Can a Saginaw ps pump be converted to a remote reservoir?

[parsonsj]

I'm using a Turn One ps pump on II Much, and I need to convert that pump to a remote reservoir.

It would seem that a press in fitting (where the integrated reservoir port is) would work well. Anybody know about anything like that?

jp

[CarlC]

The port can be threaded to accept a straight thread o-ring/-10 fitting.

There's some pics of mine here...

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42290&highlight=magnuson

[parsonsj]

Carl,

Nice! That's what I was thinking about. I took my old AGR pump apart tonight to see if machining (or welding) that port was possible. There's not a ton of metal there for machining, but it may be possible. My AGR seems to have a pressed in sleeve... I'll have a look at my TurnOne pump to see if it has a sleeve too. Cutting threads on a sleeve won't be any fun...

thanks!

jp

[parsonsj]

Oh, and my old AGR pump was a mess. Scored base and upper pump plates along with the rotor. No wonder I had PS problems with it.

jp

[Vegas69]

John...my pump is a type two and has a press fit fitting for the feed line. I seriously thought about tapping it so I could use an AN fitting but decided to just leave the press in fitting. It came with my March set up.

[parsonsj]

my pump is a type two and has a press fit fitting for the feed line.Exactly! I wonder if that press fitting is available?

jp

[CarlC]

If the housing has a sleeve in it, why not remove it and fabricate a new one to fit your needs?

Or, modify a -10AN male-XXNPT fitting by turning down the threads to make a press fit to adapt to the current port.

PS pumps do not like RPM+heat. TurnOne and Lee's both offer the TC and CB style pumps with -10AN inlets.

[CarlC]

Carl,
Cutting threads on a sleeve won't be any fun...
jp

Tap the threads on a thick-wall tube first, then cut the O.D. Clean the housing and heat to 225* in the oven for 1/2 hour. Freeze the sleeve. It should drop in if your press fit is somewhere around 0.0003" (I'll need to check, that number is off the top of my head.)

[parsonsj]

Carl, I love how you think. Just like me! I have to see if the Turn One pump has a sleeve. My old AGR pump is the one with the sleeve.

I ordered the tap (7/8 - 14) last night, and I'll need it either to make a fixture for my mill to turn an AN fitting or to tap the housing directly.

I'm a little reluctant to pull the actual pump out of the car right now, but maybe I should get this problem solved on my current setup before transferring it to the new one.

jp

[Vegas69]

It wasn't a very tight press fit and was sealed with what looked like red loctite. I actually pulled it out thinking I was going to tap it. I then decided against it and put it back in with a rubber malet and red loctite. No problems so far. It's just a 90 degree elbow like you would see in a water pump. I was going to tap the pump housing and use a oring an fitting or npt with pipe dope. The opening is chamfered from memory. May want to call march, I bet the have the press fitting or know where to get it.

[parsonsj]

It wasn't a very tight press fit and was sealed with what looked like red loctite.That's good news. This is more of a vacuum line than a pressure line anyway. So you're more worried about cavitation due to air bubbles coming in than it blowing due to pressure. I'm going to order a reservoir and if it gets here in time, I'll go to this setup for RTTH.

jp

[CarlC]

John, I'd look hard at tapping the housing/threaded insert and using an o-ring sealed straight thread fitting. It allows you to not only use a variety of fitting types (straight, 90*, etc.) but also the ability to clock the connections.

I had the pump on mine modified by Lee's. After discussions with him about what to use, he suggested staying with the pump I had, CB, and fix it up to match the rest of the steering gear and add -10/-6 connections. Grand total? $78.

[parsonsj]

I talked to Tony Woodward (www.woodwardsteering.com; he's the guy that made my custom rack and always takes my calls) today.

He said the same thing: they just tap it for an o-ring AN fitting. I have taps on the way, so that will be my first try.

jp

[parsonsj]

The tap idea worked perfectly. I have my reservoir in, but I've hit a new snag: 10 AN is so big that a straight o-ring to AN fitting plus a 90 degree hose-end puts me right back where I started. I can finagle it to work, but the better solution would be a 90-degree o-ring to AN fitting.

Anybody know where I might find one on Monday for overnite shipping to me on Tuesday?

jp

[Vegas69]

These guys are sharp with power steering. http://www.gottashow.com/ What about a banjo fitting?

[hotrdblder]

what size john? summit has a few, http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EAR-949009ERL&N=700+115&autoview=sku

also napa as weatherhead type fitting for hydraulics and you can always make your own o ring fitting, just get proper thread with # 10 onother side and find o ring that fits snug. its what i do to adapt agr rack to # 6 an fitting.

[parsonsj]

bango fittingGood idea, but I think it will have problems since the flat surface that the banjo mates to is hand filed. I don't think I could get it flat enough and square to the threads.
summit has a fewNot really... they are all on back-order. I need somebody that has them in stock and can ship them overnight! Or I won't have a car for RTTH! Thanks for looking them up, though.

jp

[CarlC]

Find a Parker store. That's where I purchased mine.

Most any hydraulic shop should have it as well. Central Florida Hydraulics looks like they are in your neighborhood.

[hotrdblder]

Find a Parker store. That's where I purchased mine.

Most any hydraulic shop should have it as well. Central Florida Hydraulics looks like they are in your neighborhood.
exactly, our napa's up here all have weatherhead hydraulic fittings, my bet is call a napa or even a tractor store and find out who they use for there hydraulic lines etc

[Bruning Auto Design]

If the housing has a sleeve in it, why not remove it and fabricate a new one to fit your needs?

Or, modify a -10AN male-XXNPT fitting by turning down the threads to make a press fit to adapt to the current port.

PS pumps do not like RPM+heat. TurnOne and Lee's both offer the TC and CB style pumps with -10AN inlets.
This started out as a -10 AN to 1/2" NPT stainless fitting. Tim machined the O-ring step/groove for plumbing a remote reservoir on Rob's Demon (6.1 HEMI pump) and also fabricated a hold down bracket.

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[CarlC]

That is really nice.

I always like a good bango fitting too.

[parsonsj]

Frank Serafine is going to snag me one from a hydraulic shop near him for me. Kudos to Frank and Prodigy Customs once again!

Here's a pic of where I'm at. You can see how natural the AN-10 fitting looks, but the 90 degree hose end is still too close to the inner fenders. A 90 degree fitting and a straight hose end will solve the problem once and for all.

[CarlC]

A nice bent-tube fitting would be better than a forged/drilled hole type in order to reduce the restriction.

Nice setup.