ISIS – Intelligent Multiplex System???

[markd]

After reading posts by L & H Kustoms, reboot04 and researching the ISIS website, I am debating whether or not to go with the ISIS system instead of a traditional wiring harness.

The pro’s of the system seem to be reduced time / labor for installation, reduction in number of wires, the flexibility to add additional circuits, reduced weight, and its programmable. There’s even a key FOB that will allow you to turn on the parking lights, headlights, instrument panel, 4- way flashers, cooling fan override, panic switch, ignition and enable / disable the car.

Cons - The initial price… but it could equal out if it takes less time to install.

Does anyone else have experience with the Multiplex system? Any thoughts?

Their website: http://www.isispower.com/index.html

Reboot04 website: http://www.onelapcamaro.com/build/isiswiring.html

Thanks for the help,

Mark

[megaladon6]

have fun diagnosing a problem:hammer:

[markd]

have fun diagnosing a problem:hammer:

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well…but it does have an optional “diagnostic module” that helps you diagnose and troubleshoot the system. The module has a 4-line high intensity blue display. If it performs as advertised, it sure beats spending countless hours tracing your wires with a multi-meter trying to find the problem!

[CapSS92]

I dunno. I've installed a lot of wiring harnesses and I rarely run into a problem with a new harness using everything from the cheap Chinese $100 units to Ron Francis units. It's a nice unit but the price is pretty high. My .02


Alex

[ejharris]

Hey Guys,

Diagnostics are one of the strongest selling points of ISIS. Built into the MASTERCELL is the inSIGHT diagnostics module. This LCD allows the installer complete visibility to what is going on in the system. You can push a few buttons on the MASTERCELL and poll the critical functions from any POWERCELL attached to the system. You can get voltage at the POWERCELL, operating temperature of the board in the POWERCELL, and the status of each output node.

Troubleshooting of problems is very easy. Here's the path that you can follow:

First, everytime you close a switch, you get a written acknowledgement on the inSIGHT module. It tells you which switch closed and which POWERCELL and the output node that is supposed to react. Your switch is good and connected properly if you get the indication on the LCD screen. If you do not get any indication on the screen, you have a problem with your switch, the connection to the input harness or the connector on the MASTERCELL. If you get indication on the LCD, but it tells you that the target output node is incorrect, then your switch is connected to the wrong input wire.

Second, there is a "heartbeat" indicator on the MASTER & POWERCELL boxes. When these light blink, it confirms that each cell in the system is recognized and that they are communicating properly. If there is no heartbeat, it means that there is a problem with the CAN cable between the boxes or the connectors.

Third, each output node on the POWERCELL has a LED indicator and it does two things. First, this light is used to identify whether the output is on or off. You can flip the switch, confirm the switch closure on the inSIGHT module. If the light turns on when the switch is turned on, everything is working correctly. Second, the LED indicator on the output node also shows the status of the connection from the box to the load to ground. We continuously sink a few hundred microamps through each output node. Every load (lights, motors, solenoids) is connected to ground through some resistance. If the load is connected properly, the few hundred microamps leaks through the load to ground. If the load is not properly connected, those few hundred microamps have no place to go. The current passes through the LED and it glows, but at a lower brightness than when the output is on.

So here is the common diagnostic scenario. "My headlights have stopped working."

The first thing that I do is check the switch. I flip it and get the acknowledgement on the inSIGHT module. So I know that the switch is good and the connection to the MASTERCELL is good.

The second thing that I do is check for the heartbeat on the MASTERCELL and POWERCELLs. If I have a heartbeat, I know that the cells are communicating, the connectors and the cables are good.

The last thing that I do is check the LED indicator on the node on the POWERCELL. If the LED turns on, I know that the switch command is making it alway to the MOSFET that controls the output. If the LED is glows at half-power when the output is turned off, then I know that the the connection is broken somewhere between the output of the MOSFET and the ground connection. That means that a wire has broken, the fuse has opened or the filament in my headlight has burned out.

It is just that easy.

[TitoJones]

I was going to say, Diagnosis is the easy part of this system. I highly recommend this product to anyone. Seems backwards to put anything less than this system in your vehicle if it needs a chassis harness.

ejharris is one of the guys behind the system, great guy to know. Can't wait to speak with you @ SEMA.



GO ISIS!!

Tyler

[Damn True]

ejharris,

Couple of questions:

Where are you guys located?

How long have you been in business?

What rev # is your current product offering?

[megaladon6]

We continuously sink a few hundred microamps through each output node. Every load (lights, motors, solenoids) is connected to ground through some resistance. If the load is connected properly, the few hundred microamps leaks through the load to ground. If the load is not properly connected, those few hundred microamps have no place to go. The current passes through the LED and it glows, but at a lower brightness than when the output is on.


very nicely designed :hail:

[Rhino]

Is there anywhere I can find pricing info? Or is it in the "If you have to ask..." category :)

[TitoJones]

From what I remember it was around the $850 mark. The money you spend on the system will be saved by install time. Painless, AAW Ron Francis, etc can be anywhere from 50-120 hours to install. Isis will take about 12-20 hours to complete. If you pay some shop to wire it up you will save thousands in labor alone.

Tyler

[Greg from Aus]

Hey guys

I am a complete Nube at wirring. So this will replace the whole wirring system in say a 69 camaro, as I have just removed the mess that was there?

Greg

[ejharris]

Hey Greg,

ISIS controls all of the body functions in the car. It can completely replace a traditional wiring harness plus offer additional functionality.

Check out what James and his team did for their One Lap Camaro. They have a whole section on their website devoted to documenting their ISIS Install. http://www.onelapcamaro.com/build/isiswiring.html

Jay Harris

[ejharris]

Hey Damn True,

We are located in Des Plaines, Illinois. Just north of Chicago. As a company, we have been in business for over 80 years. Our core business is circuit protection products for OEM applications.

ISIS is the product of a partnership between Littelfuse and I Squared Engineering. It is the third generation of their technology. They have been selling their relay-based "Million Mile" and MOSFET-based "1+1" systems for about 4 years now. There are about 1,500 of their systems in the market, mostly in kit cars.

We have been shipping ISIS for about three months now.

Jay Harris

[DarkoNova]

Jay, I'm definitely interested in the setup (not only for simplicity, but also to brag that the Nova has the same technology that my friend's BMW does lol). I'm just curious how I'd connect the engine harness from an LS1 to the Mastercell?

Thanks,
Matt

[zbugger]

This system has me interested as well. It's one of those "Really gotta save the money for that part" kinda things. I can't wait to save the money for it.

[70 Chevelle]

Hey Damn True,

We are located in Des Plaines, Illinois. Just north of Chicago. As a company, we have been in business for over 80 years. Our core business is circuit protection products for OEM applications.

ISIS is the product of a partnership between Littelfuse and I Squared Engineering. It is the third generation of their technology. They have been selling their relay-based "Million Mile" and MOSFET-based "1+1" systems for about 4 years now. There are about 1,500 of their systems in the market, mostly in kit cars.

We have been shipping ISIS for about three months now.

Jay Harris



You guys are less than a mile from me. Do you have any display cars showcasing the system?

[HWYSTR]

Jay, I'm definitely interested in the setup (not only for simplicity, but also to brag that the Nova has the same technology that my friend's BMW does lol). I'm just curious how I'd connect the engine harness from an LS1 to the Mastercell?

Thanks,
Matt

Only 'body functions', like lights and accessories, but, obviously key-on and starter function(s) as well. An ECU would be wired independant, and only require key-on and power.

[Rhino]

From what I remember it was around the $850 mark. The money you spend on the system will be saved by install time. Painless, AAW Ron Francis, etc can be anywhere from 50-120 hours to install. Isis will take about 12-20 hours to complete. If you pay some shop to wire it up you will save thousands in labor alone.

Tyler

Not nearly as bad as I was expecting. :)

[DarkoNova]

Only 'body functions', like lights and accessories, but, obviously key-on and starter function(s) as well. An ECU would be wired independant, and only require key-on and power.

You know, I realized that an hour or so after I posted.

This is definitely something I'll be adding to my car. :jump:

Matt

[GetMore]

I see that the systems are preotected by fuses, but what do they do about individual circuits? Does the unit sense a short in a line or will there have to be enough of a draw to blow one of the 60A fuses?

[kstorz]

Hey Guys -

For more information about ISIS...check out the website @ www.isispower.com or if you're planning on attending SEMA...stop by the ISIS booth (11153)

[kstorz]

You guys are less than a mile from me. Do you have any display cars showcasing the system?

HI 70 Chevelle -

We have multiple ISIS systems that will be at SEMA (L&H Kustoms/One Lap Camera, etc.). Our SEMA booth will have a rolling chassis with ISIS installled and two demo ISIS untis available to show off the features and benefits. The demo units will return to Des Plaines, but the chassis will be heading back to its owner. If your not able to make it out to SEMA next week...I'd be happy show the system after we return

[The WidowMaker]

so what would the typical order from a pt.com guy include? the 3 cell starter kit and the key fobs? anything else that would raise the price?

who can we buy from? prices are a little higher on your website than was stated.

Tim

[JamesJ]

The money you spend on the system will be saved by install time. Painless, AAW Ron Francis, etc can be anywhere from 50-120 hours to install. Isis will take about 12-20 hours to complete.

Tyler


Please give me some insight on if you get a AAW wiring harness that has all the ends already finished out and all cut to length, that the installation time could take up to 120 hours?

[Bow Tie 67]

Please give me some insight on if you get a AAW wiring harness that has all the ends already finished out and all cut to length, that the installation time could take up to 120 hours?

It wont if its truly setup like you say. I spent 3 months on and off ( the on, off part made it longer, hmm now where was I with this mess LOL ) wiring a 4th gen harness into my 69. I saved alot of money but spent alot of time. Well to each their own, I enjoy the wiring its what I have been doing at work for 20 odd years. There system looks very nice, but obviously its not a neccessity. AS has been said Isis WILL save labor time, just make sure you have someone install it who has a clue in the first place.

As far as the troubleshooting and dianosis, I personally prefer a multimeter and being able to disect the systems, vs hardware / software doing it for me.

Matt

[JamesJ]

As far as the troubleshooting and dianosis, I personally prefer a multimeter and being able to disect the systems, vs hardware / software doing it for me.

Matt

I agree, I am a keep it simple kind of person, a power probe is all you need.

This is a neat product, I just think that with all the aftermarket stuff that is out today for camaros getting somethign like this is just not the best decsion. To many new things to worry about... mounting the boxes, getting all wire (every color)...

[ejharris]

You guys are less than a mile from me. Do you have any display cars showcasing the system?

