Cragar Wheels ripped me off !!!

[DRJDVM's '69]

Well, not really :)

Check out page 75 in the August 2008 Chevy High Performance..... thats my car in their ad !!!! :D

That picture was submitted to PHR a couple of years ago for their photo contest and got a 2 page spread in the "winning photos" issue Nov 2006 pages 68-69. I got a call from a friend that though that it was my car in the ad. I thought for sure it must be another red and white striped '69, so I though no way.... then I saw the issue and there is no doubt its my car but they photoshopped Cragar wheels on to it and changed the background to a street scene. We pulled out the PHR issue to be sure and its dead on...same reflections etc etc...

Dont get me wrong.... I'm not mad they used the photo.... I just hope I can get some "swag" out of it...maybe a poster or something of the layout. For the photo contest submit, I never signed any release, but I assume it was implied when we sent them in that PHR could do whatever they wanted with them. I just had no idea that PHR could sell or give them to companies to use in their ads...thats kinda "sketchy" to me, but oh well.....

Just another magazine spot for the scrapbook:) Even if its not with my real wheels

Looks like its on thier website and there are 2 version too !!

http://www.cragarwheel.com/current_ads.html

[bigvegan]

Can you throw up the photo you submitted to PHR?

[class67]

I think that I would feel the same as you....flattered and bothered at the same time! I'd try to talk to someone to just find out what transpired. Kinda cool though!!

[DRJDVM's '69]

Heres the original mag spread...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/06/P10100011-1.jpg

Heres the ad....
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/06/ad27-1.jpg

Look at the reflections etc and they are exactly the same....just different wheels and background. In the Sepia version the website they kept the orignal backgorund

[TonyL]

they didn't even bother to rotate the image of the wheel to get the lip right. The perspective is way off. I HATE wheel ads with chopped cars in them. Is is so hard to find someone with a car to model your wheels??

[Chad-1stGen]

I'd be upset

[Young Gun]

on this one they use the same background as yours...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

it would irritate me a bit...

[Fesler built]

Hey guys being a photographer for the magazines you need to understand that when you had your car shot for the PHR issue you release all rights for the pictures so they can do what they want for ever. There is no date to what they can do unless you put it in the contract. It sucks but that comes with being in the magazine.

If you were to call the wheel company they might send you something but for the ad they probably already paid something for it to the mag.

Just be happy more ink for you cars, they do it to our cars all the time.

[class67]

Hey guys being a photographer for the magazines you need to understand that when you had your car shot for the PHR issue you release all rights for the pictures so they can do what they want for ever. There is no date to what they can do unless you put it in the contract. It sucks but that comes with being in the magazine.

If you were to call the wheel company they might send you something but for the ad they probably already paid something for it to the mag.

Just be happy more ink for you cars, they do it to our cars all the time.


I both understand and respect that!....Hell, I'd be happy with any ink...lol

[bigvegan]

Cragar may have the rights to the photo, but still, what an embarrassment for Cragar.

When they photoshop their rims onto a different car, it's almost like they're saying they couldn't find any cool cars that CHOSE to use Cragar, which is hardly a bonus for their brand, and kind of insulting to Cragar buyers.

[TonyL]

Cragar may have the rights to the photo, but still, what an embarrassment for Cragar.

When they photoshop their rims onto a different car, it's almost like they're saying they couldn't find any cool cars that CHOSE to use Cragar, which is hardly a bonus for their brand, and kind of insulting to Cragar buyers.

Well said. That's exactly how I percieve it. Worse even, is that If it were my car, I'd be PISSED that someone shopped cheap rims onto my car and then printed it.

For me, the rims make the car, and many of us wouldn't be caught dead with crager SSes on our cars. That they went behind the car owner's back and put them there anyway speaks volumes about that wheel's place in the market.

Stop trying to revive that wheel Crager. No one is buying it.

[Yelcamino]

Did you read the text in the ad?

"Get the old school look on your Ford with a set of Crager S/S Performance Series wheels."

They could've at least photoshopped a Mustang or maybe change the text! :lmao:

[TonyL]

Did you read the text in the ad?

"Get the old school look on your Ford with a set of Crager S/S Performance Series wheels."

