debating Camaro or Challenger????? [Archive]

deeboe78

08-20-2008, 04:42 AM

I have my eyes set on the new camaro but Ive heard very good things about the challenger. which would you buy???? Im really a bowtie guy :headbang: and new to the whole mopar world. lol

trapin

08-20-2008, 05:08 AM

Both cars are American so either one would be a wise choice.

That's how I look at it.

victionone

08-20-2008, 06:18 AM

Without a doulbt the Camaro. The Challenger looks prettier but the Camaro is superior in every way.

MuscleRodz

08-20-2008, 07:25 AM

Why debate about a car that isn't even available yet or may never be? I am sick of the carrot that has been dangled for waaaay too many years on the Camaro. Go to the dealership and buy the Challenger. It is everything it should be just like the '05 Mustang was.

Benoit23

08-20-2008, 07:41 AM

Buy the Challenger & when the Camaro comes out, it you like it better, trade it in..... if not, then keep the Challeger.

I want the Challenger & my wife wants the Camaro. If I play my card right I may be able to get both.
:fingersx:

CamaroLance

08-20-2008, 07:54 AM

CHRIS67

08-20-2008, 08:03 AM

It's hard to buy a car on pictures and specs alone. Wait until the camaro is out, test drive them both, and see what you feel better fits you and your budget.

jknight16

08-20-2008, 08:05 AM

The Camaro will be in dealerships March-April 2009. There are dealers currently taking deposits (no orders til' pricing is released in December) on build slots that will sell at MSRP or lower, so no price gouging.

The challenger is a great looking car, no doubt about it. But for me, the fact that the new Camaro's Zeta II platform is likely to be the most structurally sound chassis the company currently produces (even compared to the new CTS) combined with the LS3 TR6060, Brembo brakes, an interior that isn't shared with a 300C and Charger, and the fact that it looks amazing in its own right, I'll be buying a Camaro. Oh, and I'll probably save a nice chunk of $$ in the process.

The list of reasons why the camaro is a better built and engineered car is quite long, but if the Challenger's current availability and undeniable good looks are enough for ya, then like Tony said, at least you're keeping it American. :usa:

Mr.VENGEANCE

08-20-2008, 08:16 AM

buy a challenger... drive the hell outta it... then trade it in FOR the camaro comes out..

done.

SaturnVUEguy

08-20-2008, 08:35 AM

ajjones44

08-20-2008, 08:44 AM

Both are good choices. I would go with the Camaro which is a better performance choice.

Damn True

08-20-2008, 08:50 AM

I would go with the one that has a manual and weighs less than 4000 lbs.

Steve1968LS2

08-20-2008, 08:51 AM

I would go with the one that has a manual and weighs less than 4000 lbs.

Funny, that's what I was going to say...

And the one with the engine that has far more aftermarket support. :)

Damn True

08-20-2008, 09:03 AM

...and the one with an ECU that you can hack.

MarkM66

08-20-2008, 11:48 AM

1st gen Camaro FTW!

69LT1Nova

08-20-2008, 01:17 PM

1st gen Camaro FTW!

And this is coming from a Nova guy. :wasntme:

BonzoHansen

08-20-2008, 01:27 PM

I would go with the one that has a manual and weighs less than 4000 lbs.
Better hope the dealer will order one w/o sunroof...then the SS will tip over 4k...3900 is close

Steve Firebird

08-20-2008, 01:50 PM

CAMARO all the way.

mpozzi

08-20-2008, 02:50 PM

CAMERO all the way.

There's a mandatory two-week ban for anyone that can't spell Camaro correctly ... :pat:

J/K,
Mary Pozzi

blown9746

08-20-2008, 03:21 PM

neither. camaro is kinda ugly and the challenger has been marked up so much it's not worth it

deeboe78

08-20-2008, 04:32 PM

Ugly. Uhm no. Tommrow Im going to a chevy dealer to talk to a rep and most likely put down the 500 deposit. My wife's dad works for GM and is pretty high up the chain. Hopefully I can get a decent employee's discount. Evey since I seen that car in transformers I wanted it. lol Im quite sure all of you too. My eyes are set on the V8 but i read it only takes 93 (sshhhhhsshhh). that might be a deciding factor too.

thanks

SSG D

68sixspeed

08-20-2008, 06:26 PM

IMO neither, both are too heavy... camaro's way too ugly... buy a vette (even used) and be done with it unless you really need the back seat for kids/etc.