Hey Tony,

We had a car with the system installed here in out plant but we shipped it out to Vegas for SEMA. The car is now on its way back to its owner in Kentucky. We have a few different demos here at the office. Let me know if you would like to come by and we can walk you through the system.

Jay

[oestek]

This system is very cool... we'll be posting a video interview / demo of how it works from SEMA later this week.

[markd]

This system is very cool... we'll be posting a video interview / demo of how it works from SEMA later this week.

Can’t wait to see the video – thanks!

[Damn True]

Has anyone installed both an Isis and an AAW or Painless system that can shed some light on the differences in install time/materials costs?

[Flash68]

This system is very cool... we'll be posting a video interview / demo of how it works from SEMA later this week.

any update on this?

thanks

[Sparky67]

any update on this?

thanks

Here is the video

http://v8tvshow.com/content/view/694/1/

[CRead01]

I just watched the video on this and to be honest before I saw this video I was kinda thinking it was alot of money to just wire up your car.

After watching the video I am sold. I think the major selling point of the system is suposed to be the ease of wiring and the extra things you can do with diagnostics but, I love the idea of the security of the whole system. It seems so much better than anything else on the market.

even as I write this post I am thinking of some cool things to do with it.

time to save my pennies.

[Bow Tie 67]

Ok, I just watched the video, this is one killer system, it reminds me of systems I use on aircraft.

[Van B]

What do you do with gauges? I suppose wire the power for the gauge and the lighting into the module and wire the sending units as normal?

The link to One Lap Camaro install of this system is dead.

[70 Chevelle]

Hey Tony,

We had a car with the system installed here in out plant but we shipped it out to Vegas for SEMA. The car is now on its way back to its owner in Kentucky. We have a few different demos here at the office. Let me know if you would like to come by and we can walk you through the system.

Jay

PM sent

[MarkM66]

Please give me some insight on if you get a AAW wiring harness that has all the ends already finished out and all cut to length, that the installation time could take up to 120 hours?

I don't see how it could take anyone 50 hours. Even a beginner. It's not rocket science.

[James OLC]

What do you do with gauges? I suppose wire the power for the gauge and the lighting into the module and wire the sending units as normal?

The link to One Lap Camaro install of this system is dead.

Yeah - I was updating the site and somehow managed to move the page...

This link should work - http://www.onelapcamaro.com/isiswiring.html

[Turbo67camaro]

Sweeeeeeeeet system! I should have done my electrical research sooner. This product gives me a wootie...

No brainer choice. This is going in my car for sure.

OMG I wish some of the other choices were easier though.

[Larry Callahan]

This system is very cool... we'll be posting a video interview / demo of how it works from SEMA later this week.

Cool video. I'm sold. Even though my car is wired and working I will re-do it some day. I am anal about wiring and I think this will clean things up quite a bit.

[James OLC]

It's an awesome system. I've been working on the OLC for the last couple of weeks (getiing it ready for a little bit of fun) and have been cleaning up some of the wiring that I rushed for SEMA. The capabilities of the ISIS system is really amazing - it seems like every time I want it to something else, it can do it easily and more.

[Turbo67camaro]

James,

Does it look like 2 Powercells will get the job done on OLC, or did you need more than 2?

[Turbo67camaro]

Is this system compatible with most types of factory oem style switches?

[James OLC]

James,

Does it look like 2 Powercells will get the job done on OLC, or did you need more than 2?

I have 2 Powercells. One is under the dash and covers all of the wiring/loads at the front of the car; it is using 9 of the 10 available circuits. The other is mounted where the back seat would be (it could go in the trunk but I wanted to save as much storage space as possible) and is using 8 of the 10 available circuits.

2 Powercells should handle most applications easily although if a guy wanted to get tricky, I can see having a third


Is this system compatible with most types of factory oem style switches?

I have used both OEM and aftermarket switches in the '67 (both new and old). My starter button is a factory Ford GT piece, my ignition and headlights are Painless parts, and my turn signals and hazzard run through the stock GM steering harness.

The nice thing about the way that ISIS deals with switches is that it uses a ground trigger rather than a 12V+ signal so there are no 'live' wires under the dash and you don't have to worry about the current carrying abilities of the switches. You could easily use mini or micro swtiches if you wanted.

[Declawed69]

Can this be set up to work with a control module for sequential turn signals?

Neat system hate to loose sequential lights though

I guess it would have to be programed to provide constant power to the turn signal when switched.

[GetMore]

At the worst you would need to use three circuits per side for the sequentials. They might have a better way to do it, but you could have each bulb on its own circuit. Then you can program it to flash them however you like.

[mweber]

As stated, either way is possible for sequential turn signals with ISIS. Powering the existing control module uses less outputs on a Powercell but using one output per blub allows for more flexiblility. All depends on what you prefer and how many circuits you want to use.

Mike

[kenhaw]

I love it and want to get it asap. The price of a good alarm system and new wiring system is the same or more. And then ofcourse there is the fact that ISIS has a lot of blinking leds and stuff, I love it.

[AJSZR2326]

just ordered mine:smoke:

[oestek]

We just posted a podcast with Jay Harris of ISIS to learn more about the ISIS system, how it works, installs, troubleshoots, functions, etc. About 40 minutes long I believe. Click the pic or link below to check it out.

http://www.v8tvshow.com/forum/index.php/topic,7638.msg9869.html#msg9869

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif (http://www.v8tvshow.com/forum/index.php/topic,7638.msg9869.html#msg9869)

[Steve1968LS2]

Cool, the system for our Track Rat project just arrived..

VERY impressive kit.. lots of wire and connectors. Can't wait to tackle it.

[asifnyc]

Hey Kevin,
listened to the podcast today. had no idea it existed before bopping over to v8tv today so thanks for clueing me in. I love stuff like this that just fundamentally changes the way you look at a problem. just awesome!

[oestek]

It's a very cool system. We'll be posting install videos soon. If you're into tech stuff, this is it! Thanks for stopping by!

[1Michel]

I have 2 questions, one for Kevin, is the install video done?
the other is for I think is James at ISIS,

can this be installed in a Vette.
Is there any problems with grounds and stuff related with fiberglass bodies?

[camaro2nv]

Well this sux. I just bought a AAW kit and now I have to sell it.

[GetMore]

1Michel, I am by no means an expert, but I am pretty sure that no matter what wiring system you use they will work the same. So, if you install this in a fiberglass vehicle you need to make sure you've got good grounds, same as if it was a normal wiring harness.
So, you would need to run a ground wire to complete any circuit in the 'Vette, but as long as you do that it should work without any problems.

[camaro2nv]

We need a group buy on these.

[1Michel]

1Michel, I am by no means an expert, but I am pretty sure that no matter what wiring system you use they will work the same. So, if you install this in a fiberglass vehicle you need to make sure you've got good grounds, same as if it was a normal wiring harness.
So, you would need to run a ground wire to complete any circuit in the 'Vette, but as long as you do that it should work without any problems.

Thats what I tought, it's most probably the same as hot rods with fibreglass bodies ( 32,34 etc) and theyve probably been installed allready in some of these cars.
I really like this system.

[wellis77]

We need a group buy on these.

Amen to that! I'd bump my order date up for that. Planning to pick mine up in November. I'm gonna run 3 powercells and plan on getting real funky with mine. Momentary switches for everything, all but the wipers of course. Can't wait!

[The WidowMaker]

id be in too.....

[joejaze]

I have my system already however I am in need of a 3rd Powercell.

[wellis77]

I've been emailing a bit with Jay from ISIS and mentioned there were some comments about a group buy and asked if it was something he'd consider. He said he would be interested in doing something but we'd need at least 10 orders to put something together. Obviously the more you get the better the discount. I also don't have any idea at this point what it would look like in terms of pricing. Since I'm new here I also don't know the protocol for group buys and the like so if I'm stepping on toes let me know. From the little I read, since ISIS is a supporting sponsor it shouldn't be a problem. If there is enough interest to put something together and the discount is good enough, we should go for it. I would definitely be in as I need a 3 cell kit, an extra powercell and the inLink remote module.

If any of you have questions about the system or are curious about it, check out their site or shoot them an email. Jay has been awesome about answering all my questions.

By the way, if there is a formal process for putting together a group buy, please let me know. Thanks. Will

[Smitty_67]

I would be interested..

[Smitty_67]

Kevin or Jay,

The video had a wireless display controller. I don't see it on the ISIS web site. Is it available, yet?

[wellis77]

Hey Smitty, I Jay asked about the controller before. It's called inTouch and here is what he said...

"Regarding inTOUCH it should be available later in the year. We had to take a big piece of it back to the drawing board due to a problem with the battery supplier."

[Smitty_67]

Cool.. Thanks.. I already have the AAW kit for my Camaro but I was also looking at Alarm, keyless entry, keyless ignition, power locks, power windows, elec fan control, switches and controls for all, etc.. It looks to me that this system can tie all these seperate systems together and allow you to manage the behavior of these systems from ISIS.. It's looking more and more cost effective, the more I read about the capabilities.

[wellis77]

I was in much the same position as you, except I was looking at Ron Francis. The more I thought about things I wanted, keyless ignition, power locks, windows, fan, security features without an alarm, the more complicated it got with a traditional system. I stumbled on the ISIS system and immediately got excited about and started emailing with Jay. He's been awesome at answering all my questions and talking through what I want to do. I'm planning on running momentary billet aluminum switches for almost everything, wipers excluded but I had an idea about those that I want to run past Jay. I'm pretty pumped about it. Originally I was going to run the inTouch but I've since decided not too. I'm just going to use the normal remote but still get all the functionality I want plus the added security without having to buy an alarm. I keep going back and forth about the coolest part of my project (for me anyway) and this is definitely one of them.

[Smitty_67]

It definitely up's the cool factor.. I do wonder if two powercells will provide enough outputs for the number of things we are thinking to do?

[Smitty_67]

I was in much the same position as you, except I was looking at Ron Francis. The more I thought about things I wanted, keyless ignition, power locks, windows, fan, security features without an alarm, the more complicated it got with a traditional system. I stumbled on the ISIS system and immediately got excited about and started emailing with Jay. He's been awesome at answering all my questions and talking through what I want to do. I'm planning on running momentary billet aluminum switches for almost everything, wipers excluded but I had an idea about those that I want to run past Jay. I'm pretty pumped about it. Originally I was going to run the inTouch but I've since decided not too. I'm just going to use the normal remote but still get all the functionality I want plus the added security without having to buy an alarm. I keep going back and forth about the coolest part of my project (for me anyway) and this is definitely one of them.

Where can I find information on the billet switches?

