Upgraded Oil Pan for a LS2? What's the best?

[monza]

Looking for a upgraded oil pan to replace the stock GM, what are some opinions on the best upgrades out there for a modified LS2?

Thanks!

[tom_a]

I have an ATS pan with remote oil filter however not sure if you can get them anymore. If I was in the market for one and could not get an ATS I would go with this one http://www.autokraft.org/products/

[chicane67]

I think Tyler still has a few wet sump pans...

[Steve1968LS2]

If you can't get an ATS pan then Canton makes a nice f-body style pan with a trap door style baffle. Just make sure you tell them if it's going to be a stroker. lol

[strtlegal]

im using the autokraft and its nice product. decent price to

[Moose]

I'm just looking for a budget style oil pan, but I think I may get the autokraft. I've read to many things about the LH8 oil pan that gm sells.. and worried about fitment on other things. going to do it one time and be done.

[Sparky67]

I used the Champ Oil pan on my LS3 Engine with the Harrop Supercharger. That is the company that makes the oil pan for AutoKraft. http://www.champpans.com/index.cfm?event=testimonials&id=59

Jeff

http://www.kodakgallery.com/67rscamaro

[Shawn MacAnanny]

I am running a Moroso 7qt pan with remote mount filter. Very nice pan. Has -10an lines for the remote mount oil filter. Has a trap door baffle inside and all. I got it from Jegs.

Pan - $220
Oil pick up tube - $90
remote mount kit with various fittings and lines - $100-150.

I'm very happy with the pan in my 68. I dont have any oil starvation with even my high volume high flow pump from LPE (higher than the melling 296). I see 70psi at hot idle with 5w30 mobile 1.

[Moose]

I am running a Moroso 7qt pan with remote mount filter. Very nice pan. Has -10an lines for the remote mount oil filter. Has a trap door baffle inside and all. I got it from Jegs.

Pan - $220
Oil pick up tube - $90
remote mount kit with various fittings and lines - $100-150.

I'm very happy with the pan in my 68. I dont have any oil starvation with even my high volume high flow pump from LPE (higher than the melling 296). I see 70psi at hot idle with 5w30 mobile 1.

where did you mount the filter, and how low does the pan hang? below the cross member?

[Shawn MacAnanny]

Here are some pics. From the pictures it looks like it hangs below the crossmember but it doesnt. I was very careful abotu this. Its about even with the bottom of the crossmember and i cannot find any pictures i took from the front for some reason. My whole oiling system holds 8 quarts so even with the extremely high volume pump (1.37cu.in./rpm) i have no starvation issues even at 7000rpm. the oil filter lines i ran through the frame stand and mounted on the driverside wheel well.

[Moose]

thanks Shawn for the pictures. That did help!:twothumbs

[strtlegal]

moose,

I'll get you some pics of how mine sits in the car. I bought the BRP hotrods one before I read all the reviews, nice product but the lh8 pan hangs down way way to low. I had a rack and pinion on the car ( it is very low) and it would scrap on things in the road. the lh8 pan hung lower then it.

with there mounts the motor is raised up a bit and moved forward. I dont know why anyone would use this pan if they are not running BRP mounts, an F-body pan works fine, some come in contact with the tie rods some dont.

I ordered an Autokraft just so maybe I could use the smaller sump with out having to switch out the brp mounts, nope the center link would hit the pan, so i had to switch out to Autokraft mounts, which are just like ATS's, man the motor sits in ther perfectly and the pan doesnt hang down at all. it looks just like that moroso one in the picture above, Except the Autokraft still uses the factory oil filter location...

if you'd like pics of the BRP vs Autokraft ill post them. Its a good comparison.

[69cutlassrkt]

I would like to see the pics of brp vs autokraft. I have the brp mounts and the lh8 oil pan for my cutlass.

[strtlegal]

well after looking through my pics i caint find one underneath the car with the LH8 pan on it, but have motor position pics. the one with the BRP mounts (eyelet ones) have the motor sit up higher than the normal ats/autokraft and as you can see further forward.
brp
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/03/100_2762-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/03/100_2761-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/03/100_2830-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/03/100_2829-1.jpg

autokraft pan and mounts

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/03/100_2885-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/03/100_2875-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/03/100_2874-1.jpg

[Moose]

ok so the two pics on the bottom are the autokraft and there stands. looks like i have enough room to mount the coil packs on the back of the heads as well..

did you get yours directly from autokraft?

what headers are you using and any issues? I plan on keeping stock steering box and going from there. Looking at kooks 1 7/8th, they say they will work with stock steering.

