Who runs no inner fenders? sort of a poll I guess..

[BritishGreen68]

I bagged my 68 camaro but it wont go NEARLY low enough in the front before the tires hit the inner fenders. I Thought about hacking them up and/or fabbing something taller for clearance but Im not sure how well that would work out in a camaro. Ideas? With them out it would lay the crossmember, with them in it is about 5" away from that. Just for the record it's got Slam Specialties RE6's and Heidt's dropped spindles..
Pics are sweet too!



thanks!
Chris

[Chad-1stGen]

I think ProdigyCutoms makes an inner fender with more clearance. Designed for larger tires but might help in this scenario?

[Steve1968LS2]

I couldn't imagine NOT running inner fenders, what a mess that would be.

Check with prodigy or modify the stockers. Then again my car is very low, I'm running stock inners and I will have 10" wide rims and 275 tires.

[protour73]

I couldn't imagine NOT running inner fenders, what a mess that would be.

Check with prodigy or modify the stockers. Then again my car is very low, I'm running stock inners and I will have 10" wide rims and 275 tires.

I wouldn't want the mess to clean either!! BUT, you have to also remember that the inner fenders are really a structural part of the front end, as well as keeping the road grime out of the engine compartment!!

[Damn True]

...and if you run stickier tires you will chuck a lot of road debris up against whatever is near the tire. With no inner fenders you'll eventually damage the fender and paint from stuff whacking and denting the fender from the inside.

[BritishGreen68]

Hmm yes this is all true. I guess it comes down to correct offset and accurate measurements. Im trying to figure a way to narrow the front track a little bit right now. Looking at the Fatman narrowed brake kit and/or narrowed control arms to try and get the tire off the fender lip..

[69LT1Nova]

Yep, I'm going to run the stock wheel wells. I live in the Great Northwet, what a mess! I still need to figure out what size/BS wheels to go with so that it plays nice with the wheel wells.

[DLinson]

I have a 62 Nova and I don't have inner fenders. I made a full frame with a 14 point cage so I don't need them for rigidity. I also wanted to be able to see of the cutsom suspension, frame, etc so I decided not to go with inner fenders. Not such a good idea now. I've driven it in the rain several times and even a muddy gravel parking lot after a downpour. It wasn't pretty under the hood. It usually takes about 1 1/2 to 2 house to wash the engine bay and polish the aluminum. I may design and fabricate some inner fenders this winter. I also coated the insides of the fenders with Lizard skin so it will eliminate the rocks from damaging the underside of the fenders and creating dents. 62 to 67 Novas, Mustangs, Cougars, don't have the inner fender extending to the outer fender to protect the fenders anyway.

Here's a picture of my Nova's engine bay. This is a picture before I finished it. I wish I would have taken a picture after my drive up to Indy in the rain two weeks ago, what a mess.

Dennis

[rocketman]

It will rock chip everything not having them, plus the rain will everywhere. it needs some sorta liner

[LMDGUY]

you need to have inner fenders.. I had no fenders in a mini truck in the 90's and it sucked!

[XLexusTech]

waiting for someone to make these out of carbon or glass for a gen 1 fbody

[BritishGreen68]

hmmmmmm Carbon.......:naughty:

[Tyler Beauregard]

Anvil Auto is in the middle of R&D of carbon inner fenders for 1st gens. Call him and let him know how much you want them, and maybe speed up the process.

Tyler

Here is cool 68 that has some fabricated inner fenders. I plan on doing something similar.
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27598&page=2&highlight=convertible+camaro

[96Z28SS]

How big of a wheel are you trying to stuff into the fender?

[GBodyGMachine]

I dont run inner fenders. Makes the engine look small, and you can see all the trick suspension.

[JMarsa]

I've posted about this before...They are critical on Novas and Camaros to brace the subframe and the front clip. If you have ever picked up a fender with and without the inner fender you know how flimsy it is.

Unless you had additional bracing, I don't see how a composite set would provide the strength.

--JMarsa

[BritishGreen68]

Anvil Auto is in the middle of R&D of carbon inner fenders for 1st gens. Call him and let him know how much you want them, and maybe speed up the process.

