Vocational school restoration

[tillman]

I am a vocational school teacher.My students have talked me into restoring my 1969 camaro as a school project.Keep watch for pics we will be starting on monday

[BMF Machine]

Sounds like a blast man, Hope it works out well and keep us posted!

[f1shman]

Sounds like something that the kids will probably be all over. Keep us updated!

[1971CHEVELLE]

Nice project keep us posted and good luck

[Motown 454]

You have some lucky students!

[tillman]

We are off to a good start

[TJTHOMPSON54]

wheres my picture mr. tillman?

[Munster]

wheres my picture mr. tillman?

Good way to get students involved. What all is in store for the car and the students.

[tillman]

I just wanted to say in advance Thanks for keeping all your post and future post family friendly.I have high school students and parents and my principal,watching the updates.
Its amazing once we started on the camaro I have had no discipline problems and attendance is up.

[brownz]

i wish my teacher had a cool project for us. but he did let me work on my camaro. have fun..

[1969CamaroRS]

Really cool. I'm student at a local community college doing my own restoration and taking classes. Great way to learn!

Definitely take a lot of pics, I bet you could get some car mags interested. *Hint* *Hint* Steve Rupp.

[Chevrolaine]

Cool! Drag Race High - cyber style!
Now we just need to find another competing school.

The real question is, are you gonna let all of them drive it at least once upon completion?:lurk:

[jy211]

what state has a cool class like this? My high school only had woodshop and metal shop!

[BMF Machine]

I went to Charles Allen Prosser VocationL SchooL in New Albany, IN. I think there was one in Louisville,KY. I would say every student, in the US, should have a Vocational School nearby? I learned a lot, had a ton of fun, now it is my career, and has been for 20 years. The young people working, on this CamarO, will never forget this BuilD.

ToO CooL!

[tillman]

Just a little about my program.We are locted in south Alabama(Mobile) most of my students are 15 to 18 years old and in the 9th to 12th grade.We built the engine two years ago.It runs 6.80 in the 8th and 6.18 on spray.and I drive it to the track 30 miles away.We only intended to fix the rust on the car,but one thing led to another.We are planing to put 29x12.5s or 29x18.5s on the rear.we will move the frame rails in and have not decided if we are going with coil overs or leaf springs and cal trax bars.the boy you see weld is only 15 years old and is really talented.I am lucky to have good students in my class.They really are good kidsand enjoy learning.
My pocket book is going to limit things we do to the car but I still think it will be cool when they get finished.
Laine o They ask me every day will I let them drive it when its finished and all I am promising is a ride.

[FirstGenZq8]

i admire you tillman. those kids will never forget your course. wish my high school had something like this long ago. looking forward to updates!

[SVTforme]

Great idea - and an excellent way to teach!

I remember I bought my '69 back in Grade 11 so I would have something to work on in automotive shop class. The knowledge I learned in that class you can't put a price on. The earlier you learn the things - the better.

[syborg tt]

Awesome Project Mr Tillman. I had a couple shop teachers just like you when I was in High School back in 1985.

PM me your schools address and I will send you a Billet Set of hood pins for the car.

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Also, can i suggest that you put some Wood blocks under the car just in case it get's bumped off the jack stands. Seems to be a good group of kids working on the car and it's always good to have extra saftey measures in place.

something similar to these 2 x 4 stands in 4 spots under the car

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[tillman]

Syborg tt
I sent you the address to the school.Thanks for the pins .They will be a great addition.
Good idea on the block.these kids are crawling all under the car and we cant be to safe.

[lotsofhp]

Really cool what you are doing with those kids. They are lucky to have someone like you to teach them about this stuff.

And I hate to Hijack...but I would love to see more on that orange camaro syborg. That thing is beautiful.

[icebird84]

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[Young Gun]

okay now sombody follow Marty's lead and donate a 3 link set up so we can make them build a PT ride and not some dinky pro-street!!!!! kidding! looks like a cool project...wish my school had a course like this one!

[jy211]

kidding

I don't think you are...:enguard:LOL

[Young Gun]

I don't think you are...:enguard:LOL

shh

[tillman]

The fire Wall came today from ricks.We will start on it on monday.
I like the idea of the three link but remember I am building this on a school teachers pay.

[tillman]

Thanks again for keeping all post family and parent friendly.

[81 trans-am]

Very cool build. I wish I had a class like that in high school.
FYI : the orange camaro is dale jr's car.check dse's website for more pics.

[BMF Machine]

Syborg tt
Good idea on the block.these kids are crawling all under the car and we cant be to safe.

Yes, we lost a very cool board member and to some guys on here he was a great friend. I believe it was last year....he was wrenching under his truck; which was sitting on jackstands. We all never want to here about something like that again. He was a young father, husband, and he is missed by many.

In pilot school they taught us to learn from others mistakes, because you will never live long enough to make the mistakes yourself. I believe it is also a good rule for every aspect of life.

[Munster]

Tillman

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26620

Heres a link :look: to one of the sites threads to show you how to make your photos come out larger like the ones of the orange camaro (Dale ernhardt Jr.s) above. Its real easy, especially if I learned from it. It would make your thread more impressive to the parents. Just an idea. I'm sure your kids will know how to.

Keep up the good work.

[syborg tt]

Syborg tt
I sent you the address to the school.Thanks for the pins .They will be a great addition.
Good idea on the block.these kids are crawling all under the car and we cant be to safe.


Shipping this week.

Car looks like it's going to be fun.

[Motown 454]

What a sweet way to learn something you love to do .

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[Munster]

^^^^ Better. Your on the right track. Keep the kids working.