[GetMore]

It definitely up's the cool factor.. I do wonder if two powercells will provide enough outputs for the number of things we are thinking to do?
I think you might find that you need three. I started counting up the thinks I'd want to do, and while it could be done with two, I'd be happier with three.
For instance, I'd like to have turn signals alternate (front/side), like on most cars. This adds two circuits. Having stop lamps and turn signals separate adds another.

[wellis77]

I think you might find that you need three. I started counting up the thinks I'd want to do, and while it could be done with two, I'd be happier with three.

Exactly why I'm doing three. One in the cab of the car, one in the trunk, one under the hood. Will leave me plenty of room for expansion later on and allow me to get everything done I want this first go around. To determine what I need I started laying it all out on a spreadsheet, including wire colors, locations, etc. Will make it a lot easier to program the custom stuff.

Smitty, here is a link to the buttons I'm using. Like I said, I'm using all momentary buttons and according to Jay, it won't be a problem to program the things I want. Here is the link:

http://www.thehoffmangroup.com/autoloc/product.lasso?prodinc=billetbuttons

Another cool feature about these buttons is they will etch them for $5 a piece. They have some graphics already, you can do custom text, OR if they don't have a graphic you want, they'll work up the art for $25.

[Smitty_67]

Exactly why I'm doing three. One in the cab of the car, one in the trunk, one under the hood. Will leave me plenty of room for expansion later on and allow me to get everything done I want this first go around. To determine what I need I started laying it all out on a spreadsheet, including wire colors, locations, etc. Will make it a lot easier to program the custom stuff.

Smitty, here is a link to the buttons I'm using. Like I said, I'm using all momentary buttons and according to Jay, it won't be a problem to program the things I want. Here is the link:

http://www.thehoffmangroup.com/autoloc/product.lasso?prodinc=billetbuttons

Another cool feature about these buttons is they will etch them for $5 a piece. They have some graphics already, you can do custom text, OR if they don't have a graphic you want, they'll work up the art for $25.

You da man!

[wellis77]

You da man!

I don't about that, but being a few countries, an ocean, and half a dozen states away from my project allows a guy the opportunity to dream and research. There's good and bad to that. Hopefully we can get enough guys interested in ISIS to put together a group buy. I'm putting enough into my project where a break here and there is appreciated.

[Smitty_67]

I don't about that, but being a few countries, an ocean, and half a dozen states away from my project allows a guy the opportunity to dream and research. There's good and bad to that. Hopefully we can get enough guys interested in ISIS to put together a group buy. I'm putting enough into my project where a break here and there is appreciated.

There is no end to the amount of money a guy can spend on these projects.. They say to double the amount of time and the amount of money you think the project needs. They are definitely right.

[James OLC]

I don't about that, but being a few countries, an ocean, and half a dozen states away from my project allows a guy the opportunity to dream and research. There's good and bad to that. Hopefully we can get enough guys interested in ISIS to put together a group buy. I'm putting enough into my project where a break here and there is appreciated.

I'll talk to Jay and see if we can do anything like a GB... I'll let you know.

[wellis77]

I'll talk to Jay and see if we can do anything like a GB... I'll let you know.

Thanks James, I already mentioned it to Jay and he is down, assuming we can get enough involved. He said we would need at least 10.

[dino]

depending on pricing i would be in!!!!

[camaro2nv]

I would also.

[wellis77]

I just got an email from Jay Harris at ISIS with some details about a group buy and what they'll do for us. I don't want to post the details here but if you PM me I'll pass it along. It's a pretty cool thing he's working for anybody needing a kit. If we are able to get 10 or more, he'll get us an additional discount. If you are in the market now or in the near future (read the next year or two), you may want to consider this. I have a feeling ISIS is the next wave in automotive wiring/electronics, the possibilities are almost limitless AND if they haven't done something yet that you want, just talk to them and I'm sure they'll do what they can to make it happen. You can check their stuff out HERE (http://www.isispower.com/products.html).

I'm by no means an expert on the system but I've asked Jay a lot of questions already and I've studied almost all the downloadable information available so if you have questions, I may have the answers. If not, post them and I'm sure someone will chime in and provide, possibly Jay.

So far here is who I've got on the list:

Myself
Smitty67
Dino
Camaro2nv
Turbo67Camaro
Camaro69vn10
CudaSRT8

[camaro2nv]

Please PM me the info, thanks!

[Turbo67camaro]

ISIS is on my buy this year list so I'd like in also.

[markd]

Count me in! I guess I am somewhat obligated, since I was the one who started this thread last fall

Please PM me the info

Thanks,

Mark

[Smitty_67]

I posted to Camaros.net and Lateral-g earlier. So far one guy on Lateral-g has signed on. We're getting there.

[The WidowMaker]

i replied to your pm and would love the details. if its good, im in for sure.

Tim

[wellis77]

I posted to Camaros.net and Lateral-g earlier. So far one guy on Lateral-g has signed on. We're getting there.

Thanks Smitty, that one puts us at 8.

[wellis77]

i replied to your pm and would love the details. if its good, im in for sure.

Tim

And if you get in Tim, you'd be 9. I would love to be able to get at least 1 more.

[wellis77]

So here is who we have involved so far...

Myself
Smitty67
Dino
Camaro2nv
Turbo67Camaro
Camaro69vn10
CudaSRT8
Guy from Lateral-G
The WidowMaker
MKelcy
daredvl22
possibly 9 others from this site who are on the fence

We need 10 or more for the extra discount so if the couple guys that are currently deciding do join in on the buy, we'll get an additional discount on the kit. Keep them coming guys.

For anyone that is out there that will be wiring in the next year or two, you may want to get on this train. The feedback I've gotten so far is that this is a pretty good deal, and can only get better the more we get involved. I doubt another deal like this for ISIS will be available in the near or possibly distant future. If ISIS is something you want to do or think you want to do, I strongly encourage you to hop on board now rather than pay the full price later. Just saying. Will

[Roadbuster]

And if you get in Tim, you'd be 9. I would love to be able to get at least 1 more.

10 in such a short time is amazing. Please PM the info.

I have been thinking about redoing the wiring on my GTO and the features ISIS offers sound very interesting. I'd like to learn a little more about the programming and what you need to set it up. Looking for the keyless start and security as well as the fan controls and integration with a Vintage Air A/C. The electric fans and A/C are on my list and will push the limit on my stock harness. So I will need to upgrade eventually.

Jon

[Turbo67camaro]

It might be a good idea to shoot for 12 or 13 in case we get any people backing out.

[wellis77]

It might be a good idea to shoot for 12 or 13 in case we get any people backing out.

That would be a perfect scenario...

[gkring]

Something I am definitely looking at. As far as buying it now it all depends on the group buy discount. For a $100 discount (about 10% off their list-justa a guess) I would just wait until it is time to start wiring. Who knows how many improvements and upgrades they will have in a year or two. I have run into that trap a couple times jumping on a good deal a year ahead of when I would need it.if it gets to be much more, however, then I may have to take the plunge now.

[Mkelcy]

Please PM me the details of the group buy. Thanks.

[Smitty_67]

PM sent to Mkelcy and gkring..

[wellis77]

PM sent to Mkelcy and gkring..

Ditto that...

[Greg from Aus]

Please pm me the details.

Greg

[martZ]

Please PM me the details as well. Thank you!

[Smitty_67]

PM sent to tonner and martz..

[The WidowMaker]

anybody got a list started with all the needed circuits for their application? im hoping that the 3 cell kit would be enough. what are you guys doing that needs the 30 outputs?

[Smitty_67]

I haven't planned my circuits, yet. I think the 3cell should easily do most cars. I am looking at an additional cell to give more flexibility and for a neater installation. I want one in the trunk, one in the interior and one under the hood.

[GetMore]

does one output still allow for multiple functions? meaning, can i use one bulb for turn signals and flashers, but only use one output with both functions? it sounds like i can, just not sure.
Turn signals and flashers are the same, aren't they?
I know brake light and turn signal can be done off one output.
Actually, if you have a light where you use a dual filament bulb, one for parking lights, and the other for the turn signal you could just use the one brighter filament off one output. You'd use the pulse-width output to light the filament at lower intensity for parking lights, and full output for turn signal or brake.

[wellis77]

anybody got a list started with all the needed circuits for their application? im hoping that the 3 cell kit would be enough. what are you guys doing that needs the 30 outputs?

does one output still allow for multiple functions? meaning, can i use one bulb for turn and braking, but only use one output with both functions? it sounds like i can, just not sure.

3 cells should definitely be enough. The things I'm getting an extra cell for are Cruise Control, Power Locks (needs two outputs b/c the actuators are a reverse polarity setup), Power Windows, Amplifier connected to a switch, Rear Defrost, Remote Trunk. One of the billet switches I'm using has an LED light that I'm going to use a special program for the light that will need a separate output also. With all of this, I have 5 outputs open of the 30 I'm going to have. Also, I'm using an output on one cell to control my constantly powered accessories like 12 volt outlet, power antenna, stereo memory, etc. Usually these are connected directly to the battery with a fused link rather than a specific output on one of the cells, but I want it on the powercell. If I didn't run some of these extras I could get away with not using a third. Since I am running these it gives me a bit more flexibility in my layout and leaves me some extra for expandability.

I've put together a spreadsheet (still a work in progress) if you'd like to get an idea of what I'm doing. PM me your email address if you'd like it.

[GetMore]

Maybe we should see about starting another thread with circuit setups, so people will get a better idea of what you can do and how to set it up?

It could explain how you'd need one circuit to run power locks, but if you want to be able to unlock just the driver's door with one push and both (all) doors with a second push you will need two circuits.

Two Powercells can be enough for a car, but once you start adding features I think you'll find that a third must be used.

[Smitty_67]

All,

Looks like we are going to get our 10 and then some, so Will is contacting Jay to nail down the discounts for the systems. We think Jay is out for a few days so it make take a week to get all the details. Have some patience, I'm really excited about this system and saving money makes it that much better. If anyone else would like to be included on this deal, you need to act soon.

Thanks,

[Mkelcy]

Okay, I'm interested but have a question. The Isis site lists the following "Basic Node Programming":


POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 1: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 2: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 3: Ignition*
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 4: Starter*
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 5: Headlights
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 6: Parking Lights Instrument Lights etc.
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 7: High Beams
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 8: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 9: Horn
POWERCELL™ unit 1- Switch Input 10: Fan Override-or-Spare

*Not allowed when security is ON

POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 11: Left Turn Signal
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 12: Right Turn Signal
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 13: 4-Way Flashers
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 14: Brake Lights
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 15: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 16: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 17: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 18: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 19: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 20: OPEN
POWERCELL™ unit 2- Switch Input 21: OPEN


I assume most of us would plan on one power cell under the hood and one in the rear. If that's the case, how do the front turn signals get wired? Do they run off Power Cell 1, or do you run wires from Power Cell 2 to the front of the car?

