And the fun continues...

[James OLC]

After 1,600 miles, 27 hours, 3 blizzards, 1 trailer tire (and countless bottles of NOS orange and grape)...

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Ironworks Speed and Kustom, Bakersfield, CA... March 9th, 2009

[David Pozzi]

Hey! You missed an autocross by 1 day!
Welcome to California! :)

[Damn True]

My God that thing is beautiful.

[James OLC]

David... why do you have to be that way? (LOL) All I want to do is drive the car for a while (and race)... and you have to remind me that I just missed a great opportunity... c'mon... believe me, if there had been a way, I would have been there. The 6" of snow in Montana slowed me down a bit.

True... thanks, and thanks for the call today. It was a heck of a drive but after crossing the Great Divide four times in three days, this last little stretch was a piece of cake.

[Damn True]

That is one hell of a trip....this time of year.....towing a trailer......geez....glad you made it safely.

[James OLC]

Yeah... when I left Saturday morning it was 5 above... it warmed up in Montana but when we woke up on Sunday morning there was 6" of snow on the truck and trailer and the only way out of town was behind a plow. It snowed almost non-stop though Idaho to Utah, where the snow gradually turned to cold rain. The last thing I saw on the news when we called it quits last night was that there was another blizzard heading our way. Today was nothing but fun... I don't know what was better, the construction on the 15 through 'Vegas or the gail force winds that didn't stop till we crossed the mountains in California.

On the whole, it could have been worse although I am in no hurry to do it again.

[Young Gun]

whats gonna be done at ironwerks? I love that car...

[MrQuick]

I thought you were done???

bad ass ride

[minendrews68]

My God that thing is beautiful.

What he said X2!!!! I really like that color. Very good looking car.:drool:

[James OLC]

I am "done" for now (whatever that means) and nothing major is happening (for the next little while). Rodger has been kind enough to offer his hospitality while I shake the car down in SoCal so Ironworks Speed and Kustoms - thank you very much.

For now it's off to make sure that everything held together and see if I can't find a nice quiet spot to .... something

[NOPANTS-68]

damn now that is sharp

[James OLC]

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Long day... I think that I might have found one of my transmission issues today and definately found a brake issue.

Tomorrow I have to log some miles to be sure.

Hat's off to Rodger and everybody at Ironworks... awesome hospitality and great support. It's really appreciated and badly needed.

[zbugger]

Awesome car James. I hope you enjoy the California weather while you can. I wish there was a way I could check the car out. Have fun at the Goodguys show!!!

[67 ls1 vert]

As a truck driver, I can totally relate to the snow and winds. Oh and the construction jam ups really suck too. Glad you made it through it all with that beautiful car.

Any idea when you'll make it to the San Marcos area?

[CarlC]

Welcome to Cali. Good luck in Bakersfield. Hopefully you can check off a few items on the bug sheet.

See you Sunday.

[icebird84]

HOT:1st:



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[1971CHEVELLE]

awesome car:1st: looks very good

[James OLC]

Another long day - finished the nut and bolt, played with ride height, fiddled with the dash, made some minor exhaust tweaks, and ultimately put some really fun miles on the car.

There are still some lingering issues that I need to figure out (like a pesky vibration that comes in at 57 mph but is all gone by about 75) but nothing that seems to be major.

Looking forward to Fontana tomorrow and a cruise up the PCH Friday and then Costa Mesa for the weekend. I can't promise that I'll set the world on fire but at the very least it should be memorable.

[Vegas69]

Nice to be in the sun I bet. Been logging some miles as well. I'd have to say wheel balance as long as you don't have solid motor mounts. You may want to try some Dyna beads in the tires.

[monza]

oh ya long days... you SUCK- you know the temps you just left, have fun my friend. I'm so jealous. Rip it up, drive that beast!

[CarlC]

James,

If you don't mind a bit of company I MIGHT be able to come out and play on PCH with the Camaro tomorrow depending on your timing. PM me....

[Steve1968LS2]

We shot the car today for Camaro Performers at California Speedway.

Here's a shot not good enough for the magazine as a teaser. :)

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Beautiful Car!

[James OLC]

Fired you a PM Carl.

It was a really fun experience at California Speedway yesterday with Steve. I think that we made his job a little bit tougher since part of our job was to direct the light where he needed it - unfortunately, it's been six months since we last saw real sun and we were slightly confused by it...

As ususal, a touch of new car drama with the '67 when I blew a fuse trying to roll both windows up at the same time - sigh...

My favorite shot (by my wife) from the day and my new desktop background...

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It was another long day but we're finally in Newport and getting ready for a cruise down to Huntington before the Goodguys show tomorrow.

We'll be somewhere between the Mighty Muscle corral and the autocross all weekend.

[James OLC]

Some random parking lot shots from today (and yes, I forgot almost everything Steve taught me yesterday, especially wrt the front wheel)...

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Went for a nice 50 mile cruise up the Pacific Coast Highway in the middle of the afternoon with no issues (aside from my 57 mph vibration). Temperature never got over 185 - which is a nice change from my old dinosaur big and small blocks. It's still having a fast idle issue but I think that is because of my redneck IAT sensor location.

Nice way to end the week... now bring on the weekend... I'm tired of feathering first and second gear!

[Brandon Miller]

I'm a diehard Ford guy but that shot is pure sex. I'd give up a Ford for that.:drool:




We shot the car today for Camaro Performers at California Speedway.

Here's a shot not good enough for the magazine as a teaser. :)

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Beautiful Car!

[WS6]

good luck getting everything sorted out James. I love that car.

