View Full Version : Ran into a 2010 SS camaro today...
rogue
03-01-2009, 08:29 PM
Kinda cool. first production model I've seen on the streets...
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Pullled up my car side by side to check them out together
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Damn True
03-01-2009, 08:31 PM
Love it, love it, love it......both cars.
Surprised they only put a 245 tire on it though....yeesh. But maaaaaaaaaaaaaan the interior looks great!!!!
Ishmael
03-01-2009, 08:33 PM
I'd rather have the 69.
Steve1968LS2
03-01-2009, 08:35 PM
Actually it's still a pre-production model.. a test mule if you like.
Think of them as "practice Camaros" lol
rogue
03-01-2009, 08:38 PM
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rogue
03-01-2009, 08:40 PM
Actually it's still a pre-production model.. a test mule if you like.
Think of them as "practice Camaros" lol
yeah the guy was an automotive journalist. The car is WAY too tight on the inside. GM tried way to hard to make it feel like a cockpit.
Makes our cars seem like Cadillacs inside as far as roominess
JEFFTATE
03-01-2009, 08:55 PM
Looks Good !
Mr.VENGEANCE
03-01-2009, 09:05 PM
ill take one of each please..
thetoystore
03-01-2009, 10:02 PM
i wonder if you can buy those wheels?
Yelcamino
03-02-2009, 03:39 AM
i'd rather have the 69.
x2.
Restomod
03-02-2009, 04:45 AM
x2.
X3 But I would rather have the 69 in a box!!!
Martin71RS
03-02-2009, 05:03 AM
yesterday I saw a new challenger and an original one. The new one was nice, but very "bulky", massive while the old one looked light and slim...don't know how to decribe it properly but looking at the Camaro pics I think the difference is less there.
Both Camaro's look great :smoke:
Roadrage David
03-02-2009, 05:47 AM
Martin i saw the same car yesterday and tought it lookt like a shoe box. its ugly as can be..................:machine::machine:
83hurstguy
03-02-2009, 06:07 AM
I sat in one at the Chicago auto show... the interior feels appropriate for a 1995 Hyundai... rest of the car wasn't bad, but I couldn't buy one with that interior in it. I was considering it...
great pics Rogue! The new car DOES look good but I'm still no fan of the bulky gauge cluster and what look like HVAC knobs.
Everytime I see your car Rogue, I think to myself "He's got a 502 in that thing!!" :)
Throttle
03-02-2009, 06:58 AM
Looks Good, but I cant wait till someone puts some good looking wheels and suspension on one, then it would look badarse.. :D
patriot68
03-02-2009, 07:20 AM
i think the dash is FUGLY
derekf
03-02-2009, 07:29 AM
How long before someone shoehorns the new Camaro interior into an old one?
BonzoHansen
03-02-2009, 07:32 AM
yesterday I saw a new challenger and an original one. The new one was nice, but very "bulky", massive while the old one looked light and slim...don't know how to decribe it properly but looking at the Camaro pics I think the difference is less there.
Both Camaro's look great :smoke:
I saw a new one and an old one parked next to each other last fall. The old challenger would fit inside the new one.
Nine Ball
03-02-2009, 07:40 AM
I ordered my 2010 SS back in November. It will be cyber gray with silver stripes, SS/RS of course. Yes, it will be raced and modded!
Tony_SS
03-02-2009, 08:32 AM
That console and dash look like an afterthought. I think the Challenger wins.
ProTouring442
03-02-2009, 08:38 AM
Some people just like to knock GM stuff I think. Let's face it, put Impala badges on a new Maybach and people would knock the interior and the fit and finish. :hand:
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
rogue
03-02-2009, 09:23 AM
yesterday I saw a new challenger and an original one. The new one was nice, but very "bulky", massive while the old one looked light and slim...don't know how to decribe it properly but looking at the Camaro pics I think the difference is less there.