FWIW (since someone asked), here's a list of my electrical needs (LSx engine and harness, DSE wipers, power front windows and seats):

Lighting

Headlights - high
Headlights - low
Parking lights
Gauge illumination
Cabin lights
Turn signals - left
Turn signals - right
4 Way flasher
Brake lights
Trunk light
Underhood light
Engine

Starter
ECU power
Cabin

Electric Windows
Power for seats
Power for gauges
Power for DSE wipers
Radio
Power antenna
Amp
Aux power outlets (3)
Horn

[wellis77]

Turn signals and flashers are the same, aren't they?
I know brake light and turn signal can be done off one output.
Actually, if you have a light where you use a dual filament bulb, one for parking lights, and the other for the turn signal you could just use the one brighter filament off one output. You'd use the pulse-width output to light the filament at lower intensity for parking lights, and full output for turn signal or brake.

Turn signals and flashers are the same output. Brake lights and turn signals can be done off one also if the same bulb is used for brakes and turn signals. The system is then programmed to operate that output differently depending on the input: brake switch, blinker switch, hazard switch, etc. You are correct about the pulse-width output with the dual filament bulbs also.

[wellis77]

Definitely check out the stuff on their website. There is an installation manual on the site that also outlines some of these basics.

Generally one powercell is in the trunk and the other is in the cab of the car, on the firewall if there's room or somewhere in the front of the cab.

Turn signals require four outputs, two in the front (R & L) and two in the back (R & L).

I'll start another thread and will include the spread sheet I have put together. The spreadsheet showing outputs I put together is pretty comprehensive and I think covers most everything I am doing. I'm working on one that also incorporates inputs but that's not ready yet. Be looking for the other thread shortly that discusses ISIS Setup or Layout or something like that.

[daredvl22]

I already asked for more info on Lateral-g, but if someone would like to send me the details on the group buy I would greatly appreciate it. I'm a long ways away from needing my wiring, but if the deal is that good I'll go ahead and pull the trigger now. Thanks!

[wellis77]

I already asked for more info on Lateral-g, but if someone would like to send me the details on the group buy I would greatly appreciate it. I'm a long ways away from needing my wiring, but if the deal is that good I'll go ahead and pull the trigger now. Thanks!

PM Sent...

[daredvl22]

PM'd back,..so everyone knows, I'm in on the group buy. Question, does anyone know if the 3 Cell starter kit comes with the dashboard harness, or do you have to buy this seperate?

[The WidowMaker]

im in for sure as well.

as an additional question to the above, does it come with any wire at all besides the cable btwn the cells. it doesnt seem so.

Tim

[Smitty_67]

Will,

Do you know if the inCode programmer is required to custom program the system or does it just make it easier?

[The WidowMaker]

as a follow up to my question, it appears that the kit comes with short leads called an input harness and output harness. but, it says on the site that the 3 cell kit only comes with 1 input harness, whereas the manual says it comes with 2. since they dont sell them, i would assume it comes with two. anybody know for sure?

[James OLC]

The Mastercell comes with an input harness and said harness is two pieces. Each Powercell (2 come with a 3 cell kit) comes with it's own output harness and said harnesses are also 2 pieces with 5 outputs each (for a total of 10 outputs per Powercell).

If that makes sense...

[Smitty_67]

Thanks James.. It's good to hear from guys that have already installed the system..

As info, Will started an installation thread to discuss wiring, circuit planning, etc..

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58157

[jjump59]

I'd like the details on the group purchase. thanks

[MCMLXIX]

I also asked for info on Later-G... but I'll ask here too... Please PM.
Question:
Does this include the program for Push Button Start?
Is there an opprotunity for the remote FOB?

Thanks

[wellis77]

PM's have been sent to jjump59 and MCMLXIX.

As for the push to start, it's part of the programming with the system so yes. You supply the button...

[JohnC]

Hi,

I have talked with Jay afew time regarding this system for my project. I also would like to get in on the group buy. Please contact me/Pm me.

[Smitty_67]

Hi,

I have talked with Jay afew time regarding this system for my project. I also would like to get in on the group buy. Please contact me/Pm me.

PM sent to JohnC..

[wellis77]

Alright fellas. Below is a list of everybody that has confirmed they are participating in the group buy. There are a few names that have committed through other sites and have been included in this list with that site following. If I missed your name I apologize and please let me know, my inbox is going crazy! I also have a list of 12 members who are on the fence and have not yet committed. No need to post that, you know who you are. I should know final pricing the end of this week. Jay at ISIS is traveling all week with little to no email access. As soon as I know specifics, aside from what has been passed along already, you will all have it. If you have any questions let me know. I appreciate everyone's willingness to make this happen. It's great to see that we can put a buy like this together in such a short time and support a company that is supporting our hobby and our site. Thanks again.

Will

IN:
Wellis77
Daredvl22
Joejaze (powercell only)
Smitty67
TheWidowMaker
Camaro69vn10
Camaro2nv
Turbo67camaro
BA
Dino
CudaSRT8 (bigblockdart.com)
JohnC
Doom (lateral-g)
Denvervet (lateral-g)
Rich-Allen (camaros.net)
DDY RCKT (lateral-g)
69MSA
Sparky67
ccracin (lateral-g)
MCMLXIX

[Sparky67]

PM me some pricing on the system as well.

Jeff

htttp://www.kodakgallery.com/67rscamaro

[Smitty_67]

PM me some pricing on the system as well.

Jeff

htttp://www.kodakgallery.com/67rscamaro


PM sent to Sparky67

[BA.]

And to think that I came THIS CLOSE to buying an old school harness recently because I forgot about this system.

I'm confirmed in, where do I sign up?? :)

BTW - I read something here about the wireless ummm thing but didn't see it on the website yet. Is there a ballpark price on that piece yet...assuming availability?

Also, is there a need for the inCode programmer? Maybe I don't understand it but if it's just helping me load up a newer rev.code, (reason?) then the $159 cost seems pretty steep since it's only used for "90 seconds".

[Smitty_67]

And to think that I came THIS CLOSE to buying an old school harness recently because I forgot about this system.

I'm confirmed in, where do I sign up?? :)

BTW - I read something here about the wireless ummm thing but didn't see it on the website yet. Is there a ballpark price on that piece yet...assuming availability?

Also, is there a need for the inCode programmer? Maybe I don't understand it but if it's just helping me load up a newer rev.code, (reason?) then the $159 cost seems pretty steep since it's only used for "90 seconds".

PM sent to BA.

[Smitty_67]

And to think that I came THIS CLOSE to buying an old school harness recently because I forgot about this system.

I'm confirmed in, where do I sign up?? :)

BTW - I read something here about the wireless ummm thing but didn't see it on the website yet. Is there a ballpark price on that piece yet...assuming availability?

Also, is there a need for the inCode programmer? Maybe I don't understand it but if it's just helping me load up a newer rev.code, (reason?) then the $159 cost seems pretty steep since it's only used for "90 seconds".

The inTouch Touchscreen has been delayed till later in the year is my understanding. I had asked the same question about the programmer. Hopefully someone will answer it soon. I'm basically assuming I will need it as I will want to do some custom programming.

[BA.]

Thanks for the quick reply.
I'd feel a little castrated to have such a cool system and NOT be able to customize it!
If that's a reason for needing it, they should put that puppy on a Loaner / Deposit program. Use it to set the "personalities", then send it back.

[Smitty_67]

Thanks for the quick reply.
I'd feel a little castrated to have such a cool system and NOT be able to customize it!
If that's a reason for needing it, they should put that puppy on a Loaner / Deposit program. Use it to set the "personalities", then send it back.

I was thinking the same thing.. Heck, Maybe ISIS would run the loaner/rental program.. I bet we get something worked out. If he gives us a deal, I will probably still buy it just for the convenience.

[wellis77]

Thanks for hopping on board BA, I have added you to the list of participants. I asked ISIS about the wireless touch screen when I first contacted him and sad it's on hold for a bit due to a battery issue. He expects to have it available by the end of the year. The cost at that point was about $800. I'd LOVE to have it because it would be a real cool feature part of the car but I have two deterrents. (1) cost, (2) if for some reason I lose that thing, my car isn't moving because I would set it up so the car could not be started without it (added security). If I lose a key fob I have a back up and while I have not confirmed with ISIS, I could probably get a replacement. I am not 100% sure about the programmer but I don't believe it is a necessity for custom programming. I "think" that ISIS will do our custom programming to our specs, email us the code so we can put it on a USB memory stick then upload via the stick to the Mastercell. I'll have to confirm that, but I "think" that's an alternative. I believe the programmer is if you want to do the programming yourself. ISIS is also releasing some online tools for us to do our own programming, in the future. I'll confirm on the programmer for everyone. Maybe it's something that we could buy one programmer through the group buy, and resell it (lease, loan, whatever) to others on the site, through the site. Just a thought. Will

[MCMLXIX]

I listened to the pod cast with Jay and I believe, in order to custom program, you need to send the Master Cell to Jay. They would program to your request and send it back. You are essentially down till you get it back. The programmer keeps you up and running as you set your own pwerameters and upload to the Master Cell immedialty. Its the programmer that has the connector to the the ISIS, the USB is to conect to your PC/Laptop.

[wellis77]

I haven't listened to the podcast, I think that's the only thing I haven't done with respect to researching ISIS. I have sent Jay an email though and will pass along what he says. If you are right that is a bit of a bummer, BUT, depending on the turnaround it would likely be better than dropping $160 on a programmer. Once I've got mine set, I want to be set, and hope I won't need to do additional programming. That probably isn't too likely though knowing me. I'll probably be playing with this thing all the time.

[Smitty_67]

We have another signup.. DDY RCKT over on Lateral-G is in..

[The WidowMaker]

just a question posted on another site; whats the guarantee that they will continue to produce these parts for x years? thats really the only downside i see. if one of my modules fails in 10 years, can i get a new one, or am i ripping out the entire thing and installing a painless?

Tim

[wellis77]

I just listened to the podcast for the first time and there is ALOT of good information in there. If you have some time, take a LISTEN (http://v8tvshow.com/mambots/content/plugin_jw_allvideos/jw_allvideos_player.swf?file=http://v8tvshow.com/images/stories/audio/V8WRISIS.mp3&autostart=false%22%20style=). It still isn't clear to me how the custom programming will work based on that, but I was multi-tasking and may have missed it. I did ask Jay about that and will let everyone know what he says.