Tyler

Here is cool 68 that has some fabricated inner fenders. I plan on doing something similar.
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27598&page=2&highlight=convertible+camaro

Irony! A British Green 68 camaro. Mine is just not a vert... Anyway I love the inner fenders in it I never noticed those before.. Im planning on 18's. It doesnt have very much clearance right now with the 235-60-15's that are on it. im looking at narrowed control arms and the Fatman narrow front brake kit. I think I'll probably pick up the brake setup which will pull the wheels in 1 3/4" per side over OEM disc brakes, and then figure out what clearance I need from there. Was looking at subframes a little bit but I just can't pull of 4 grand right now...

[victionone]

waiting for someone to make these out of carbon or glass for a gen 1 fbody

Prodigy makes them in glass...

[XLexusTech]

Prodigy makes them in glass...

I saw they made a set for Project empty nest. I am not sure if these were intended for show cars or cars that will get beaten on a weekly basis.
Frank?

[LowBuckX]

No fender wells well over 5000 miles with out them no issues. I added camaro fender braces and have no rigidity problems. Even with my fat arse leaning on them working on this and that. I have a glass hood.

[BritishGreen68]

No fender wells well over 5000 miles with out them no issues. I added camaro fender braces and have no rigidity problems. Even with my fat arse leaning on them working on this and that. I have a glass hood.

Camaro? Pics?

[ZuperZport]

I had to go custom on the inner fenders to get the most room.

Worth the effort if you need to maximize wheel/tire clearance.

The open space towards the front will be occupied by mesh wire & brake-cooling-ductwork.


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[96Z28SS]

what you could do is, get a set of trailer fenders and weld them to the fender and make it a one piece deal. Sort of like how they did this. That way when you drop it with the wheels straight the wheel fits right up into it.

Also do you have a friend with a black nova? I'm his neighbor and i have a 69 camaro

[Scott Parkhurst]

I don't have any now, but I intend to butcher up a set to fit around everything. I haven't put too many miles on the car yet, so it doesn't suck at this time. However...I know it will if I don't do something.

I just hate to cover up all that cool SC&C and ATS stuff!

~SP~

[Yelcamino]

I don't have any now, but I intend to butcher up a set to fit around everything. I haven't put too many miles on the car yet, so it doesn't suck at this time. However...I know it will if I don't do something.

I just hate to cover up all that cool SC&C and ATS stuff!

~SP~

Scott, you can do what I did... I removed the inner fender wells and using my "skilled" eyes, I drew a circular line on the fender well with a sharpie. Then I used a jig saw to cut the opening larger which gives the effect of no fender wells, but retains the majority of the protection fender wells offer. If you look at my Chevelle in my FQuick garage you can see some of what I'm talking about.

When I get home I'll take a couple of better pictures of what I've done and post them. Oh, and yes it's nice to not only be able to see all of the SC&C/ATS parts, it makes it a lot easier to make adjustments!

[BritishGreen68]

what you could do is, get a set of trailer fenders and weld them to the fender and make it a one piece deal. Sort of like how they did this. That way when you drop it with the wheels straight the wheel fits right up into it.

Also do you have a friend with a black nova? I'm his neighbor and i have a 69 camaro

Yep that's me.. I post pics of it whenever possible lol.. Im in the process of bagging my camaro (obviously)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/08/DSCN1506-1.jpg
I like the idea of trimming them out. i think ill probably end up cutting them just where the tire rubs and leaving the rest..
heres a picture of my car about a year after I got it. It has since been basically restored..
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/06/File0014-1.jpg
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[Yelcamino]

Here's what I cut out...
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Here's the passenger side...
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And here's the driver side...
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[Damn True]

Interesting.

[BritishGreen68]

thats cool^^^^ what about the fender lip/wheel opening side? that is where mine is hitting on the tire the most at the moment.

[LowBuckX]

I( realy like the cut stock wells that some ojne posted.. may need to investigate that further. Wish I didnt toss my stockers... They where rusted out but all that woulda been cut out If I did it that way..


Camaro? Pics?

72 Nova with gen 1 braces...

Much has changed since this pic but here they are.

[Yelcamino]

thats cool^^^^ what about the fender lip/wheel opening side? that is where mine is hitting on the tire the most at the moment.

My wheels are offset enough to the inside so that the tires don't come close to the wheel opening side. My Chevelle sits pretty low and I've still got plenty of room for wheel movement in all directions.

Maybe you could borrow some wheels with different offsets to see if it would make any difference. As little as another 1/4 inch to the inside might be all you need.