Both Camaro's look great :smoke:
The challenger might as well be an SUV its so bloated. One thing I don't like that the manufacturers are trying too hard with the "chopped" look that started with the 300c and Charger. The doors end up being really tall.
rogue
03-02-2009, 09:24 AM
How long before someone shoehorns the new Camaro interior into an old one?
The First Gen interior is fifty times better and more comfortable than the new camaro. I felt insanely cramped in the car, to the point where I would not be able to drive it daily...
Damn True
03-02-2009, 09:25 AM
Some people just like to knock GM stuff I think. Let's face it, put Impala badges on a new Maybach and people would knock the interior and the fit and finish. :hand:
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
Winner.
If I hear another "they should'a made it look more like a '69" I'm gonna barf. Geez....if you want a '69 go freakin buy one. Evolve a bit.
TonyL
03-02-2009, 09:50 AM
Looks Good, but I cant wait till someone puts some good looking wheels and suspension on one, then it would look badarse.. :D
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Wait no more.
trapin
03-02-2009, 09:58 AM
yeah the guy was an automotive journalist. The car is WAY too tight on the inside. GM tried way to hard to make it feel like a cockpit.
Makes our cars seem like Cadillacs inside as far as roominess
I don't know about that. I drove an SS back in December and I thought the interior room was sufficient. And I'm built like Shrek. The only thing I didn't like was the headroom with the sunroof. I had to bend my head slightly and lean the chair way back. I hope the non-sunroof model has more headroom. I plan to buy one for my next vehicle when my wife's Outlook is paid off in 3 years. If the non-sunroof model is not much better, I will have to pass. And that'll be too bad.
Bishop73
03-02-2009, 10:31 AM
I saw one this past Friday, and I was not impressed with it. I am glad I ended up buying a G8.
BonzoHansen
03-02-2009, 11:30 AM
Winner.
If I hear another "they should'a made it look more like a '69" I'm gonna barf. Geez....if you want a '69 go freakin buy one. Evolve a bit.
:1st:
TA219
03-02-2009, 05:27 PM
I am digging everything except for the interior... :(
I want to like it soooo bad, but those gauges just look cheap and the all grey interior reminds me of my 97 TransAm, which I hated. I thought I died and went to heaven when I bought my 00 Tahoe because the interior was so much nicer, and then it got even better when I bought my 04 GTO.... I dont know if I can live with a plain interior again.
As for the comments on the Challengers, I have to admit that we bought one for my wife and It is a big car, the interior feels huge, but not cheap. That damn car gets more attention than anything I have ever owned! I have been holding on to the GTO in anticipation of the new Camaro, maybe that orange interior trim option will help the interior out :)
Restomod
03-02-2009, 05:41 PM
Winner.
If I hear another "they should'a made it look more like a '69" I'm gonna barf. Geez....if you want a '69 go freakin buy one. Evolve a bit.
They should'a made it look more like a 69! But at least they could have come a little closer.......:enguard:
Joey_H
03-02-2009, 06:19 PM
Man that's way cool!
Damn True
03-03-2009, 08:40 AM
I am digging everything except for the interior... :(
I want to like it soooo bad, but those gauges just look cheap and the all grey interior reminds me of my 97 TransAm, which I hated. I thought I died and went to heaven when I bought my 00 Tahoe because the interior was so much nicer, and then it got even better when I bought my 04 GTO.... I dont know if I can live with a plain interior again.
As for the comments on the Challengers, I have to admit that we bought one for my wife and It is a big car, the interior feels huge, but not cheap. That damn car gets more attention than anything I have ever owned! I have been holding on to the GTO in anticipation of the new Camaro, maybe that orange interior trim option will help the interior out :)
Ya know....when the photos of the Chally started circulating, the ones in orange, I hated it. I thought it looked TOO MUCH like the original but somehow....overinflated. Too bulbous and just big. I still think it looks too much like the original, but having seen a few in person now and in a couple of different colors it is starting to grow on me. In black or silver it is really quite a good looking car. Orange.....not so much.