I did add DDY RCKT to the list which gives us 15. Hopefully we can have the details of this buy set tomorrow. Once I have it all, I'll send PM's to everybody confirmed first and then will connect with those that are on the fence.

You ask a good question Tim. I don't recall how long, but I know as a company they've been in business for a while I think doing other kits, some OEM stuff and other. I'll pass your question along to Jay and post his reply or see if he can drop in and answer that one for us. To be honest, I haven't thought much about that. Still, with the technology this offers the automotive aftermarket I don't see them going anywhere. This opens up a whole new world for guys like us that are building cars that we want to put modern technology into and I think there is a good market for it, despite the cost. They are also putting a lot into development of additional products (as noted in the podcast) so I think that's a pretty good indicator that they have big plans.

[Smitty_67]

Another Lateral-G member 69MSA has stepped up and is in.. :cheers:

[Smitty_67]

Do you think Jay knew what he was getting into with this group?

[camaro2nv]

Man we should be able to get a deeper discount with these numbers! Keep em coming guys!

[wellis77]

Man we should be able to get a deeper discount with these numbers! Keep em coming guys!

That's the idea, Load them up! Thanks 69MSA.

[Smitty_67]

Sparky67 is in!!!

[wellis77]

just a question posted on another site; whats the guarantee that they will continue to produce these parts for x years? thats really the only downside i see. if one of my modules fails in 10 years, can i get a new one, or am i ripping out the entire thing and installing a painless?

Tim

Response from ISIS...

"That’s a great question. I’d answer it the same way that MSD, or FAST, or Edlebrock or any other automotive aftermarket supplier would. Our intention is to create a sustainable business to run far into the future.

At the same time, our business is a little different because in addition to the restoration market, we serve the commercial vehicle and truck OEM markets. We are obliged to provide 7-years of legacy parts into those markets. That should let the guys rest a little easier."

[70 Chevelle]

just a question posted on another site; whats the guarantee that they will continue to produce these parts for x years? thats really the only downside i see. if one of my modules fails in 10 years, can i get a new one, or am i ripping out the entire thing and installing a painless?

Tim

I had the oppurtunity to go to the plant and get a demo of ISIS by Jay. I had the same question as you. The fact that I went to the actual Littlefuse plant gave me some confidence. They are not a small ma and pa place. No company is safe in this economy but the fact that littlefuse supplies alot of manufacturers helped with my decision. The other thing that helped with my deceision is that ISIS can be used in so many applications besides hot rods, buses, limo's etc. After seeing the demo I'm willing to bet my money this will be around for a while. hope that helps

[The WidowMaker]

thats good to know. thanks for asking.

Tim

[Smitty_67]

Another Lateral-g guy is in. ccracin..

[Smitty_67]

Had this posted in one of the other forum.. Maybe someone can provide some input over here.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/02/icon1-1.gif failure mechanisms
Hey Smitty, I have a question that I would appreciate much if you could pass on and get an answer for me.

What is the MTBF for the cells, and what happens if the master or power cell goes tango uniform? I assume if the power cell goes out, then that bank of connections fails. If the master cell goes out, then the whole system will be shot, right?

What are the typical, if any, failure mechanisms for the system?

Thanks!
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[kamaroman68]

This is not meant as any type of criticism, but correct me if i am wrong... Isn't this basically a miniature PLC?

Chris

[Smitty_67]

This is not meant as any type of criticism, but correct me if i am wrong... Isn't this basically a miniature PLC?

Chris

I may not be the most knowledgeable, but I would say you could characterize the mastercell as a PLC.

[GetMore]

I'd say it's a PLC with remote solid state relay units.

[MCMLXIX]

I was waiting for actual costs but since there are so many already in on the GP I feel confident there will be.... an offer I can't refuse... Put me on the DEFINITE list....

[wellis77]

That's great news Rich. I'll put you on the list, thanks for letting us know.

I would also say its a PLC with remote solid state relays. I sent the question on to ISIS for their response though.

Will

[MCMLXIX]

Here are some images from James' OneLap Camaro install...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/09/ISIS201JPG-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/09/ISIS202JPG-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/09/isis20install2014aJPG-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/09/isis20install2011JPG-1.jpg

[wellis77]

This is what I would like to see more of, install pics. How are guys mounting these systems, running wiring, etc. If you've got 'em, let's see 'em.

[MCMLXIX]

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/isiswiring.html

Here is the link to the page with all the pics...

[wellis77]

I've seen all the one lap Camaro install pics but I know there are others that have installed this kit and I'd like to see more to get some ideas of how I will run everything. I have ideas in my head but a bit more creative inspiration would be awesome.

[wellis77]

Just a quick update for everybody on the group buy. I haven't heard from ISIS yet on final pricing but as soon as I have it, I'll get it out to you all. There are also a couple questions I sent them that were posted on the forum that I'll get up as well once I have answers. Thanks everybody for your participation. More to come... Will

[killer67]

Can you please send me specifics on 3-cell ISIS group buy. Prices, etc. I am very interested and will be probably be a definite.

[killer67]

you can pm me, thanks

[Smitty_67]

you can pm me, thanks


PM sent.

[Smitty_67]

PM sent to 70 Chevelle

[The WidowMaker]

i'll echo whats been said above; the initial discount looked and is great, but with this many people, im really hoping for/expecting a little more.

any figures on how many of these systems have been sold to the hotrodding market?

Tim

[camaro2nv]

i'll echo whats been said above; the initial discount looked and is great, but with this many people, im really hoping for/expecting a little more.

any figures on how many of these systems have been sold to the hotrodding market?

Tim
I'd have to agree.

[wellis77]

Hey everybody. I have heard from ISIS and will have details for you later today, I'm just getting clarification on a couple things so be on the lookout for a PM from me today; probably late morning early afternoon your time. He also responded to some of the questions we have been asking on this thread and I've inserted his answers below. More to come, stay tuned... I will say this, for those still on the fence, this is a great deal that keeps getting better and I encourage anyone who is one the fence, to seriously consider getting on board. I will be in touch with you all as well later today.

Starting with your reliability question, we do not have any true reliability metrics for the system. Measurements like MTBF, MTTF and FIT are not commonly used in automotive applications, rather these are used in electronics components and systems. However we have spend a significant amount of time testing the system. What is probably most important for the guys out there is that ISIS was originally designed for the off-road, truck, bus, construction and agriculture environments. Think about machines like tractors, combines, military troop transporters, terminal trucks, class 8 trucks, skid-steers, etc. Restorations and kit cars see some pretty harsh environments, but nothing like what Caterpillar, Navistar or Bobcat expect. Considering the environments, all of the plastics used in the systems are UL listed materials. The nylons used are glass filled for strength and rated to 155 degrees C. The polycarbonate used in the covers is impact resistant and rated to 160 C. The POWERCELLs are rated to 125 C, which is the OEM standard for under-the-hood. The MASTERCELL is rated to 85 C, the standard for in-cabin. All of the interfaces are gasketed and the systems are rated to IP67, which means that the systems can be immersed in water up to 1 meter.
We are using standard sealed Delphi Packard Metripack and Micropack connectors and terminals. These are widely accepted in the passenger car OEM space as well as the off-road, truck, bus, construction and ag markets.
In the off-road, truck, bus, construction and agriculture markets, there is no single testing standard that applies across the board, so we started with one of the passenger car baseline standards. The spec is the GM3172 and is covers everything from vibration, to mechanical shock, to chemical exposure, to thermal shocks, to heat & cold soaks, to humidity exposure and everything in between. It also covers a broad range of electrical overstress including electrostatic discharge testing and load-dump testing. ISIS passed all of these tests with no issues.
We also spent a significant amount of time testing the software and the transmission protocols. We use a version of CAN 2.0b as the protocol to pass data between the cells. CAN as a protocol is inherently robust. Based on how the transmission is structured, it is practically impossible to pass on a corrupted data stream. To test this, we run a test called a bit-error rate test or BERT. In this test, we pass two million commands from the MASTERCELL to a POWERCELL. We use a computer to verify that no transmissions are corrupted or a errant command was issued. We have passed this test every time that we have run it. To address the MTBF question, do the math and figure out how many times you need to turn on a switch in your car to hit two million commands.
Just to verify this, every kit that we ship out goes through our burn-in test. We load the kit onto a standard test rack and use a computer to cycle the inputs. We start the test at 5 cycles per second, and end it with one cycle every 5 seconds. Over the course of the test, the system is cycled several thousand times. The outputs of the POWERCELLs under test are connected to a high-wattage load resistor, selected to draw 25-amps each. We run the POWERCELL at its full rated current of 125 amps and use current sensors to confirm that the outputs turn on and off when the MASTERCELL gets the command. During this test we monitor the system temperature and the load on the CAN system to make sure that there are no transmission or thermal concerns.
ISIS is a distributed intelligence system, but all of the cells need to be healthy and communicating for the system to function. If the MASTERCELL fails or you lose the connection to the POWERCELLs, the system will not work. We mitigate this in a few ways. First, all of the CAN lines in the bundle are duplicated so if a wire were to get damaged, it has a redundant pair to keep the system running. We also have distributed charge pump circuits on the cells. These are what actually control the gates of the MOSFETs. If a charge pump were to fail on one POWERCELL, the redundant charge pumps on the remaining cells will keep the system running through the CAN cable.
We can honestly say that of the 125 plus systems in the field today, we have not had a single report of one failing. We have had several issues with customers damaging the systems in install but we have taken several steps to correct this. An example that we learned from some of our earlier kits is that if you don’t follow the programming instructions and connect the inCODE programming header on backwards, it can damage the controller. We corrected this by changing the header and its mating connector with a keyed combination that can only be plugged together in one way. We also had a 5-volt reference line on the second MASTERCELL input connector that would blow the primary fuse on the board if you shorted that to ground. We fixed that in the new version of the MASTERCELL by adding a limiting resistor to that line. We had an interesting scenario with a customer building a kit car that had us scratching our heads for a week. He connected his system to his battery for the first time and the POWERCELLs smoked, in addition to his radio and EFI controller. After we went through a few different kits with him, he put a multi-meter on the battery and found that its polarity was reversed. He had actually charged it backwards. We learned that it is possible to reverse the polarity of a battery by charging it backwards.
Trust me, we take no offense in your simplification to what ISIS is. I usually dumb it down even further and describe it as a system that turns things on and off. You are pretty close describing the system as a PLC, with the exception that it cannot control outputs based on combinational logic with the code that exists today. We are working on an additional programmable logic array (PLA) that will be added to the base configuration that would allow for more PLC type functions.
Each POWERCELL has an override header on it. If the MASTERCELL were to fail or the CAN cable were to be severed, you can use jumpers to control the gates on the MOSFETs directly and bypass the micro-controller. There are 10 pairs of headers. Going left to right, they correspond to outputs 1 through 10. You can activate an input with these jumpers easily if you need to limp home. The next version of the manual has details on how this works.
inMOTION uses almost the same enclosure as the POWERCELL. There are a few changes that we need to make internally to clear some of the components on the board. For all intents and purposes, the form-factor is identical to the POWERCELL. The cost will be pretty close to the cost of an individual POWERCELL, around $350.

