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gearheads78
06-27-2008, 04:36 PM
Great story from Dave Ramsey. He read this over the air the other day but if you didn't here it you need to read it.
A couple of weeks ago, I worked late like I sometimes need to do to run my business. It was a nice Tennessee summer evening, and I was enjoying the drive home. About 7:30, as I pulled to a stop light a few blocks from my office, I noticed a light on in the corner office of a friend’s office building. Through the twilight I could make out my friend’s silhouette as he bent over his desk. Being a fellow entrepreneur, I knew what he was doing.
He was pouring over some receivables. Some turkey hadn’t paid him, and he was trying to make his accounts balance so he would have the cash to make it another day. In that instant, I had a flashback to some of the ridiculous statements I’ve been hearing on the talking-head news channels and from some individuals during this political year. And I’ll be honest—I instantly felt the heat of anger flow through my body.
Let me tell you why. You see, my friend who I saw working late—we’ll call him Henry—is a great guy. He’s who you want your son to grow up to be. He loves God, his country, his wife, and his kids. He didn’t have the academic advantage of attending a big-name university. Instead, he started installing heating and air systems as a grunt laborer after he graduated from high school. He was and is a very hard and diligent worker, and before long, the boss taught him the trade. But when he was 24, after 6 years of service, the company he was working for got into financial trouble and laid him off.
Henry still had his tools, so he bought an old pickup to haul around his materials and tools, and suddenly he was in business. He knew about heating and air-conditioning, but not about business, so he made a lot of mistakes.
He persisted. He took accounting and management at the community college to learn about business. He started reading books on business, HVAC, marriage, kids, God, and anything else someone he respected recommended. Today he is one of the best-read men I know. Soon, because of his fabulous service and fair prices, he developed a great reputation, and his little business began to grow.
Henry started 15 years ago, and now he has 17 employees whose families are fed because he does a great job. He is in church on Sunday and seldom misses his kids’ Little League games. Sometimes he has to miss a game because some poor soul has their AC go out in the 96-degree Tennessee summer heat, but Henry makes sure they are served. He is, by all standards, a good man. He is, by all standards, what makes America great.
Henry and I are friends, and so he asked me some financial questions last year. I learned in the process that his personal taxable income last year was $328,000. I smiled with pride for this 70-hour a week guy because he is living the dream.
At the stop light that evening, I also thought of another guy I know—and that is where the anger flash came from. We will call him John. While John does not have the same drive Henry has, I can say that he, too, is a good man.
John also graduated from high school and did not attend a big-name university. He went to work at a local factory 15 years ago. When 5:00pm comes around, John has probably already made it to his car in the parking lot. He comes in 5 minutes late, takes frequent breaks, and leaves 5 minutes early. However, to his credit, he is steady and works hard.
Over the years, due to his steadiness and seniority, he has worked his way up to about $75,000 per year in that same factory. He seldom misses his kid’s ballgames, but
most nights you will find him in front of the TV where he has become an expert on “American Idol,” “The Biggest Loser,” and who got thrown off the island. When he is not in front of the TV, he spends a LOT of time and money bass fishing on our local lake. He never works over 40 hours a week and hasn’t read a non-fiction book since high school.
This is America, and there is nothing wrong with either set of choices. Nothing wrong, that is, until the politicians and socialists get involved ...
I have seen several elitist people on the talking-head channels make the statement lately that people making over $250,000 per year have a “moral imperative” to pay more in taxes to take care of the country’s problems. This is not only infuriating—it is economically, spiritually, and morally crazy!
Where in the world do these twits get off saying that Henry should be punished for his diligence? If you are John, where do you get off trying to take Henry’s hard-earned money away from him in the name of your misguided “fairness”? If you want to sit on the lake, drink beer, scratch your butt, and bass fish, that is perfectly fine with me. I am not against any of those activities and have engaged in some of them myself at one time or another. But you HAVE NO RIGHT to talk about “moral imperatives” about what other people have earned due to their diligence. That money is not yours! You want some money? Go earn some! Get up, leave the cave, kill something, and drag it home.
We are in a dangerous place in our country today. A segment of our population has decided that it is the government’s job to provide all of their protection, provision, and prosperity. This segment has figured out that government doesn’t have the money to give them everything they want, so somebody else has to pay for it. That is how the “politics of envy” was born. “Tax the rich” has become the mantra of the left, and this political season it has been falsely dubbed a “moral imperative.”
Ninety percent of America’s millionaires are first-generation rich. They are Henry. To tax them because you think it is a “moral imperative” is legalizing governmental theft from our brightest, most charitable, and most productive citizens.
If I can get a law passed that says you must surrender all your cars to the government because it is the “moral imperative” of anyone who owns cars to support the latest governmental program, that would be a violation of private property rights and simply morally wrong. This new “moral imperative” to redistribute wealth is no different from that. It’s the SAME THING!
Please, America, re-think the politics of envy! You are sowing the seeds of our destruction when you punish the Henrys of our culture.
If you think taxing the populace to support government programs is the best way—and I don’t—then at least tax every single person the same! There are very few Henrys out here who would squawk much about paying a set percentage of their income—if everyone else did, too. But this idea of some butt-scratching bass fisherman saying government should tax his neighbor and not him—just because his neighbor has succeeded—must stop.
So the next time an elitist media talking-head starts telling you it is the moral imperative of our culture to tax my friend Henry, change the channel.
The next time you see someone wealthy who feels guilty and is preaching the politics of envy, change the channel.
The next time you see some celebrity who feels guilt over their income preaching socialism, change the channel.
And the next time you run into a misguided, butt-scratching bass fisherman who says the evil rich people in our culture should have their private property confiscated because that is fair… well just shake your head walk away—and make sure to vote against his candidate. If he and his type win, God help America.