[James OLC]

Well the weekend was awesome...

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I was really honored to be awarded the Muscle Machine of the Year finalist award for the event.

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The autocross was increadible (photo by Steve Rupp)

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and I was happy enough with my 31.7 pass... although I know I can get more out of it.

It's now in the capable hands of D!ck and the crew at Best of Show to try to sort out some of the problems that cropped up over the weekend. I`m back on the road and dreading another drive through Montana.

[CamaroJesse]

Damn I love this car!

[WS6]

safe travels James

[James OLC]

Well, we did find a new issue at the autocross in Costa Mesa - if you check out one of the YouTube videos posted from the event (either in the Costa Mesa thread (https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53700)or on my YouTube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/reboot04)) you can hear a crappy sounding whack whack whack sound.

First impression is rear end (like a loud snap from the differential) but the jury is out for right now.

You can really hear it in this clip:

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although I suspect that the camera placement and way that the splitter is mounted to the car makes it sound worse than it might be.

Other developments...

The good news is that the transmission problem seems to be resolved - both the clutch and the TOB are behaving themselves.

Unresolved... the brakes are better than they were at Spring Mountain but they are still less than 100%.

The bad news is that the car has developed an irregular miss. It's popping through the exhaust every once and a while... seems like a plug issue but I don't think it's major.

[James OLC]

The initial review at Best of Show suggests that the rear end is ok but there is a definate issue at the front of the car...

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It appears as if there is some significant deflection (one thing or a combination? the jury is out) in the front corners. Although there is lots of static clearance it seems that under dynamic conditions the bolt attaching the tie rod end to the steering arm is grazing (to put it mildly) the inside lip of the wheel.

HRE wheels is checking everything ouy and hopefully its resolved in time for Del Mar. (HRE wound up rehooping the fronts and giving some additional clearance on the inside. In the future some ZR1 hubs may be the order of the day)

***
When I got to Best of Show in San Marcos I found that three plug wires had hit the exhaust and were intermittently shorting out. Three bad plugs - three bad wires. I was able to piece together some replacement wires with a small block ford set that Steve had brought for D!ck and reusing the LSx colil ends from the old wires. A bit of a bandaid but it should be functional for now.

[Steve1968LS2]

Glad we could get the One Lap Camaro ready in time for Del Mar.. love the car and it will just keep getting better. Especially once Dave Pozzi tinkers with it :)

[James OLC]

Like Steve suggests, we were able to get the car together the Thursday before Del Mar and had the Camaro in the Optima Batteries display (when it wasn't on the Autocross course)

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I had the chance to get a lot of time on the Autocross course on Friday and Saturday...

Taken by Hotchkis who were are behind the Autocross 110%... and a great bunch of guys to boot
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Taken by the guys at RideTech (www.ridetech.com (http://www.ridetech.com/more/))
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A couple more issues came to light...

On Friday we found that the front end was too tight to the wheel - the ride height settled a bit over time (or so it would appear) - and the front tire got cut up by a fender bolt. Nothing disasterous and we were able to raise the ride height.

On Saturday we found that one of the valve stems worked loose over two days of abuse (it was new following the rehoop earlier that week). Luckily the tire went flat at the end of my last run... close call but again nothing disasterous.

The best news... no more whack whack whack.

The car is at an undisclosed location in Norther California getting an adjustable rear bar fabbed up from a stock Hotchkis peice as well as some select other improvements at Pozzi Racing. Woo Hoo!

Coming soon... the Streets of Willow and a couple of open track days.

[CarlC]

Hey James, does that mean May 2-3 at Willow? I hope so, it should be a great time. Hopefully the heat stays away a little bit longer.....

[lt1chevelle]

cant wait to see the car at the GG show in may

[Larry Callahan]

the best news... No more whack whack whack.

lol!!!

[Steve1968LS2]

Hey James, does that mean May 2-3 at Willow? I hope so, it should be a great time. Hopefully the heat stays away a little bit longer.....

I plan on being there but my oil cooler is coming along slowly.. so I might have to do a few laps.. let cool.. repeat..

[James OLC]

Hey James, does that mean May 2-3 at Willow? I hope so, it should be a great time. Hopefully the heat stays away a little bit longer.....

That's the plan right now Carl - hopefully we have everything sorted out by then (which I am sure that we will). It should be a lot of fun!

Steve, just throw that big old nitrous bottle in the trunk... back in the day that was my "emergency overheating" solution...

[Martin71RS]

James, it is nice to read (not nice for you I mean) that I am not the only one having to do a lot of fine tuning and fixing small things once the car is on the road. People think a car is ready when it is built but forget it is the small things like this that take a lot of time to get it right.

I love your car!

Martin

[Code Red]

very nice

[CarlC]

James, it is nice to read (not nice for you I mean) that I am not the only one having to do a lot of fine tuning and fixing small things once the car is on the road. People think a car is ready when it is built but forget it is the small things like this that take a lot of time to get it right. Martin

I'm 10 years into it, and the bugs still exist. They tend to evolve and morph into more challenging problems, but fine tuning is still the only way to get it right. James is in the middle of the initial shakedown, but fortunately has some very good people to help him de-bug the big stuff.

[James OLC]

Like Carl says, I think that the evolution of any car takes time. I have never built or had a car that was 100% right out of the shoot - regardless of the parts, pieces, builder or history. These are all works in progress and I am truly fortunate to have some increadible support from some very talented people.

The good part is that every time that I have taken the car out, I have been able to check another issue off the list. Almost as good... every time an issue (or concern, or shortcoming) is identified, it makes the car a little bit better.