If you are unfamiliar with inMOTION, Jay discussed it in the podcast with V8 TV. It is an additional component that will free up outputs that would be used to operate two-way motors, i.e. power locks, windows, convertible tops, etc. As it is now, two outputs are needed per motor, one for up, one for down. inMOTION eliminates the need for both of those outputs on a powercell. It essentially adds another component, the equivalent of a powercell, to the system specific for running these motors. I don't know specifics of how it works but I'll be picking one up at some point when it's available because I'm running power locks and windows, including the quarter windows, which would work to be 10 outputs needed for those items alone.

I'll be in touch with everyone later today. Will

[ccracin]

Thanks for this information Will. You've done a great job. I'll be awaiting the PM with the information.

Later,

Chad (ccracin here and at Lateral-g)

[wellis77]

Hey thanks Chad, it's a pleasure to set this up.

Unfortunately guys I can't get the final information out to you because the process is being worked out and we want to get all the information out at the same time. I hope to get everything to you all tomorrow. For now, it's bed time for this guy. See you online tomorrow. Will

[wellis77]

I SERIOUSLY dislike not being able to sleep. In this case, it works out for all of us participating in the group buy, as well as those still considering, because I now have all the details and am sending that out shortly. Be looking for my message.... Will

[wellis77]

I have sent all the private messages out with exception of two from other forums that are not part of pro-touring but that will be handled by another member. There is ONE member I have on the list that I must have written their user name down incorrectly and I'm sorry about that. What I have is BA, and I can't locate this user name. If you have stated participation or interest in this group buy and have not yet received a PM from me with the final pricing and details for ordering, please send me a pm and I'll get the info out to you ASAP. If you would now like to get in on it and want the details, send me a pm. Time is short and we need to get going to make it happen.

This is a great deal with even more potential to be better so if you are on the fence, let's get involved because we all stand to save quite a bit with this.

That's it from me for now. Back to bed, it's 1:50 am here, STUPID!!!

Will

[Smitty_67]

I have sent all the private messages out with exception of two from other forums that are not part of pro-touring but that will be handled by another member. There is ONE member I have on the list that I must have written their user name down incorrectly and I'm sorry about that. What I have is BA, and I can't locate this user name. If you have stated participation or interest in this group buy and have not yet received a PM from me with the final pricing and details for ordering, please send me a pm and I'll get the info out to you ASAP. If you would now like to get in on it and want the details, send me a pm. Time is short and we need to get going to make it happen.

This is a great deal with even more potential to be better so if you are on the fence, let's get involved because we all stand to save quite a bit with this.

That's it from me for now. Back to bed, it's 1:50 am here, STUPID!!!

Will

It was (BA.) I forwarded your PM.. I also sent to everyone that expressed interest in the other forums. Some of which have already registered here, so you may get a duplicate from me.

[The WidowMaker]

thats the first ive heard of the inmotion. will you be able to use the additional outputs as a regular power cell? will it still be capable of 10 outputs, just doubled and taking the place of 20? the indash was scheduled for the end of 09, but what about the inmotion? would it possible to run one powercell and one inmotion cell?

i also must have missed something somewhere. i was under the impression that one end source, say headlights, could use multiple inputs for low and high beams, plus daytime running lights all on one programmed output. does this mean that its going to take 3 outputs for all functions or is the use of reverse polarity what causes door locks to need two?

btw, we really need the additional 6 for a total of 25. that deal is really good if we can get the few extra.

Tim

[Smitty_67]

I put the word out on the forums that I use, lateral-g and camaros.net.. If anyone happens to be a member of another forum, you might post the GP to the other forum and see if we can get a few more.

[wellis77]

To answer your questions Tim...

inMOTION is NOT a powercell replacement, it's an add-on designed specifically for reversed polarity motors. It has the ability to operate 5 motors and allows those of us running motors of this nature to open up some space on our powercells. You can run one powercell and one inMOTION but you are still going to run out of room, because this is motors only, and you'll likely need more than 10 powercell outputs for the rest of your car. I don't believe a date has been set for inMOTION's release and inDASH is already available. I think you may be confusing inDASH with inTOUCH, the wireless touch-screen display. inDASH is a harness assembled to wire in all our dash controls, switches (for inputs), gauges, etc. Includes a bunch of wire (matching some inputs and outputs I believe), connectors, heat shrink labels, etc. Purpose is to make it easier to connect various inputs and dash level outputs. inTOUCH is supposed to be available later this year and will be pricy.

To answer your other question, the reverse polarity is what causes the door locks to need two outputs. One output to lock the door, one output to unlock the door (one output for window down, one for window up). Headlights can be done on one output, however brights will require their own output. You can probably use Pulse Width Modulate to get around multiple outputs for headlights. Just wire directly to the brights on the headlights and program the computer to use 60% or 70% pulse when low beams are on and 100% when high beams are on. I will be using 3 outputs for my headlights, one for low-beam, one for high-beam, and one for fog/driving lights. I could set the fog lights on the same output as the low beams but I want them to stay on with the high beams but at a lower power. For example, I'm going to use a momentary switch for my lights. The first time I hit the button, the fog lights and parking lights will come on, the second time the headlights come on (low beam), the third time the lights go off. I'm going to use my standard issue floor switch for the brights and when I light the brights up, the low beams go off and the fog lights dim to 50-70%, I don't know how much yet and will have to play with it.

I hope that makes sense and answers your questions.

[wellis77]

It was (BA.) I forwarded your PM.. I also sent to everyone that expressed interest in the other forums. Some of which have already registered here, so you may get a duplicate from me.

Thanks Smitty.

[hessdawg]

I would be interested as well
please PM me

[ROBS6T8]

Pm me the info please. I posted on Team Camaro as well. Maybe I can talk the wife into it. It sounds like the way to go if the price is right. Thanks.

[Smitty_67]

PM'ed Hessdawg and Robs68

[The WidowMaker]

youre correct as i was confusing intouch and indash.

it seems as if im going to need 3 powercells and still have some functions (windows) that will need to be wired seperately. i cant see wasting 8 outputs for the windows.

as far as the head lights, im building a 70 velle so i have 4 headlights. the plan was to wire in a photocell to run daytime lights, and use all 4 lights with the pulse width to achieve the brightness i want for daytime, nighttime and brights. it seems as though i can accomplish this with 3 inputs and one output. if i were to seperate the 4 headlights as with a stock system, i would need at least two.

i really just need to read about this system a little more to figure out what i can and cant do.

Tim

[wellis77]

i really just need to read about this system a little more to figure out what i can and cant do.

Let your imagination do the reading for you and have fun with it... There is almost nothing it can't do. I am in the same boat as you with the powercell situation. I like the photocell idea too, I think I may scam that.

[markd]

Sometimes procrastination does pay! I put off purchasing the system for various reasons and it’s a good thing I did, because this is a great deal. It can be an even better deal if we get a few more people to buy! We could potentially save a few hundred $ per each system

Thanks to everyone involved - Mark

[wellis77]

Sometimes procrastination does pay! I put off purchasing the system for various reasons and it’s a good thing I did, because this is a great deal. It can be an even better deal if we get a few more people to buy! We could potentially save a few hundred $ per each system

Thanks to everyone involved - Mark

That's exactly right. This is a smoking deal! Like I said, I doubt VERY highly a deal this good on ISIS will come again.

If you are remotely interested in this system for your project, I'm telling you now is the time to get in on it. Send me a PM if you want the details. Will

[camaro2nv]

Maybe everyone that sent off emails saying you want in should post. That way we know where we're at.
Im in, email sent.

[DionM]

Thinking about doing a rewire on my 68. Could you pm me the info please?
Thanks

[Greg from Aus]

Hey guys,
I am sitting on the fence at the momment, I hav a 69 camaro under full rebuild, I need it to operate every thing that is standard on a 69 plus elec windows, doors, stereo, ls engine, 4l80e trans with paddle shift, trunk lid, so what do I need?

Thanks Greg

[wellis77]

Hey guys,
I am sitting on the fence at the momment, I hav a 69 camaro under full rebuild, I need it to operate every thing that is standard on a 69 plus elec windows, doors, stereo, ls engine, 4l80e trans with paddle shift, trunk lid, so what do I need?

Thanks Greg

Let's see if we can get you off the fence and in the game. Attached is a table outlining my plans. I have since modified it a bit but it may help give you an idea. The only things I don't have listed that you mention are windows and doors (unless this means locks instead of door poppers). I'm going to run 3 powercells because I want everything in my car running through this system. BUT, I could easily scale mine back so I only need two. I don't want to tell you what you do or don't need for yours, but I will say I enjoy the flexibility three cells gives me by having one in the trunk, the cab, and under the hood. 3 would easily get the job done for you but two could probably work as well. On top of it, you could order the 3 cell kit and get in on the deal, and add additional powercells later if you felt you wanted additional.

Hope that helps and you decide to get on board. I really don't think we'll see another deal this good on ISIS. Will

[wellis77]

Maybe everyone that sent off emails saying you want in should post. That way we know where we're at.
Im in, email sent.

I have a list of everybody I've gotten emails from that has confirmed with ISIS and of the 20 that committed via this forum or others, I know of 6 orders. We worked real hard to get the best deal possible for everybody involved but it's contingent on those that have already said "I'm in" actually stepping up and doing their part. I'll send out reminder messages from guys committed that I haven't heard from but:

YOU HAVE UNTIL END OF BUSINESS MONDAY, AUGUST 3, TO GET YOUR EMAIL TO ISIS, OR YOU LOSE OUT ON THIS GROUP BUY!

Those that have gotten the final details of the group buy know this is a great opportunity as Mark mentioned above. Let's get those emails in guys and get some of you that are on the fence in on this deal so we all save the big $$$. Thanks everybody. Will

[MCMLXIX]

Hey guys,
I am sitting on the fence at the momment, I hav a 69 camaro under full rebuild, I need it to operate every thing that is standard on a 69 plus elec windows, doors, stereo, ls engine, 4l80e trans with paddle shift, trunk lid, so what do I need?