Thanks Strtlgl..

[strtlegal]

yep you got it. I went with BRP headers that are 1 7/8" steped but after waiting a long time for them and since i switched the mounts i couldnt use them...beautiful header, they were made by headman for there specs, i wish i could use them because they are a flawless product, but they hang down way to low because the motor now sits lower than with brp mounts....

[ProBell]

Fab-U-This in Torrington CT, modified my 99 Camaro pan for me. Just a thought if you have or can get a newer Camaro pan.You do not need to relocate any thing if you do not want to. If you are interested let me know.
Looks similar to the pan Street And Performance sells but he keeps the baffles in it. I lost one motor running a Street and Performance pan.
Randy

[TitoJones]

Here is a pic of our LSX road race pans to help show you the quality and engineering that went into them.

Here is an external view- the pan is CNC laser cut, bent and fixture welded by TIG, and finished in clear powdercoating:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/33xc4u8-1.jpg

We include all the items needed to bolt the pan down; full metric stud kit with flange nuts, brand new GM oil pan gasket, two -12AN fittings to help ease plumbing of the remote oil filter kit, a 1/8" NPT fitting off the remote oil line to allow bolt in of an Autometer oil pressure gauge, two 3/8" NPT plugs at the front of the pan for twin turbo oil drain backs, and even an additional 1/8" NPT plug in the rear of the sump for an oil temp sending unit. We even give a new oil pick up with O ring to help keep the engine fed.

Here is a close up of the welds:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/rkbtdh-1.jpg

Our pan has internal 4 way trap doors for oil control during road racing, and an aluminum windage tray to help keep oil off the crank, and in the sump:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/kcjmgp-1.jpg

More detail and beauty shots:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/midx04-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/ac5yeg-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/63vqkx-1.jpg

The pan does not hang below the frame at any point either, making it a top choice for low vehicles. We also choose to use the remote mount oil filter to keep the high temp of the header heat out of the oiling system; a must for track days.

Tyler

[vp23271]

Tyler, Good to see you back on the board!

[Shawn MacAnanny]

That pan is just amazing. It makes me want to take mine off and get yours. If it were easier to do i probably would haha.

[monza]

Looks great Tyler! Emailed you...

[strtlegal]

Tyler, your such a show off.....lol

[JEFFTATE]

Nice Pan Tyler !

[strtlegal]

I would have bought tylers pan but it kept saying back order...so i had to come up with something else quick, my only other option was the autokraft

[ProBell]

Tyler the pan and design are beautiful-l-l-l-l-l-l----. What is the cost for your pan?

[Shawn MacAnanny]

I think his pan is about $550 which isnt bad at all. Those AN fittings are about $30 each and thats a GM gasket which is about $90. I paid $220 for my moroso pan, plus $90 for the pick up tube, $90 for the gasket, and another $60 in AN fittings so really his pan isnt but about $90 more looks ten times better, has larger oil line fittings, and a better trap door design. Also he includes studs with his pan i believe.

[MCMLXIX]

Tyler's ATS pan is on the verge of being PORNOGRAPHIC... with the clear powdercoat it looks like artwork... I am lucky enough to live in Vegas and have been to the shop... I will definitely be running and ATS pan on my Chevelle!

BTW - you can still order off the ATS webite.... www.t56kit.com

direct link to pan: http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=ats&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=816829860&Count2=733970284

[Moose]

Ok, so now I'm torn again. With ATS pan, it comes with gaskets and the fittings. The autokraft pan doesnt come with gaskets? But it doesnt need remote filter either.

I'm on a budget, love to buy Tyler pan.. but looks like another 350 for remote filter stuff according to his web site.

so autokraft, 399$ but needs 90$ in gaskets.
ATS, 550$ comes with everything I need minus Remote filter. And it looks like a wok of art.:eek:

will have header clearance issues with either pan? looking at kooks 1 7/8

[strtlegal]

LOL,,,this is just a pan....

just an FYI my oil pan is just your typical stamped steel pan, nothing like his pan, another thing that you may have to do with autokraft ( not sure on the ATS pan) is you might have to drill and tap a little hole on some LS motors, mine I didn't have to do but have read others need it because the hole is there on the new pan but not on the GM block..