At Del Mar on Saturday we were hot lapping the cars to our hearts content... and outside of a couple of minor issues the car didn't mind the abuse. Mary got 50 plus runs in over the two days. I probably got 30ish in the OLC. That's a lot to ask out of any car and is definately a quick way to find any bugs.

[James OLC]

A couple more pictures from the Goodguys show in Del Mar courtesy of Jimi from FM3 - Optima....

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[James OLC]

This is a continuation of the discussion that's going on in the Racing Thread about last weekends event at the Streets of Willow with the LA Shelby American Club... the original thread is here (https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54027)and is worth a read....

Wow – what a great weekend!

It’s hard to put the last five days into words but I’ll take a shot at doing it justice.

As many of you know, after the Goodguys show in Del Mar, the Camaro went home with David and Mary Pozzi for some much needed tweaking. The car was coming around but there were still some suspension setup issues that needed to be addressed – a rear bar being first and foremost on the list of must dos – and the Pozzis were the more than up for the task. When I got to California on Wednesday the new rate adjustable rear bar (a modified Hotchkis second gen piece) was in place and ready to go and we were going to finish up a couple of things Thursday and leave for Willow Springs mid day on Friday. That was the plan…

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Thursday and Friday we made wholesale changes to the suspension tuning. David picked out some new springs – stiffening the car up front and rear – and we added proper bump rubbers to the shocks for some added protection. We reset bump steer up front, adding “some” additional spacing between the steering arm and the end links.

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We increased the ride height by ¾” of an inch front and back and corner balanced the car properly (for what it’s worth, we wound up with a 49.7% cross weight and 54 / 46 % front to rear). Finally we aligned the car and completed a nut and bolt inspection, (which necessitated a minor, last minute tweak)…

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…eventually giving the car a clean bill of health for the weekend. At 9 pm on Friday we loaded up the trailer and, after a quick dinner and a couple of hours of sleep, we hit the road at 2 am for the 6 hour drive to Willow Springs.

Despite all of us being completely bagged, the drive to the track was smooth sailing. Mary made it to the track first with the car and had it though tech when David and I arrived in the motor home – with about 5 minutes to spare before the drivers meeting.

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[James OLC]

After filling the car with some 100 octane race fuel David took the first lap of the weekend in the ‘beginner’ group (sorry about that David)

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and came back with a big grin and suggested only a minor adjustment to the brake bias.

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I was up next and after getting settled in the car had only a brief moment of panic and frustration when, upon turning the key – absolutely nothing happened. After some quick diagnosis – made a bunch easier thanks to the self diagnostics of the ISIS system – found that I had knocked some relays loose when I was adjusting the brakes. The rest of the day was as close to “flawless” as I could have hoped.

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David and I continued to alternate sessions, making minor brake and ride height adjustments through the day (Mary thought the car looked like a “backwards stinkbug” when the front end came up onto the straightaway).

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The only hiccup for me occurred in the final session of the day – as I approached the rumble strips on the far end of the track the car ‘hesitated’ briefly; it wasn’t much but I pulled off a couple laps early to try to see if there was a problem. Nothing was obvious so we parked the car and called it a day.

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[James OLC]

I took the opportunity that evening to walk the track and make some more detailed notes on lines and how far I thought I could push things here and there. There are a lot of elevation changes on the track so some things were a little deceptive from inside the car. Finally (ok, it was 8 o’clock) I retired to the trailer and called it a day.

Sunday morning was more of the same. Up bright and early (just barely beating Carl and Chad) and back onto the car. There was one point that morning, as everyone was getting settled at the track, when First Gens probably outnumbered any other group in the pits – I had never seen so many great cars together in one place outside a show – it was really cool. Back to business - fill with gas again, drop the car another ¼”, dial in a little more rear brake and back on the track.

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Since we were lapping most of the red group we moved up to the intermediate group which gave us a chance to play tag with Carl and his awesome ’68.

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For the most part Sunday was a repeat of Saturday – no real problems but a lot of fun. I did have a nagging warning light coming on throughout the day and seemed to be a little bit slower than I had been on Saturday but I couldn’t see anything wrong on the dash so kept an eye on it and continued until the last session. There were three outings in a row where Carl and I seemed to be in a world of our own out there – we were swapping spots every few laps and pushing each other every lap, passing Mustangs, ‘Vettes and everything else we could get around like they weren’t even there. It was honestly the most fun that I have had in the OneLap car since the day I started the project.

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In kind of a repeat of the previous day, the last session ended a bit early for me… I was noticing that the warning lights were becoming more frequent and the car was hesitating more often. There was also a bit of a noise coming from the front end that I couldn’t put my finger on so, after nearly looping it once on the straight and finding it difficult to keep up to Carl and Rocco, I reluctantly pulled into the pits and called it a weekend.

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It didn’t take long to find the first problem… with the car running the dash was showing only 11.5 volts – definitely not enough to keep an LS engine happy. Monday we found the other minor issue of the day – the front brakes were dragging (a lot). It turns out that the last bias adjustment took the front pushrod just slightly out of its comfort zone and the MC wasn’t fully releasing the front brakes – hence the squeak and the sudden desire for the back end of the car to try to pass the now slower front of the car. Likewise, the charging problem was traced to a failed regulator in the alternator.

SO… trying to shorten a really long story…

Thank you so much to David and Mary for their help, hospitality, and patience. David’s mentoring, advice, and input helped me a ton both in setting up the car as well as driving it and seeing where improvements can be made. Mary’s enthusiasm, drive, and screaming (including the incredible hissing gopher incident) went a long way to help maintain focus and make the weekend an overwhelming success.