They could've at least photoshopped a Mustang or maybe change the text! :lmao:


WOW. Epic FAIL.

[DRJDVM's '69]

The picture wasnt taken by a professional photographer for a photoshoot.....it was taken by a friend of mine to be entered in a "readers submitted photoshoot contest" for PHR. It was not taken by a hired PHR photographer....it was taken by my friend

If it was taken by a pro, then he has every right to do whatever he wants with it...but it wasnt. It was taken by an amateur and submitted to a contest for amateurs....no one in the deal got any $$$ out of it and no one signed any type of release........

Since we submitted it to Primedia for PHR, then as far as I'm concerned PHR/Primedia is welcome to publish it in their mag, but not give it to a wheel company to use in their ads whenever they want without my knowledge or permission. Especially if they got any $$ in the deal.

I'm alittle annoyed but not mad..... I'm gonna see what Cragar has to say when I contact them. If they're willing to kicks something my way (or my friends way since he took the pix), then its all good....

Like Fesler said..its free exposure, so its not that big of a deal...

Yes the website ad says Ford but the one in the mag says Chevy thank god :)

[Steve1968LS2]

Where did they get the picture??? I didn't give it to them. I'll ask Johnny but it's not something he would normally do.

Like I said, didn't get it from me. I will ask around tomorrow.

Maybe you could spin this for a free set of wheels? Should I call Cragar? lol

[Steve1968LS2]

I saw the ad to and thought it was your car... but then said "but it's the wrong wheels" and just thought it was a car painted like yours.

But, that is for sure the same picture.

[StRacerDuke]

You can push on Crager a little for this one if you want so free stuff out of them. They pushed the boundry when they did the photoshop without permission.

On another note, who buy's Crager's now days? I mean really, who?

[Steve1968LS2]

Is Crager owned by Weld?

[Memphis]

^Weld is owned by American Racing I believe and I don't think they own Crager.

[bwhinnen]

The picture wasnt taken by a professional photographer for a photoshoot.....it was taken by a friend of mine to be entered in a "readers submitted photoshoot contest" for PHR. It was not taken by a hired PHR photographer....it was taken by my friend

If it was taken by a pro, then he has every right to do whatever he wants with it...but it wasnt. It was taken by an amateur and submitted to a contest for amateurs....no one in the deal got any $$$ out of it and no one signed any type of release........

Since we submitted it to Primedia for PHR, then as far as I'm concerned PHR/Primedia is welcome to publish it in their mag, but not give it to a wheel company to use in their ads whenever they want without my knowledge or permission. Especially if they got any $$ in the deal.

I'm alittle annoyed but not mad..... I'm gonna see what Cragar has to say when I contact them. If they're willing to kicks something my way (or my friends way since he took the pix), then its all good....

Like Fesler said..its free exposure, so its not that big of a deal...

Yes the website ad says Ford but the one in the mag says Chevy thank god :)

While I don't think it entirely fair or correct for them to use the photo the only thing I'd check are the Terms and Conditions when you submitted the photo, they would have said what rights you give up to the photo when you submit it for the readers rides section. The submission of the photo is the signing of the release or contract in this case.

If in fact they didn't receive the photo from Primedia / PHR or one of its subsidiary companies and the T&C's said only Primedia and its subsidiaries were allowed to use it you have a very good case against Cragar... There are very strict rules about the photographers rights to an image that is used commercially in any part of the world.

Good luck, but it does hinge on a) where they got the photo and b) what the T&C's were when you submitted to Primedia / PHR.

Cheers
Brett

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm sure there's some "all photos submitted become the property of Primedia... etc" deal.

Still, I've never had an advertiser ask me for an image (other than my own car). They've asked for cars, but I don't remember pictures.

Like I said, I will check tomorrow.

[Steve1968LS2]

^Weld is owned by American Racing I believe and I don't think they own Crager.

The only reason I ask is that Weld was looking for a SEMA PT car and I might have sent them a pic of the car. I don't remember if it was that picture (I doubt I would choose that one) and I wouldn't have sent high res since it clogs my email.