BLT2DRIVE

08-20-2008, 07:52 PM

Did you see the new Hot Rod with the lite weight Challengers being built for the NHRA classes? They've taken a 1000 lbs. out of it.lite wt. glass, no bumper guts,no ac/heater, ect. Tribute style to the Hemi Darts and Cuda's of yore. Why not Trans Am it for a little road track time. Go bang fenders with the Year One turn-key tribute racers?

go-fish

08-21-2008, 03:04 AM

deeboe78

08-21-2008, 03:06 AM

How can you say the Camaro is ugly???? Its a pretty damn good looking car. I do undersatnd the weight issue. I dont care. The purpose is DDing not for racing. The car might just tip over 4K heavy as hell but who cares. I havent had a new car since my 1998 ford taurus. lol My mom bought it. seriously she did!! lol

68sixspeed

08-21-2008, 03:53 AM

well I did use the prefix IMO... as someone with a 68 and 69, they copied some of the features a lot of us don't like on the 69 like the square pod dash, etc. Plus the tire/rim combo looks oversized, it's too 'thick' in the body height as is the challenger, and the weight thing is huge. Take the old slide rule for 1/4 mile and see what 800lbs of extra weight does. And that's just in the straight line. I was at a HPDE the other week with a very annoyed new mustang owner at how his new stang went in the corners, too way too long to brake, and was getting beat up on by mid 90's vettes, let alone the newer stuff. I don't know, I just see GM making some of the same mistakes as on the GTO's a few years ago... even with the 6 liter they are mid 14 second rides.

twosaturns

08-21-2008, 04:04 AM

I would go with the one that has a manual and weighs less than 4000 lbs.

then I would get a used 911.

twosaturns

08-21-2008, 04:07 AM

How can you say the Camaro is ugly???? Its a pretty damn good looking car.

you have to admit, the looks are polarizing, you either love it or hate it

me, I think it's an ugly cartoon ripoff of a 1st gen. yes, it has an amazing engine and platform, I'm sure it'll be a great drive, but I can't stand to look at it.

GM has run out of new ideas.

deeboe78

08-21-2008, 05:28 AM

What makes a car? the looks? the engine?? the camaro will have both.

BonzoHansen

08-21-2008, 08:02 AM

you have to admit, the looks are polarizing, you either love it or hate it

me, I think it's an ugly cartoon ripoff of a 1st gen. yes, it has an amazing engine and platform, I'm sure it'll be a great drive, but I can't stand to look at it.

GM has run out of new ideas.They've been polarizing since 1970. It's not like all camaro fans are universally fans of all gens. If not for the LS1 & T56, I'd have no use for most 4th gens, lol.

Damn True

08-21-2008, 08:31 AM

you have to admit, the looks are polarizing, you either love it or hate it

me, I think it's an ugly cartoon ripoff of a 1st gen. yes, it has an amazing engine and platform, I'm sure it'll be a great drive, but I can't stand to look at it.

GM has run out of new ideas.

At least they took a design risk and did something original while still hinting at the 1st Gen. As opposed to Mopar essentially wrapping the old body around a new chassis and making the car a bloated looking caricature because of the need to package modern structural requirements within their 40 year old skin.

deeboe78

08-21-2008, 08:35 AM

yeah i agree. I just want a good looking car. And I think I found one. IMO The car has a unique look to it. I never owned a camaro which is what is funny about it this because Im pretty much a trend guy. lol

deeboe78

08-21-2008, 08:53 AM

yes yes my friends I just paid the deposit and now Im on the list.
congrats to me yoooohoooo!!!! lol

Mr.VENGEANCE

08-21-2008, 08:59 AM

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Damn True

08-21-2008, 09:12 AM

Oh what was that movie?

Gonzostyle

08-21-2008, 09:45 AM

the 5th element I believe

Bishop73

08-21-2008, 09:45 AM

Fifth Element. Oh, and I vote Pontiac G8 GT(X)!!

deeboe78

08-21-2008, 02:38 PM

Yeah those are nice too but that camaro is sooooo niceeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!. Now i need to decide on the color schm i.e. w/ stripes no stripes. etc. lol

Bishop73

08-21-2008, 02:57 PM

Gotta have stripes on it!

deeboe78

08-21-2008, 06:19 PM

yep i was thinking metallic blue w/ white stripes. the bumble bee version will not be out until next Jul aggghhhh lol

MrQuick

08-21-2008, 07:35 PM

Camaro hands down. good choice

Steve Firebird

08-22-2008, 04:04 AM

There's a mandatory two-week ban for anyone that can't spell Camaro correctly ... :pat:

J/K,
Mary Pozzi
I fixed it. :guilty: What do you expect from a Firebird guy? I think that may be one of the first times I have ever had to spell it and my brain cramped up on me. I guess subconsciously I am still sore about them not bringing the Firebird back with the Camaro.

deeboe78

08-22-2008, 04:21 AM

Thx Mr Quick. I think I made the right choice too. The challenger looks good but its no pratical for my pockets, and its looks like a 70 put on a modern day chasis IMO. To be honest I hope I get to enjoy the car before I get deployed again in the near future. I just hope the engine will be adaptable to aftermarket parts. But in doing that I will probally hinder the warranty.

