Two of the baddest

[69rs]

Wouldn't it be cool to see these two go head-to-head?

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Both are such awesome/nice/beautiful P/T cars, it's like pitting Superman against Mr. Incredible.
They both make me drool!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

that would be sick..

[Rubes]

east vs west...I see a shootout comming to RTTH:6gears:

[hotrdblder]

rupp will wimp out and be a no show,lol!!!!!!! no excuses, make this happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:poke:

[JEFFTATE]

That would be soooooo Cool !
We GOTTA ' get our own Roadcourse as well as Autocross for RTTH .
It would cost a good bit to each participant , but it would be worth it.

[TonyL]

Superman and Captain Marvel you mean.

behold.
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[MrQuick]

well....as you can see....total destruction! LOL

[Bill Howell]

We will have 1/2 of the equation here for RTTHs aready. Now all we need is a sponsor to get Penny here?????

[Chad-1stGen]

ha ha ha at that cartoon vid

[Iamtheonlyreal1]

Yeah that would be a cool show down...Definitely submit the video on here....

Hey Bill...In answer to you updating my 100,000 Dollar Camaro thread....Yeah, it is completed with a coupe of bugs to work out...I have Won my first Car show on the 17th of the month at the WinStar Casino Show...I have a couple of obligations to other shows in my area...But, I was two weeks late from my deadline...That isnt too bad..

The Car will go up for Auction after June 7th...I have had a few Nah sayers that need to see it at my local show....25 year pasture car to show car in 3 and a half months.....

[Steve1968LS2]

rupp will wimp out and be a no show,lol!!!!!!! no excuses, make this happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:poke:

Hey, I could go against your car... oh wait, none of your stuff runs yet..

:enguard:

[Steve1968LS2]

We will have 1/2 of the equation here for RTTHs aready. Now all we need is a sponsor to get Penny here?????

Penny is set to go out for next year's Year One Exp.. then I was just going to leave her there for Power Tour and for RTTH5.

Vinnie has a power advantage and I have a weight advantage, we both run the same tires.. would be fun :)

If anyone has an empty trailer heading east then I'm game for the RTTH4. Even if I lost it would still be fun. lol

Or if Vinnie wants to come west, I'm game. In a month I will have bigger front rollers and by next year I should have another 100 hp or two.. ;)

Cliff notes: bring it!!!

[Damn True]

The salient variable then is the loose nuts behind the wheel.

[JEFFTATE]

Penny is set to go out for next year's Year One Exp.. then I was just going to leave her there for Power Tour and for RTTH5.


I got a BIG garage !
I'll keep Penny for you !

[JEFFTATE]

We will have 1/2 of the equation here for RTTHs aready. Now all we need is a sponsor to get Penny here?????

What about the Roadcourse Bill ! ?
You can do it !

[Vinz68]

Superman and Captain Marvel you mean.

behold.
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That's too funny. It looks like Superman ( blue) kicked Captian Marvels a$$ (prowler orange)...lol Just kidding Steve

[Steve1968LS2]

That's too funny. It looks like Superman ( blue) kicked Captian Marvels a$$ (prowler orange)...lol Just kidding Steve

Yea, but I have the kryptonite coated exhaust system sucka!

I would be fun.. why not split the difference and meet in Kansas? lol

[andrewb70]

I think you both should do the One Lap of America.

Andrew

[Damn True]

Or GRM's track-car challenge.

[Vinz68]

It would definatly be cool to see how they match up.

[bret]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event? Kind of like a "Drag Week" format...5 tracks over 5 days, 250-300 miles between each track? I've been talking about this with Kevin King and a couple of the magazines. Everyone seems interested...just have to get the logistics worked out. Positive input will be an influence...

[Bill Howell]

I would be all over that Bret if it happens. Hopefully it would be on the East Coast, but sounds like heaps of fun. I would bring the Charger if finished with it by then. Man, can you imagine? Count me in.

[dropit69]

ill throw in 100 to get penny to RTTH4..its a start..lol..