Bigblue73
03-03-2009, 09:06 AM
What I like is the size. The new Challenger is huge when sitting next to the old. I agree with the statement on the interior, very nice.
moreHP
03-03-2009, 09:43 AM
I still like it! I do not like the steering wheel one bit though. But the dash doesnt bother me or the center console. That steering wheel would have to go, if possible since it has controls and stuff in it.
Roger M
03-03-2009, 09:52 AM
IMHO it looks pretty generic. The interior is bulbus and bland looking. I'm sure with some decent wheels(read:aftermarket) and tires, along with a lower ride height, it will look alot better. The Nickey renderings that I've seen look real nice.
I don't think the new Camaro or Challenger look any better than the current Mustang.
fantasygoat
03-03-2009, 11:41 AM
Both the Challenger and Camaro will do well with a good 3" drop. They look like 4x4s now!
Throttle
03-03-2009, 05:18 PM
These cars look good..
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83hurstguy
03-04-2009, 06:09 AM
Some people just like to knock GM stuff I think. Let's face it, put Impala badges on a new Maybach and people would knock the interior and the fit and finish. :hand:
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
I wanted to buy a new Camaro until I sat in it... my '04 Mustang has much nicer interior... and it has the standard cloth seats without any real upgrades. Heck, I consider the 4th gen's nicer than the inside of this one...
I sure don't want it to look like a '69 Camaro inside... hell, I think they tried way too hard to make it that way, and screwed up. The square gauges on a curvy dashboard with nothing to accent it or break up the monotony of its curving plastic is just hideous.
I used to be a "nothing but GM" guy... not anymore. The new Mustang is growing on me too, though I am not the biggest fan of the back end... was looking at the convertible GT they had flipped on it's side at the show... the interior was very neat, whole car put a smile on my face...
streetk14
03-04-2009, 05:02 PM
Looks just like the one I saw down the street from my work at this place that tests new cars of all makes and models. I'm not sure the name of the company, but there are always cars parked in their lot that are not being sold yet.
Anyways, they had 2 of them at this place and I was able to give them a good inspection. There was a black SS model with auto trans a cloth interior & 20" wheels that looks identical to the one in the pics. Then there was a silver V6 model with a leather interior, also with an automatic.
The SS looked nice, but I was amazed at how shrunk-down the side windows were (almost like the top was chopped) and how small the back seat looked. I also thought they could have made the stance a little more aggressive (think BMW M3), it looked to sit a little high all around in my opinion. But overall a nice looking car and one that I would consider driving some day. But there is no way I'd buy a new Chevrolet product with the way they typically depreciate. I'd let someone else take the big hit and get a low-mileage used one in a couple years for a lot less.
minendrews68
03-04-2009, 05:14 PM
I like most of it...just don't know about that steering wheel.
73z-6sp
03-05-2009, 03:23 AM
i think the dash is FUGLY
I heard that! I'm just not digging the car much. Maybe it will grow on me.
CanAmNova
03-05-2009, 09:32 PM
If the people on this website don't like this car, then perhaps the market for the moderately priced American V8 performance car is truly dead. Very sad...
LateNight72
03-05-2009, 10:06 PM
Some people just like to knock GM stuff I think. Let's face it, put Impala badges on a new Maybach and people would knock the interior and the fit and finish. :hand:
Shiny Side Up!
Bill
+1
That is all.
IBDMANN
03-05-2009, 10:15 PM
that car is awesome. seen one at the car show and it attracted a big crowd
Tony_SS
03-06-2009, 03:50 AM
If the people on this website don't like this car, then perhaps the market for the moderately priced American V8 performance car is truly dead. Very sad...
I don't think its horrible, just bland. The best way I can describe it overall is that it lacks any form of cohesive gestalt.
I've been a Chevy guy since before I learn to drive, and for the first time in my life, I'd buy a Mopar over one.
This just has it.
