The car that Did it for you

[XLexusTech]

So I got to thinking about why I am building my car in the pro-touring / Street fighter style. I realised it boiled down to two things.
First was in my youth my buddy had a 12 sec Grand National and we used to do a bit of light to light at the local NY hot spots. One night, a Gold AMX literally destoryed us from a roll and then from the next light. The driver then proceeded to make a U turn and we swore that the car was on rails. After a few loops we saw him parked so we pulled in. His car was awesome, SBC with EFI and traction control relaly nice all hand made or adapted form OE stuff. This was maybe 1990 or possiably even earlier. He was way ahead of his time. This car really made an impression on me.

The next thing that made me want to build this genere of car was an articicle in about a guy who raced in those cross country races like cananoball. He wanted to build a bad ass muscle car that would compete with the supercars. He was building an early 70's camaro. Not sure what ever came of it.

So what got you into this scene?

[BonzoHansen]

Just evolved here. I spent a lot of time making my old 82 T/A keep up with later 3rd & early 4th gens.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

a combination of these cars and games..

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the video game roadblasters.
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Mach rider
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and Spy hunter
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the movie the wraith.
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and this car..
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and finally my fathers 68 camaro.. that just put it all in one basket.

i think i tried to live out those games and movies through one car.. i always like the idea of cars racing on wild courses.. so i guess it all played out.

[Van B]

Red Witch is the car that did it for me. :hail:

[dylanCamaro582]

Mark Stielow's Thrasher and Mule. I saw the Thrasher in PHR tv about 5 or 6 years and searched for anything info on it until I cam across CHP artilce and then fround this site and have grew my knowledge on muscle cars from this site.
Also Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s 2nd Gen ERACER Camaro and Brett Evan's 2nd Gen Splitter TA. Plus playing Need For Speed and building car models.

[mikey]

No car really just the way these cars are built in general. I mean I want to do hot august nights,power tour,woodward and a few others. I got to thinkig about driving cross country in a 4 speed 3:73 geared car at 65-70. Doesn't sound very ejoyable to me sure it's great for short trips and cruise nights. But I'll take a old car with more modern hot rodded drivetrains and suspension any day.

[zbugger]

No car really for me. The way I drive kinda mandated I build my car this way. Twisty roads are just too much fun for me. I will say though that the Hotchkis F71 Camaro motivated me more.

[BA.]

I wasn't fortunate enough as a youngster to ride in musclecars but my Uncle did have 60-something Mustang back when I could only barely see over the dash. That made an impression.

Other than that, it was really subscriptions to Car Craft, PHR and Hot Rod and movies like Dirty Mary/Crazy Larry, Vanishing Point, Gumball Rally and 2 Lane Blacktop. Oh, and Bullitt.

[Tom Welch]

For me it was the old Trans Am race cars.

[bamadale]

my older brother had a duster 340 but the cars i remember the most when i was a freshman in h.s. was a orange aar cuda and a marina blue 1966 nova ss that a couple of sr's had. i can still visualize these cars 31 yrs later. also i loved the old trans am race series.

[Bigblue73]

Big Red for me. I grew up being the drive shaft guy for my dad and his friends. They raced a 63 Max Wedge Polara and few 69 Chargers. I thought Big Red was cool being extremely powerful, go like kid after candy and turn and stop as a bonus. Really opened up my eyes anyway.