[hotrdblder]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event? Kind of like a "Drag Week" format...5 tracks over 5 days, 250-300 miles between each track? I've been talking about this with Kevin King and a couple of the magazines. Everyone seems interested...just have to get the logistics worked out. Positive input will be an influence...
I AM IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:naughty:

[Bad94]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event? Kind of like a "Drag Week" format...5 tracks over 5 days, 250-300 miles between each track? I've been talking about this with Kevin King and a couple of the magazines. Everyone seems interested...just have to get the logistics worked out. Positive input will be an influence...

Hell yea. thats a very good idea

[Steve Chryssos]

The salient variable then is the loose nuts behind the wheel.

Indeed. But the match-up is worth mentioning in detail:
Penny VS. Shocked
Fitted 3 Link VS. "bolt-in" Tri-Four Bar
Coil Springs VS. Shockwaves
Aftermarket Sub VS. stock
Rack VS. Steering Box
Hi-Tech LS3 VS. Old School Big Block
Manual VS. Auto
West Coast VS. East Coast
Tupac VS. Biggie Smalls

Where's Don King when you need him?

[Damn True]

Indeed. But the match-up is worth mentioning in detail:
Penny VS. Shocked
Fitted 3 Link VS. "bolt-in" Tri-Four Bar
Coil Springs VS. Shockwaves
Aftermarket Sub VS. stock
Rack VS. Steering Box
Hi-Tech LS3 VS. Old School Big Block
Manual VS. Auto
West Coast VS. East Coast
Tupac VS. Biggie Smalls

Where's Don King when you need him?

There's gotta be a way to mention that Shug Knight got knocked the #$%## out!

[eville]

Penny is set to go out for next year's Year One Exp.. then I was just going to leave her there for Power Tour and for RTTH5.

Hmmm, that's an interesting idea. Us West Coasters get the shaft for all the good events...

I have to give this some thought...

[parsonsj]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event?
I'm interested too. You're talking about an informal version of the One Lap? Not too many rules, mostly about having fun and throwing our cars around on the track?

jp

[Steve1968LS2]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event? Kind of like a "Drag Week" format...5 tracks over 5 days, 250-300 miles between each track? I've been talking about this with Kevin King and a couple of the magazines. Everyone seems interested...just have to get the logistics worked out. Positive input will be an influence...

I would be up for that...

As for the real One Lap event.. that's not really what I built the car for since there's some serious stuff at that event. But the mini-OL sounds like a blast.

[trapin]

Yes, it would be a great match-up. One of the all-time greats.

And the fact that they're both 68's and not 69's is makin' me grin a grinchy grin from ear to ear.

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[David Sloan]

I'm interested too. You're talking about an informal version of the One Lap? Not too many rules, mostly about having fun and throwing our cars around on the track?

jp

Iam very interested in this as well!:drive1:

[hotrdblder]

jerry balls 68 would be a killer match up as well as he runs low 10's high 9's ion the 1/4, ran some high speed events also

[JEFFTATE]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event? Kind of like a "Drag Week" format...5 tracks over 5 days, 250-300 miles between each track? I've been talking about this with Kevin King and a couple of the magazines. Everyone seems interested...just have to get the logistics worked out. Positive input will be an influence...

I'll do it !
I'll take my vacation next year for it !

[BADNBLK]

I would be fun.. why not split the difference and meet in Kansas? lol

That sounds like a great idea! :twothumbs

[TonyL]

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[JEFFTATE]

We've hi-jacked this thread .

[Steve Chryssos]

Well, Let's do it then. Who has the baddest Pro-Touring car in all the land?

[monza]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event? Kind of like a "Drag Week" format...5 tracks over 5 days, 250-300 miles between each track? I've been talking about this with Kevin King and a couple of the magazines. Everyone seems interested...just have to get the logistics worked out. Positive input will be an influence...

Sounds great and like a amazing road trip I'd be interested!

[Damn True]

Shotgun!

[BADNBLK]

What do you guys think of a "mini One Lap" event? Kind of like a "Drag Week" format...5 tracks over 5 days, 250-300 miles between each track? I've been talking about this with Kevin King and a couple of the magazines. Everyone seems interested...just have to get the logistics worked out. Positive input will be an influence...