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YancyJohns
03-06-2009, 05:57 AM
Bill and I here in Detroit for AutoRama and Pre-Production Camaro's are all over the place. Bob Johnson got us in the Heritage collection, it was awesome. It was well worth the trip. They had one sitting outside, with a real vin# of 45, GM guy said the have 400 running around and he said they will be shipping Camaro's out next week. I can't wait till mine come in.
Cooper's 32' is out of this world, I can't say enough about Alan's work.. :hail:
Derek69SS
03-06-2009, 05:59 AM
This just has it.
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Except it's the size of a school bus... :enguard:
I love the Camaro, but the dash is a little bland. Steering wheel and gauges look fine to me, just the passenger side has nothing.
The Challenger, it actually kind of made sense to go full-retro on it, since there was only one style of them. Even in good economic conditions, this would be a 3-5 year design, most likely with nothing to follow it, since there's little room for change. Toward the end of the 3-5 years, they'll be adding horsepower and colors in order to keep selling new ones.
The Mustang IMHO painted themselves into a corner on the styling... they really can't do much to update their current design, and coming up with a new design to follow it will be very difficult. Who wants to buy a 2012 Mustang II ??? They'll have to go back to "modern" looking in the next generation, and I think it will be a tough sell after this design, since they changed their entire consumer base (from young kids and women, to middle aged men) getting those people that used to buy modern looking Mustangs back will be tough.
The Camaro evolved for 35 years, so taking a giant step back and cloning a 1st gen would have been a mistake, if they want to keep building the Camaro in the future. If this Camaro return is a 3-5 year thing with no intention to keep going beyond that, then it probably would have worked well for them. I'm hoping this design was "planned obsolescence" in order to keep building them for many years to come. They built a car they could continue to make changes to, to keep selling them later.
IMHO, most of the internet critics of any of these cars only think about what they want right now with no thought put into what it will take to keep selling them in the future. They want you to like this style, but they want you to like the next one even better, so you trade it in for a new one.
Damn True
03-06-2009, 08:52 AM
Except it's the size of a school bus... :enguard:
I love the Camaro, but the dash is a little bland. Steering wheel and gauges look fine to me, just the passenger side has nothing.
The Challenger, it actually kind of made sense to go full-retro on it, since there was only one style of them. Even in good economic conditions, this would be a 3-5 year design, most likely with nothing to follow it, since there's little room for change. Toward the end of the 3-5 years, they'll be adding horsepower and colors in order to keep selling new ones.
The Mustang IMHO painted themselves into a corner on the styling... they really can't do much to update their current design, and coming up with a new design to follow it will be very difficult. Who wants to buy a 2012 Mustang II ??? They'll have to go back to "modern" looking in the next generation, and I think it will be a tough sell after this design, since they changed their entire consumer base (from young kids and women, to middle aged men) getting those people that used to buy modern looking Mustangs back will be tough.
The Camaro evolved for 35 years, so taking a giant step back and cloning a 1st gen would have been a mistake, if they want to keep building the Camaro in the future. If this Camaro return is a 3-5 year thing with no intention to keep going beyond that, then it probably would have worked well for them. I'm hoping this design was "planned obsolescence" in order to keep building them for many years to come. They built a car they could continue to make changes to, to keep selling them later.
IMHO, most of the internet critics of any of these cars only think about what they want right now with no thought put into what it will take to keep selling them in the future. They want you to like this style, but they want you to like the next one even better, so you trade it in for a new one.
Ding, ding, ding!
Winner.
CanAmNova
03-06-2009, 10:17 AM
Except it's the size of a school bus... :enguard:
I love the Camaro, but the dash is a little bland. Steering wheel and gauges look fine to me, just the passenger side has nothing.
The Challenger, it actually kind of made sense to go full-retro on it, since there was only one style of them. Even in good economic conditions, this would be a 3-5 year design, most likely with nothing to follow it, since there's little room for change. Toward the end of the 3-5 years, they'll be adding horsepower and colors in order to keep selling new ones.