[Motown 454]

When I was 15 we used to hang at this little triangular shaped park, it was on Main st. On Saturday's all the nice cars would drive downtown to show off. They went right by us. That was 1970 . From before I could see it ,I could hear this car rumbling down the street with cracked headers. (It gives me chills thinking of how it sounded) It was a 69 Daytona Yellow Z28 With ET mags and a set of slicks. It Was an older guy Richie Ramano who I became frieds with . You know him the guy with all the new cars and could talk the Sunday school teacher out of he cloths. From the day I saw that car I wanted a Z28. I was lucky I got my liscence in December of 71 By April I had a REd 69 Z28. Later I got a 73 Z28 I kept untill 1983. I never lost interest in them but the economy and family kept it only a dream.
I started looking for another one in 2002 and stumbled on to this and other sites . When I Saw the Alumin8tor in a magazine It was like I was 15 again and that Yellow Z28 drove back into my life.I was a lost cause. Scense then I have fallen in love with Hundreds of cars on these pages. Thanks to all for the help and ideas !
Wayne

[WMCC Doug]

It was the Penske/Sunoco Camaros in the late 60's that got to me. Mark Donahue was my hero back then.

[shmoov69]

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http://www.bigredcamaro.com/newsite/

I remember seeing a blurb in either Road & Track or Motor Trend about some open road race they were in and driving a Feriarri (I think) at about 170 and got blown away from "what looked like 69 Camaro taillights"!
THAT hooked me forever! But I did like cars and espically first gens forever. My first model was a blue and white 68 Z28 when I was 5 years old!

[fishtail8]

I've got alot of things that got me where I am and into cars. I crewed on a sprint car for 10yrs, which turned me onto race technology. The first car to really drop my jaw was CadZZilla... I never knew a car could be mean, sleek, and classy all in one shot. Then Big Red got my attention too... Now I want a CadZZilla outside, but with some Big Red on the inside...

[BMF Machine]

a combination of these cars and games..

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the video game roadblasters.
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Mach rider
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and Spy hunter
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Loved SpyHunter as a kid. Day'um that brings back memory's! Thanks for posting that Vengeance!

[Jim Nilsen]

I just wanted to always have a nice classy ,somewhat flashy custom racecar for the street that was easy to look at ,easy enough to maintain and didn't draw the attention to the police that the cars that were always getting harrased were.

That has always left it open for me to have an interest in all cars and not have any predjudice against any make or model domestic or foriegn. My dad tried to make me just a Ford guy along with the rest of the people around back then in the 60's. But with all of the cool cars that kept coming out from all over I just could never lock myself down to a singled out make model or country. I took a lot of crap from a lot of people for some of the cars I liked.

When people see my car most can't lock it into a style or category and I like that! Even the rule book had to be thrown out to build it since too many modifications in one place and too much like a street car in others just plain makes it an outcast.

That's why I love this place and most all of the people here. It's a community of like minded car enthusiast like myself and I like the freedom of it all. Somehow I have been accepted here from the beginning even though I am not really building a P/T car to the fullest form of one. I do however have a 67 Camaro and I remember in the beginning here when some had to ask if you could be a member if you had something other than a first gen Camaro.

Did i say I love this place and thanks to everyone who let's me be here and be me !!!!

[Bow Tie 67]

Around 1981 while in H.S. I had my first sighting of a British green 1968 Z/28, I fell in love. The owner would roll by our school in 1st around 25 mph, the sound of a 302, chambered exhaust, 4:10's and the distinctive whine of an M22 left an indelible impression. I would see this car once every 4 weeks, or so. Years later I happened to meet the current owner. He had purchased it within a week of my 67 coming home. By word of mouth he bought it from the same guy who owned it when I first laid eyes on it. I found out the car had 12.1 pistons in it and a larger cam. I became friends with the owner and ended up going for a nice spirited drive in the car, holy-crap it had balls.

edit:

After reading the first post I realized this was about pro-touring. Well the above story was what hooked me on Camaros. RTTH 2 is what hooked me on a corner carver, in particular the DSE test car. It was behind my modded 95 track car during Bill's back woods boggie. It was lager than life in my rear-view and had next to no lean in the off camber curves.

[cantvalve16]

The first one for me would be my dad's '78 Z28. Tunnel rammed 350, 4 speed, lowered over 15x8's all around. Poly graphite front suspension and 3:55's. He drove it everywhere because it was his only car. Scared quite a few of his friends with high speed cornering. That was my first influence with this stuff.