[tillman]

Students hard at it

[f1shman]

That's got to be the best looking coffee table I've seen in a while! :kewlpics:

[tillman]

We got a lot done this week

[jy211]

get them kids some ear protection..looking good BTW..

[tillman]

You are right.This is a constant battle but no excuse.Safety is #1

[ct08]

Thats a great project. With vocational programs being phased out its good to see kids have a constructive outlet. Its a disease that will stick with them through life once its in thier veins. This hobby will cost them a mint over a lifetime (and the skills will make them money as well) but its a love and an addiction I wouldnt have it any other way!

[tillman]

cto8
Here in alabama vocational schools are not phasing out.They are growing.
This camaro is just a small part of my program.Students are not allowed to work on it until their regular class assignments are complete.This week we just finished specialty tools. How to read micrometers.slide calipers.dept gauges.etc.The mechanics industry here is large.Most of my students after graduation attend UTI or Nashville Auto Diesel College.A few have even been accepted into the BMW school.Those who go straight into industry ususlly go to Peterbuilt .John Deere.Cat or Kubota.
Just a little info
Tillman

[tillman]

Going a little slow this week.We have Graduation exams

[tillman]

Getting a little done.

[Young Gun]

so who hung the metal, you or them? looks great either way!!!

[tillman]

They hung it.It is on with sheet metal screws.It took them 6 times putting it on and off.I still need to tweak it a little

[Young Gun]

awesome! I aught to send you my heap to do the metal work on! Keep up with the great progress!

[blown9746]

I understand the limited budget thing, but I bet if you contacted some vendors you would get some donated parts. Just an idea.

[jilge71]

i went to votech and loved it and still on the allum board to help when i can. very cool what you are letting them do. i painted our auto service teachers drag 67 chevelle when i was a senior and as far as i know he still has it after 10 years.

[tillman]

Thanks for all the support guys.
Tony

[1971CHEVELLE]

looks great

[69Camaro/70 Velle]

Just found this thread after you PM'd me at Camaros.net. That is a great looking project. I'll bet it's going to turn out awesome.
Joe

[tillman]

Our door gaps are 1/4in .Should we keep working to get 3/16in or leave it alone?

[syborg tt]

1/4" for a street car is more then acceptable.

[Two68s]

I agree, 1/4" is good. You want to leave some of the character of 60's muscle cars, and part of that is gaps. I like door gaps, albeit straight ones.

I wish I had a program like this when I was in school. I'm a product of Jefferson Co. schools (Bham native) although we had shop class, we didn't get to build a '69 Camaro from the ground up!! I am enjoying this build and loving the pics. The quality of work looks great from the pics and the best part is the students are learning! When you finish the Camaro, you need to build a Ford and take them both to the track!!

[Chad-1stGen]

Cool teacher, cool project

[CruizinKev]

yeah nice project!! support them kids! :twothumbs

[tillman]

This is my class leader.He is one of my best welders.Pretty good to be 15 years old.

[tillman]

Is this ride height to high?Or do We need to go lower?
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[ProTour69GTO]

Its really cool that you are doing this with the kids. I wish I could have done that when I was in highschool. Is that the wheel and tire combo you are running?

[tillman]

Yes

[rlplive]

Awesome. I wish i had that in highschool. The vocational college here does not even offer anything like this.
Ryan

[BMF Machine]

I love them HoosieR TireS! Ride height looks pretty sick on the rear! I would like to see the frontal. Are we going with a jacked up GasseR look on the front, or with a more down to earth StylE? Either way would look great.

[tillman]

So you think I need to lower the rear a few inches?

[Young Gun]

lower for sure!

[Munster]

I would go for the lower look. If possible. Maybe with the top of the wheel level with the top of the wheel well opening for starters. But that is some serious rubber to get in that far. My two cents.

[tillman]

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[armourmark]

I agree with young gun. bring it down 1.5-2 inches if you can get the tire in there.

[syborg tt]

?? if you measure from the rocker to the frame table what is the distance ??

[tillman]

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Thanks Syborg tt
The hood pins you donated came today.We cant wait to get them on the car.
Thanks A Lot
Tony

[syborg tt]

Wow - Thank you very much. Ron and I are just glad we could participate in your project.

Keep up the good work.


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Thanks Syborg tt
The hood pins you donated came today.We cant wait to get them on the car.
Thanks A Lot
Tony

[tillman]

bump

[muthstryker]

you can jump it now! dukes of hazzard anyone?!

[1nkred1ble]

Lowerrr!!!! Lower!!!!!
Lower!!!!!!!

[67SSDan]

I dig it man, very cool project for the kids to be working on!

[tillman]

Not a lot done this week.Only one thing on students minds(SPRING BREAK)
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[Z06killinSBF]

That thing is looking great. My shop teacher was an awesome guy. Mr. Farley from Mesquite High. He let me build my dad's 73' Camaro there and hang all the metal and spray the paint. That was the best thing about school I can remember. I wish I had pursued and gone to UTI, WyoTech, etc... but I joined the Navy. Just remember that you have or will change someones life for the better. This is something that they will be able to carry on for the rest of their lives. They will always be that one step ahead of the average Joe and years after school will still have those little tips and tricks to fix things that they learned in your class. Seems like you have some talented kids there. Keep up the progress, looking good.

Here is what my senior project was. Built @ 17
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First car built @ 15. (with a few updates)
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[tillman]

Back from spring break.Back to work, but we are running into a lot of issues trying to use the leaf springs with the competition engineering factory replacement frame rails.Trying to keep the back seat,moving the frame rails in and trying to fit a 12 to 15 inch wide tire is a big order.I think we will spend next week scratching our heads .
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[tillman]

I e-mailed with Frank today at Prodigy Customs.He has some ideas about getting us back in the right direction.
He is a really cool guy.
Thanks Frank

[Fesler built]

keeping the rear seat is not a problem but you will have to kind of build the car around it. Get the car set up back on the frame and build the tubs first get everything set in place and from there you can make the rear seat area and you will have to mod your rear seat and re wrap it. Not hard work just need to have the kids take thier time and plan everything out. one thing at a time so you get it right. measure and re measure so you only cut and weld once.