Seems like everyone has thumbs up for this type of an event.... now think central locations!

[Damn True]

Seems like everyone has thumbs up for this type of an event.... now think central locations!

Thunderhill, Sears Pt. Laguna Seca, Buttonwillow.

Throw in an SF region SCCA auto-x and you are all set.

All locations squarely in the CENTER of CA.

BRILLIANT!

[DJW32]

Well, Let's do it then. Who has the baddest Pro-Touring car in all the land?

Where/What track will this be held on? The MULE still has my vote.

[hotrdblder]

the mule has some hardware to be included but i doubt it would put down the numbers to win or be driven hard enough to win.

[DJW32]

Jake,
The MULE could kick some ass at Seca.

Steve said,"Who has the baddest Pro-Touring car in all the land?"

[hotrdblder]

key word COULD, lots of cars could do it, but will there owners push them hard enough? i doubt it.
jake
like steve said, bring it, prove it, then talk

[ProBell]

I am in if it is not all the way on the west cost. I would love to see a similar event to the XV MotorSports event last year with multiple tracks and some street time. ( With out the rain of course) I plan to run the 2009 One Lap Of America. Just need to confirm a few things. If it comes together I will be looking for # of people willing to help with repairs if needed along the way.
If any one has ever run it before and could give me more in site PM me and I will give you a call. Thanks Randy

[DJW32]

jake
like steve said, bring it, prove it, then talk

Good point.

[harshman]

key word COULD, lots of cars could do it, but will there owners push them hard enough? i doubt it.
jake
like steve said, bring it, prove it, then talk
Nah, just have PHR’s test driver beat the living shart out of your car while you stand 100 ft back and look at them do a burn out in second gear only to see the tires not spinning at all.

[Damn True]

key word COULD, lots of cars could do it, but will there owners push them hard enough? i doubt it.
jake
like steve said, bring it, prove it, then talk

Charlie has tracked the Mule quite a few times. I don't think he leans on it as hard as he does his Shelbys (no mercy), but he does wring it out.

[Steve1968LS2]

Nah, just have PHR’s test driver beat the living shart out of your car while you stand 100 ft back and look at them do a burn out in second gear only to see the tires not spinning at all.

Yea, we'll just have Nick drive each car and beat the snot out of it. lol...

I could care less if my car gets beat on.. that's what it's for. Hell, if I let crazy man Bret drive my car then I can't be too worried ;)

[Steve Chryssos]

The Mule gets driven plenty hard. I hope we can come together and apply the "Baddest in the Land" label to cars that show up and run. If it's the Mule, so be it. But it would suck for a bunch of us to run our cars hard and then have armchair quarterbacks second guess the results. That would be pretty insulting to those who participated. Even the car that came in last place.

"Baddest In the Land" should be awarded to a car/driver that actually participates, even if some "Badder" car exists in theory or actuality. It doesn't rate if it doesn't run against other cars. No tickey...no shirty. Let's get that straight right now, otherwise, we might as well all sit at home and bench race.

[MarkM66]

Nah, just have PHR’s test driver beat the living shart out of your car while you stand 100 ft back and look at them do a burn out in second gear only to see the tires not spinning at all.

Get "The Stig" to drive the cars.

[Steve1968LS2]

I would propose that Camaro Performers sponsor a "Camaro Throwdown" at the event.. a class for them to compete in.. :)

Now that would be cool...

Steve'o.. count me in..

The "last place car" is still badder then the car that was never run... :)

[Steve Chryssos]

....Hell, if I let crazy man Bret drive my car then I can't be too worried ;)

I let Bret run my car at Y1. Clicked off a 28.11 without breaking a sweat. I think he could have shaved a whole second with practice. He drives way better than I do.

[eville]

Hand raised high, I know I can at least finish last place.
I'm in.

[Steve Chryssos]

That's fine. Pay special attention to last place. The driver really will make all the difference. So the last place car might have far better specs "on paper" than the second place car.

As a goofy ritual, we should all scotch tape pieces of paper to all of our tires and test how well the cars do "on paper" Should make an interesting photo op.