I really love the drag look, but the fragile street function keeps turning me back to the Trans AM style. I really got attached to the idea of being able to throw a car around when I had my 5.0 Mustang. Stock suspension on 17x8.5 ROH's. I drove it hard. Canyon roads, country roads, freeways. I even drove it up to the mountains in the dirt to go camping. Everywhere was fun to drive in that car.

My current car ('64 Ranchero) will have a definite eye toward handling without being to blingy. Want to go toward a more Shelby R model look and feel. When all is said and done, I want to be able to throw it around like a stock 5.0.

[jv982]

The car that got me interested in Pro-touring was the RedLine Oil Chevelle. :eek:

It seems to have fallen off the face of the earth... I can't seem to find anything online or my old magazines.

[dropit69]

MULE ..seen it in PHR and was hooked and FUel...is one of my all time favs...

[XLexusTech]

Holy small world Here is the AMX!

https://www.pro-touring.com/featured_cars/AMC/Pete_Mungo_AMX/pete_mungos_1969_amx.htm

[jaybee]

When I was in High School "the look" was all jacked up in the back with air shocks to clear the N50s in back with maybe F70s or something on the front. Everything I observed and learned about making a car work well told me that approach was wrong. Then I saw a few cars that were low over the widest tires that would fit inside the wheel wells. Those cars worked way better in every way. From there it just progressed.

[protour73]

Brian Cope's '70 RS Camaro.......http://www.carbuff.net/ this was the first, detailed "protouring" build that I ever saw......put me over the edge.

[amx2334]

Holy small world Here is the AMX!

https://www.pro-touring.com/featured_cars/AMC/Pete_Mungo_AMX/pete_mungos_1969_amx.htm

Here it is again. http://www.carcraft.com/eventcoverage/116_0602_1969_real_street_eliminator_amc_amx/index.html

[Fesler built]

For me when I was a kid my dad had the 1969 Convertible Camaro white with orange stripes, that car was a blast and to think he sold it for something like $4000 back in the day. From there he went to a full on custom lowered 55 Chevy nomad and that was so fun to cruise and work on. It was lowered with 16" wheels so for the time is was very custom.

[rayy]

Bear Brakes 69 Mustang is what bit me back in the day!

[TERMN8OR]

It was by brothers 64 falcon convertible that did it for me. I'm not really a ford guy, but that was a cool car.

[jknight16]

I have no idea what actually turned me on to muscle cars (first car was a 70 Chevelle bought in '98), but I distinctly remember seeing Steve C's car in a magazine years later (it must have been shortly after it was completed) and thinking it was the coolest style of muscle car I had seen. The style of wheels, tires and the extremely unique paint scheme were some specific things I remember noticing. Not to mention the interior style and spoilers... but really the 'total package' approach that car clearly represented is what stayed with me and got me thinking, I want something like that!

[JohnLClark]

It was five cars that got me interested


Big Red
Vintage Air Studebaker 200MPH with the a/c on.
Novette
Penske Camaro
Charger Daytona


Cars that can haul ass while looking killer.

Almost forgot Scott Sullivans 55 Chevy and 64 T-bolt replica. First time I saw a new FI engine swapped into a old body.
Started the new engine, old body style idea for me.

[BossaNova]

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[ZZ430]

For me it was the first taste of the awesome torque of a GMC 6-71 roots blower motor in a BB 55 Chevy way back in the day........I thought I had driven quick cars before, but that did it!

It was a full caged PS car with slicks....driven on the street! :smoke:

Since then I have been closer to a car that corners other than blinding straight-line speed.

[Otto-813]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/twolaneblacktop1971poster-1.jpg
“Make it 3 yards mother ****er and we’ll have an automobile race !”

I love that line in the movie!

Not really one car I can put my finger on but I love any car that has a "stock" body. Not like nascars, but like BTCC or some classes of SCCA, the GT1 and GT2 lemans classes. Pretty much a production car that has been modified to rip **** up!

