'09 Camaro Mule spotted in Tampa, FL

[Neil B]

My buddy came across this pre-production '09 Camaro over lunch today. Apparently, they brought the car to Florida for some testing in humid climates.

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[paulk68]

wow i really like that

[Neil B]

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[jknight16]

No doubt about it. I'm gettin it fo' sho'. Gettin that fo' sho'.

I hope they make that tow package an option on the production car!!! ;)

[oestek]

It seems to be looking less "Camaro" with every iteration, but still a cool car.

[Nine Ball]

Those headlights kind of suck, hope they don't make it into production like that. The rest looks okay, I can work with it :)

[jknight16]

Luckily, GM reps have made it very clear to those following the car's development that those are not the headlights that will be used on the production car.

[Project69]

Holy crap bring that thing to cape coral fl its just hours away!!!!!!!!


I want one sooo bad.

[Vegas69]

I have nothing nice to say....so I won't.

[Todds69]

I think it looks better than some of the other spy photos on the web.

[bobbaganoosh]

I have nothing nice to say....so I won't.
I'll say it, I think it's fugly.

[WEAVER]

I'll say it, I think it's fugly.
I agree,I'm going to look at getting a Challenger

[john.s]

ah man! gorgeous!!

[TonyL]

You naysayers have no imagination. here's a quick look of what MINE will look like.

See what a difference a little altitude adjustment and a different grille will make?
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[paul67]

Who thinks the arial is a bit on the large size lol

[cad]

Proud couple of guys they are....

[trapin]

jknight16....I hope you're right about those headlights because as far as I'm concerned, they ruin the entire car. I sure hope to hell someone didn't have their "Bad Idea" pants on and made a tragic last minute change.

And I'm not afraid to toss out that criticism either. The headlights on that black car will destroy the whole design. It will rip whatever Camaro lineage this car had right out from under it's feet and turn it flat on it's head. They look TERRIBLE on there. It takes "Camaro" right out of the whole design. Wow. I sure hope you're right, because I am scared to death that you might not be and somebody made a devastating error in the zero hour.

[Chevrolaine]

I read the same thing about the headlights in Motor Trend.
But those backup lights look like an afterthought! In fact the whole back is kinda weird lookin.:crying:

Not that that would stop me from buying one though!

[jknight16]

You have nothing to worry about Tony. here is a direct quote from Scott Settlemire (I believe this is his last name, if not I apologize), Manager of Chevrolet Shows and Camaro Marketing.

"repeat after me.......it is a preproduction car -- the headlamps are not real -- we essentially grabbed 'em off the shelf and hot-glued 'em in so we can continue testing......it will have headlamps that look amazingly like the concept.......also - forget spoiler -- they aren't ready yet..................in due time, my friends...in due time."

Here's the concept headlights:

[TonyL]

I had a little more time to screw with it.

It's got potential. It's a frikin' Camaro to me.

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[trapin]

You have nothing to worry about Tony. here is a direct quote from Scott Settlemire (I believe this is his last name, if not I apologize), Manager of Chevrolet Shows and Camaro Marketing.

"repeat after me.......it is a preproduction car -- the headlamps are not real -- we essentially grabbed 'em off the shelf and hot-glued 'em in so we can continue testing......it will have headlamps that look amazingly like the concept.......also - forget spoiler -- they aren't ready yet..................in due time, my friends...in due time."
Whew! Thanks.

[moreHP]

Did they fix the dash?

[class67]

TonyL, nice job on the last photshop. On another note, umm...will the tow package be included that you see in that rear shot of the car? lol

[GTOnate]

The thing is amazing, I don't care what anyone says. I am getting one, hopefully the first SS on the block ;) Everyone said my GTO was ugly too but it still smoked them Stangs! lol sorry don't want to start a riot will leave that one alone.

[GTOnate]

PS I am in Tampa and P!$$ed I was not around to see that thing!

[Restomod]

I have nothing nice to say....so I won't.

X2 ...........

[cheapthrillz]

Have they released what option packages and models they are releasing yet? Like, will the SS be the standard v8, or the z28 like the 4th gens?

[PleaseNoSteve]

Sorry guys, I'm not a huge fan.

[muthstryker]

cheapthrillz you can get the towing option package :lol: i hope those dont make it on the production cars..

oo and tony, nice photoshop :)

[z4me69]

man tony you made one heck of a difference. looks great .now put the rear spoiler on it and the piece between the taillights thats missing i'm wanting ths car a lil more

[CRCRFT78]

Looks sort of like a stubby version of the concept car. A little fat in my opinion. Challenger beats this hands down right now if you ask me. I have and always will be a Chevy man but I'm up in the air on this one. Will have to wait for the production model to pass final judgement.

[bigvegan]

Am I the only one who thinks the lines from the A pillar to the roofline could have been a little less ugly?

Either way, Tony L did a hell of a job cleaning it up.

[BonzoHansen]

Too bd there won't be too many V8s out there, at least according to what I've read.

[shmoov69]

Slowly working Tony, keep going! LOL! The front (well, whole car!) is too big IMO. But may grow on me.
On another note, what is the deal with the options? Because I'm sure they will change after the manufacturers start dropping ponies (HP) for mileage with the gas/oil prices where they are. Heck, they won't sell many new cars in 09+ if the prices stay or get higher than they are now!
And on another, another note, LOL, anyone seen the specs on the new Caddy CTS-V? 550 HP!!! SWEET 4 door!! Major kudo's to GM on that one!