I will see if I can find some pics and post them up for you guys to look over. It will give you some ideas on where to go with everything.

Keep up the great work

here is a car we just finished with a 12inch wheel on the rear
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[tillman]

Frank
First I would like to say thanks for taking the time and interest to walk us through our build.My class likes the way the trunk is done in the red 69 so I guess we will go in that direction.
My first question is with our frame rails being 36 inches apart outside to outside is that ok? Or do we need to move them.
What four bar system do you suggest ?You mentioned going ahead with the tubs.Do I buy the extra wide tubs fron dse or the racing tubs from art morrison?
Thanks
Tony and the class

[ProdigyCustoms]

Tony,

I got your email asking my opinion on the ride height which directed me to your thread. Thank you. That was a very good move on your behalf. I just got through reading the entire thread and I really like what your doing. See our entire shop is under 23 Y/O (except one guy). Michael and Andrew were hanging around the shop all through high school and Jr high, and both started full time here on work release from school their senior year. Two more guys 22 and 23 Y/O are learning now and doing great. All 4 of these young guys are straight arrows, no drugs, no arrest, no real problems, great kids and I really contribute the hobby to that.

I ran this past Lisa and Michael, and we unanimously agree. You did not ask for anything, but Prodigy Customs wants to be a part of this and wants to help! We want you to contact us for parts you may need whatever it is. If it is of our manufacturer, you will get it free, period! Need a stainless bolt kit? it's on the way! If it is a product we distribute, COST! If we can use our leverage and I can get the manufacturer to chip in, we will pass that to you also!

I only have one suggestion! I think some of the kids that put in a extra ordinary effort, get grades, no trouble (you decide the parameters), should be able to make a soft pass in the car (turn it down a bit) and let them get the feel. And I want to come see the finished car at the track and meet them!

I want to thank you again for what your doing with these kids. In 1996 Michael and I (He 12 Y/O then) built our street drag car. I started racing with my 3 boys when they were 12, 15 and 16. Nicholas, my middle son, and Michael (when Michael turned 15) both raced the car. My oldest, did not race. One great thing about the racing, I knew where they were on Saturday night, they were at the track with me! And they were not racing on the street either! 12 years later, both Michael and Nick are great kids, hard workers, valued by those they work with, and I really think the entire car thing helped me control some of that in the teen years. Their older brother, was not interested in the car, the racing................. he is our problem child. So we really think what your doing is really great!

So any way we can help..................................
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[ProdigyCustoms]

OK, so as for suspension options. I am not real clear yet on the ultimate direction. Lets do a call tomorrow evening. Maybe I can get a better feeling for the project and see what we can do for you.

[BMF Machine]

FranK, you the man! ToO CooL helpinG this talented group with their ProjecT; ToO CooL!:)

[1969CamaroRS]

Yes, very cool of you Frank and Prodigy!

[Young Gun]

Once again, Frank and the crew at Prodigy with another stand up act!

[tillman]

I can not thank Prodigy Customs enough, I did speak with Frank today.and he has some great ideas.We are going to raise the floor pan and frame rails and install a four bar setup and build our own tubs.
The students are real excited about prodigy getting involved.We spent a lot of the day trying to decide the direction we wanted to go.More race or street.and we decided more street.
Of course I had to keep reminding the kids that I was still going to be their teacher and would be giving them their grade,not Frank.LOL.
We will be posting a lot of pics and always enjoy, and listen to every ones ideas on this forum.so please keep giving us ideas.
Thanks
Tony

[Motown 454]

Sweet deal Frank you get an A+ !! Tony the way you work with these kids give your self an A too.

[syborg tt]

LOL - that is Awesome.

Frank just make sure you give them all good grades.


Of course I had to keep reminding the kids that I was still going to be their teacher and would be giving them their grade,not Frank.LOL.

[ProdigyCustoms]

So more interesting news for you and the students.

Steve Rupp from Camaro Performers Magazine was in town with his wife vacationing. Lisa and I went to dinner with them. I told him about your project, that Prodigy Customs helping you out with some sponsorship. And he would love a picture or two and some text about what your doing for under construction! How cool would that be!

I am delivering 2 cars to Alabama and Louisiana in 10 days or so (soon as we finish) and will be close enough to do a little detour and swing by. I would like to stop in and say hey! If that is OK!

[cees67]

frank, what a stand up guy ! i dont post all that much but am always lurking when i can. when i read your post it really hits home and i got choked up. Brings back memories of my old man and him trying to keep me on the straight and narrow.( wasnt easy!) the best way he knew how to communicate was through this hobby of ours and without it , god only knows what would've been.These little things like having an ambitious shop teacher, and great shop owner giving back are worth more than any amount of money on earth. you never know who ya touch!..........kudos to ya!

[tillman]

Frank recommended getting the floor back in the car and start on the tubs so we will be working on that.Thats my student Conner doing the welding
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[67SSDan]

Tony,

I got your email asking my opinion on the ride height which directed me to your thread. Thank you. That was a very good move on your behalf. I just got through reading the entire thread......


Bravo! Those Prodigy guys are stand up peeps. Now I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing where this goes.

