Another Oil Thread (but a good one)

[go-fish]

Don't know if anyone here has heard of the Pickens Plan. He is the crazy old coot from Oklahoma that tried to bribe KU's basketball coach to come back to his Alma Mater at Okla. State to coach.

Anyway, he is an oil man that was made rich by the sweet crude but is realistic and knows the dependency we have on oil is cripling us. His wind generation, natural gas, hydroelectric plans are fabulous. He is an oil industry insider that knows how to kick our dependance on foreign oil and ultimately nearly be oil free.

http://www.pickensplan.com/media/low.php?bcpid=1640183817&bclid=1641831862&bctid=1653635039

[WS6]

I saw a commercial of his but had no other info about it. Thanks for the link.

I like his ideas. I just wish the NIMBY's and the enviro crowd would think logically about this issue.

[Jim Nilsen]

The biggest defeat of wind power are the people who think they are ugly. I do understand the people who say they are noisy and I understand the 60 cycle beat of the prop to drive you crazy. But that can be solved.
The way to help this change is that people actually get shown and start to look at utility poles and towers that they have so long been acustomed to seeing and ignoring. You have to think that once you have seen something you can't change for all your life that it is boring to look at and you just let it blend in and accept it.
The new wind turbines are just that NEW and people just can't take their eyes off of them. I think it is the mezmerizing speed of the prop. It goes slow enough to not lose sight of it and they get bored to death looking at it. So bored that they say they don't like the looks of it. Just like the way they respond to anything new that they are attacted to but still might not like. People have to look even if they don't want to at these props just because they are there.

When people finally get used to wind towers and the talk about something new silences the only thing you will hear is , When can we get one outside of our town!

As long as there are people who are like my sister inlaw who only complain that they pay high gas prices and utility bills and have the money not to worry about cost and can go on without worry along with thinking that wind towers are ugly and she doesn't want them, we will have a battle harder than a world war to win.

I'm all for wind. I feel it needs to be done both small and large scale to work so the grid can hold up the way it is. People feeding the grid from their houses after they have used what they need puts less stress and need from the other end. Some places just don't get enough wind to make all of their own and will need the outside help.

I keep thinking sometimes that if we put the wind turbine on top of every utility pole and tower people would only notice them being put up and never look at them again because they have been ignoring to look there their whole lives. If you did this, grid tie would require less materials and labor and the aquisition of land would be uneeded. The numbers of places to put them would make them a bit smaller and less noisy and when they stop working there would be more people to report it and no more than the cost of replacing a transformer on a pole.

[go-fish]

Bahrain WTC, looks neat. Being in Bahrain and seeing this building first hand was not boring at all. One of the coolest architectural feats I have ever seen.

[TonyL]

And for those that dont like wind turbines there's This brilliant solution. (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4224763.html)

[6fastback7]

We have the largest WindFarm in Canada..woohoo...bad news though..it looses over 1 million dollars a year in revenue.
Land isnt free and it takes a **** load of acres to generate 100 Megawatts of power...if people know there land is valuable to the government they`ll rape you clean...we are stuck in a 25 year lease in a project that looses more money then it will every generate...but hey were saving the planet...at least thats what are political party wants the people to believe. We are very lucky to have alot of rivers up here that generate alot of cheap Water Power..so we dont need WindPower...but you get enough dudes like this making speeches like in the video and the world thinks its the right thing to do. It is quite impressive to see them all though they have 63 of them running at the moment...but perhaps are utility bills would be a tad bit lower if we ditched them and stop loosing cash over a farm that should never of been built

[Jim Nilsen]

We have the largest WindFarm in Canada..woohoo...bad news though..it looses over 1 million dollars a year in revenue.
Land isnt free and it takes a **** load of acres to generate 100 Megawatts of power...if people know there land is valuable to the government they`ll rape you clean...we are stuck in a 25 year lease in a project that looses more money then it will every generate...but hey were saving the planet...at least thats what are political party wants the people to believe. We are very lucky to have alot of rivers up here that generate alot of cheap Water Power..so we dont need WindPower...but you get enough dudes like this making speeches like in the video and the world thinks its the right thing to do. It is quite impressive to see them all though they have 63 of them running at the moment...but perhaps are utility bills would be a tad bit lower if we ditched them and stop loosing cash over a farm that should never of been built

The more I have researched wind farms the more it became evident that the way they are letting it be done has doomed itself. The reason is that the wind power is only an effective cost savings when there is a direct connection to the user from the supply and the excess power goes to the grid, no middleman. The objective they use in a wind farm is to have you pay to build a power supply that still makes you pay and they handle all of the hassle for you. The added people involved with their hands out have done really well to take the money and run and others have totally had money taken from them that they could have done thousands of home systems with considering that the amount of power made is only enough to supply that many people. You have to admit what big lobbiest and utility money can do for the stock holders. It doesn't prove that wind doesn't work ,it just proves that it doesn't work on the big power company scale and it works out for the little guy because the utilties will have to accept it or go bankrupt in the wind generating buisiness and eventually when we learn to harness the free energy for ourselves and the lawmakers let us have it.

The big questions for me is ? Are the leases for the land that have to be paid each year more than the cost of a private wind system for each landowner ? If you looked into the pockets of the people invloved in handling the project would you find more than a million in cost that could and would be eliminated from being done on a private level?

In my area they have 2 dams and the only power we get from the river is by cooling the reactor at the nuke plant. There is a lot of power going to waste with the use of old tech and new tech put together. It's a shame since one of the dams used to power the city for years.

I live in a windy spot most of the time and have realized that you still have to have solar help out in all of the easy ways like hot water and heat along with panels for more power but the wind sometimes at my place blows all day at 20 to 25 mph and would really offset my heating bill on those cold blowing windy days and nights. It wouldn't take long to pay for itself and be usefull when there is no other power at all.