The Mustang IMHO painted themselves into a corner on the styling... they really can't do much to update their current design, and coming up with a new design to follow it will be very difficult. Who wants to buy a 2012 Mustang II ??? They'll have to go back to "modern" looking in the next generation, and I think it will be a tough sell after this design, since they changed their entire consumer base (from young kids and women, to middle aged men) getting those people that used to buy modern looking Mustangs back will be tough.
The Camaro evolved for 35 years, so taking a giant step back and cloning a 1st gen would have been a mistake, if they want to keep building the Camaro in the future. If this Camaro return is a 3-5 year thing with no intention to keep going beyond that, then it probably would have worked well for them. I'm hoping this design was "planned obsolescence" in order to keep building them for many years to come. They built a car they could continue to make changes to, to keep selling them later.
IMHO, most of the internet critics of any of these cars only think about what they want right now with no thought put into what it will take to keep selling them in the future. They want you to like this style, but they want you to like the next one even better, so you trade it in for a new one.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think that talented designers would have no problem evolving the designs of any of these cars for a next generation. Are you really saying that the early seventies Mustang had to stylistically evolve into the Mustang II? What if the gas crunch had never hit in the seventies and the muscle car era had just continued and evolved from the late sixties into the seventies. Those designs themes would have kept going and changing. It could be the same way with this new generation of cars, they can be altered and changed over time. Heck, they've already done it with the 2010 Mustang! They changed it just enough to freshen the design and make it desirable to a new set of buyers. Why couldn't this be done for the Challenger and the Camaro as well? Besides, a lot of iconic cars from the past got that way because they changed very little over the years, some examples: VW Beetle, Mini Cooper, 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebird (ran for 11 years), '87-'93 Mustang (six years with almost no changes at all).
If I may stir the pot a little further, I think that a lot of the people that are putting these new cars down have short memories. I grew up in the seventies and eighties. I remember when the Camaro and Mustang were OK cars, but they always had major flaws. First you couldn't get a manual with the Camaro, then you couldn't get it with the TPI 350. The Mustang always had crappy brakes, it didn't even have disc brakes on the back. Oh and let's remember that all through the eighties these cars only put out less than 250 HP. Don't even get me started on the Challenger and Charger in the eighties with their fwd and four cylinders. The nineties saw some improvements in the Camaro and Mustang but they still had some major flaws. The Camaro suffered from a bland design IMO, not to mention a huge hump in the passenger foot well for the cat--who's brilliant idea was that one? The Mustang's handleing left a lot to be desired. Anyway, my point is that I'm thrilled to see this new generation of muscle cars! They are really what I've been waiting for for many years--cars with great handleing, great brakes, powerfull engines, great styling--really what else do we want? There is not going to be a perfect car out there, it's never going to happen. There will always be small compromises, but I think that there are very few compromises with any of this new batch of muscle cars. Besides do we really want something so watered down that it pleases everyone all the time?
moreHP
03-06-2009, 01:22 PM
I hear you on the new muscle thing! I was really happy that the big 3 were going to start making "hot rods" again. Especially since I wasnt around for the first go around of muscle cars. Then the economy takes a giant dive and the wars over before it began. I can count on one hand how many challengers I have seen on the road since they came out. There are lots of mustangs out there, but most are the V6 version. I hope the camaro sells well. I know I would sure like to buy one!
Tony_SS
03-06-2009, 01:38 PM
First off, it's not my job to sell cars. That's GM's. I'm the customer, so I can be an internet critic.
Anyway, you know what they say about opinions... here are mine:
The interior looks bland, and really cramped. This exterior styling is mediorcre at best. Overall, styling-wise, I give the production model an F for lack of execution. Its up ends being a tron-like representation of a first gen, with an awkward front and rear-end.
Camaro's will always have their base, and I think those folks are satisfied with the outcome. But I doubt they'll bring many new customers into the fold, much other brand loyalists over to Chevys side with that Camaro.
The Challenger, IMO, captures the essence of a modern classic. They didn't try to reinvent the wheel.. the just played the winning hand. Sure, they're big, but so were the originals.