Hopefully, as a group, we won't poo poo the results if the "wrong" car (on paper) wins. Let's not blame the weather, or the curvature of the earth, or static electricity, or excessively tight underwear.

[monza]

This is the best highjacking of a thread I've read.
No problem letting a pro drive FUel but I'd still be happier just driving just to drive. Being behind any of the cars mentioned, who cares!
Hope it all happens. My wife just said you kidding... "that's not a holiday." For me I'd vote CA locations, driving SECA would be like a dream. (i think I'd need a diaper!) Central works to, the east well it's far.


Shotgun!

If thats a shotgun for FUel ~LOL your in, just don't spill your beer!

[Damn True]

or excessively tight underwear.

Don't wear 'em. Problem solved.

[CRCRFT78]

I've never driven any of these type of events but I sure in the hell would be willing to crash my Malibu (not on purpose of course) just to have a good time like this. West Coast needs some involvement in this, not just you East Coast guys. Sign me up if its out West somewhere.

[trapin]

I don't really think it's even possible to pin a "Baddest PT Car Ever" ribbon on any car. Everyone has their own tastes and what appeals to them and each car is unique in it's own way. The Mule will always be one of those special/legendary cars because of the boundries that it pushed but others have followed in it's footsteps that are very much at the same build level. Cars such as II Much, Penny, Fuel, Mali2ude, the list goes on and on and on. This hobby is a "To Each His Own" hobby and because of that there really can't be a top prize for the best ever.

I don't know...I'm just a backyard hobbyist and that's my $.02.

[parsonsj]

This hobby is a "To Each His Own" hobby and because of that there really can't be a top prize for the best ever.That's where I'm coming from too. This is a hobby for most of us, though I recognize some of us make a living from the hobby. This just sounds like fun to me. If it turns into a cut-throat competitive event, count me out. I'm just looking to spend some time together with some buddies, hanging out, and occasionally driving my car really hard without worrying about getting arrested.

jp

[monza]

That's where I'm coming from too. This is a hobby for most of us, though I recognize some of us make a living from the hobby. This just sounds like fun to me. If it turns into a cut-throat competitive event, count me out. I'm just looking to spend some time together with some buddies, hanging out, and occasionally driving my car really hard without worrying about getting arrested.

jp

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[Steve Chryssos]

"Cut-throat" is where people start to get hurt. That wouldn't be encouraged or allowed. But hot rodders are empirical creatures and data will be collected while we are all having fun. Comparison is inevitable.

[TonyL]

I know this much. It'll make for a legendary magazine writeup. It'll be fun to participate in, and fun to read. This has all the makings of epic fun and all sorts of win. It should be done just because of that. Power tour got it's start because Scott Sullivan drove his 55 across the country and blew down 10 second quarter mile times when he got there, and then turned around and drove home. That story woke people up to the potential fun that was to be had. That's what is brewing here all over again, I can see it.

[hotrdblder]

what this will do most for us is get everyone out driving there cars like we have all talked about over the years, not still saying" i got this" " i got that part" and more then likely a driver will stand out at the event and most everyone will let him run there car to see where it really stacks up, thats where we will get the baddest pt car, we should do it yearly:bicycle:

[James OLC]

West coast gets my vote as well. The east coast already has a stranglehold on existing events. Give us some love over here already.

Obviously, I'm in if the timing works.

[Vinz68]

I'm in! It would be nice if it was in the mid east. Year one was a 2000 mile round trip me..... Between race gas and diesel for my truck,it was pretty expensive.

[Steve Chryssos]

I don't really think it's even possible to pin a "Baddest PT Car Ever" ribbon on any car.

I don't think there's anything wrong with someone holding bragging rights for a year.

[67SSDan]

So about leaving Penny out here... the most logical place to store it, I would think... would be at Bill's place.

... So ummm, Bill.... you're calling me right? :)

I LOVE this baddest PT car idea... this could be cool. Get V8 TV to cover it as well.

Dan

[Steve1968LS2]

West coast gets my vote as well. The east coast already has a stranglehold on existing events. Give us some love over here already.