[Steve1968LS2]

I like Tyler's pan more than the Canton pan, but I needed the ultra low front clearance (like on the f-body pan)

Here's what I'm running in the Track Rat. Right now he makes them for the f-body and GTO oil pans, but I think he's working on one for the LS2 pans.

It replaces the "so so" GM baffling with a trap door style system. If you already have the GM pan then the cost is $200. If you're on a super tight budget it's not bad option.

http://www.improvedracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_3&products_id=30

[CarlC]

Here's what I'm running in the Track Rat. Right now he makes them for the f-body and GTO oil pans, but I think he's working on one for the LS2 pans.

But that still uses the F-body pan which does not lend itself well to some stock frame/subframe swaps unless it is heavily modified. And after modifications, does the add-in baffle part fit? By the time you get done with questionable modifications and add-on parts the costs may be comparible to a good aftermarket pan.

The pan is one place not to scrimp on for a car that turns.

[Sparky67]

If you are looking at cost then you might want to consider Champ Oil Pans steel for the LS engines. DSE recommends these oils pans for their subframes. Here is a link from their website. http://www.champpans.com/index.cfm?event=productdetail&id=193
Price according to the website is only $255.

Here is their Aluminum pan for the LS engines.
http://www.champpans.com/index.cfm?event=productdetail&id=194

Jeff

http://www.kodakgallery.com/67rscamaro

[neki67]

If you are looking at cost then you might want to consider Champ Oil Pans steel for the LS engines. DSE recommends these oils pans for their subframes. Here is a link from their website. http://www.champpans.com/index.cfm?event=productdetail&id=193
Price according to the website is only $255.

Here is their Aluminum pan for the LS engines.
http://www.champpans.com/index.cfm?event=productdetail&id=194

Jeff

http://www.kodakgallery.com/67rscamaro

Do they include the pick up tube and the gasket with those pans?

[Sparky67]

Do they include the pick up tube and the gasket with those pans?

I bought mine about 9 months ago. I know the pickup tube was an extra cost item, but don't recall about the gasket. Just give them a call or send them an email. Personally, I rather deal with the manufacturer of the oil pan, than buy from another company that packages it as kit for an increased cost.

Jeff

http://www.kodakgallery.com/67rscamaro

[strtlegal]

seams those autokraft pans and champ pans are the same...

[TitoJones]

seams those autokraft pans and champ pans are the same...

They are. We even used to use them for our 1st batch back in 2005, but we wanted to offer a pan that matched the quality of our other parts, so we do it in house now.

Tyler

[Steve1968LS2]

But that still uses the F-body pan which does not lend itself well to some stock frame/subframe swaps unless it is heavily modified. And after modifications, does the add-in baffle part fit? By the time you get done with questionable modifications and add-on parts the costs may be comparible to a good aftermarket pan.

The pan is one place not to scrimp on for a car that turns.

I guess it all depends. For the average guy that's going to hit the local autocross it seems to be a big improvement over a stock f-body pan. Lots of f-bodies running lots of tracks with stock pans. Just trying to show a lower cost option. If you have the $$$ then a full on pan is the way to go.

In my case I need a stock f-body pan with my aftermarket subframe, I'm not the only one with that need. If you need a modded pan then spend the cash on a pan like the ATS.

Again, what I posted was for guys with non-modded f-body pans. :)

[Camaross82]

Ok so the autokraft pan will not work with the brp mounts. Is there any other pan that will? Dont want the LH8 pan.

[strtlegal]

not that i could find, thats why i got rid of my brp mounts and lh8 pan..the autokraft was the closest pan to wrking but was still to close the center link...

[NvrDun71]

Does the Autokraft pan utilize the OE gasket? Any sealing issues associated w/ the steel pan to the aluminum block?

[strtlegal]

It fit great, Since I had a spare pan I just had tor drill the rivets out to use the gaskets on this pan. but all the bolts lined up perfectly and the gasket fit nice and snug.

[Camaross82]

Do you think a modified F-body pan would work? really like the mounts and wlould like to use their headers.

[Gandalf]

Not to hijack the thread but for anyone interested - I have an unused ATS RoadRace pan setup I will be selling in a week or so once my engine is back from the builder. The pan came mounted on my previous LSx which I have since sold. The engine had never been fired and the pan is just like new We are going to stick with the dry-sump on the LS7 so we won't be needing this pan afterall (a shame because these really are a work of art - makes the engine look 10x better IMHO). PM me if interested.

We now return to your normal programming.....

G