I've always been a GM guy, and I want them to succeed.. but I just don't think its gonna happen if this is their answer. But I'm glad to see them trying at least.
69496
03-06-2009, 01:46 PM
I agree with the last couple of posts. Remember what they were producing in the 80's and 90's. I also waited and waited for something decent to come along. The fox body mustangs and 3rd generation camaros where ok but nothing to write home about. To me we have had a huge jump in styling and performance with the arrival of the new mustangs, challengers and now camaros. Could they be better, ofcourse. We will never have a car that everyone will love but the point I am trying to make is there is a big effort being made to produce better modern day muscle cars. Unfortunatly with todays economics this may be a short lived revival. I have a gut feeling the cars we love will become dinosaurs once again in the neer future. But atleast we will have some on the road and can hot rod and modify them for years to come wether or not they keep making them
CanAmNova
03-06-2009, 03:22 PM
First off, it's not my job to sell cars. That's GM's. I'm the customer, so I can be an internet critic.
Anyway, you know what they say about opinions... here are mine:
The interior looks bland, and really cramped. This exterior styling is mediorcre at best. Overall, styling-wise, I give the production model an F for lack of execution. Its up ends being a tron-like representation of a first gen, with an awkward front and rear-end.
Camaro's will always have their base, and I think those folks are satisfied with the outcome. But I doubt they'll bring many new customers into the fold, much other brand loyalists over to Chevys side with that Camaro.
The Challenger, IMO, captures the essence of a modern classic. They didn't try to reinvent the wheel.. the just played the winning hand. Sure, they're big, but so were the originals.
I've always been a GM guy, and I want them to succeed.. but I just don't think its gonna happen if this is their answer. But I'm glad to see them trying at least.
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think the styling of the new Camaro is outstanding! I don't see the interior as bland at all. I like the way the dash blends into the door panels. The gauges, center console, and steering wheel are anything but bland. Bland as compared to what? Seriously.
As for the exterior treatment, well with the Camaro we don't have the slab sided treatment that the Challenger got (although I like the way the new Challenger looks too). There are the same signature bulges over the rear wheel openings that the 1st gen has that give the car that muscular, hunkered down look. The rear view looks fantastic to me. It has a nice connection to the Corvette with the tail lights and we finally have a real trunk instead of a hatchback. Of all of the features of the new Camaro I can see the front as being the most polarizing. I guess it's a like it or hate it design, but I applaud GM for giving us a design with a little risk taking to it. I just can't understand someone calling the design mediocre. Mediocre as compared to what other car? It in many ways the new Camaro's design is a lot edgier than the new Corvette's--is that mediocre as well? What other car even remotely close to the new Camaro's price range has a design that is dramatically better?
Mr.VENGEANCE
03-06-2009, 03:59 PM
om NOM NOM NOM NOM...
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LateNight72
03-06-2009, 04:20 PM
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think that talented designers would have no problem evolving the designs of any of these cars for a next generation. Are you really saying that the early seventies Mustang had to stylistically evolve into the Mustang II? What if the gas crunch had never hit in the seventies and the muscle car era had just continued and evolved from the late sixties into the seventies. Those designs themes would have kept going and changing. It could be the same way with this new generation of cars, they can be altered and changed over time. Heck, they've already done it with the 2010 Mustang! They changed it just enough to freshen the design and make it desirable to a new set of buyers. Why couldn't this be done for the Challenger and the Camaro as well? Besides, a lot of iconic cars from the past got that way because they changed very little over the years, some examples: VW Beetle, Mini Cooper, 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebird (ran for 11 years), '87-'93 Mustang (six years with almost no changes at all).