The car is now getting prepped for the Nevada Open Road Challenge next week. Repairs have been made to the brake bias and the alternator and a couple of subtle improvements are being worked in.

Thanks again to everybody and to the LA Shelby Club for putting on an awesome event. Hopefully we have an opportunity to do it again sometime soon.

[James OLC]

And some video from Sunday - mostly chasing Carl around...

SplitterVision with Carl (Camaro) and Rocco (Mustang)
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Vent Windows... gotta love 'em...
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[ironworks]

Car looks more able at the new ride height, Does not look "AS" mean but looks more like it knows what it is doing.

Looks like fun, I motivated to get my mustang fixed, I'm thinking about and LS swap from the Broken mod motor.

Rodger

[CarlC]

How is it now that you've had a hit (or three) off the crack pipe?

That 20-minute session five with you and session six with Rocco is why I want to go back.

You have a lot more potential in both the car and your driving left to go. It's great to see you doing so well so early in the curve.

Any driving events in Canada coming up? ;-)

[CarlC]

Thank you so much to David and Mary for their help, hospitality, and patience. David’s mentoring, advice, and input helped me a ton both in setting up the car as well as driving it and seeing where improvements can be made. Mary’s enthusiasm, drive, and screaming went a long way to help maintain focus and make the weekend an overwhelming success.

Absolutely true for me as well.

[claytonisbob]

I didn't see this stated (it could have been, correct me if I'm wrong); where did the front splitter go?

Car looks great! Spending the time to shake the car down must be awesome :)

[James OLC]

The splitter was in the trailer for most of the weekend. We were still playing with ride height and shocks and wanted as easy access as possible. We had it on for most of the afternoon on Sunday but by then people were getting pictured out.

[Code Red]

love this shot

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[Damn True]

And some video from Sunday - mostly chasing Carl around...



Boy, the wide angle and the lack of nearby landscape really hides the sensation of speed.

[Rocco]

How is it now that you've had a hit (or three) off the crack pipe?

That 20-minute session five with you and session six with Rocco is why I want to go back.

You have a lot more potential in both the car and your driving left to go. It's great to see you doing so well so early in the curve.

Any driving events in Canada coming up? ;-)

I agree with Carl about your potential. For it being your 1st time at the Streets of Willow, I can't say enough how impressed I am with your driving. And of course your One Lap Camaro is a SUPERB example of a well thought out streetable road racer. I hope your first run at the Silver State Classic goes well... that event has always impressed me. I will certainly let you know when our next Open Track will be.

Rocco

[James OLC]

Thanks Rocco - it was a fun time and getting to try a new track was fun. Another day or two would have been great but by the end of the day Sunday I had spent more on gas than I had on the entry fee as it was...

So I fiinally had a chance to download most of the telemetry from the weekend (a lot is lost in limbo following a really unfriendly update of the software, but I hope I can use it in the future). On Saturday we were running in the Red group (beginner) - lap times in traffic seemed to be around 1.33 minutes. With an open track David's "best" time was 1.169 minutes with a top speed going up the hill of 103 mph (although the run with the top speed was not the one with the best lap time). My best time Saturday was 1.18 with a top speed of 99 mph. On Sunday we moved up to the White group (intermediate) where lap times in traffic seemed to be aroung 1.25 minutes or so. For the most part, my consistently best times were in the 1.18's with a one time shot at 1.179 while David pulled off a blistering 1.149 with a peak speed of 104.3 mph. My speeds on Sunday were slower at the peak but I was carrying the speed further up the dogleg.

By the way, I put qualify David's "best" with quotation marks because I don't think that he was diving it 100% and I am sure that he could improve on that.:hail:

[Bow Tie 67]

James, thanks for the udate. I'm looking forward to meeting you in MI in June. It's great that you are " on the crack pipe now " ; ) and welcome to the club.

I came to the realization that this drug is by far the best I have ever experienced. I'm not sure if I have every posted this, but here goes. Two years ago, my father called me and I happened to be at the track. He asked what I was doing, then responded I can hear the excitment in your voice.
Matt

[James OLC]

Yeah it's definately a lot of fun and I am really happy with the progress that the car has made.

As far as the Motorstate Challenge in June, I'm signed up but I would say that there is only a 30% chance that I make it at this point. March, April, and May have been busy months and I'm just not sure that I can fit it in any more. We'll see; hopefully it will work itself out.

[David Pozzi]

Thanks Rocco - it was a fun time and getting to try a new track was fun. Another day or two would have been great but by the end of the day Sunday I had spent more on gas than I had on the entry fee as it was...

So I fiinally had a chance to download most of the telemetry from the weekend (a lot is lost in limbo following a really unfriendly update of the software, but I hope I can use it in the future). On Saturday we were running in the Red group (beginner) - lap times in traffic seemed to be around 1.33 minutes. With an open track David's "best" time was 1.169 minutes with a top speed going up the hill of 103 mph (although the run with the top speed was not the one with the best lap time). My best time Saturday was 1.18 with a top speed of 99 mph. On Sunday we moved up to the White group (intermediate) where lap times in traffic seemed to be aroung 1.25 minutes or so. For the most part, my consistently best times were in the 1.18's with a one time shot at 1.179 while David pulled off a blistering 1.149 with a peak speed of 104.3 mph. My speeds on Sunday were slower at the peak but I was carrying the speed further up the dogleg.