[Paul_J]

American Grafitti, Milner's Coup. The big kids in the neighborhood took me to see it when it first came out in theaters. They knew I really liked cars and said I had to see this one. It was the first movie I saw without my parents! There have been many cars since then and I have a wide automotive interest but that yellow '32 really got it started.

[Jim Nilsen]

It was five cars that got me interested


Big Red
Vintage Air Studebaker 200MPH with the a/c on.
Novette
Penske Camaro
Charger Daytona


Cars that can haul ass while looking killer.

Almost forgot Scott Sullivans 55 Chevy and 64 T-bolt replica. First time I saw a new FI engine swapped into a old body.
Started the new engine, old body style idea for me.

The Novette was the car that totally made me convinced that I could do the vette suspension to my Camaro and that was when the name Cormaro was created for me.

Now it is almost a reality ready to make it to the road. The dream has been a long time coming and it has evolved right along with technology. There are parts on my car now that were only on indy and formula one cars when I first came up with the dream of doing it.

It is wonderful how taking my time and being patient will put it all together and only having to do it once !!!

[awr68]

For me it was The Mule! Been hooked, and broke, ever since!!

[dipren443]

For me it was The Mule! Been hooked, and broke, ever since!!

I have to blame Stielow as well, but not El Mule. I remember reading the tech articles when he was building his first 69 to compete in One Lap. That car set the tone for me. Ever since then, I have wanted a corner carving musclecar.

[Norm Peterson]

I guess my automotive interest has always been more sports car oriented with a wish for more straight line "oomph" than the other way around. I know that preference predates my driver's license by a few years.

Probably the first car that put all of the performance aspects together for me was the McLaren-Elva Chevrolet Can-Am car that Road & Track did a road (road course, actually) test on back around 1965. Brutal acceleration numbers for its time, and it was a road-racer. Still have that issue somewhere.

The cars that added at least a hint of daily utility to all-around performance were the Trans-Am cars, most memorably Ford's Boss 302. But those cars came later.


Norm

[69TAPoser]

It actually wasn't a street car that did it for me. I grew up about 3 blocks from Oswego Speedway in Oswego, NY. I started going to the races at around age 9 (1978) and have been hooked on cars ever since. For those that don't know what a Supermodified is:

Then:
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Now:
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Phil

[critter]

Wow. Let's see...

When I was a kid our house was on the street that led to the only dirt track oval in our area. Every Saturday night there was a steady stream of muscle rolling by. So there was plenty of inspiration at an early age. When I was an adolescent the college boy one street over had a 1967 GTO. He never left his neighborhood without making sure we all knew it. He went threw tires like they were toilet paper.

Then, as an adult, I went to one of the early NMCA finals in Memphis. Walking the pits made my head swim. Here were all those cars that used to cruise by on the way to that dirt track oval. There were AMXs, Camaros, Corvettes, GTOs, Trans Ams and more! I was hooked. I had to have one. My wife and I went out and bought a 67 Camaro shortly after that and we've had at least one muscle car ever since then.

[mosconiac]

There were 3 cars that lit the fuse for me.

First was my brother's 70 GTO. It was bronze/brown with a tan top. This was in the mid-70's so it was jacked up with slot mags. I wish there were pics of it. :( It looked a little like this one...use your imagination for the color/wheels.

http://www.santiagosc.com/auctions/Auction%20Cars%20Tulsa%2007/70%20GTO.JPG

Second was a red 68 GT500 owned by a local kid. I saw it round about 1978. He did a burnout at the local gas station hangout. The tires were screaming so loud my ears hurt! The contrast of beautiful car doing something so violent was intoxicating for this 12 year old.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/1968shelbygt5002002-1.jpg

Third was the Arntz cobra on the cover of June 1980 Hot Rod. I bought a back issues a couple of years back just to relive the article.

http://usedmagazines.com/titles/HotRod/1980/

[Young Gun]

Ted Hellard's 1968 mustang fastback that was featured in the August 2006 issue of PHR as well as Trevor Jordan's '77 Trans am in the same issue...both made me think completely differently about hot rods

[Charley Lillard]

Red Witch and Big Red.