Dan

[Larry Callahan]

Awesome idea! I loved auto shop and metal shop when I was in high school. In fact I'm still playing with cars and I'm the GM of an Aerospace machine shop today. After many years of working a lot and not having the time I sent my '68 Camaro to Prodigy Customs to build. They did an awesome job and you won't go wrong listening to Frank and the gang. What I learned in school is still with me today. In fact I reached out to my old school to give back recently and I found out they killed both classes. What a shame.

I think this is great and I will follow along and see if I can help in some way. I have been lucky enough to meet a LOT of people in the industry since I started this site and may be able to help in some way. If nothing else I may have some parts laying around you might need. I will dig around my garage and see what I can find.

Way to go!

[tillman]

We should have our floor pan and frame back in the car on monday.
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[Larry Callahan]

Any news? Did the floor make it back in?

[tillman]

A little slow this week we had graduation for seniors.We did get the floor and frame finished.we removed the rearend.It needs to be shorten 1inch from each side so we will be doing that next week.We ordered a back brace and new housing ends today and talked with Frank from Prodigy and he his working on getting the Morrison Tri four bar coming.The last day for students will be around the 23rd of the month and we would really like to have the tires and tubs under the car.
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[nvmyss]

Way to go Frank!! :1st:

[craigs73]

frank i'm letting my high school students build my car also so can i have some free parts:fingersx:



just joking LOL!! this is a sweet thread i wish i also had this kind of thing when i was in high school. frank your a great guy wheres my free parts LOL!!

[tillman]

I ordered our Tri four bar kit from Morrison today.We installed the engine and trans back in so we can get the pinion angle close.We will also shorten the rear end this week and install a back brace.
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[Larry Callahan]

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Frank, you need to send some safety glasses. LOL!

[tillman]

They wear them.It was the end of the day.Even the air was off.They were posing for the picture.They are seniors and it is their last day.And they wanted one last pic posted.
Keep me on my toes.LOL

[chrisadams36]

frank i'm letting my high school students build my car also so can i have some free parts:fingersx:
just joking LOL!! this is a sweet thread i wish i also had this kind of thing when i was in high school (http://www-scf.usc.edu/%7Ebittman/trade-schools.html). frank your a great guy wheres my free parts LOL!!

haha, that would be cool!
I agree an awesome thread - I would have loved that too when I was still in high school :razz:

[tillman]

Just to keep it all cool.I am receiving no free parts.I just paid Morrison 1,282.00 for my four bar system.My second job at the local carquest auto parts is allowing me to purchase my parts.Frank has been really cool to offer advice and told me I can order parts from him and get his discount, and I may do that later.
Thanks
Tony

[craigs73]

Just to keep it all cool.I am receiving no free parts.I just paid Morrison 1,282.00 for my four bar system.My second job at the local carquest auto parts is allowing me to purchase my parts.Frank has been really cool to offer advice and told me I can order parts from him and get his discount, and I may do that later.
Thanks
Tony

just joking around tony trying to get some free parts from frank hey frank did you know your shop is :1st: :):)

[tillman]

I know you were just joking.Frank and all the guys are really cool people.I have got a lot of good ideas off this site, and my students really think its cool to be on the e-net.I just didnt want anyone to think I was using my students or class to try and get free stuff.
I can take a joke and LOL with everyone.

[minendrews68]

I know you were just joking.Frank and all the guys are really cool people.I have got a lot of good ideas off this site, and my students really think its cool to be on the e-net.I just didnt want anyone to think I was using my students or class to try and get free stuff.
I can take a joke and LOL with the everyone.

Even if you were getting free parts for your build, what's wrong with it? Your sharing this build (thant you and your students) are doing, if anyone wanted to give you parts it's their business! As everyone has said Frank is to be highly commended for his help, as is everyone else. If I could afford it, I would bundle up my Camaro, send it to Frank and be all the happier for it. I just don't have the money, but to be able to have a "Prodigy Customs" done car here in Arkansas would surely have it's bragging rights! I've seen a lot of posts where Frank has unselfeshly helped when there wasn't anything in it for him. That's why he is who he is.
but yeah, if someone wanted to give you something, just don't forget to say thank you...lol
Carl

[LateNight72]

Looks good. If you ever need some help or want a second set of eyes to look over something, let me know. I'm a stone's throw away and available almost any time.

[tillman]

The students installed the back brace.I took the rearend to my best friends house and we used his jig to narrow the rear end by two inches.We were hoping to install the four bar tomorrow but it came today and art morrison left the brackets out.(It happens).I will call them in the moring and see how long that will take.

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[tillman]

My students don't mind doing math when it is applied.They set the pinion angle and shock angles so the brackets can be installed.
Also ,Cool staff at Art Morrison. They are sending my brackets overnight .Thanks Dave

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[tillman]

The Art Morrison kit really fit good. We will try and get the rear finished and the floor back in wednesday.
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[Motown 454]

Its looking good.

[syborg tt]

I love everything about that rear kit. It's the looks great.

Before you put the floor in plan your exhaust & fuel tank as you may want to raise the trunk floor in certain area's to hide the exhaust.


The Art Morrison kit really fit good. We will try and get the rear finished and the floor back in wednesday.
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[tillman]

I have a 15 gallon aluminum fuel cell now .I would like to use a fuel tank.Would like to have 20 gallons. Any Ideas?
I am not ready to purchase it because school gets out wednesday. But during the summer months I am going to purchase parts so we can finish the car during next school term. I will also be giving Frank at Prodigy a call for ideas
Thanks
Tony

[Young Gun]

Looks awesome! Wish I had a class like this when I was in high school...

So when y'all finish this project you want me to send a nice rusty hunk your way so you can get them practice on that body work!!!

[tillman]

This is a list of parts my students ask me if I would buy before school starts back.
They sure have good taste when it comes to spending my money.LOL
I think my next lesson will be there is no real santa.LOL
I must say Speed Tech has nice parts.