If I may stir the pot a little further, I think that a lot of the people that are putting these new cars down have short memories. I grew up in the seventies and eighties. I remember when the Camaro and Mustang were OK cars, but they always had major flaws. First you couldn't get a manual with the Camaro, then you couldn't get it with the TPI 350. The Mustang always had crappy brakes, it didn't even have disc brakes on the back. Oh and let's remember that all through the eighties these cars only put out less than 250 HP. Don't even get me started on the Challenger and Charger in the eighties with their fwd and four cylinders. The nineties saw some improvements in the Camaro and Mustang but they still had some major flaws. The Camaro suffered from a bland design IMO, not to mention a huge hump in the passenger foot well for the cat--who's brilliant idea was that one? The Mustang's handleing left a lot to be desired. Anyway, my point is that I'm thrilled to see this new generation of muscle cars! They are really what I've been waiting for for many years--cars with great handleing, great brakes, powerfull engines, great styling--really what else do we want? There is not going to be a perfect car out there, it's never going to happen. There will always be small compromises, but I think that there are very few compromises with any of this new batch of muscle cars. Besides do we really want something so watered down that it pleases everyone all the time?
This is the next mustang. :barf: Not sure I consider it "Eye-pleasing"
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
CanAmNova
03-06-2009, 05:03 PM
This is the next mustang. :barf: Not sure I consider it "Eye-pleasing"
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
I call BS on that one, that's a picture of a concept car and is NOT the next Mustang. It may contain some styling cues of the next car but is not the next gen car. Here's some pics of the real 2010 GT500. Are you really saying that if someone threw you the keys to that thing that you'd throw 'em back?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
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BonzoHansen
03-06-2009, 05:17 PM
I don't think its horrible, just bland. The best way I can describe it overall is that it lacks any form of cohesive gestalt.
I've been a Chevy guy since before I learn to drive, and for the first time in my life, I'd buy a Mopar over one.
This just has it.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
IMO that car looks better in pics than in person. In person its sheer size and the flat sided design all the chryslers have kind of weaken the package.
rogue
03-06-2009, 05:47 PM
IMO that car looks better in pics than in person. In person its sheer size and the flat sided design all the chryslers have kind of weaken the package.
100% agree. The new challenger is a monster of a car. Huge proportions. Looks much better in pictures
Damn True
03-06-2009, 06:49 PM
IMO that car looks better in pics than in person. In person its sheer size and the flat sided design all the chryslers have kind of weaken the package.
IMO it looks better in almost every color but that orange as well. It just looks bulbous and huge in orange. Much better in black or silver.
Tony_SS
03-06-2009, 07:00 PM
I'm judging the Camaro based on the images from the OP, not on the staged, doctored ones. Maybe my opinion would change when I see it in person, but for now I still think it's awkward and outside of the gauges, the interior is uninteresting.
I have seen an orange Challenger in person and it is by all means the ONLY car that can pull of orange.
Vegas69
03-06-2009, 07:01 PM
The first time I walked up on a Challenger I wondered if it was built on the Ram chassis. LOL It's a boat but it does look cool going down the road. It's just not a show car. Guy said my car looked like the new challenger the other day. What a back handed compliment.
LateNight72
03-06-2009, 07:14 PM
I have seen an orange Challenger in person and it is by all means the ONLY car that can pull of orange.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i22/bdaleycpa/ZR1%20DePaula%20110408/DSCN2278.jpg?t=1236395620
southernfriedcj
03-07-2009, 12:15 PM
The '69 is pure awesomeness!
I wouldn't take the 2010 for free. I'd rather have a new Challenger.
muthstryker
03-07-2009, 12:30 PM
Going to go off the beatin path with this one. I would take both of them. I dont mind either one they both are cool.
go-fish
03-07-2009, 03:53 PM
That interior is retarded.
CRCRFT78
03-07-2009, 08:00 PM
In my opinion, those that have been around to enjoy the original Camaro will never fully respect the new Camaro. Call it age, experience or whatever else but they will always defer back to a first gen. I wasn't around to enjoy all the hype of the ponycar wars therefore I have no ties to a first gen. I think GM could've stepped up a little better but I like it. I also like the Challengers but after seeing one in person you just can't deny how huge that car is.
69 Camaros are overrated musclecars just like 64 Impalas are overrated lowriders. To each his own. At least there was some effort put forth. I don't see alot of critics producing their own version of the "perfect" musclecar for the masses.