By the way, I put qualify David's "best" with quotation marks because I don't think that he was diving it 100% and I am sure that he could improve on that.:hail:

James,
There's more speed in the car than that! :)
I was taking it easy in several places, especially in braking at the top of the hill. Couldn't find 3rd gear more than half the time so I always slowed early. It seemed like I never got more than 1 lap per session that was clear, I was always catching up to someone.

Overlay your speed trace with my best lap to see where you can improve, compare corner exit speeds and see if you are cornering as hard, then look at where you let off and hit the brakes compared to me.
David

[rsk68]

James,

I had a blast just watching, next time I will be on the track with all of you, I came straight home Sunday and put the car on 4 jack stands, I have installed the tall spindles, I have removed the rear brakes and am just waiting for the floatings calipers, I need to talk to David about the rear sway bar setup.
WHEN IS THE NEXT TRACK DAY?

[scherp69]

James that car is sweet!!! I love the color. I'm likely going to be painting mine red and was wondering that color that is.

[minendrews68]

James that car is sweet!!! I love the color. I'm likely going to be painting mine red and was wondering that color that is.

Is it RED? or is it ORANGE? Or is it RED ORANGE? I agree, it is a good looking color. I've already been trying to get the color from him.:)
Carl

[David Pozzi]

Here's a video of Carl and James on the track at Streets Of Willow. Notice Steve Rupp taking photos at the fence while the high winds try and blow him over!
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[James OLC]

James,
There's more speed in the car than that! :)
I was taking it easy in several places, especially in braking at the top of the hill. Couldn't find 3rd gear more than half the time so I always slowed early. It seemed like I never got more than 1 lap per session that was clear, I was always catching up to someone.


Yeah, I thought that the braking zone at the end of the dogleg was one of the most deceptive points on the track - especially when one of the slower cars was there. The closure rate was pretty eye opening and I think (I know) that I tended to brake way too soon and way to gradually there.

[James OLC]

The color is a custom mix that was loosely based on the Ring Brother Copperback Mustang. That code was M8013U which is a Diamont/BASF color off their colorwheel. Add some red, play around a little, and you'll get close.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

love the photos!

[James OLC]

Well it’s been a while since I updated this post on our spring odyssey so I thought I would do a quick update before I head down to Salinas for another weekend of development, tuning, track time and (hopefully) fun.

As most everybody knows in mid-May we ran the Nevada Open Road Challenge. The infamous Steven Rupp was navigator for our 90 mile blast down Nevada Highway 318 while Dave and Mary Pozzi kept us on the straight and narrow for the weekend – providing invaluable tuning, guidance and moral support.

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We completed in the Optima Batteries Half Mile and High Noon Shootouts for fun and on Sunday we finished 4th in our class – 0.37 seconds off of our target time – not bad for a couple of rookies… I won’t repost everything about the event, but do want to say thank you once more to OPTIMA Batteries for sponsoring us in the event and to David and Mary for their help – we couldn’t have done it without them. If you’re interested the complete story of our weekend is here… 2009 Nevada Open Road Challenge - it's official - After Race Report (https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55286)

[James OLC]

After the Silver State Classic event our next stop was the Goodguys Rod & Custom event in Pleasanton, CA. This was going to be our first autocross since adding the rear sway bar, increasing the spring rate on all four corners and tweaking the brake bias so we were cautiously optimistic that we were heading in the right direction.

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When the dust cleared on Sunday we (both the car and the driver) were both showing improvement – running a low 37 second lap which put us less than a second behind Mary’s winning time in her ’73. We also identified a couple of more places where we can get more out of the car… we’re still pushing in the corners and will increase the rear bar rate to get the car to (hopefully) respond a bit better. We’ve also got too much front brake which is in turn putting too much weight on the front and making the push worse… we’re going to swap master cylinders to try go increase the rear bias. It’s also time to do something about the tuning in the car… Painless has helped us out with a closed loop tune for the MEFI4B and we need to get the idle sorted out before we all lose our minds… it’s been nearly a year… it’s time.

We have also (we think) made some headway with our other ECU related issues and will put our theory to the test next week. If we’re right we should make some power and might have solved our engine cutout problem – we’ll see in a few days.

Next weekend were heading for the American Autocross Series event in Marina, California. David and I will be putting the car through its paces on an autocross course that should give us some running room and really let us see how close we are getting on our setup.

[78 Type-LT]

That is sexy..

[Damn True]

David and James,

Trying to wrap my head around the suspension adjustments made this weekend.

If I understand correctly, the last and most impactful adjustment was to raise the rear roll center. Am I correct in assuming that by doing so, you reduce the length of the "arm" imparting roll into the chassis and thus decrease the roll input or does this increase the "roll rate"?

Is this preferable to increasing spring rate or compression damping as a means of maintaining compliance?

Under what circumstances would you want more spring or more damping in the rear?

[Damn True]

David & James ^^^



BTW David....I heard what you are working on there in your weird science lab. Sounds like something I'd like to see.

When you get a second though, could you post some photos of the rear bar installed on James' car so I can print for reference?

[James OLC]

Well I have been negligent in updating our California adventures since getting back from Marina last week (it sucks when the real world gets in the way) but it was such as blast that I have to take a few minutes to look back on the weekend. It was one of those “working” race weekends that can be both frustrating and rewarding at the same time – fortunately this one ended up being both. With the help of David and Mary we have made great strides in getting the OneLapCamaro closer to being right but going into the weekend we were still fighting an understeer ‘problem’ and were chasing our 60 mph vibration. We also wanted to play with the fuel injection – maybe convert the calibration over to closed loop – and take care of some charging issues that could have been the source of our 149 mph “issue”. We were also trying to play with the brake bias to get a better balance and take some weight off the front end under braking.