Obviously, I'm in if the timing works.

I have to agree here a bit.. the west often gets left out...

Maybe a transport company could be an official sponsor and move cars at a discounted rate when they have open spots?

Just an idea..

I'm just going to assume it's going to happen and start figuring out how to do a story on turning an LS2 into a 408... maybe supercharged. :D

[Nine Ball]

Rupp, I have a contact at Magna that might help. "M1900" is the keyword. Also known as the ZR-1 supercharger system. :)

Tony

[Steve1968LS2]

Rupp, I have a contact at Magna that might help. "M1900" is the keyword. Also known as the ZR-1 supercharger system. :)

Tony

Yea.. oh yea... :idea:

[hotrdblder]

you west coats guys just need to step up and host an event, or are you scared your times will suck???:enguard:lol

[MrQuick]

hey hey hey, we're too busy shoveling sunshine off the driveway! LOL


..... Its been a long time since we had a triathlon. Is Buttonwillow still running the drag strip??

[hotrdblder]

vince, not nice lmao, shoveling sunshine wtf,lol:slap:

[trapin]

hey hey hey, we're too busy shoveling sunshine off the driveway!
:rotfl: I'm stealing that one.

[James OLC]

That's where I'm coming from too. This is a hobby for most of us, though I recognize some of us make a living from the hobby. This just sounds like fun to me. If it turns into a cut-throat competitive event, count me out. I'm just looking to spend some time together with some buddies, hanging out, and occasionally driving my car really hard without worrying about getting arrested.

jp

I think that is what would be cool about making it a mini One Lap... overall the event is about making it - which is far more of an accomplishment than being the top dog. I think a multi-day, multi-track, multi-"type" event would be a killer deal. Personally I think that this is the sort of thing that creates relationships that always serve to make the whole sport thrive. Everyone always remembers the night that so-and-so cooked this or that and five cars sat at the side of some secondary highway trying to figure out how to build a diff out of spare parts and jb weld.

[Lessk]

East coast, west coast. How do you think us in places like Kansas feel?

We don't get didly squat out here. What do people think they're gonna get scalped by the natives? Tossed to OZ by a twister?

Why don't we have a Flint Hills Raceway or something? Wheres my sponsors?

[the camtender]

subscribing :twothumbs

[vanzuuk1]

Assuming my car gets back together, I want in...

[John McIntire]

Rupp, I have a contact at Magna that might help. "M1900" is the keyword. Also known as the ZR-1 supercharger system. :)

Tony


Heck go for the 2300!!!! Did you see what Kenny Dutweiler squeezed out of an LS2 with one of those?????

[Steve Chryssos]

......2nd in class @ Big Bend Open Road Race 07'.....

Just looking at Camtender's Sig. He's run Big Bend--and we know he's run 9's. So, unless someone has better, Jerry has the baddest documented P-T car to date. :1st: Vin better hurry up and run in the nines.

All in good fun.

[bret]

Wow. 5 pages of discussion about this! I'm not sure exactly how yet, but this Street Challenge event will happen, likely in 2009. In the meantime there are a couple of "warm-up" events to have fun at. The Hotrod Power Tour is having an autocross again this year at the Ames, Iowa stop on June 11th. We had 105 cars run 470 laps aat the Power Tour stop in Evansville last year.
The Nashville Goodguys show is June 27-29. They have moved the autocross to the other side of the stadium where the swapmeet used to be. This will be a much larger venue with a larger track layout. I know the Goodguys tracks are quite short right now, but still better than sitting around in a lawnchair. They are also less intimidating for the civilians who may not want to beat on their cars like the rest of us.
Goodguys is also running an autocross on Friday at the Columbus show. All of the Street Machine of the Year contenders will be required to participate to eligible for the SMOY award. The autocross will be on Friday only because there are 7000 cars at this event and Saturday is a complete cluster**** for traffic. If you want to "play the stadium", Columbus will be the place to be. I hear John Hotchkis is bringing a new 72 Nova...
You can check out details here:

http://www.ridetech.com/index.php?pcsid=e8f37d25d13b2c4ba81348db8edf9225&p=page&page_id=events

This is only a few of the available events. I haven't even covered the RTTH event in Pigeon Forge or any of the other Goodguys autocross events. This stuff is a little light on the west coast, but we are working on it for 2009

We'll have the Velocity Camaro and several other air ride cars these events. Come out and take a look or take a ride. Better yet...take a lap. It ALL about the fun!:6gears:

[Steve1968LS2]

Hey Bret.. don't forget that the US has a west coast too.. and we have plenty of tracks and venues...