Thanks Greg

Greg,
I am in a similar situation as you.. (but with a 67 Chevelle) I have an LS3 with the GMPP engine harness. I have a T-56 but your 4L80e shouldn't need anything from the ISIS either. I ordered the starter kit and will add the inMOTION cell when it comes out. That will take care of power windows and door locks. As far as the stereo goes, I just figured I would power it with all the other accessories but some plan to use ISIS to controll it. Figure that a Painless harness is usually 18 circuits. The starter kit gives you 20.... plus the ability to add more with little effort. The flexability is what sold me on this system.

[Greg from Aus]

Greg,
I am in a similar situation as you.. (but with a 67 Chevelle) I have an LS3 with the GMPP engine harness. I have a T-56 but your 4L80e shouldn't need anything from the ISIS either. I ordered the starter kit and will add the inMOTION cell when it comes out. That will take care of power windows and door locks. As far as the stereo goes, I just figured I would power it with all the other accessories but some plan to use ISIS to controll it. Figure that a Painless harness is usually 18 circuits. The starter kit gives you 20.... plus the ability to add more with little effort. The flexability is what sold me on this system.

Thanks Rich

It all helps to make an informed decision.

Regards
Greg

[daredvl22]

Hey Will, are you saying only 6 of us have sent e-mails to ISIS confirming to be part of this group buy? That's hard to believe with a deal like this. I just happened to stumble upon this thread back when it started and had no intentions of buying any of this before now. I'm sure glad I did because I know I would have eventually found this thread and been kicking myself for not acting sooner. Like I said before, I literaly dread doing the electrical on my car. Now after reading EVERYTHING on the ISIS web site, I can't wait to do this project of my build. I love the idea of running this system and technology in my 1st gen Camaro. Thanks again for all your work and effort on putting this together. With that said, if you're on the fence, or already committed, but haven't contacted ISIS, step up and follow through. You'll be glad you did.

[Smitty_67]

I just registered this morning. I'm excited about this product and the features it will add to my project. I know everyone has until the 3rd, but really sooner is better, so everyone will know where we stand on the discount and freebies.:twothumbs

I know it's a fair amount of money, but it is a bargain for what we are getting and what you would otherwise spend to do just some of these things with the add-ons to a traditional harness.

Keep it comin guys...

[jocko124]

I'm thinking about rewiring my 66 Cutlass. I was thinking about an AAW kit. But this sounds very interesting. I need to do more research but can someone PM me the details of the group buy?

Thanks

[Smitty_67]

I'm thinking about rewiring my 66 Cutlass. I was thinking about an AAW kit. But this sounds very interesting. I need to do more research but can someone PM me the details of the group buy?

Thanks

PM sent

[jocko124]

PM sent


Thank you Sir!

[wellis77]

Yeah thanks Smitty, I appreciate it as well.

As of when I posted this morning I heard from 6. Jay from ISIS has sent me an email that he's heard from 9 so far. I agree though. For those that have already committed, and your on the list page 6, we would all really appreciate it if you would step up and follow through so we know exactly where we are at. DISCLAIMER: personal opinion, but I don't think it looks that good on us when we have so many committed to a sponsoring vendor group buy, yet the follow through lags. Get on it fellas! Thanks. Will

[Jay_Harris]

Hey Guys,

Thanks for all of your interest in the ISIS system for your cars. We're thrilled with the response.

Feel free to contact me directly if you have questions about the system or installing it.

Thanks,

Jay

[Smitty_67]

Hey Jay,

It's good to have you join the thread. We are all very excited about your product. We have worked hard to get the word out in this forum as well as others.

Maybe you could give us a little update on the inTouch as there seems to be some interest and perhaps elaborate on the design intent of inMotion. It's not completely clear to me the benefit of difference from Powercell.

Thanks and look forward to working with your product.

[mantaray]

Can anyone tell me if they contacted ISIS for info./questions they may have had about their systems & how long it took for a response? I emailed them questions on 7/27/09 & they sent me a reply thanking me for my interest in their products & someone would be responding shortly. Still no response. I would prefer to talk to a real person on the phone but I can't seem to find a phone number on their site. I previously coresponded with smitty67 about the group purchase & would like to get in on it but am a little concerned if I can't get a response to my questions before I make a purchase. I am not trying to make anyone upset just would like some answers.
Tim

[G_T]

Can someone pm the details of this group deal? Sounds good. I've been considering it myself. I have a viper powered v10 with autometer gages... working out the electrical piece is a ways off yet.

[wellis77]

Can someone pm the details of this group deal? Sounds good. I've been considering it myself. I have a viper powered v10 with autometer gages... working out the electrical piece is a ways off yet.

PM Sent...

[ccracin]

I sent my email a few minutes ago Will. Let me know if you don't get it. Get on this guys, you can't beat the deal.

Jay,

Thanks for giving us this opportunity. I spoke with you at the Hot Rod and Resto show in Indy. I was sold then, we were just waiting until we got closer to needing it. This opportunity made up our mind. Thanks again.

Chad

[wellis77]

Thanks Chad, appreciate you getting that in. Will

[Jay_Harris]

Hey Guys,

Thanks again for the interest in the group buy. We have been swamped with email requests and questions so we're doing what we can to keep up.

A lot of folks were concerned about the overall timing of the offer so we are going to extend the window to get on the list until August 14th.

Our whole team is going to be in Louisville for the NSRA Nationals for most of next week. If you're going to be down there, stop by to chat. We will be doing our best to keep up with the questions while we are on the road.

Jay

(oh yeah... we received your email Chad.)

[mweber]

While everyone is thinking about how to configure their car check out the following link, specifically pages 8-11 which lists the standard front engine configuration.

http://www.isispower.com/filebase/src/Manuals/Littelfuse-ISIS-Manual-3-CELL-KIT.pdf

There are few things that like turn signals that have some limitations. The front and rear turn signals have to be on separate POWERCELLS, front turn signals on front cell and rear turn signals on rear cell. The turn signals also have to be on the same outputs on both cells. So, if the front turn signals are on outputs 1 and 2 of the front cell, then the rear turn signals have to be on outputs 1 and 2 of the rear cell. The left and right turn signals also have to be on adjacent outputs (1+2, 7+8, etc) not 1+4 or 3+10 and so on.


Mike
www.isispower.com

[Smitty_67]

Has anyone responded to Tim (Mantaray)???

[wellis77]

Has anyone responded to Tim (Mantaray)???

Yes, Jay let me know he did get back with him.

[mweber]

inMOTION is designed to provide direct motor and solenoid control. It provides forward and reverse control of a motor or solenoid that is not internally grounded or does not have a dedicated ground connection.

Depending on the type of motor or solenoid your vehicle has you may or may not need inMOTION. Most newer power window motors only have two terminals and do not have a dedicated ground. The control switch for these motors will supply +12V to one terminal and ground to the other to make the window go up and then will reverse the +12V and ground on the terminals to make the window go down. The power window diagram attached shows this type of motor.

The convertible top diagram attached shows the type of motor that would not need inMOTION to directly control it. This motor has a dedicated ground and +12V is applied to one terminal for up and to the other terminal for down.

The easiest way to tell what type of motor you have is apply +12V to one terminal and if the motor moves one direction and reverses when you apply +12V to the other terminal, then you do not need inMOTION. If the motor will not move unless you apply +12V to one terminal and ground to the other terminal and switching polarity changes direction then you would need inMOTION to directly control the motor with ISIS.

Since each motor controlled by inMOTION requires two wires, each module can control 5 motors directly (10 wires).

Mike

[The WidowMaker]

although the inmotion will make it easier, its not required, correct? i assume i could still wire a switch using my ignition or accessory circuit and power the motors the conventional way.

[James OLC]

although the inmotion will make it easier, its not required, correct? i assume i could still wire a switch using my ignition or accessory circuit and power the motors the conventional way.

Yes you can.

[mweber]

Yes, inMOTION is only needed for the guys that want to eliminate the factory style switches. ISIS can supply the power to the factory switch. inMOTION can be programmed to do things like express down, even if the system did not originally come with it.

Mike

[camaro2nv]

Is there anything it cant do,lol Pretty cool toy.

[mantaray]

Just wanted to let everyone know that Jay from ISIS emailed me today the answers to my questions & provided me contact info. if I have any other questions. I am glad to see they extended the window for the group purchase because there could be more people like me that needed questions answered before purchasing a system. I will be going to the NSRA show in Louisville, Kentucky next month to really get a good look at this system.
I also wanted to thank smitty67 & wellis77 for being concerned enough to try & make sure our questions are answered. I will email or pm one of you after I put in my order.
Thanks again, Tim

[MrQuick]

So am I reading this right? It is extended till the 14th of August. We are still going through our budget and would really like to run the ISIS system on a few of our projects.

Vince

[Smitty_67]

So am I reading this right? It is extended till the 14th of August. We are still going through our budget and would really like to run the ISIS system on a few of our projects.

Vince

You are correct. extended to Aug 14th..

[camaro2nv]

A few of your projects??? Woo hoo keep em coming. Bring on the freebies!

[MrQuick]

well, that would depend on the finalized price of course.
And we all love freebies.




thanks smits....PM sending....

Vince

[Draginutz]

I would like the "DEAL" info PMd to me if its not too late.

Thanks

[Smitty_67]

I would like the "DEAL" info PMd to me if its not too late.

Thanks

PM sent to Draginutz..

[wellis77]

I would like the "DEAL" info PMd to me if its not too late.

Thanks

It's definitely not too late guys. In fact, Jay was cool enough to give us an extra almost two weeks to get our orders to him. We have until August 14. That doesn't mean that those who committed to the group buy should slack in getting there orders in. To date, I count 10 that committed to this group buy that have either not placed their order with ISIS or not let me know they have. If you have committed to this buy and not sent your order, you know who you are, please do so. Jay has given us a great deal based on your commitments. If you have sent in your order and not let me know, please shoot me a PM or an email. Thanks a bunch guys. Will

[redfish]

Please send me details on the group buy. Thanks.

[wellis77]

Please send me details on the group buy. Thanks.

PM sent...

[The WidowMaker]

i sent them an email the first day. not sure if im one of the 10 on your list.

Tim

[wellis77]

Thanks Tim, I didn't have you on the list. i appreciate you letting me know.

[Steve1968LS2]

At Best Of Show they have a really odd car in the shop. It's a Dusenburg, but it's a kit car one. Was built ages ago and the guy want's it redone. The thing is made of fiberglass that's crazy think. Car must weigh 8000 pounds. lol

Anyways, it needs wiring, but where do you get Dusenburg kit car wriing? The answer is nowhere, so the shop is installing the ISIS system. So far it's going really smooth and they are finding that it's pretty straightforward and simple to wire.

I like it because we get to practice before putting the ISIS in the Track Rat.