Wednesday and most of Thursday was spent switching the rear brake and clutch master cylinders. The clutch was a ¾” bore while the brakes (both front and rear) were 7/8” bore; by switching the two we hoped to get more rear brake bias and maybe help the TOB a bit. After bleeding the brakes and slave we road tested the car on a cruise through Carmel Valley to a local cruise night at the Baja Cantina which is a really cool spot that was really hopping – especially with the GP in town for the weekend. Best part was a nice 80 mile cruise on a beautiful Thursday evening.

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Friday was spent trying to isolate some charging issues and some minor rewiring. I tried a couple of different calibrations but couldn’t get the car to idle without hunting in closed loop so we stuck with the original setup – hoping to get some time with a knowledgeable tuner some time in the near future.

Saturday morning it was up bright and early and off to the Marina Airport to run with the American Autocross Series. Mary led the way on a typical overcast morning on the peninsula…

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I had known going into the weekend that we were up against some still competition – running in the C Prepared class. As one of only two cars in the class on street tires it was immediately apparent that we were up against some stiff competition. The class was dominated by early Camaros and Mustangs which were built to do not much more than dominate autocrosses. Amongst our competition was TAZ – the awesome ’67 Camaro featured by Steve in Camaro Performers a couple of months ago – who was typical of the cars in the class – 2,100ish lbs, huge fender flares to accommodate 13” slicks front and rear, and a gnarly sounding small block. VERY COOL!

The great thing for us was that our goal was to sort the suspension out first and have fun second. The great thing about the American Autocross Series is that you can get a ton of runs in and can have multiple drivers. On Saturday David and I shared the driving duties – making 5 runs each in the morning and afternoon. At one point we were hot lapping the Camaro so quickly that we weren’t even shutting the car down between runs – one of us would hop out, we would check tire pressure and the other would hop in to get buckled up to make a run.

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In the morning, we started with no major changes besides the brakes which proved to be a great improvement. The pedal was still really stiff but we were finally able to get a very good balance between the front and the rear and it really helped to eliminate most of our issues while braking before coming into the corners. The car was still understeering badly with the front tires chattering badly in the sharper turns. At lunch we decided it was time to play with the rear sway bar (which David had modified to be adjustable) and upped the rear rate.

Heading out in the afternoon the difference was immediately evident – a bunch of understeer was gone but now the rear end was ‘a touch on the free side’. With the front end behaving better I eventually got myself into trouble, looping the car in what was looking like a great run (ok – the first couple of turns were going great – but it was there). The back end was just so free that the least amount of throttle would get you really out of shape. Making matters worse, as the day warmed up (and due to the fact that we were keeping the car running almost all the time) the engine temps were rising, hovering around 200 degrees. Not enough to be worried about, but enough to cause some detonation when combined with the ‘high octane’ California premium unleaded. With the GP going on that day, Laguna was not an option for getting some race gas. Fortunately MuscleCarJohn came to the rescue with 5 gallons of 110 octane low lead (thanks again John!) and we were able to blend and solve that problem.

Saturday night was frustrating as we discussed what we needed to do to get the car sorted. I was frustrated at my driving – which I thought was getting better but the spin had killed most of my confidence – and we were all frustrated at the car. We went to bed with no obvious solution.

[James OLC]

Sunday morning was another early start. Just as we were getting ready to hit the road and head to the airport, David suggests changing the mounting point for the Watts Link – raising it up one position. His thought was that the roll center for the first gen was fairly high on the front (seemingly much higher than Mary’s second gen) and that maybe by raising the roll center in the back the car would be better balanced. The change took about 10 minutes and then we were off.

Sunday we were running the course in the opposite direction as we had on Saturday and I was first up. I got down the first stretch of zig zags and came into the first long 180 degree sweeper – our nemesis the day before - and as I accelerated out I think I probably shouted a little Woo Hoo as the car rotated like never before and practically shot out of the turn. There was still a little bit of understeer but nothing like the day before and best of all, the rear end was no longer loose. One bolt – 10 minutes – and it was like being in another car.

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Once again we were hot lapping the car but this time every run was better and better for everyone. I admit that I looped the car again, this time in the final 180 degree sweeper, but it was my own fault – I had gone through the slalom at nearly 60 mph and had neglected to get the car adequately whoa’d up in the turn and when it got out of shape I tried to power through it and lost the battle.

In the afternoon Mary and I were taking turns in the car and, as before, were getting faster as the day went on. On one of the last runs of the day Mary went around the course, finished what was her best run of the day, and immediately pulled back up to the staring line. She was nodding her head and shaking her fist and when the flag dropped she was off on an even better pass. When she got back she got into the staging lane so we could make our last switch of the day… “I got this thing figured out!” she exclaimed, “there’s a 41 in it – go get it.” Well, I’m obviously no Mary and I didn’t get the 41 but I did get a rewarding 42 and change for my best of the day.

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Then the dust settled on Sunday it was a completely different story than the day before. The car was working well and we had learned a ton. We made great improvements and ultimately were mid pack in C Prepared – turning faster times than some of the cars that had seemed so ominous the day before. All told we made 40 passes with the car and opened the hood twice – both time more out of a sense of duty than a real need. Mechanically the car performed flawlessly and the handling and setup was coming our way. There’s more there and we’re already chasing it…

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As always, thank you so much to Dave and Mary. Thanks to John for the gas - it was great to meet you and see your garage! True – it was a pleasure to finally meet you, hopefully we can get together again next time I come down.