Item#Size / DescriptionEach PriceQuantity RemoveSubtotal F2003BB-CVRPer Set / 67-69 Camaro Front Suspension Package #2 For Big Blocks [ Balljoint Cover:Yes Add Balljoint Covers,]Only $1,511.95 $1,511.95 8010540-01each / 67-69 Camaro Power Rack & Pinion kit Only $849.00 $849.00 8050550each / Power Steering Shaft Kit BBC 1"DD Shaft Only $270.00 $270.00 STP BBSS Polishedset / Show Polished Big Block Stainless Steel Headers Only $1,399.00 $1,399.00 The total of everything listed comes to: $4,029.95

[Larry Callahan]

Sounds like you need to set up a PayPal donation thingy. LOL!

[ProdigyCustoms]

Those kids are good shoppers! Let's skip that Rack and Pinion and do a nice steering box and steering kit. I can help on the Speedtech.

[tillman]

Talked with Art morrison today.And the reason my shock mounts are above the frame rails is because I purchased the competition engineering frame rails which are good rails just not intended to be used with coil overs.My class thinks the car need to be lowered about 2 more inches. That means moving the upper shock mounts even higher up, and then building a raised cover in the trunk area.I have almost 5 inches of travel before the rails bottom out on the rearend.
opinions please?
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[syborg tt]

I agree with the class the car should be a little lower.

But first you need to set up the front suspension to see where it is going to sit at ride height. It take a lot of work to get a car 6" from the ground. So verify that the front can be set low enough.

SO set up the front with everything you have and put the correct amount of weight in the engine bay, borrow some 45lbs plates from the gym if you have to.

Then move to the back of the car.

You have all of the right parts you just need to set the car up first.

Rule of thumb is to go in this order

Note:
These notes are assuming you are using a stock subframe

1. Front Suspension
a. determine desired ride height
1. Is it possible without extensive modifications
b. research the compannie's that offer parts
c. Order parts from one company ( don't mix and match )

2. Set Ride Height of Front suspension
a. Load front suspension ( add weight in your case )
b. check for clearence issue with inner fenders
c. verify that your wheels will fit and not rub
d. check turning radius
e. check control arms angles ( are they correct )

3. Rear Suspension
a. determine desired ride height
1. Is it possible without extensive modifications
b. research the compannie's that offer parts
c. verify that your wheels will fit and not rub

4. Chassis stiffening
a. Frame Connectors
1. under stock floor mount type
2. welded thru floor type

So for right now I would set up the front suspension and take some real measurements of the front rocker Pinch weld.

Let's say it's 8" at the front pinch weld.

Then move to the back of the car and set the car at 9". This will give the car some sag when you load it. Plus your most likely going to be using the middle lower shock mounting point. Which will allow you to raise th car up a little or lower it to match the front if it sags just a little.

At this point - you will now be able to make an informed decision as to how low the car can sit.

If you want the car lower then you need to go down another road and I would be more then willing to help you but I have typed way to much and I'm afraid that I may have lost you.

Or you can alway's call me

630.234.2488

[tillman]

Marty
Thanks for the info.Sounds like we need to stop and install the front suspension.We have the engine and trans installed.
Tomorrow is the last day of school.That will give me some time to purchase suspension parts.
I think this will be my next purchase.I will talk with Frank at Prodigy and see what kind of price.
Speed tech
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[ProdigyCustoms]

I will swing by and take a peak on my New Orleans trip. But the first thing I thought when you sent me pics was not much upsweep in the rails. As for the Speedtech, give me a call tomorrow and let me see what I can do for you on the Speedtech.

[syborg tt]

But the first thing I thought when you sent me pics was not much upsweep in the rails.

The Frame rails are an exact match of the factory floor. So getting the car on the ground may be a little more work. The good thing the floor can me modified to gain more clearence.

Also now is the time to center the wheel in the opening just makes sure you measure / measure and then measure so you have it correct.

[camaro2nv]

Very cool build! Man only info I had something like this in school.

[tillman]

My best friend kevin came over to the shop today and we tweaked every thing.We lowered the ride height one inch and installed the sway bar. we measured ,then measured again and then measured again and then welded.
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[lunchbox89]

sexy car

[tillman]

I had a student (TJ) who wanted to keep coming to school for the first week of summer to earn extra credit.We installed the floor pan.Built the tubs .made frame brackets to locate the shocks and completed the sheet metal.The rear seat still fit in the factory clips
And run 15 inch wide tires Thanks (TJ)
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[Motown 454]

Looking good

[syborg tt]

looks really nice

[1971CHEVELLE]

looking very good

[smooth68]

Great project Tony! I would like to come take a look sometime when I leave work!! (South Baldwin Medical Center)

[Larry Callahan]

Nice!!

[minendrews68]

Do you realize how cool it would have been to be in that class when I was in high school? and yes, they had cars back then...

[tillman]

Doors came today from Bel Air Bobs.Best Price,Great service and most important. good fit.
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[syborg tt]

they look really nice

[Motown 454]

Looking good..

[steelerguy]

Awesome project! Loved reading the thread and will be keeping up with it.

[kneeboardpro9]

Hope it gets back together soon! We need to take it back to Mobile!


-ken

[Nuke1]

Glad to see you are teaching the kids some important things in life and on the flip side, you are getting one heck of a car in the end.

[tillman]

We have just started back on the camaro.Will have pics soon.
It took a few weeks to cover safety,tools and general shop.I think they are ready to get started.

[jy211]

get some spray on sound deadner....any sponsors wanna send some?

