Traction bars that wont hurt handling?

[CamaroJesse]

Im looking for a type of traction device such as slide a links or cal tracs or anything else to stop my wheel hop but not hurt my handling. i have dse leafs and hps bilsteins in back and had terrible hop until i put on slapper bars. i hate the slapper bars though. what else is out there to stop the hop but allow me to still road race and aut x with them.

thanks
Jesse

[chicane67]

A correctly made rear spring that is designed and built to actually have a "traction bar" built into it... maybe ??

Traction bars hurt it not matter what the design is... that is an unfortunate byproduct of using them.

To bad your leafs were not designed to anything other than a "lowering spring." Not to mention... that they are a little light in rate for road racing and autoX...Your only other recourse is to have the spring re-built and have the second leaf modified for just this issue.

[CamaroJesse]

Well i bought the dse leafs because i thought they were among the best out there. and i could have sworn that they said NO WHEEL HOP. I was pretty upset to find out my car hopped this badly after spending the 3 or 400 hundred on leaf springs. if these are no good what can i switch them out with? i lik ehow low the car sits but if they dont work well id like to swap them out for something better. whats good?

[ZZ427]

I'm going that route, I would like to know as well what other options we have .

[chicane67]

I think that you actually have about three viable options at this point.

1. Rebuild the leaf spring that you have and keep the costs down...

2. Global West's CAT5 leafs...

3. Custom leafs.


Depending on the current leafs... I would have a new main and second leaf made... one, to increase the rate and two, to change the second leaf out to a better design... which will stop the wheel hop without question.

Or... to keep the cost down, especially if you are happy with the ride quality... just replace the second leaf to a better design for the wheel hop issue.

This should be able to be done locally... at a spring shop and I dont believe that it would really cost you all that much.

[CamaroJesse]

where would i go to have the main and the second re done? and what rate should i try to achieve?

[chicane67]

I'd call Konan Spring over in Schaumburg and start from there.

If they dont have any leads... maybe Heidt's in Wauconda has a line on who builds springs in your local area. If not... I'm pretty sure Chicago Spring and Bumper should be able to take care of you.


You will however... need an idea of what you want. It will look something like this on the front half of the spring:



Viola !! Instant traction bar... in stealth effect.

As far as spring rate... I believe all that I would do if I were you, is just have the second leaf made like the above picture. Specifically, the only difference will be in the front half of the spring... and the rear will remain the same length as it is on the exisiting leaf pack. The second leaf should be constructed in the same material thickness as it currently is. That will increase the rate effectively, very little... to keep your ride quality the same.

** Mind you that this specific design will only work with standard front spring eyes. With a center or reverse eye... it will be somewhat different. Obviously...


There has been a few discussions on this and other boards that deal with this very subject. Here are a couple in mind that cover this topic:

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ht=spring+wrap

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sh...ht=spring+wrap

[CamaroJesse]

Thats some great info! Theres a place called spring-align out of palatine. ill give them a call and see if they can help. They are right down the street from me. Hopefully they can do what i need. if not ill try out one of the places you suggested. I wish i had known this before i bought these junk DSE springs. Thats pretty cool that this is all i need to do to make it not hop anymore.

[David Pozzi]

Are you using spacers on your leaf springs? What shocks?
Have you talked with DSE?
Maybe something else is missing.
DSE has run a pretty good amount of horsepower through their springs with no issues, what's different with yours?
David

[68sixspeed]

Jesse- Dave has some good points- what's the rest of the setup- rear shocks, front springs/shocks, sway bar(s), etc.?

-Dan

[speED]

I agree, I have heard good things about DSE. Have you checked pinion angle???

[Roadrage David]

I run dse 2 inch drop leaf springs 1/2 inch drop plates. slide a link tracktion bars set on street mode . car has superb handling no wheel hop at all, having said that i run the dse mini tub kit as wel with 315 tires. just tested the car in a Time atack event.

[HILROD]

I upgraded my Hotchkiss springs, to DSE just to get rid of wheelhop. While it might have BARELY lessened, it did not stop. I have tried a few different shocks. It only happens on heavy acceleration. I'm minitubbed, lowered and run a rear bar, so my options are slim for bolt on devices. I'd rather not up the rear spring rate too much with the sway bar I'm running. I have a small bolt on deal that again lessens the hop now, but I think since I have a spring shop very local I'll give this a shot.

[CamaroJesse]

My setup up front (was) hotckis springs bilstein hps shocks but now im going to global west uppers and lowers, coil overs, and ats tall spindles. My setup out back is dse 3 inch lowering springs, bilstein hps shocks set up in back of the rear end, mini tubbed, no sway bar. no spacers.

[Lowend]

Are your rear shocks staggered or on the same side of the axle? If they are not staggered it could be contributing to the issue. Do you know your shocks are long enough... will the rear off the ground can the springs hang without bottoming out the shocks?
I would have a look at pinion angle as well.
You shouldn't be having huge traction issues with that setup.

[CamaroJesse]

I had the pinion angle set by a chassis shop so i would assume that is correct. The shocks are both on the rear of the axle and if the rear of the car is lifted the shocks do not bottom out. i thought it might be because of the way the shocks are set up but ive seen them set up like this on other cars.

[79T/Aman]

also what type of rear end do you have, open, locker limited slip?

[Lowend]

The first thing I would do is stagger the shocks. While it's not an end all be all it will help a lot.

[CamaroJesse]

i have a standard posi rear. im about to call dse to see if they have any ideas.

[CamaroJesse]

I just got off the phone with DSE. They said that the way my shocks are set up shouldnt be the problem. Hes betting that its the crappy radial ta tires i have on there. He said that id be surprised what some 18's will do for me. problem is, i cant afford 18's. So i guess the trac bars will stay on for now.