That’s all for now – the adventure will continue next month (I hope) when the AAS returns to Marina…

[James OLC]

Some YouTube Videos…

Saturday Roof Mount
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Saturday SplitterVision
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Sunday Mounted on the Side
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Sunday SplitterVision
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[David Pozzi]

David and James,

Trying to wrap my head around the suspension adjustments made this weekend.

If I understand correctly, the last and most impactful adjustment was to raise the rear roll center. Am I correct in assuming that by doing so, you reduce the length of the "arm" imparting roll into the chassis and thus decrease the roll input or does this increase the "roll rate"?

Is this preferable to increasing spring rate or compression damping as a means of maintaining compliance?

Under what circumstances would you want more spring or more damping in the rear?

True,
Raising the watts pivot increases cornering load transfer from the inside tire to outside tire on the rear, while increasing roll stiffness in the rear. It's pretty much the same as a larger rear bar would do. A side effect is, more "jacking" from cornering loads on that end. It's similar to anti-squat in the front to rear direction on a 3 link, - more anti-squat prevents rear squat on acceleration, - a higher watts pivot creates more jacking effect which makes the rear stiffer when cornering.

So, the higher the watts, the more roll stiffness, more weight transfer inside to outside, more jacking effect.

I like to spring the car for proper amounts of front end rise/dive, and rear rise/squat when on and off the power. Then use sway bars to reduce body roll and get handling balance. The shocks slow down chassis movement, and increase weight transfer as you go stiffer. Too soft, and your chassis flops left right and up down. Too stiff and the chassis skates and skitters around.

[Damn True]

So going with a stiffer spring would achieve largely the same result but at the cost of compliance?

[David Pozzi]

Yes but it would take a lot more spring vs a little more bar. You get a lot more deflection out of a bar, one wheel goes up, the other side goes down, so the bar get's twisted much more than a spring would move. We changed the rear springs on Mary's camaro from 175 to 240, and it made very little change in handling balance, maybe 1 hole on the rear bar difference.

[Damn True]

Is a sway bar linear or progressive?

[David Pozzi]

Linear.

[James OLC]

So we're spending the holidays with David and Mary in sunny California (at this point, if it's not snowing it's close enough to being sunny for me) and trying to have some fun with the OLC while continuing on our development path. Hellwig was kind enough to build us some new sway bars which we have on the car now and on Christmas we started on some more mundane modifications...

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...preparing the car of the 2010 One Lap of America (in the long term) and a couple of local autocrossed in the short term.

Saturday we headed out to Marina to run with the Lockheed Sports Car Club in an entertaining but challenging autocross.

The day started out cold with low cload and rain threatening most of the day
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and eventually the rains did come
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Autocrossing in the rain... I think Mary said it best... I'm glad it's you and not me. Funny thing is though, I think all of our best times came in the rain
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[James OLC]

Mary was there - of course - in her '73

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As was our friend Linda
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[67 ls1 vert]

did you get good (drifting) in the rain?

[James OLC]

The rain wasn't all that bad until we left but it was enough to make it interesting. No issues at all - we were hooked up really well regardless of the conditions - but it sure made you think a little bit.

[James OLC]

some video...

SplitterVision - David driving
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a little bit higher perspective with me at the wheel
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and speaking of the wheel
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It was a fun day and the drive home in the rain made it all the more entertaining. We've still got some work to do on the car this week in preparation for our next autocross on January 1st - a new master for the rear brakes is waiting to be installed to fine tune the bias and I want to hook up the O2 sensors and tweak the ECM a touch... plus a little bit more adjustment on the suspension is coming.

But before we head to the track we're going to get some quality time in... Steve is heading down tomorrow and we're going to hit the highway and head down towards Big Sur and Hearst Castle. Should be a blast - we'll be in the Camaro, Steve will be cruising in the 2010 and Mary is still debating between the '73 and the '02...

[James OLC]

Well it's been a couple of weeks but I finally got a chance to edit some of the pictures and videos from the rest of the holiday festivities with the Camaro(s)...

After running at the Lockheed Sports Car Club annual Dyers Autocross in Marina (and the entertaining drive home in the rain) we cleaned the cars up and hooked up with Steve Rupp and his lovely wife for a cruise down the Pacific Coast Highway.

Mary, with David riding shotgun, led the way in her '73... here cutting through the Pebble Beach Golf Course on 17 Mile Drive
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with Steve following in Yancy's 2010...
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We had a couple of cool stops along the way
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Steve even took a couple of moments to do some business
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Awesome cruise and the three cars performed flawlessly. We made our way south through San Simeon (where we got a tour at the Hearst Castle) before settling down in Cambria (where we had a luxurious dinner with takeout from the only place that was open after 11 pm - the Liquor Store). One of the things that we did during the drive was test out the real time GPS tracking system that David and I will be using during the One Lap of America; it worked great and should be a lot of fun during the race - you can see a sample here (http://www.spotadventures.com/trip/view?trip_id=184719).

[James OLC]

After getting back from the cruise we took a day to recover and then got back on tweaking the OLC. We swapped out the rear master cylinder from 0.750" to 0.700" bore which we hoped would give us some badly needed rear brake bias. The Tilton pedal assembly has about 0.125" of bias adjustment and we were turned for maximum rear bias and only barely getting what we wanted. We also tweaked the rear bar some more, hoping to get more rotation and eliminate some of the push that was still hampering us. Hellwig built us some increadible new bars front and rear and thanks to the increast adjustability we were heading in the right direction.

January 1st we were on our way to Marina for the first autocross of the year with the Northern California UFO. We had high hopes that we were closing in on a near ideal setup but knew that the UFO course would be designed for cars a bunch smaller and nimbler than the '67.