[tillman]

This is one of my new classes..I have a 16 year old that wanted to weld up the door gaps to 3/16.He has taught me a few things.

[Young Gun]

I like the 3/16 idea! congrats on the new class

[LowBuckX]

My Auto class sucked we had a LT1 350 hugger orange72 camaro that gm donated in 73. A tree fell on it in 72 on the lot. in 92 the roof was still not fixed. My class started a fund raiser and scrap metal drive to buy some performance parts and to buy paint for the auto body class to fix the roof. We ended up with lots of money. The nexy years class painted it GULP pearl white and the school made them put V.I.C.A in large letters down the side. Roof was fixed with bondo alone. This makes me sad because I put lots of work into the scrap drive (Idea for you) I went to all the lawn mower repair places in 4 countys and got them to donate all their broke engines. I tore them all down and collected a ton of Aluminum and brass. Enough so that it took 3 8 foot bed loads to get it to the school and the scrap yard had to send out a few dumpsters to collect it. Anyway. Keep up the good work.

****EDIT**** Have to say the teachers Where cool as hell the school was not Frank Manely and Joe Lamatrice Where my teachers.

[tillman]

Got those gaps taken care of and going to spray some 3m schutz tomorrow.may have went a little over board on the fuel cell,its 26 gallons.


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[Motown 454]

Nice to see you workng on it again. It looks good.

[syborg tt]

Glad to have you back

[tillman]

Mounted the rear spoiler today.It has a few issues.I think I will call Ricks tomorrow.
Has any one else had this problem with after market spoilers?
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[tillman]

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[67 ls1 vert]

Thats an idea. cutting the rear spoiler. What type of filler are you going to use to repair it? My new spoiler is just your.

Good luck. :1st:

[tillman]

We fiberglassed it.

[Chevrolaine]

Sweet, Lookin awesome!

[tillman]

Sprayed some 3m schutz in the trunk today.going to spray some gloss back tomorrow under the hood.Any suggestions on sound deadner.Second skin or dynamat
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[WS6]

looking good. I can't help with the sound deadener though.

[coogle]

I have used Dynamat for the past 16 years it works very well they have a hole line of products.link http://www.dynamat.com/products_automotive_dynamat_xtreme.html

[syborg tt]

If you looking to make the car as quiet as new cars of today are then take a look at

www.cascadeaudio.com

Call them talk with them - They build each kit car specific.

Trust me when you shut the door you won't hear a thing in the outside world. Actually if you want to hear your engine you actually have to open the window and that's with a loud exhaust.

[tillman]

We sprayed the dash and under the hood today.We decided to spray the top of the wheel wells with 3m schutz to add a little texture and set it off from the firewall.(Wrong) The fire wall looks good but the gloss black on the wheel wells over the schutz looks like trash under the paint and not textured.Should we spray flat black over the gloss or just scrape it all off and start over?
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[67 ls1 vert]

save yourself the headache and try the flat black first on one fender to see what it looks like. You might like it.

[Motown 454]

Thats a good idea.

[tillman]

Came in to school ,voted and decided to resand the fender
wells back down with 180 and repaint.Turned out that was a good Idea.All finished and looks good.
(off the subject) One thing I am realizing is that kids in general are good kids.They just need something they are interested in to keep them busy.And out of trouble.I have not written one discipline referral to the office since school has started.
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[Motown 454]

They'll look back later and remember this as one of the good times. Nice job.

[tillman]

School has been called off for today and tomorrow .Looks like tropical storm Ida will be visiting us tonight.
I did talk with Anthony (cool guy) at Second Skin today and he gave me some really good deals.We decided to cover the complete interior with Damplifer Pro and a second coverage in certain areas with Luxury liner.

[tillman]

We got the car jamed with lemans blue and set the engine today
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[Chevrolaine]

That's lookin awesome, keep it up!!

[syborg tt]

so you an autoshop or a autobody shop

grat work - keep posting

[Young Gun]

thats awesome!

[CruizinKev]

:twothumbs :twothumbs

[cl08]

Good Lord. I wish our freaking school woul dhave let us build a car. We got to brake jobs and tunes all 4 years, thus why I never signed up. I got my own lessons in my cusin's shop :)

NICE JOB!!!!!!!!

[Motown 454]

Nice job guy's it looks sweet.

[tillman]

syborg tt
I have a two year program.One and a half years of small gas engines and 1/2 year of welding.We work on all engines 25hp and less.small tractors,outboards,jet skies,4 wheelers.zero turn mowers.
That is all going on behind the scene every day.The principal is allowing me to restore my camaro so the students stay motivated.(He is a cool guy)Our national affiliated club is the FFA.Maybe you have heard of it.
Thanks for your interest.
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[Smock67]

Your Camaro is coming along nicely. I wish i had an autoshop class back in high school, i had to settle for wood shop freshman year ( the last year it was offered because of budget cuts). Man am I freaking jealous of what this kids have.

Anyways have your students keep up the good work. I cant wait to see this completed.

[SimplyKC]

The principal is allowing me to restore my camaro so the students stay motivated.

That is very cool of him to do this.

[tillman]

Do we need to lower the car? half the class says yes and half no.
one kid even thinks we need to raise the back.
what do you think?
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[Chevrolaine]

No way, it's sittin about perfect right there!!


so you an autoshop or a autobody shop


I was thinking they're all AUTOBOTS!

[Brandon Miller]

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What's the guy in the red shirts name? He looks like a guy that used to live around here.

[moparnate]

leave the stance just the way it is....