Northern Goat
03-07-2009, 09:10 PM
Not sure of this is old news but here is a price list for the new Camaro.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8239
LateNight72
03-07-2009, 09:11 PM
I call BS on that one, that's a picture of a concept car and is NOT the next Mustang. It may contain some styling cues of the next car but is not the next gen car. Here's some pics of the real 2010 GT500. Are you really saying that if someone threw you the keys to that thing that you'd throw 'em back?https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
Sorry, I copied the wrong IMG URL when I did the google search.
Anyhow, it's not really a new mustang at all. All they did was squish down the front a little. No thanks. :barf:
Vegas69
03-08-2009, 12:17 AM
In my opinion, those that have been around to enjoy the original Camaro will never fully respect the new Camaro. Call it age, experience or whatever else but they will always defer back to a first gen. I wasn't around to enjoy all the hype of the ponycar wars therefore I have no ties to a first gen. I think GM could've stepped up a little better but I like it. I also like the Challengers but after seeing one in person you just can't deny how huge that car is.
69 Camaros are overrated musclecars just like 64 Impalas are overrated lowriders. To each his own. At least there was some effort put forth. I don't see alot of critics producing their own version of the "perfect" musclecar for the masses.
Dude you should be banned for talking such crap about the best car ever produced. :1st:
69496
03-08-2009, 06:47 AM
My wife has a mustang GT. Great car, fun to drive but it definetely should have more power and the styling has lost some of its flavor to me. But overall still a great car. I would buy a challenger or a camaro for myself in a heartbeat. That being said I would rather have a 69 Camaro with the full PT treatment (LS engine, paddle shift and all the other goodies.) But after buying a 69 and after all the restoring and modifying you can bet I would of spent twice as much as what one of these cars cost. So looking at it that way these new cars are a great value.
CRCRFT78
03-08-2009, 08:14 AM
Dude you should be banned for talking such crap about the best car ever produced
:lmao::rotfl:
CanAmNova
03-08-2009, 07:44 PM
For those of us that are actually looking forward to the Camaro, I found this today on another site:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=325620#post325620
It's a sea of new Camaros!:headbang:
moreHP
03-09-2009, 07:31 AM
For those of us that are actually looking forward to the Camaro, I found this today on another site:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=325620#post325620
It's a sea of new Camaros!:headbang:
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!:bananna2::attn::woot:
bingham72
03-09-2009, 09:26 AM
For those of us that are actually looking forward to the Camaro, I found this today on another site:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=325620#post325620
It's a sea of new Camaros!:headbang:
That's great if you want it in Silver, Yellow, Black or Red. Are the cuts a GM so bad that you only have 4 color choices???
Damn True
03-09-2009, 09:38 AM
I swear. If these things were being sold for $10 someone would bitch about depreciation and resale value.
maldo
03-09-2009, 09:53 AM
I like if but, to tell you the truth i am not so crazy about the interior is it just me who thinks that it look cheap inside?
Tony_SS
03-09-2009, 11:36 AM
Whoa... who was in charge of making them in yellow. Yikes.
Danny Thomas
03-09-2009, 12:07 PM
Yea you either like it or you don't. I think it will allow some guys to join the muscle car scene without breaking the bank. My 67 has close to 80 plus thousand in it by the time it was finished. Yes its my pride and joy but the fact that I can get more bells and whistles in a new camaro is also exciting and far half the price and with a warranty. As for the interior.. some of the great interior shops can make it how you like. Give it time before the guage companies have something different to offer. Just like the mustang.. how many companies were at SEMA a few years back pushing aftermarket mods. I've seen the car in print and in person and it has potential. We just need to have some modified ones done before the final word is in. Just hope GM can hang on and keep producing the car. It's just a poor time to be introducing such a fine car. The market is not going to allow many who may want to buy, thanks to our government politics. Lets hope for the best with the car and to each and everyone of us who are trying to hold on.
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