[CraigMorrison]

waiting for someone to make these out of carbon or glass for a gen 1 fbody

If you do this, here's a little trick- glue neoprene on the inside of the fender well. It will prevent debris from cracking or breaking the glass or carbon. We did this on the Vette and it worked like a champ, and we got this tip from a local resto shop that does it with all the 7 figure Ferraris that see track time to prevent damage to the aluminum bodies.

Not only do inner fenders keep things clean in the engine compartment, it also makes the car look finished.

[Yelcamino]

Not only do inner fenders keep things clean in the engine compartment, it also makes the car look finished.

That's one of the reasons I chose to trim mine instead of just leaving them out.

Other reasons are because the way I did it, all of the structural mounting points are still being used, it should keep most of the road grime out, and it gives me plenty of access to the suspension components.

[BritishGreen68]

Bump

[Draginutz]

Off subject slightly...Any more info or links to your buddys nova? My Jaw is still currently resting on the floor. And my $.02 the trailer fender idea looks pretty different/good.

[Scott Parkhurst]

Herb's deal is the way to go. I appreciate the idea with the trailer fenders but Im sorry- I hate the way it looks.

I'll modify a set of stockers or plastic reproductions and go from there. Thanks guys.

[TonyHuntimer]

I don't have inner fender wells on my 68 Camaro Daily driver. I've never had a problem with paint chips...BUT...I've never run sticky tires and I know the minute I do, it will get all screwed up. I also want to build fenderwells. I just can't run stock ones. The dirt isn't bad, but it could just be the area I live in.

Old picture:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/02/120300eng2small-1.jpg

The inner fender wells do add a lof of structural rigidity. Without them the fenders aren't going to buckle by laying on them. If you run without the rigidity of the stock inner fenderwells, you really need braces between the firewall and the frame.

[Jim Nilsen]

I keep telling myself that if I keep looking at new cars or trucks one day I will find the ones with the right diameter and width an enough material to notch out what you need to.

There has to be a set somewhere that is close enough so let's all start looking.

I'm carrying a tape measure with me and searching the parking lots until I find them or someone make them at a reasonable price or I will just make my own.

This is a problem long overdue for a solution and we need to get it over with.

[Payton King]

line-x'd inside the fender and made the wells out of aluminum

[JEFFTATE]

I like this thread !
Interesting stuff here ..

[chevnut55]

i wanted to make a set ,but my car looks better without.it shows off the huge tires and everything else that looks cool.and its easy to work on that way.

[daredvl22]

I had to go custom on the inner fenders to get the most room.

Worth the effort if you need to maximize wheel/tire clearance.

The open space towards the front will be occupied by mesh wire & brake-cooling-ductwork.


https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/06/DSCN1541-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/06/DSCN1540-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/06/DSCN0755-1.jpg

ZuperZport, I really like this set-up. I haven't seen this before. I hope you don't mind, I may borrow your idea. Very cool.

[crazyfireman]

I trimmed mine on my 67, worked great and left enough to get the job done. This picture shows where I trimmed the front just prior to cleaning the cut with a dremmel tool and adding pinch molding just in case. I did the same on thne rear. Look just above the battery and you will see.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/01/67014-1.jpg

[ZuperZport]

ZuperZport, I really like this set-up. I haven't seen this before. I hope you don't mind, I may borrow your idea. Very cool.


No worries DareDevil!!! :) Go for it!!!

I would be happy if every car on the road was the same as mine!!! Seriously!! Would beat looking at all the jelly-bean cars out there today!

Keep us posted on your Camaro progress!

[thetoystore]

^^^ever think that you'll have to take your a arms off?

[Aschle]

I ran without them for about 2-3 years on my 57' Chevy.... The engine compartment was always a mess !!!

[ZuperZport]

^^^ever think that you'll have to take your a arms off?


If you are referring to my set up, while it looks tight in the pictures of the unpainted chassis, there is actually plenty of room to bolt and un-bolt the A-Arms.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/07/DSCN3368-1.jpg

[chevnut55]

i have driven my camaro with stick tires built to a show car level for the last 2 years and had no problems,very little mess..but i dont drive on dirt roads or snow either. if you want wheel covers why not go the aluminum pro street style? it was my plan but it looks so cool with the huge meats on each side of the nasty small block...