[4086D9]

The mule.....:)

[DriverzInc]

What got me in to Pro-touring cars? DSE's Twister Camaro, and Troy's Chicayne. By far the two most influential cars that got me into this scene.
What got me in to cars? I fell in love with the cars from the movie American Graffiti. I wanted my first car to be a black 55, but I ended up with a 56. It's been an obsession since then.

[rlplive]

This one
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[mburrow]

I was driving my dads 63 Bel Air in 74-75 with 283 4 barrel. Then I was gonna buy a Maverick Grabber, burgundy/gold with 302. One night at the local bowling alley hangout in Killeen Tx. a guy power slid into the parking lot in a Hugger Orange 70 Camaro. I went in and told the guy if he was interested in selling, I would be interested in buying. He was shooting pool for 20.00 back then in 75 and he told me to come back in 30 min. I did and the second time around he told me 1,700 cash. So that Monday, my last week of high school I bought it for no money down, 95.56 per month for 24 months. Seeing that Orange and I knew I had to have it.
Still driving it in 2008, been on past 4 longhaul power tours and other shows all around Texas. Never trailered, always driven, 433,000 miles ... thanks for reading.. mburrow waco tx

[Restomod]

Red Witch and Big Red.

X2
I just dont remember what one I saw first......

[Larry Callahan]

I think it was Mark Stielow's Tri-Tip for me.

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[Charley Lillard]

Mburrow....Now I gotta look for that orange 70 on Power Tour.

[rlplive]

I was driving my dads 63 Bel Air in 74-75 with 283 4 barrel. Then I was gonna buy a Maverick Grabber, burgundy/gold with 302. One night at the local bowling alley hangout in Killeen Tx. a guy power slid into the parking lot in a Hugger Orange 70 Camaro. I went in and told the guy if he was interested in selling, I would be interested in buying. He was shooting pool for 20.00 back then in 75 and he told me to come back in 30 min. I did and the second time around he told me 1,700 cash. So that Monday, my last week of high school I bought it for no money down, 95.56 per month for 24 months. Seeing that Orange and I knew I had to have it.
Still driving it in 2008, been on past 4 longhaul power tours and other shows all around Texas. Never trailered, always driven, 433,000 miles ... thanks for reading.. mburrow waco tx
Awesome story, got any pics?

[bobbaganoosh]

The car that inspired me was my own. It was a '72 Nova I bought when I turned 16 (nobody wanted those cars back then so it was cheap, wish I still had it, lol). When I joined the Marines I squirreled away every cent I could spare, I never went out or anything in order to save. I finally had a good hunk of change saved up, my car sprouted a 468 w/ rect. port heads & solid roller, loose converter, Weld skinnies & fatties, no sway bar, drag shocks, etc... totally "street racerd" out. It was fast in a straight line but after a while it got old to me, I wanted to go fast but I also wanted it to corner & stop well, and I also wanted a stick car. So I decided to go a different route, I didn't even know what "pro-touring" was back then.

[Stielow]

For me it was old T/A cars from the late 60's then Big Red.

Mark

[MuscleRodz]

I would say Big Red, but it is years before the term "pro-touring" and more "race car". I have always been a big fan of Trans-Am racing though

[Rybar]

Mark Stielow's Thrasher for sure:
https://www.pro-touring.com/featured_cars/Camaro/mark_stielow/thrasher_front.jpg

- Tyler Beauregards original 68 Camaro with the LT1-T56 swap

- The Mule when I first found this site

[Steve68]

In 72 or 73 there was a family that lived up the road, one of the kids had a 68 jacked up with alum slots, what stood out was the stars and striped painted on the complete car,

My dads and grandfathers 68 Cutlas S and 442,

My buddy Randys 68 SS Camaro BB car, car would run 11.40 with a 427, I used to drive it on the street when I was 16, what a blast,

Then a friends 57 BelAir 365 hp vette motor in it,

[130fe]

When car craft (think it was) ran an article in 97/98 on this car http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330277855972&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 I want to say it was John Ulaszek's but not sure. It got me pointed in this direction. The stielow cars and numerous others have kept me going since.