[tillman]

How many students will it take to install a new sway bar? LOL
Tomorrow we install our hood pins.Donated from Hoodpins.net
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[tillman]

We installed a layer of damplifer pro and then covered that with luxury liner pro.We covered both inner doors,roof.trunk,inner quarters,floor and firewall.(What a difference) tapping on the roof and doors sounds as solid as a wall.
Frank at Prodigy Customs hooked us up with a complete Auto Wire car wiring kit.(Thanks FRANK) That will be the next step.
Every student will be given a copy of the wiring directions to study and will be tested before we start.

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[csx4766]

Looks great.

Buy a proper step stool. I would hate to see a student slip off the chair and get hurt.

Just the safety Director in me coming out.:)

Morgan

[tillman]

10/4
Next purchase a new step stool.We have been needing one a long time.

[Motown 454]

The cars looking great their doing a nice job.

[aaroncampbell251]

http://www.webridestv.com/videos/josh-kalis--1969--dc--camaro-210459 you should check this out not your style but its really nice

[tillman]

It's been a while since my last post. We have been working on the car. We installed a new side window, carpet, rear seat, grab bar over the glove box. I have ordered the door panels, and a March style track setup. Frank at Prodigy cut me a super deal on a set of stainless works headers so we are waiting on them to come in. We were installing the new cowl hood this week and a student thought he had dropped a washer down the intake while removing the carb.(I am just glad he was honest enough to tell me) we tried a magnet and a boreascope with no luck. We pulled the heads and no washer! Better safe than sorry. Will be posting new pics soon. Our finish goal is still May 15.

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[syborg tt]

looking pretty good. Thanks for sharing the update

[tillman]

Some of my best students getting the job done.

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[Motown 454]

That March setup is nice looking piece.

[syborg tt]

looks nice but you need to buy a nice Billet Specialties water neck

[ckirschner12]

I am a vocational school teacher.My students have talked me into restoring my 1969 camaro as a school project.Keep watch for pics we will be starting on monday
Hey Mr. Tillman. Its Chris,your old student. I just saw the picture of the camaro and it looks as good as ever.

[tillman]

School is out today for snow.We are also out Mon and Tue for Mardi Gras.I cant say enough about Frank at Prodigy.I ordered a set of Stainless works headers and a Auto wire wiring harness from him.He cut me a super deal and even put in some of his own money toward the purchases.He is good for his word. (Thanks Frank)
I will post pics of the install on wednesday.These headers are so cool.
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[BonzoHansen]

W00t Frank, and keep up the good work at school!

[John Wright]

W00t Frank, and keep up the good work at school!
+1...that is a cool gesture Frank.:1st:

[John Wright]

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take a sharp razor blade, carefully and neatly trim the excess "intake gasket" off(after it has set up)....BTW, the bullet is looking very sharp

[tillman]

will do,Thanks

[tillman]

I am back on the trunk area.It seems like the 26 gallon fuel cell is going to take up almost the entire trunk area.I have installed second skin in the trunk area and reinstalled the fuel cell.I guess I will just install carpet around it.The battery will be under the hood.Any Ideas?

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[tillman]

Billet water neck.on the way.

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[tillman]

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[John Wright]

Lookin good!

[GeoffP]

You guys are doing some good work. I'm impressed! As other's have said, I would've loved to had someone like you as my auto shop teacher in high school.

[John Wright]

I would've loved to had someone like you as my auto shop teacher in high school.
Me too, Mine didn't understand simple mechanics, much less anything like you guys are doing.

ie. We had an arguement one day in class about lifters and push rods in a SBC. Instructor argued that the lifter and pushrod were one piece (because that is how it looked in the exploded diagram in the book)......so I HAD to bring in a set so he could see my side of the arguement....LOL

[John Wright]

Oh, another funny story...one day in class the Instructor let the guys change the oil and grease the teacher's cars....LOL, I chuckle everytime I think about it....anyway one kid and the Instructor let the oil out of one teacher's car and then proceeded to add 5 quarts and change the filter. before they started it up they cleaned the dip stick and stuck it to make sure they had the oil level right and low and behold the oil level was almost at the top of the stick.....they had let out the transmission fluid into the catch pan and then added 5 quarts on top of the 5 that were still in the engine....Bwhahaha!....I'm glad they checked it before they cranked it, or things it could have gotten real ugly....but you would think that they would have noticed the red color of the fluid that they were letting out or even the smell of the fluid would have given it away that they had the wrong drain plug.

[tillman]

Thanks for all the good info.For some reason I get good kids.This is my 23rd year of teaching Mechanics and I can say, the kids are getting better.
We have had our share of troubles.Right now we have a yamaha 4 wheeler automatic transmission apart and have got to figure out how it all goes back together,I have never seen so many gears.
My boss bought it in pieces and is depending on us to figure it out.
I will be buying a big book with a lot of pictures.LOL

[tillman]

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[350SS]

I am back on the trunk area.It seems like the 26 gallon fuel cell is going to take up almost the entire trunk area.I have installed second skin in the trunk area and reinstalled the fuel cell.I guess I will just install carpet around it.The battery will be under the hood.Any Ideas?

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Don't know if it's too late buy why not recess the floor of the trunk so the top of the fuel cell is flush with the top of the trunk floor.

Awesome build btw :cheers:

[tahoetweaker]

Car looks absolutely beautiful man.
It's came along way, and I can honestly say, for kids thats some dang good work. I wouldn't hesitate letting one of them work on my tahoe.
I'm in a drafting class, but auto mechanics/auto body was my next choice in line.
I'm redoing the entire front end on my dads 84 gmc short wide c1500
We are also swapping out a 10 bolt with 3.42's for a 12 bolt with 4.10's with posi, and possible narrowing it an inch for wider tires :)
We are also installing a 3/4 drop kit, and doing a ploy-urethane master bushing kit top of everything else.
I would like to get a 4-link to run a coil-over setup, but funds are empty right now.
Then comes the difficult part, deciding the motor/transmission combo.
Keep up the good work guys.