Of course they could get it straight from the art department without asking anyone on the editorial side. Right now it's a mystery to me. :shrug:

[cmraman]

Hey guys being a photographer for the magazines you need to understand that when you had your car shot for the PHR issue you release all rights for the pictures so they can do what they want for ever. There is no date to what they can do unless you put it in the contract. It sucks but that comes with being in the magazine.

If you were to call the wheel company they might send you something but for the ad they probably already paid something for it to the mag.

Just be happy more ink for you cars, they do it to our cars all the time.
NO that is not true. I too shoot for many titles. They only can use images for their uses. YOU, the photographer own all the rights to the images. The magazine LICENSES this images. I would contact Craggier and make sure they compensate you. I have many problems with this over the last year. I have to contact companies on this before and have been successful.

[DRJDVM's '69]

So say Cragar says "we'll compensate you"....what do you think would be fair ??

[bwhinnen]

Depends on a) how big the ad is and b) what the distribution is and c) what sort of media it is in...

Ballparks can be from $250 - $2500 for use in a single ad campaign (depending on the size, the media it is going in and the expected circulation). It really depends and it is the photographer that should be asking, not the owner of the car ;)

[Young Gun]

10k...mental anguish,,,

[muthstryker]

10k...mental anguish,,,

and a set of wheels to help ease the pain

[DRJDVM's '69]

Well I found where it came from....my friend posted some of his pix on Shutterstock.com..... you can dowload images for next to nothing if you subscribe to them..... and then you can use them pretty much however you want...so I doubt anymore $$ is coming our way :) Oh well...

I'd still take a free set of rims....but I dont really like any of their stuff......:D

Guess I could sell it off...

[buickfunnycar.com]

That is pretty wild...I'm not sure how I'd feel.
After my CHP photoshoot(s),I've had my car(s) appear on their website and on the cover of automotive catalogs I don't even subscribe to but I chalk that up to part & parcel of being in the game...not quite sure what you can do about it though...:ssst:

[cmraman]

So say Cragar says "we'll compensate you"....what do you think would be fair ??
at least 250.00

[cmraman]

Well I found where it came from....my friend posted some of his pix on Shutterstock.com..... you can dowload images for next to nothing if you subscribe to them..... and then you can use them pretty much however you want...so I doubt anymore $$ is coming our way :) Oh well...

I'd still take a free set of rims....but I dont really like any of their stuff......:D

Guess I could sell it off...
If you did not give permission for your "friend" to post your car on Shutterstock, I would make him take it down. and I still would contact Cragar. These frickin' companies think that they can take what efver image they want. My time and my overhead is worth something. This is the problem with digital. Images are too easy to steal.

[68Formula]

Well someone said earlier the pictures belong to the photographer. However, if he really is a friend I am sure he would take it down.

The damage is already done though. Next your car will be popping up on eBay with a $10,000 Buy it Now, just send the money Western Union.

[Memphis]

Isn't what they did a violation of both of these terms of agreement.
(may not blah blah ...)
14.
Use an Image marked "Editorial Use Only" for commercial purposes. If an Image is marked, "Editorial Use Only", additional permissions may be required for commercial use. Shutterstock does not provide such permissions.
15.
Use any Image (in whole or in part) as a trademark, service mark, logo, or other indication of origin, or as part thereof , or to otherwise endorse or imply the endorsement of any goods and/or services.



The pic your friend took that they used is marked for editorial use only.
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-2177725-artistic-shot-of-camaro-muscle-car-at-twilight-in-industrial-background.html

[blackbeast]

submit the story to www.consumerist.com or it's car oriented sister site www.jalopnik.com

I just want to know what cragar's story is for photoshopping the wheels instead of using a real picture. interesting.

[Memphis]

^Nice suggestion, one of their guys has a similar story of how took pics of a Flying Spur for the site and Renntech was using it in their ad without permission.

[Steve1968LS2]

Was there an implied appology in here for saying that PHR/Primedia sold or gave away the image to Cragar? Maybe I missed it. ;)

Once stuff hits the net there's no control over it. Usually it's all low-res junk that print companies can't use. Post it on a site in juicy high-res and you just saved some marketing guy a stack of green since they don't have to pay someone to take the image.