[Lowend]

I grew up around Ferrari's; learned to drive stick in a 308 GT4.
Early on I car to expect cars to do all things well...

I guess the real turning point to muscle cars was the De Tomaso Pantera - even though in hindsight it's not a great handling car; man what an animal

Is anything MORE Pro-touring than this
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/1972DeTomasoPanteraEngineBay351Cleveland-1.jpg

[Lowend]

Man - looking for photos - check this monster out
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/PIMHome10162006a-1.jpg

[TonyHuntimer]

This is what started the interest in Pro-Touring...https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/bloghotrod-1.jpg

But I wasn't sold until Big Red, when it hit Car Craft in 1988...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/abtonybigred-1.jpg

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[Tucks69]

This is what started the interest in Pro-Touring...https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/bloghotrod-1.jpg

But I wasn't sold until Big Red, when it hit Car Craft in 1988...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/abtonybigred-1.jpg

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

Didn,t they call them Cafe Racers in the early 80's?

[Scatpack]

My dad got me hooked on the Dukes of Hazzard a bunch of years ago and I do mean hooked. One day we were getting dropped off from school and there's dad with a tow truck. Hanging off the back was the most beautiful car I'd seen yet - a bondo'd up 69 Charger with a 440. I was only 12 at the time, but THIS was the THE car. I still remember sneaking out at midnight to fire it up and rev on it a couple of times. Glasspaks really wake up a neighbourhood!

We started restoring it to stock and then we came to the realization that we can make it turn and stop well too. Big Red just looked so bad a$$. I stil get goosebumps when I look at it. Bad Penny just gets me everytime too. Haha, I don't know if it's a good thing or not (of course it's a good thing) but Steven Rupp introduced me to the idea that a car can evolve and just be upgraded even when things aren't worn out. That Then there was Mr. Angry's 68, and that sold me on the console-less "give me a stick and something to steer it with" concept.

Then there's all of you guys posting updates and magazine shots. It pains me everytime I look at them but love it at the same time. Haha, I want grad school to be over so badly so I have more time and some money.

[TonyL]

here's what did it for me. An ancient cartoons submission from like 80 or 79 or something. I saw this as a kid and was floored.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

So floored that I kept this ONE cartoons mag.

[EPYON]

Like one guy said, the Can Am cars, my dads car and NASCAR. But seeing that Torino Fastback at Le Mans not being past but doing the passing. Then one day I saw the baddest car of all times The KING COBRA. When I saw that Torino, that was it until the Super Touring Cars and DTM. Big mid to full-size cars, 20" wheels, big wings, flares and engines, and could chase down a F-1 car. Pro-Touring just seem to fit with me and my big blocks.

[Steve68]

My 68 had Flares just like the red car on the cover of the Hot Rod magazine, I'll have to scan a picture,

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

that used to be the popular thing back then huh?

haha

[JEFFTATE]

The Big Red Camaro and the Penske / Donohue / Sunoco #6 Camaro.
And the Can-Am Cars.

[tony byram]

When I was in highschool, I was working as a gofer-shop boy at the local chevy dealership and got to see the 1970 Camaro unveiled. I got to drive it STILL IN THE PLASTIC! Well needless to say that did it for me! It was placier gold with a black vinyl top and parchment interior. I was hooked big time. And have been ever since. By the way it was a Z28 with black stripes.

[MrClean]

Big Red , panteras , the Mighty mouse chevelle from Hot Rod in the early 90's