[Van B]

After seeing the system on Two Guys Garage yesterday, I have renewed interest in it. My Camaro will need to be rewired this winter anyway.

Can I get the details of the GP sent to me?

[wellis77]

After seeing the system on Two Guys Garage yesterday, I have renewed interest in it. My Camaro will need to be rewired this winter anyway.

Can I get the details of the GP sent to me?

PM Sent...

[Smitty_67]

After seeing the system on Two Guys Garage yesterday, I have renewed interest in it. My Camaro will need to be rewired this winter anyway.

Can I get the details of the GP sent to me?

PM sent..

[camaro2nv]

Man I sure hope we hit 25.

[BA.]

inMOTION is designed to provide direct motor and solenoid control. It provides forward and reverse control of a motor or solenoid that is not internally grounded or does not have a dedicated ground connection.

Depending on the type of motor or solenoid your vehicle has you may or may not need inMOTION. Most newer power window motors only have two terminals and do not have a dedicated ground. The control switch for these motors will supply +12V to one terminal and ground to the other to make the window go up and then will reverse the +12V and ground on the terminals to make the window go down. The power window diagram attached shows this type of motor.

...

The easiest way to tell what type of motor you have is apply +12V to one terminal and if the motor moves one direction and reverses when you apply +12V to the other terminal, then you do not need inMOTION. If the motor will not move unless you apply +12V to one terminal and ground to the other terminal and switching polarity changes direction then you would need inMOTION to directly control the motor with ISIS.

Since each motor controlled by inMOTION requires two wires, each module can control 5 motors directly (10 wires).

Mike


Yes, inMOTION is only needed for the guys that want to eliminate the factory style switches. ISIS can supply the power to the factory switch. inMOTION can be programmed to do things like express down, even if the system did not originally come with it.

Mike

I may be confused...
I was going to call ISIS about this on Monday but then I thought others might benefit from knowing as well. I'll try to keep it brief.

1. Can I mimic an "Express Down" feature for 1 or all windows using a timer personality without "InMotion"? (assuming enough available Power Cell connections)
2. Does anyone know what type the Electric Life brand PW kit is?
3. With no current ship date for InMotion, will it be an early 2011 release?


Thanks,

[wellis77]

I may be confused...
I was going to call ISIS about this on Monday but then I thought others might benefit from knowing as well. I'll try to keep it brief.

1. Can I mimic an "Express Down" feature for 1 or all windows using a timer personality without "InMotion"? (assuming enough available Power Cell connections)
2. Does anyone know what type the Electric Life brand PW kit is?
3. With no current ship date for InMotion, will it be an early 2011 release?


Thanks,

1. Shouldn't be a problem to mimic "Express Down" for all windows assuming availability of outputs.
2. Can't tell for sure on the reverse polarity motor but I believe they are based on this question from their FAQ's on their site


I have a set of the original power window switches and original wiring harness; will they work with your system?



If the switches come from a vehicle originally equipped with reverse polarity motors, than the wiring harness can easily be adapted to our system. Most vehicles produced after 1980 come with reverse polarity motors.
3. That's an ISIS question. I didn't ask a specific release date so possibly Jay or Mike reply to that one.

[camaro2nv]

Any updates on numbers in now?
I know you've been getting PMs of those wanting in for sure. Can you post a list like you did when this first got started? Thanks man!!!

[wellis77]

I don't have my list with me BUT I know there are 9 committed that I haven't heard they've sent orders to ISIS. There are also 2 that have sent in orders that were previously undecided. The tally I have so far is 13. Like I said, 9 still to come and still have over 20 undecided. We have extra time which is great because it allows other to make their decisions and get in on it, the big one though are those that committed. The deal is based on those committed and the extras are based on the probability that we can get a few more with as good as this is.

Keep 'em coming guys...

[ideola]

I want in. I understand we have until close of business today? I just found this forum and this thread (Sorry, I'm a Porsche guy, but this would be perfect for my project (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3034304).)

Please PM details or let me know who I need to email at ISIS.

[wellis77]

I want in. I understand we have until close of business today? I just found this forum and this thread (Sorry, I'm a Porsche guy, but this would be perfect for my project (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3034304).)

Please PM details or let me know who I need to email at ISIS.

PM sent...

[GetMore]

I did send them an email asking about the possibility of allowing those who join this group buy to get the same discount on additional items at a later date, so those that need the inMotion module or an additional Powercell would not be stuck paying full price later.
I'm waiting to hear what they say.

[wellis77]

Thanks for doing that Jason, that's a great thought and one I'll certainly benefit from if they go that route. By the way, did you send your order in to ISIS? Thanks.

[GetMore]

I'm still on the fence. If they do go for my idea I am definitely in.
Maybe I should tell them that? Feels a bit like extortion though.

[The WidowMaker]

i think that offering the price on parts that are not available is a no brainer. im not sure they would go for the extra powercell idea. hopefully they do though......

Tim

[wellis77]

Parts not available at this time I could see as a possibility, but additional powercells I don't see that making sense for them, especially since we have the opportunity now to get the extra cells at a break. Part of the planning process I suppose. I'm already in for an extra cell. Took some time for me to sit down and figure out exactly what I need, and then what I want. I "WANT" the extra cell, and I can't wait to get it.

[camaro2nv]

I really dont know how anyone is on the fence. If we get the 25 we get the discount and two extras. If you change your mind before your build is done Im sure you could sell the stuff and not take a hit.

[wellis77]

I really dont know how anyone is on the fence. If we get the 25 we get the discount and two extras. If you change your mind before your build is done Im sure you could sell the stuff and not take a hit.

Totally have the same thought. This is a smoking deal which will likely not be had again. It's an amazing system, that really is quite simple, even though it can be made to look complex due to the programability. Safety and security features built-in, almost limitless programability, the list goes on. Customer support is great, everybody at ISIS is on their game and willing to do whatever to help and answer questions. It's a great system and my opinion is those that are bringing new technology into their projects are really missing the boat by not using this system.

[mweber]

I may be confused...
I was going to call ISIS about this on Monday but then I thought others might benefit from knowing as well. I'll try to keep it brief.

1. Can I mimic an "Express Down" feature for 1 or all windows using a timer personality without "InMotion"? (assuming enough available Power Cell connections)
2. Does anyone know what type the Electric Life brand PW kit is?
3. With no current ship date for InMotion, will it be an early 2011 release?


Thanks,
Sorry for the delay but I was away from email since Friday.
1. The main problem with using a timer profile is if the motor stalls the output will continue to be energized for the set time. The fuse on the output will protect the wire but the motor my overheat before the fuse opens. The other problem is if the window is not put up all the way and then down is pushed again the motor will stall at the bottom of the movement before the timer is complete.

inMotion actually learns the amperage draw profile for each motor and then constantly monitors the current to determine if the motor has stalled. This way when the window is all the way down or it hits something the output is turned off.

Jay will have to supply the specifics on the release date for inMOTION.

Mike

[ccracin]

Just wondering if the discount codes have been sent out yet. I sent my confirmation email to ISIS, but have not received the code for ordering yet. No rush, I just don't want to miss out. Thanks.

Chad

[RodDawg]

After seeing the system on Two Guys Garage yesterday, I have renewed interest in it. My Camaro will need to be rewired this winter anyway.

Can I get the details of the GP sent to me?


I am in the middle of a build, have old harness removed, and would like this info too, please.

[Smitty_67]

I am in the middle of a build, have old harness removed, and would like this info too, please.

PM Sent

[wellis77]

Just wondering if the discount codes have been sent out yet. I sent my confirmation email to ISIS, but have not received the code for ordering yet. No rush, I just don't want to miss out. Thanks.

Chad

Hey Chad, discount codes have not been sent out yet. We have until next Friday, August 14, to get all the order in to ISIS. We are at 15 orders now, getting closer.

There are 8 members that have committed to this buy that have not yet sent in orders. Let's get those orders in guys so we can get to 25 and hit the pay-dirt...

[ccracin]

Thanks Will. Hey I am a member at this board

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/index.php

Unfortunately their rules don't allow me to post stuff about GP's unless you are a supporting member. I think there may be some members here that are supporting over there. It is all Chevy trucks. They have 55,000 members. Might be a good place!

Later,

Chad

[G_T]

Will - I sent in my email - you should have received a copy. Hope we pass 25!

Thanks
GT

[gkring]

just sent in the order, 3 cell, extra powercell, etc. Don't know if I was on the "in" list since I sent jay an email saying I was in or on the "maybe" list. I should be 100% in now since they have my credit card order now. I am assuming we will get a discount somewhere along the line since I sent mine in at full price. if we are one or two away from hitting the 25 discount I am sure one or two guys will step up and buy a spare to sell later?



Hey Chad, discount codes have not been sent out yet. We have until next Friday, August 14, to get all the order in to ISIS. We are at 15 orders now, getting closer.

There are 8 members that have committed to this buy that have not yet sent in orders. Let's get those orders in guys so we can get to 25 and hit the pay-dirt...

[camaro2nv]

Wait, we dont pay yet right?

[The WidowMaker]

correct, we dont pay yet. theyll send us a code to enter to get the discount.

[wellis77]

Thanks guys for letting me know. According to my list we need 8 more to hit the mother load. There are 25 guys still undecided and 7 committed that need to place their order.

Any of you guys still on the fence about this system, now is the time. It won't get better than the opportunity we have before us. Those of you that haven't placed your order yet, let's get them in.

[Smitty_67]

incorrect post

[ls427ss]

I am interested in 1, 2 or possibly more to put in stock. Can someone pm me a retail price they would charge anyone walking in off the street, and what they will cost now if 3 more orders are made, and how much if we meet the magic number??? Cost and resale price will determine how many I buy and if nobody can answer that question, I doubt a deal is being offered. I have seen one, and they are cooler than the other side of my pillow, and I already know the product is badd ass, so money, and how much of a deal this will really end up being all said and done, is what will sell me.

If I buy 3+... the deal had better be pretty sweet
A deal is only a deal if you don't end up... :bsjerk:

[wellis77]

I am interested in 1, 2 or possibly more to put in stock. Can someone pm me a retail price they would charge anyone walking in off the street, and what they will cost now if 3 more orders are made, and how much if we meet the magic number??? Cost and resale price will determine how many I buy and if nobody can answer that question, I doubt a deal is being offered. I have seen one, and they are cooler than the other side of my pillow, and I already know the product is badd ass, so money, and how much of a deal this will really end up being all said and done, is what will sell me.

If I buy 3+... the deal had better be pretty sweet
A deal is only a deal if you don't end up... :bsjerk:

PM Sent...

[Gandalf]

Please PM details of GP.

Thanks,
G