[Tony_SS]

Was there an implied appology in here for saying that PHR/Primedia sold or gave away the image to Cragar? Maybe I missed it. ;)

Once stuff hits the net there's no control over it. Usually it's all low-res junk that print companies can't use. Post it on a site in juicy high-res and you just saved some marketing guy a stack of green since they don't have to pay someone to take the image.

I wouldn't guess that anyone at PHR or any other rag would ever do that, I'd assume they would know better than to give out photos that they didn't take, especially for commercial use.

Shame on Cragar for doing that though... what they did was in fact steal the image for their own usage. Available online or not, I believe the photographer still has rights, unless you give those up when the pics were uploaded to that photosharing site. But that's still arguable.

I would contact Cragar's marketing department and still demand some sort of compensation. Stock photos usually run in the range of $500 - $3000 depending on their intended use.

[DRJDVM's '69]

Like I said in my first post, I was wasnt mad at all and was flattered....then you guys got me all fired up that I got ripped off !!!! :) Its all your guys faults !!!!

Steve....I didnt meant to make accusuations that Primedia/PHR sold my stuff. That was not my intention. I know you wouldnt do that on purpose, but who knows where that digital image gets shuffled and shown around and who could get ahold of it. I was more curious about how they got it. My apologies for any hurt feelings.

I apologize to all the people at Primedia and PHR ....... :)

As for my friend posting it.... I have absolutely no problem with him posting it and getting paid for the image (even though its next to nothing on Shutterstock.com). Thats not a problem for me at all. He's a good friend and takes great pictures. I just didnt know he had posted that particular image. He has quite a few of my car, but most of them we never submitted to PHR etc, so thats why I though it came from Primedia/PHR. As for the compensation and them altering the image and using it in an ad....thats up to him if he wants to make a stink about it.

So now I'm back to being flattered that they used my car eventhough they changed the rims... I dont really care. Hopefully I can get some commercial swag/posters etc, but I'm cool with them using it.

[Steve1968LS2]

I was just giving you a hard time Ned.. :yes:

To be honest the theory of "Primedia gave it to Cragar" made the most sense at first, except we're not that organized.

When this happens to me I get a copy of the ad and put it in the scrapbook. Any exposure is good exposer unless it involves a goat.

[Yelcamino]

When this happens to me I get a copy of the ad and put it in the scrapbook. Any exposure is good exposure unless it involves a goat.

Yeah, but wouldn't that depend on what the goat is doing? :hmm:

[paul67]

Surely its false advertising those wheels as it shows a car with a set of wheels, now if some went a bought a set of those wheels they might not fit, ie they might not do off set or size that would fit and look like that on that type car yet the add shows there suppose to fit.

[Part Time]

Well said. That's exactly how I percieve it. Worse even, is that If it were my car, I'd be PISSED that someone shopped cheap rims onto my car and then printed it.

For me, the rims make the car, and many of us wouldn't be caught dead with crager SSes on our cars. That they went behind the car owner's back and put them there anyway speaks volumes about that wheel's place in the market.

Stop trying to revive that wheel Crager. No one is buying it.

What are implying about someone that would run a cragar ss on their car?

[Memphis]

If I were your friend I would do something since they violated the terms of agreement thing.

[TonyL]

What are implying about someone that would run a cragar ss on their car?

What am I implying? That those who chose to run crager SSes on thier cars are out of touch with today's wheel styles. That they are dated. That they exude a "who gives a crap. They're just wheels" attitude about the guys who run them.
They also usually look like an afterthought. Wheels are, to me, the most important part of a car's personality. They make or brake a car. Putting cragers on a car instantly pigeonholes it.

Remember the "pet peeves" thread? Crager SS rims on newly built cars are one of my worst. They (talking about the 15 inch variety ones here.) belong on "disco" cars with jacked up back suspension, glasspacks and stickers all over the car.

Sorry if my opinion offends. But it's my opinion, and I stand buy it.

/Oh, and I should state for the record that my first car, a 1969 camaro RS/SS my dad bought me when I was 14 had real, original Cragar SSes on it. I thought it was cool then.

[Tony_SS]

So I did some poking around on Shutterstock and Cragar had to pay for that image, so you can't blame them, except for that horrible hack job the designer did in Photoshop.