JEFFTATE

08-22-2008, 05:07 AM

I'd get a new Camaro in a heartbeat. ( If I had the money , lol )
But I wouldn't part with my '69 to do it.

The Challenger looks great too.
I just couldn't afford both.

Bigblue73

08-22-2008, 05:12 AM

'09 Challenger R/T - Six Speed - Trak Pack - Vortech Supercharger. The aftermarket is rapidly coming for the Mopars, just you wait and see, mark my word on this.

SMKN TA 95

08-22-2008, 05:53 AM

After seeing the size of a Challenger in person, I'm still all for the Camaro. I'm planning on getting one once all of the colors become available....

Benoit23

08-22-2008, 06:45 AM

I found these on another board, BAD A$$!!!!!
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Mr.VENGEANCE

08-22-2008, 07:43 AM

aaaahhh..

now look what a simple drop and wheels will do..

now imagine that with the CAMARO!

gearheads78

08-22-2008, 07:45 AM

I vote drive a beater and save my money for project cars.

ajjones44

08-22-2008, 08:28 AM

I found these on another board, BAD A$$!!!!!
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Damn...that is nice.

deeboe78

08-22-2008, 08:29 AM

I have a 70 chevelle. but I want somthing "new" and to hop in a ride decding less on what I want to with it than enjoying the car will be a good change. I am keeping my chevelle......its my 2nd love (even though my wife thinks its my first lol) I wish I can see those pics benoit23 my military Cpu doesnt allow it. what is it?

deeboe78

08-22-2008, 08:35 PM

just seen the pictures of the car. It looks nice droped but the rear of the makes the challenger look weird IMO.

deeboe78

09-14-2008, 05:42 AM

Does anybody have any knowledge on the GM's dealership enhacments to the camaro? I was told they will be some.

blown9746

09-14-2008, 07:48 AM

'09 Challenger R/T - Six Speed - Trak Pack - Vortech Supercharger. The aftermarket is rapidly coming for the Mopars, just you wait and see, mark my word on this.

my thoughts exactly. Saw a challenger on the street the other day and it is a stunning car.

IMO the frontend of the camaro is ugly. I like the rest of the car. I have to wait to see it in person.

Samckitt

09-14-2008, 07:52 AM

I vote Camaro, I think it looks better than the Challenger.

deeboe78

09-14-2008, 10:20 AM

a V6 with 300+ horsepower is pretty impressive. I think and know I made the right choice. Does anyone know of what GM will be bringing out with their launch of the camaro? I will most likley get the call in Nov-Dec time frame. trying to figure out color scheme etc.

wedgehead

09-14-2008, 10:29 AM

The Challenger just does it for me. I may be a little partial to the mopar as I do own a 71. I will wait for the price to come down before I get one though.

Mathius

09-15-2008, 03:39 PM

I honestly can't wait until the Camaro comes out and someone does a Horton body kit for it. If they don't, I may one-off one myself in steel.

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Mathius

Bill Howell

09-15-2008, 03:46 PM

'09 Challenger R/T - Six Speed - Trak Pack - Vortech Supercharger. The aftermarket is rapidly coming for the Mopars, just you wait and see, mark my word on this.

I just hope that vortech will fit a 6.4........

vipercuda

09-15-2008, 04:53 PM

I just hope that vortech will fit a 6.4........

Bill, we will have a Mr. Norm twin screw supercharger for your 6.4 just after the first of the year. It will create more power than the vortech and dress the motor up too...

Mike

Bill Howell

09-15-2008, 04:54 PM

Bill, we will have a Mr. Norm twin screw supercharger for your 6.4 just after the first of the year. It will create more power than the vortech and dress the motor up too...

Mike

How much higher is that than the stock intake? I don't have alot of spare room up top, but do have some since the hood change. Cool news, gotta start saving my pennies.

vipercuda

09-15-2008, 06:07 PM

How much higher is that than the stock intake? I don't have alot of spare room up top, but do have some since the hood change. Cool news, gotta start saving my pennies.

Don't have final measurements but I would say it will sit lower than injection... Kenne Bell is making it for us...
Mike

CarlC

09-15-2008, 06:56 PM

There are several companies that are working on intercooled twin-screws. One for sure will fit under the Challenger hood without mods. If it will fit in that chassis, it will fit in just about any other current Mopar platform.