The three of us were pretty much hotlapping the car of the morning - David, Mary, and I all took the car out for full session, running in Vintage Street Prepared. I took the first runs...
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and was really enouraged.
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David took the second round of runs and ran a 64.21...
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[James OLC]

pictures are nice, but video is always better....

SplitterVision with me at the wheel
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SplitterVision with David running the course
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Rooftop
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Fender
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At the end of the day we took three of the top four spots in VSP - Mary first with a 63.02, followed by David in second and me in 4th. The improvements were nothing short of amazing! We are really close on our setup now and are going to try a slightly softer front bar before adding some more rubber front and rear.

Thanks to David and Mary for their hospitality during the holidays! Debbie and I had a great time and it was great to be able to spend some time with friends!

[David Pozzi]

Tell Mary to quit beating me!

[Damn True]

Tell Mary to quit beating me!


Domestic violence.....so sad.

[monza]

Amazing!

[Jeffrotech]

Great stuff. Thanks for posting the videos.

Love the paint color, too.

[David Pozzi]

Here's OLC doing an autocross at Marina Airport Jan 31, 2010 Mary Pozzi driving.
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[TitoJones]

Holy sh*t! Was that in real time? That looked insane fast! Was she faster than you on that course? I'm guessing those new sway bars helped?

Tyler

[CarlC]

OLC must be working pretty good if you can't hear Mary's potty mouth!

Nice James.

[John Wright]

Holy sh*t! Was that in real time? That looked insane fast! Was she faster than you on that course? I'm guessing those new sway bars helped?

Tyler
Wow...that gal was flying!

[James OLC]

Yeah... the car is working Really well right now :)

David told me that his time was a 65.497 and Mary was 1.2 seconds faster - although David went out first thing in the morning when it was cooler and Mary had "warmer tires". Not bad considering these are the same tires that we started with and are nearly 3 years old now.

The new front bar seems to have helped a bunch - Hellwig built us a new hollow front bar with a slightly thinner wall and reduced the rate by about 10%. Next up is a wider rim and tire and we should be where we want to be with the suspension (from an autocross point of view). We'll have to try it on the road course to see if we need to make any other changes but I think that the three of us are pretty happy this morning.

We'll get David and Mary's opinions soon...

[James OLC]

Since this is about the fun continuing I thought I would post a couple of pics from last Tuesdays Hollywood premier of the OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car Invitational program which I am sure you all saw on SPEED TV over the weekend:

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It was a great event and we were honored to have been asked to attend!

Now, back to the action...

[chevyhector]

After filling the car with some 100 octane race fuel David took the first lap of the weekend in the ‘beginner’ group (sorry about that David)


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and came back with a big grin and suggested only a minor adjustment to the brake bias.

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I was up next and after getting settled in the car had only a brief moment of panic and frustration when, upon turning the key – absolutely nothing happened. After some quick diagnosis – made a bunch easier thanks to the self diagnostics of the ISIS system – found that I had knocked some relays loose when I was adjusting the brakes. The rest of the day was as close to “flawless” as I could have hoped.

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David and I continued to alternate sessions, making minor brake and ride height adjustments through the day (Mary thought the car looked like a “backwards stinkbug” when the front end came up onto the straightaway).

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The only hiccup for me occurred in the final session of the day – as I approached the rumble strips on the far end of the track the car ‘hesitated’ briefly; it wasn’t much but I pulled off a couple laps early to try to see if there was a problem. Nothing was obvious so we parked the car and called it a day.

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Where did you get those hood pins? Are they the Hotchkis pins? If not, can you please forward the link.

[James OLC]

Where did you get those hood pins? Are they the Hotchkis pins? If not, can you please forward the link.

They are from the Ring Brothers (http://www.ringbrothers.com)

[buickfunnycar.com]

OLC must be working pretty good if you can't hear Mary's potty mouth!

LOL...:yum:

[David Pozzi]

Early morning it was 37 degrees, got a bit warmer by 9am when I ran but it was in the 46 to 48 degrees I'd guess. First run had oversteer but as the tires warmed up the car was very neutral, didn't push unless I made it push. The tough set to do was the series of chicago boxes along the left side of the course. I didn't do them very well until my 3rd run, then it became easy. I just eased up a little and turned in slightly later which gave me more clearance to the cones. I also got better at looking ahead and getting a flow going. James, this was like the last autox you ran a similar series of boxes. Dennis came up and said the same stuff to me as last time, "you seem hesitant" I was for sure but figured it out this time. I did feel the engine laying down on the next to last straight, had 1/2 tank by the gage. I added 5 gal for Mary's run and she had no trouble.

[bonecrrusher]

Saw the challenge on Speed channel this weekend, looking good!

[David Pozzi]

Oh, Several people came by and said "Bad Penny" looked nice! We need a sign or something!
David

[James OLC]

lol - why do you have to be that way? I suppose that there are worst cars to be confused with... I think...

[bonecrrusher]

Might be the similiar color and both running LSx's..... LOL...

Car looks good, just checked out your site, I see you got your long block from w2w, I may be out of the loop, but have they been closed for like a year? Are they running a new shop?

Thanks,
Craig

[mpozzi]

Holy sh*t! Was that in real time? That looked insane fast! Was she faster than you on that course? I'm guessing those new sway bars helped?

Tyler

Yes, real time and after reviewing the footage, I was very slow in some of the sections. Left some time out there and was a bit tentative when I could have attacked more.

Got through those boxes very well.

Mary Pozzi