Here's the link to purchase the image:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-2177725-artistic-shot-of-camaro-muscle-car-at-twilight-in-industrial-background.html

And here who has the copyright:

Copyright:
Kanwarjit Singh Boparai

Also noted:

Release information:
Editorial Use Only
The use of this image may require additional rights

Was that the guy who took the photos? If not, he got ahold of them somehow, or your buddy sold them.

Either way, its your car, be proud of it - Looks very nice!

[bobbaganoosh]

It's been awhile since I've been in the performance industry, but Cragar used to be owned by Unique. Don't know if they still are or not.

[Steve1968LS2]

So I did some poking around on Shutterstock and Cragar had to pay for that image, so you can't blame them, except for that horrible hack job the designer did in Photoshop.

Here's the link to purchase the image:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-2177725-artistic-shot-of-camaro-muscle-car-at-twilight-in-industrial-background.html

And here who has the copyright:

Copyright:
Kanwarjit Singh Boparai

Also noted:

Release information:
Editorial Use Only
The use of this image may require additional rights

Was that the guy who took the photos? If not, he got ahold of them somehow, or your buddy sold them.


Except it was used for commercial and not editorial... I didn't know I could buy images there. Might be good for stories.

Hey Ned, is that the name of the guy that shot the picture?

[LMDGUY]

^Weld is owned by American Racing I believe and I don't think they own Crager.

American Racing was just purchased by Wheel Pros. AM is no longer a dist. they are just a wheel line.

[TonyL]

wow. Type "camaro" into shutterstock and lots of pictures of your car shows up!

[Memphis]

So I did some poking around on Shutterstock and Cragar had to pay for that image, so you can't blame them, except for that horrible hack job the designer did in Photoshop.

Here's the link to purchase the image:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-2177725-artistic-shot-of-camaro-muscle-car-at-twilight-in-industrial-background.html

And here who has the copyright:

Copyright:
Kanwarjit Singh Boparai

Also noted:

Release information:
Editorial Use Only
The use of this image may require additional rights

Was that the guy who took the photos? If not, he got ahold of them somehow, or your buddy sold them.

Either way, its your car, be proud of it - Looks very nice!
Unless they got additional permissions I believe Crager broke both of these in the TOS.
14.
Use an Image marked "Editorial Use Only" for commercial purposes. If an Image is marked, "Editorial Use Only", additional permissions may be required for commercial use. Shutterstock does not provide such permissions.
15.
Use any Image (in whole or in part) as a trademark, service mark, logo, or other indication of origin, or as part thereof , or to otherwise endorse or imply the endorsement of any goods and/or services.

[Tony_SS]

Except it was used for commercial and not editorial... I didn't know I could buy images there. Might be good for stories.

Hey Ned, is that the name of the guy that shot the picture?

Yep.. Cragar did use the image outside of its limits, even though they paid for it, they are still liable - back to me shaming them! lol.

Actually, I just skimmed, but I think its only $250 for unlimited downloads for one month. Not too bad of a deal.

[DRJDVM's '69]

Yes thats the name of my friend that took them. He's the one that posted them and for all intensive purposes owns the rights to them. Like I said before...he's taken a ton of pix of my car... I just had no idea he posted that one since we sent it to PHR and it made the issue etc. I figured he would keep that one off limits, but its fine with me if he didnt restrict it.

Its up to him if he wants to make an issue with Cragar if they violated the terms on Shutterstock. I havent spoken with him about it yet since he's out of town right now.

I didnt read the whole terms pages on Shutterstock, but I had thought the deal was you paid a subscription and then could download as many pix as you want and them use them however you want. Maybe they stepped over the line......

[Part Time]

What am I implying? That those who chose to run crager SSes on thier cars are out of touch with today's wheel styles. That they are dated. That they exude a "who gives a crap. They're just wheels" attitude about the guys who run them.
They also usually look like an afterthought. Wheels are, to me, the most important part of a car's personality. They make or brake a car. Putting cragers on a car instantly pigeonholes it.