I'll bet that GM, unlike the 4th gen, has left enough room to shoehorn in an intercooled supercharger. It would not take much to adapt current LS3 offerings to work.

Isn't the automotive aftermarket a great thing?

Bill Howell

09-15-2008, 07:00 PM

Sorry I hijacked the thread a bit, my car is a 72 charger with a 6.4 crate motor.

deeboe78

10-14-2008, 04:09 AM

Ok finally the price ranges are out for the camaro, and is as follows:

OFFICIAL 2010 Camaro Pricing

Model:
Camaro LS -- $22,995 (MSRP)
Camaro 1LT -- $24,630 (MSRP)
Camaro 2LT -- $27,330 (MSRP)
Camaro 1SS -- $30,992 (MSRP)
Camaro 2SS -- $34,180 (MSRP)

Options:
Convenience and Connectivity w/ Automatic Transmission -- $665 Concenience and Connectivity w/ Manual Transmission -- $465 Interior Trim Package -- $500 RS Package w/ 1LT -- $1,750 RS Package w/ 2LT -- $1,450 RS Package w/ 1SS or 2SS -- $1,200 Carpeted Front -- $60 Engine Block Heater -- $75 Red Jewel Tint Premium Paint -- $295 Boston Acoustics System -- $495 Compact Spare Tire and Wheel -- $150 Cyber Gray Metallic Stripes -- $395 White Stripes -- $395 Power Sunroof -- $900 Transmission, Automatic 6-speed -- $995 19" Polished Aluminum Wheel w/ 1LT -- $720 19" Polished Aluminum Wheel w/ 2LT -- $470 20" Polished Aluminum Wheel -- $470

I dont know what color to get you guys I NEED HEEEELLLLPPPP!!! lol

paulk68

10-14-2008, 05:52 AM

i think cyber grey is going to be really nice

Dougs67camaro

10-14-2008, 11:35 AM

I am an all out chevy guy and own a 67 rsss Camaro, but i would go for the challenger. I think Dodge did a much better job than gm on this one.:rolleyes:

Damn True

10-14-2008, 11:49 AM

Based on your extensive experience with both?

Dougs67camaro

10-14-2008, 12:06 PM

Based on your extensive experience with both?

Damn True. Were you talking to me? If so i just meant the styling. The challenger looks much more like the original car than the Camaro.

DJW32

10-14-2008, 12:59 PM

Camaro for the win! I have GM stock.

deeboe78

10-15-2008, 03:58 AM

Uhmm colors guys?? thanks lol

derekf

10-15-2008, 04:39 AM

I'm surprised the blue isn't available on SS. Blue with the white stripes would be my first choice, were it available.

Following that, red with white or black with white.

Coworker is debating getting one in red with white, or the orange.

slenning

10-15-2008, 04:54 AM

I ordered a black with white stripe, 2SS with RS, 6 spd manual on tues. Hopefully they will get them shipping as early next year as they say they will. March delivery or so. I've seen both the Camaro and Challenger in person and I like the looks of the Camaro better, hands down. It was fairly tough deciding between black and Cyber gray.

deeboe78

10-16-2008, 05:13 AM

Just orderd yesterday. YEAHHHHHH! :bananna2:. Inferno metallic orange w/ black stripes. 2SS package fully loaded RS automatic. Guts will be black and orange trimming. I cannot f---ing wait. My wife has been acting strange since I orderd the car. :dunno: wanting extra attention.

deeboe78

10-16-2008, 05:19 AM

I also heard from GM (reliable source) that the SS versions will be avaibale before Feb. I HOPE SO!!!!!

jknight16

10-16-2008, 08:20 AM

The guys that work in the plant in Oshawa aren't expecting to start building any Camaros until Feb 16th so I wouldn't get your hopes up for that one.

shortrack

10-16-2008, 08:44 AM

The guys that work in the plant in Oshawa aren't expecting to start building any Camaros until Feb 16th so I wouldn't get your hopes up for that one.

my buddies that work in the plant are saying late Feb early March for the first ones to roll out........doug

jknight16

10-16-2008, 08:48 AM

That makes sense...fits with what I've been hearing too. From another article I was reading, apparently the #3 car built is tentatively scheduled for a Feb 16th production date (it will then be auctioned to benefit an automotive design school), so that's where I was getting that exact date, but there's a lot that can happen between now and then.

deeboe78

10-16-2008, 01:28 PM

bembo brakes? someone please explain. am I going to be able to powder coat my calipers?

BMF Machine

10-17-2008, 05:54 PM

Charger.............................. Way CooleR; GM seems to have lost touch with reality. I think the new CamarO sucks, big time. The ChargeR looks 1 gazillion times better. IMO