That was a hint.. lol

[Larry Callahan]

If it's after SEMA I'll bring MotiV8r.

We should spin off a new thread on this don't ya think?

[1969CamaroRS]

Damn you guys are making me wish my car was done :hammer:

[JEFFTATE]

The "last place car" is still badder then the car that was never run... :)

The "last place car" would be me.
LOL

[parsonsj]

The "last place car" would be me.
LOLDon't be so sure. Seat time is the most important element in these events, not the equipment. I'm sure a lot of us rookies will be hanging out together. :)

jp

[Rubes]

The "last place car" would be me.
LOL
Dude...you were only .05 seconds behind Vin on the Autocross at YOE.

[JEFFTATE]

Dude...you were only .05 seconds behind Vin on the Autocross at YOE.


OK OK OK .
I'm just trying to be humble.

[slenning]

I'm sure a lot of us rookies will be hanging out together. :)

jp

Count me in!!! I'll be hanging out in this group also:bananna2: vying for last place

[JEFFTATE]

Last place is Fun as heck !
No pressure.
Just fun hangin ' with your buds.

[Payton King]

I am in.

[jknight16]

I'll throw my pile around some corners, just get me a destination in the Western third and I'm there!

[69Nova]

I'd do it with my car.

Also it might be kinda cool if there is a event set up to have two different classes(like the Grassroots motorsports event). Have a class for "average joe" kinda cars and another class for cars with 3 and 4 link suspensions, custom frames, and so on. Just a thought.

[DJW32]

Count me in for the 2010 event.

[Steve1968LS2]

Don't be so sure. Seat time is the most important element in these events, not the equipment. I'm sure a lot of us rookies will be hanging out together. :)

jp

Ain't that the truth.. the guys at Air Ride knocked nearly a second of my best time in Penny at the autocross..

There's not substitute for a good driver.

[barraza]

Ain't that the truth.. the guys at Air Ride knocked nearly a second of my best time in Penny at the autocross..

There's not substitute for a good driver.
It's not just good driving. Autocross is an aquired skill that is lots different than driving on the street or open tracks. Low speeds and tight corners are not really what most of our cars excel at. Well driven cars with half the power / tires / and weight will flat out embarass most of us at a typical SCCA autocross. There is NO SUBSTITUTE FOR SEAT TIME.

I live near an abandoned airport that the local SCCA chapter along with another club and the local corvette club all used to race at. I got tired of all the small courses the SCCA guys used to setup and getting blown off by rx7's and imports so I volunteered to be the event master once. They wouldn't let me run a course with 1 cone placed a half a mile from the starting clocks, but I think we did have the least number of cones ever used for an event, it sure shut the import guys up.

We pretty much got shut out of using the big courses about 20 years ago when the place got taken over with soccer fields and other recreation facilities. The city didn't think racing cars was recreation.

[the camtender]

[QUOTE=barraza] Autocross is an aquired skill that is lots different than driving on the street or open tracks. Low speeds and tight corners are not really what most of our cars excel at.

Yea, no parking lot racing or go kart tracks for me :crying:

[2Bad4Ya]

Sounds like stuff legends are made of (well at least a 4 page pix spread in some magazine at least)!

I agree with an earlier post, if your going to do it then there has to be some kind of class ranking:

shadetree, hobbiest, enthusiest, deep pockets
(you get the drift)

All this talk has the hair on the back of my neck up in excitement.

[Steve1968LS2]

Hey, my gas tank is filled.. all I need are directions to the event :)

[Damn True]

Will there be a category in which there will be an award for those who don't actually participate but drive their car on the street a lot?:poke: