ChevDelray

04-13-2009, 12:44 PM

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/18425890

280 rear tire, raked 38 degrees.

go-fish

04-13-2009, 01:27 PM

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/18425890

280 rear tire, raked 38 degrees.

I really think this bike misses the mark of the OP's direction.

I stopped by the Hardley dealer on my way home from work today to see if an aquaintence of mine has any lines on wrecked Buells for a possible Bobber build.

I looked at the 883N Iron and the XLCR1200 or whatever, the new flat tracker. That bike would be the best of any HD scoot for a handling Harley. The rake is perfect for this type of project. It was very aggressive for a big bike.

vanzuuk1

04-13-2009, 02:08 PM

Nick ienatch of motorcyclist magazine built a sweey harley xlcr, I will try and find some pics...

Taylor1969

04-14-2009, 06:59 AM

Gotta Love exile bikes...

If I ever built a bike it would be similar to one of these:

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I love the minimalist look!

Tony_SS

04-14-2009, 08:47 AM

Agreed... Love Exile bikes. I might want to up the ante on those brake lights though!

D Rock

04-14-2009, 10:22 AM

I've always liked some of the RSD built bikes, more of just a showcase for their products but still nice.

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Chad-1stGen

04-14-2009, 10:30 AM

tearing up the dirt with no air filter?

Vegas69

04-14-2009, 10:42 AM

I'm on my 3rd Big Dog motorcyle. In my mind it is a pro touring harley. 117 ci, 6 speed baker, 250 tire, billet wheels, killer paint, etc from the factory.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/02/IMG_0540-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/1232353_IMG-1.jpg

BRIAN

04-14-2009, 10:46 AM

Problem with a lot of bikes is they are bought based on what they look like vs. what they deliver in ride. I am also guilty of this as I always said ; "If you are going to die you might as well look good doing it"

Have had a couple XLCR'S and they are cool bikes but don't expect modern handling or anything for that matter.

Early 1986-87 GSXRS are probably the best buy for outright speed and easy handling updates. They are monsters especially for their time.

As far as Pro Touring I will throw in my old 1986-1988 Ducati's F1 tri color bikes. Closest thing to a bare bones race bike that was just street legal. With meg exhaust they sound like a cammed SBC at idle. The last one I had was done with big rear tire conversion that looked killer.

The new bikes are amazing but lack that "feel" to them. Then again I haven't been on a bike in years.

AdvAutoBob

04-14-2009, 01:26 PM

Dyna would make a good starting point as said earlier... here's my old Dyna Street Bob (sold it last year for a Screamin Eagle Road Glide):
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/IMG_5249-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/IMG_5254-1.jpg

Here's an XR clone we did in the shop early last year, using a Sporty 1200:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/XR12004-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/XR12002-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/XR12003-1.jpg

Fun to ride, handled well...lots of power and light.

vanzuuk1

04-14-2009, 01:50 PM

Roland sands "no regrets" bike is my favorite custom ever...and i like that flatracker style xr 1000

vanzuuk1

04-14-2009, 01:51 PM

And Brian you and I are on the same page as usual...

Damn True

04-14-2009, 01:56 PM

tuna - cool bike! I've never seen or heard of it. What was the model/name?

worst brakes ever!

vanzuuk1

04-14-2009, 02:35 PM

Its a harley,they have not had brakes until recently...you know you "gotta lay er down" if a car pulls out in front of you..

...because steel on pavement has so much more grip than rubber.

Damn True

04-14-2009, 02:55 PM

I had a 78 super-glide for a while. I swear when you reefed on the front brake lever it diverted the primary chaincase oil leak to the front disks and actually caused the bike to accelerate.

blown9746

04-14-2009, 03:43 PM

Most bike builders do not build bike to handle. They look cool so people can ride short distances and look cool. Roland sands bikes are an exception. Being a former AMA 250 champ he likes good handling machines.

This whole argument seems stupid to me. Pro-touring refers to cars. Bikes have their own genres streetfighter, cafe, sport, cruiser, etc.

And starting with a harley, but wanting handling,braking, and power you are starting behind the 8 ball.

MonzaRacer

04-14-2009, 04:37 PM

I say run what ya brung, forget what others say.
As for a Buell I ride a Blast for now, hopefully gonna net a Sportster later on, then add what I like.
AS for handling I have been on many bikes and a fella brought up a Blast that was 600cc, and custom rear swingarm and larger rear tire. It would let me scrape pegs as good as my Blast, and that little 500 cc bike will lay a peg better than a GSXR, cause I out cornered the guy.
I figured he was just a newb, and turns out he was a track racer, he totaled his XB got the GSXR till his 1129CR came in, and he had a Nightster coming too.
After running with me on a a rural Indiana twisty road, he said the GSXR was GONE.
I rode his and he rode my Buell, we got off and he was just ragging on HIS bike.
He looked at my Blast with a Wron Dunlop on front and new Pirrelli on back and just couldnt believe. I called my dealer and asked if they had any Blasts coming, or could get one as I had a sale for them.
They found one in Indy and he drove by, gave salesman $150 for finding it and rode to Indy and let the little GSXR go(no wasnt big bike as this guy was 5' 5" and really needed a low seat on my Blast).
He now has several incarnations of Blasts, and loves that little single he first bought.
Again,
RIDE WHAT YA WANT!
I like Monzas and 70-72 Monte Carlos and both are not big corner burners stock.
Lee Abel
AFTERMARKET PERFORMANCE

customcam

04-14-2009, 07:13 PM

this is nasty
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/YMTOS5-1.jpg

vanzuuk1

04-15-2009, 02:20 AM

That is wicked.