JWilson
06-29-2008, 05:24 AM
I saw the link to that a few days ago, but hadn't had time to listen. I can imagine he gets pretty fired up.

dogtag
06-29-2008, 06:45 AM
Are people just waking up to this?
My Wifie and I have a small business and employ 29 folks.
We are painfully aware of this States tax structure.
We live in Washington State where the tax rates are structured to choke the life out of small business.
I'm only 64 and very able to continue working but do not.
After looking at our combined income we discovered that I was paying
100 percent of my income in taxes.
After quiting my job our gross income went down, putting us in a different tax bracket but our DISPOSABLE income went up.
We are also unable to increase the wages of our dedicated employees as the business can't afford to do it without going under but yet their needs to purchase fuel and food for their families are going up.

Not this year, but soon, we will be forced to close our doors.
We have put this off a bit by laying off part of our staff.
Now all of our producers can live off the Government and the other
business owners who haven't yet gone under.

My Wife and I will be fine as we have salted away much of our savings in different offshore banks and converted much of it to precious metals. I'm not sure what other people will do to stay afloat.
Let's just call it like it is...... It's called Communisim. It's being sold
to us all under different names and lables but that's what it is.
I agree with this assessment 100 percent. I've personally experienced the distain and disgust of those in the community against people that make a higher than average income.
It is the same disgust that is normally reserved for criminals.

I look forward to the day that our business is closed and when our only income will be our savings and our Social Security. Then we will become accepted members of our community again.
I can't help but be bitter.

69Pony
06-30-2008, 05:14 AM
recently, the wife and I (we're DINKS) both received raises plus she was given an extra something for her skills and I received a decent bonus. So we were feeling pretty good. Then we realized we are now in the next tax bracket and the raises aren't all that great anymore. So that approximate 12% increase for the hard hours/increased responsibility came in around 3%. Lovely.....

Why should we be penalized for attending HS and graduating, going to 4 year colleges and earning degrees in Health Sciences and Computer Sciences, attending hundreds of seminars and conferences to hone our skills, take extra classes and earn several professional industy degrees (CCNA, MCSE, CCNP CNE, PMP). And at the end of the day I get the priveledge of paying more taxes then the slug down the street with no drive or experience.

This county has it totally wrong. We should give a break to those that DO pay their mortgage not those that foreclose. We should give a rebate to those that pay the MOST in taxes not the least. This country awards the slackers of the nation and punishes those that finance it's survival.


This is a VERY simple way to understand the tax laws.

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every
day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If
they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something
like this.

The first four men-the poorest-would pay nothing; the fifth would pay
$1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth
$18, and the tenth man-the richest-would pay $59.
That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant
every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement - until one day,
the owner threw them a curve (in tax language- a tax cut).
"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce
the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost
$80.00.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So
the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But
what about the other six - the paying customers? How could they divvy up
the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"
The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and The sixth
man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner
suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the
same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh
paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man
with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was
better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.
But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man, but he,
pointing to the tenth. "But he got $7!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed
the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar too, It's unfair that he got seven
times more than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man, "Why should he get $7 back when
I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!." "Wait a minute," yelled
the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system
exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he
didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But
when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what
was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the
bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how
the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.
Where would that leave the rest? Unfortunately, most taxing authorities
anywhere cannot seem to grasp this rather straightforward logic!

dogtag
06-30-2008, 08:33 AM
I resemble that remark.....https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/images/editor/smilie.gif

I just did a quick calculation and my dinner party guests divide up 1.52 mil every year for their hard earned efforts.
Most are pretty talented and will find something else but the taxes paid by the business will be gone. I know it's a drop in the bucket Nation wide but, still, it's gone.
I know I'm not as insulated as I seem to think I am. I know they can still raise my property taxes and the tax on the food and energy I use but that's an even smaller drop in the bucket.
I worry for my Country.....

jackfrost
06-30-2008, 12:02 PM
http://fairtax.org

trapin
06-30-2008, 07:44 PM
Geez. This whole country is going to sh*t.