Remember the "pet peeves" thread? Crager SS rims on newly built cars are one of my worst. They (talking about the 15 inch variety ones here.) belong on "disco" cars with jacked up back suspension, glasspacks and stickers all over the car.

Sorry if my opinion offends. But it's my opinion, and I stand buy it.

/Oh, and I should state for the record that my first car, a 1969 camaro RS/SS my dad bought me when I was 14 had real, original Cragar SSes on it. I thought it was cool then.


Fair enough. In your opinion would the 17" Alloy version of the same wheel put a car in the same pigeonhole? Or does it depend on the car? Jeg's lists a 17X11 now. Thoughts?

[Twentyover]

Post deleted because I think it would only serve to piss off alot of people.

Except ALL wheels will look dated after a while. Why I don't care if anyone but me likes the Minilite replicas I'm putting on the Camaro, or the Halibrands on the elcamino

[TonyL]

Fair enough. In your opinion would the 17" Alloy version of the same wheel put a car in the same pigeonhole? Or does it depend on the car? Jeg's lists a 17X11 now. Thoughts?

My thoughts on the 17 inch version are that they qualify as a "nostalgia" wheel. bought for the purpose of paying homage to the originals and the cars that ran them. I respect that, actually. It's the cars running the 15 inchers that bug me. because you cannot tell when the car was built.

[TonyL]

Post deleted because I think it would only serve to piss off alot of people.

Except ALL wheels will look dated after a while. Why I don't care if anyone but me likes the Minilite replicas I'm putting on the Camaro, or the Halibrands on the elcamino

All wheels *will* look dated eventually, that's certainly true. Don't worry about pissing people off. Everyone has their own thing, their own idea, and that's what makes this hobby the funnest thing ever. There is no "right" way to build a car. Build it to please you. If someone else digs it, bonus. Right?

[bret]

Wheels are like clothes...without them we would all look pretty humble, some being more so than others. :) Wheels, like clothing, are strictly a matter of style and taste. They are all the same round configuration and all serve the same basic function. Sometimes I like my bellbottoms and my mullet...sometimes I like my overalls!

[Part Time]

My thoughts on the 17 inch version are that they qualify as a "nostalgia" wheel. bought for the purpose of paying homage to the originals and the cars that ran them. I respect that, actually. It's the cars running the 15 inchers that bug me. because you cannot tell when the car was built.

Okay..not to drag this out any further than necessary but how do you think a car would be recieved with the Alloy Cragar/Weld SS wheels if it had the rest of the "pro-touring" equipment. Assume that the size and back space was "nailed" and shod with 315 35's. Would these wheels hold up to a track day pounding or road trip any less than a Coys 5 spoke or ? I think Goodmark did a 73 ? camaro build and used these wheels, Granted the car was black with flames so one could argue that the paint scheme is dated but the car was pretty serious

Anyway. I realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion and that wheels are very subjective. I had another discussion about this wheel with another moderator here which was spurred by his similar view of the Cragar SS, which in the end was also the 15" cast/chrome version which he was referring to. Until they change the name of the Alloy version, no matter what the size, it is still basically a Cragar SS. So.... why the stereotype? There are guys here with Pinto's, Astro Van's, and VW bugs (though one is a serious piece) that have less stigma attached to them than anyone who dares use a Cragar SS and even consider calling their ride "pro-touring."

I was a little jacked up at first about your comment but I've come back down to earth. I am curious though as to why such a generally accepting "community" puts labels one thing, yet something else which could have the same lable attached goes with out mention. Whadya think?

Thanks.

[jenndon]

Some ad company did the same to mine. Looks like the same background too. I don't care but they took the ad for K&N and used it for Split-Fire plugs and now for the boxes for Hayden Trans coolers. Kinda cool to see your cars picture on boxes on the shelfs of ever auto parts store.

[TonyL]

why the stigma?

Good question. I guess because the wheels in question represent a heavier, chrome "knock off" of the torque thrust. a "poser" stigma has always been attached to them. That was the general consensus when they were in circulation in the 70s as much as I can recall. Since the Massive explosion in available choices in the aftermarket wheel market, choosing the old standby crager ss wheel seems to make less and less sense. Why then, is the TTII so popular? Homage to TransAm race cars.