PonchoJohn

04-16-2009, 11:16 AM

For a pro-"touring" bike, any of the FLH's w/ a fairing and a shorty windshield will do. If you don't think a bagger will get w/ the program, you need to spend more time around real riders (as opposed to folks who have a Harley w/ 3,000 mi on it and it's 6 years old!) who aren't afraid to show you what they've got. I know guys w/ baggers who can rip the front wheel off the ground with ease, yet can cruise at 80 mph nonstop. I ride w/ guys like this.

I will also agree that a Dyna is a good platform to build on. My buddy rides a 97 Dyna Wideglide. It's a nice bike that has been on multi-state treks.

Me personally, I like Softails. My Night Train has been modded to suit me, so it has a custom 21x3 front rim w/ a 120-70x21, floating rotors, Lyndal pads. I also have a 2 into 1 exhaust, quick detach windshield, a true "saddle" for a seat, lowered, different bars, etc. I ride this all over the place. I have "toured" w/ my buddies through multiple states, so I think softails are a good platform, even if you do give up a little ground clearance... ouch- oh well, it's only chrome.
My wife had an 04 Sporty- damn good handling bike. On that, I could nail corners/sweepers harder than my N/T, and be very comfortable at the higher speeds. I couldn't ride it very long- just not built for my size, so I don't think it would be a good platform to cruise long distances with.

Evo vs. Twin Cam? Depends on what you like. A lot of old school guys don't wanna tweak the Twinkies 'cause they have too many parts/ have issues w/ the stock spring-loaded timing chain tensioners. I feel that Harley has got it figured out on the 96" motors w/ the hydraulic tensionsers (which can be retro'd to the 88" motors). The TC's make mighty power/torque when they are tweaked.
Of course, the aftermarket uses the Evo as the basis for (almost) every aftermarket engine made, so that should say something about it's durability/parts availability/HP potential.

All I can say on the 5 vs 6 speed is I'm always after another gear when I'm riding down the interstate w/ my 5 spd, yet I can exceed 60 mph in 2nd. It all depends on how you ride it. When I'm cruising down the road, I like the exhaust to burble real low, so a 6 speed would benefit me.

go-fish

04-16-2009, 05:39 PM

this is nasty
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/YMTOS5-1.jpg

Quit teasing us with European bikes! This is a modded version of Yamaha's (Europe only) MT 0s.

MickMc

04-16-2009, 07:07 PM

customcam

04-16-2009, 08:04 PM

This is the Original MT-OS that came out in 06 :smoke:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/04/YMTOS2-1.jpg

wmhjr

04-17-2009, 03:30 AM

still no responses onthe Evo vs Twinn Cam and Carburated vs Fuel injection and 5sp vs 6sp transmissions

Here's some thoughts for you on this....

The Evo is an older, more generic and "open" design. The TC is a newer design that does have some design advantages - along with the fact that the hard mounted version being interally counter-balanced and therefore smoother (less vibration). If you're building yourself the Evo is easeir to work with and gives you more options. It can certainly produce bunches of power and there are tons of aftermarket parts for it. I built a 113" Evo that turns out close to 130hp on pump gas, has gobs of torque right off of idle, and is reliable as can be. I also have a TC 88" that runs a bit smoother and is a great motor. In the past I've had Honda inline 4's, a Hurricane, an RD400, bunches of other bikes. While it has its disadvantages also, I've never ever ridden anything that has the low to mid range torque that a harley does. No comparison. When building an Evo, head/piston design and compression are very important. They can get hot and are prone to detonation if run too lean at high compression. Some heads are clearly better than others. Edelbrocks are "OK" (I've got an 80" E-Headed Evo sitting on a stand in my shop). Heads like R&R billet HiTorque heads are so much better it's beyond description. Of course, they're also more expensive. Also, spend some time thinking about oiling when buildilng an Evo - and learn how to properly ride one. Lugging one of these can kill it quick.

Carb vs FI: Carbs are easier to tune. FI tuning is a bit more expensive. An S&S Super-G with a Thunderjet is easy to tune, adding a 3rd fuel circuit. FI is probably a better technical system, but I'd rather be able to tune easier.

5spd vs 6spd? Easy. So long as you have the torque, 6spd all the way. Be careful, there are some 6 spd trannies out there that still have a 1:1 6th gear so you're just getting more gears, but nothing taller. I'm running a Jims Billet 6spd w/.86 6th gear. Before that I was always looking for another gear. The issue is that when built correctly, these V-Twins have SO much low end torque. I've heard good AND bad things about the RevTech and Ultima trannies. Nothing but good about the Jims and Bakers.

go-fish

04-17-2009, 10:00 AM

This is the Original MT-OS that came out in 06 :smoke:

Yes and no. The actual bike is an MT-OS biut the front fairing is from Yamaha's parts book and the exhaust and chopped, street fighter style, rear seat are completely custom.
The wheels, if you know the MT-OS, are true to MT fashon with it's 4 blade design but obviousley one off machined parts.
All the pretty engine detail and black accents and air scoops also do not come on the street MT's.
The bike was built by a designer at Yamaha to try to get them to bring the "Sport Torque" style of bikes to the US. I guess it didn't work.