[tillman]

Thats a good idea.My plan was to put the mufflers under the trunk pan.As it is now my NOS bottles wont fit in the trunk.Bad planning on my part.If the tank was droped abour 3 or 4 inches ,I would be able to get things in the trunk.
Thanks for the suggestion:idea:

[tillman]

Please post pics of you exhaust pipes in the exhaust section.
Thanks

[tillman]

This is one of my students working on a heat shield.
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[cegpcola]

It is really cool to see a program like this to get kids interested in the hobby. I would love to swing by and see this car when it is completed.

[tillman]

The students have really been working hard to have the car completed by the end of school.We have a few questions
Bumper guards or no guards
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can we run the brake lines like this.Two seperate lines from the master cylinder to the front brakes
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[elitecustombody]

no bumper guards, looking good

[craigs73]

no guards looks really good

[69X22]

I wished we had a cool car to build in shop class when I was a kid, back in 84. A guy like Frank to help sponsor would have been cool also. Keep up the good work...

[craigs73]

hell we didnt even have a shop and i graduated in 05:dunno:

[tillman]

We spent this week getting the Vintage Air installed.Next week will be the wiring.
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[tillman]

Tony sent an autographed copy of his protouring book to each one of my students that has been with me from the start of the build.
It sure is cool to see a teenage boy sit down an actually read a book.
Thanks Tony ,your the best :1st:
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[srh3trinity]

That is awesome. I wish I had a class like this when I was coming through. I had an hour and a half my entire senior year that I spent being a teacher's aide. I checked out every day of my senior year because the teacher was a close friend and he didn't need me. Auto shop or a welding class would have been great.

[joemac]

Wow Tony, I hadn't looked at this thread yet and I am so envious of your students right now. I never had anyone take the time to teach me. Had to learn everything on my own. I feel like they will look back and appreciate someone going out of their way for them.

The car is looking super, I hope I don't have to ask what kind of fluids you will be using. Tell your students to keep up the good work.

[ho428]

Just out of curiosity what kinds of cars do your kids drive? They getting into the old stuff, newer ricers or what? Most of ours were mid 60's to early 70's since they were cheap.

I took Autoshop in 1976-1977, our shop teacher was ok but steered more to the career mechanic aspect instead of custom or hot rodding since back then there wasn't much to be made doing either of those. I was the engine guy, still my favorite part of a build.

Senior year our cars were: my 68 Firebird, an SS Chevelle, 351 Ranchero, Chevy II, Falcon Sprint and a few family sedans. Probably only had 8-10 students and not all had cars.
Nice to see you have some girls involved, we had two my senior year.

Keep the updates coming.

[tillman]

We will be back on the car this week.We had to get past prom and spring break.
Most of my students drive 1980 to 2000 chevy trucks.
(country boys)
We did stop on my car and install a four link in a mazda truck for one my students .
Many of them and their families own shrimp boats or oryster boats here on the gulf coast.(Bayou La Batre)
They will be involved in the oil clean up.

[tillman]

Its been some time from the last post.We had to get through spring break.Prom and senior graduation.
We spent last week learning about wiring.Then students were assigned different sections.Connections were soldered and heat shrinked so it took a long time.It is wired now and we started the car today.It runs great and no electrical problems.tomorrow we will freon the a/c and finish the brakes.our goal is to drive the car by the 26th.We have been working on it for 18 months.
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[Motown 454]

Nice job guys and gals you do some great work.

[craigs73]

any progress:)

[tillman]

We will be starting back on the car Jan 4th.I have been working and saving money to finish it.
Tony

[aaroncampbell251]

i really wish i was back in the class i miss working on the car and the random whatever else i might have worked on probably the best class i have ever taken

[intropiles]

hey BMF Machine. it sounds like the character in the games I am playing. :)

[tillman]

If anyone is interested.I am considering selling my car.All it needs is blocking and painting.It has already been jamed out.Will consider offers

[tillman]

Finally going to get some paint on.Been a long project.We are now back on it until finished.Going to keep it .To much love,Sweat and tears to sell. Here is the stripe I am going with.What do you think?
The car will be dark blue with a silver

[tillman]

Getting started on Monday the 29th

[AusMarty]

I'll say ONE thing.


Don't get it stolen and let one of your kids go to Los Vegas looking for it.

:-P

looks cool mate.

[tillman]

Finally some paint.
Blocked and primed three times.three coats of color three coats clear.

[tillman]

Dark blue and silver.I hope I got it right on my colors

[lineberrcasey]

I respect what your're doing there is nothing of the sort around here, everything i know i have learned from my dad and here, i like it so far cant wait to see it sitting in daylight keep up the great work

[Z06killinSBF]

Looks killer!! I like it, nice work

[Motown 454]

Very Nice.

[PjMenier2012]

It looks really great. It's the new hoss of the road I can tell you that.

[tillman]

6755167552Wet sand and buff tomorrow

[tillman]

I am not sure my color worked out.It looks purple most of the time.

[AusMarty]

haha - only real men drive purple Camaro's!

Boss.

[Z06killinSBF]

Looks good, need sunlight pics to tell

[tillman]

Not sure I like the dark paint .Its not blue.It is either blue or purple depending on the light.Still needs a lot of cleaning and and the chrome installed.It is back to school tomorrow. I have thirty 15 to 17 year olds waiting to get their hands back on it.

[VegaGT]

The re-do on the stripes came out much better than the original!! Need a bright sun shot for that color, to see the color. I did a Ranger in Ford Twilight blue quite a while ago, looked black most of the time until the light hit it.