[69rs]

I just want to know where to post a pic of my car for a company to use?!?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/06/IMG_0569-1.jpg

[Part Time]

Good question. I guess because the wheels in question represent a heavier, chrome "knock off" of the torque thrust. a "poser" stigma has always been attached to them. That was the general consensus when they were in circulation in the 70s as much as I can recall. Since the Massive explosion in available choices in the aftermarket wheel market, choosing the old standby crager ss wheel seems to make less and less sense. Why then, is the TTII so popular? Homage to TransAm race cars.

Good point. Didn't think of it in that light. The TTII's get a lot of bad press for being used to much but I'd have to agree that they are a better looking wheel and have a more respected history. Thanks.

[Twentyover]

.....
Why then, is the TTII so popular? Homage to TransAm race cars.

Except many, if not most Trans Am cars ran Minilites

http://www.vintagemotorsportphotography.com/servlet/the-TRANS-AM-RACE-CARS/Categories

[bnickel]

the cragar ss is not a chrome clone of a torq thrust wheel nor was it ever, it was introduced as a low cost chrome plated cast aluminum center/steel rim with another version one the 5 spoke theme. back in the 60's all aluminum wheels were really pretty expensive, costing about the same now as a low end all aluminum wheel does ~80-100 bucks or so whereas the cragars and other cast aluminum center/steel rims were quite a bit cheaper, in some cases by close to half that price. there were actually tons of clones of the Cragar SS from about 15 different wheel makers.

that said i'm not a proponent of the cragar SS in any size, my tastes are a little more european but none the less dating. i actually prefer the aluminunm mesh wheels of the 80's, which may or may not have roots in the pro-touring movement in general. i have a set of 15" Riken mesh wheels that have been on my 69 mustang GT and my old 70 cougar and will eventually be installed on the new 69 cougar project no matter how many people dislike them. will it make my car less PT or get me permanently banned from PT.com? possibly but i love those wheels and until someone makes an affordable 17" version i'll use these. i've found a few companies making them in 17" and larger sizes but they are well over $500 a wheel with some being over $1000 a wheel....no thanks, just ban me now.LOL

[shmoov69]

Personally, I don't think that SS's look too bad:dunno: .......And I CERTIANLY would not tell this dude that he is a shmuck for running them!!:box:

[BritishGreen68]

looks great to me
https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=24417&d=1214277594

[PRO 48 Fleetline]

I noticed this ad right away aswell and thought it was yours and reconginized the cheap photo shop work that they used!
And regardless of your submitting Crager has no liberty too take anything unless they own the mag company! to find justice in using your photo that is pure and simple BS.
I agree with you it a compliment to a point but not when there putting together an ad that is so poorly put together. With out your permission, Wow I think a call to your attorney would be in order!

[rogue]

With out your permission, Wow I think a call to your attorney would be in order!

^ Right there, everything thats wrong with america :hand:


Its a picture of his car, that his friend took, and sold the rights to. No big deal and definitely not worth calling an attorney over...

:bsjerk:

[Memphis]

^Well unless they got additional permissions from his friend they violated the agreement on that stock photo site.

[PRO 48 Fleetline]

To prove a point and drive home that point that you cant go the easy and cheap way out and decide to use a car that isnt even one oked by the owner i would be super pissed and this isnt the first time crager has done one of those cheap 1970's style chop in photo shop jobs on an awesome car kinda seems theres a reason there doing this cant find any of there own customers running the big diamter cragers hummmmmmm should tell you something right there.

[DRJDVM's '69]

Technically they violated the terms of the site they downloaded it from...... but it aint worth making a big deal over....... the guys from Cragar called me and they're gonna get me high res versions of the ads and some other basic free swag.... They dont make their own "in house" ad campaigns....they hire an outside company to do that.......I'm okay with it so its time to move on...

[Chevrolaine]

..I'm okay with it so its time to move on...
Best words of the whole thread!:jump:

[Young Gun]

post pics of the swag! i wanna see what you got hahha

[DRJDVM's '69]

The swag wont be much....some t-shirts and other Cragar junk probably....no rims :(

[MrQuick]

LOL like you need a new set of rims.....well I guess you do. Haaa haaaa