[Texas Hotrod]

I've owned Chevys since the day I started driving (bikes were/are always Hondas). I'm a Chevy loyalist and always will be, so i hope I don't create any enemies on this one.
We've seen the new Mustang become ordinary over the last few years and the Charger came and went. Now the Challenger will soon be upon us.

Seems like anything with a Ford or Dodge badge sells better than predictions, and whatever GM produces doesn't get the credit that it deserves. Has anyone taken a close look at the GTO? That is an amazing car and the interrior is plain bad-ass. Did it sell well? No, and now it's been (sadly) discontinued. When you see a C6 pass by (fly by), do think that it is an awesome performance machine or "Ahhh, it's just a Vette"? What about when you spot a Viper????
I rest my case, GM always comes in 2nd rate.

The Camaro is now becoming an 010 model,,, and we have to wait another year and a half???????? I for one am tired of waiting and want to see it in production. America is tired of waiting...
Will I buy one? No, not that I don't want to. It's just not a car for me (I'm happier building my own). If it would have been styled w/the true look of a 1st gen, then yes. I would have sold my C4 Vette and the Camaro project to get one. Maybe my opinion will change after I see one/sit in one/DRIVE ONE... I just pray that it doesn't look like one of those Chevron toys (kind of like the C6).
For the sake of GM's future, I hope the Camaro is spectacular and it does sell like they expect it to. I just hope the styling dept doesn't screw it up and the pricing is out of people's budget.

It'll be a disaster if it doesn't get released before the Challenger, which in my eyes looks like a "true" Challenger.

[buickfunnycar.com]

..not that this was a perfect starting point mind you.I think they shoulda just picked one year (ala 1969) and went with it...woulda flown off the shelves!:screwy:
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Looks awesome here!:smoke:
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[stage2ROUSH]

GTOnate " where in tampa are you ??I'm in Clermont ,actually closer to 192,anyway just curious, I used to belong to a truck club from tampa.

[killer69]

Now what happened to the nose........... the orange one looks way better than the black one........... the black on looks like it gained about 200 lbs.

[Vegas69]

I've owned Chevys since the day I started driving (bikes were/are always Hondas). I'm a Chevy loyalist and always will be, so i hope I don't create any enemies on this one.
We've seen the new Mustang become ordinary over the last few years and the Charger came and went. Now the Challenger will soon be upon us.

Seems like anything with a Ford or Dodge badge sells better than predictions, and whatever GM produces doesn't get the credit that it deserves. Has anyone taken a close look at the GTO? That is an amazing car and the interrior is plain bad-ass. Did it sell well? No, and now it's been (sadly) discontinued. When you see a C6 pass by (fly by), do think that it is an awesome performance machine or "Ahhh, it's just a Vette"? What about when you spot a Viper????
I rest my case, GM always comes in 2nd rate.

The Camaro is now becoming an 010 model,,, and we have to wait another year and a half???????? I for one am tired of waiting and want to see it in production. America is tired of waiting...
Will I buy one? No, not that I don't want to. It's just not a car for me (I'm happier building my own). If it would have been styled w/the true look of a 1st gen, then yes. I would have sold my C4 Vette and the Camaro project to get one. Maybe my opinion will change after I see one/sit in one/DRIVE ONE... I just pray that it doesn't look like one of those Chevron toys (kind of like the C6).
For the sake of GM's future, I hope the Camaro is spectacular and it does sell like they expect it to. I just hope the styling dept doesn't screw it up and the pricing is out of people's budget.

It'll be a disaster if it doesn't get released before the Challenger, which in my eyes looks like a "true" Challenger.


The problem is, GM already made the best Camaro they can build and it was 39 years ago. Everything else is just a let down. Now if you compare the new camaro to a 4th gen then it's a winner. The new mustang GT smokes it and I would never own a mustang.

[bigvegan]

From the Fastlane blog:

"The V6 G8 runs for $26,595 (plus $685 destination and freight charge) and the the V8 version starts at $29,995.
In regards to fuel economy. The V6 gets 17 city and 25 hwy. The V8 (GT version) gets 15 city and 24 hwy.
Adam Denison
GM Social Media "

That's the mileage/pricing for the G8, and the mileage for the Camaro is likely to be pretty similar.

Was I the only one hoping (however unrealistically), that the new GM RWD cars would get better than 15mpg city?

[Boyd]

That rear shot is just plain fugly....

[TonyL]

you guys realize that the car is missing all of its finishing touches, right?

judging the tail? it looks like the concept to me. It's just missing the finishing touches. The exhaust tips and filler panels.

[LowBuckX]

Ugly

[Samckitt]

That rear shot is just plain fugly....

I agree, I don't care for the back at all.

[tones2SS]

Sorry guys, I'm not a huge fan.

Same here. Not a huge fan. I think the Challenger blows it away in the "looks" department. Just my opinion though.:drive:

[Samckitt]

I don't like the Challenger as much as I do the Charger.

[jy211]

I've seen other pre production cars running across alligator alley...back and forth, back and forth...guess they wanna see how the bugs flow on the bumper and windshield :rotfl:

[trapin]

Well everyone clamored for a new Camaro and now here it is. Is it going to make everyone happy? No. That was never going to happen no matter WHAT it looked like. The new Challanger hasn't made everyone happy either, and I've also heard people say they hate the new Mustang too. It's all subjective. You also have to remember that this is a test mule car meaning it was hastily thrown together and will traditionally look a little rough. The few things that disgruntle me about the new Camaro are the weight (4000lbs), low production numbers for the V8 car and the inflated price. But that's mostly the governments fault. I know now that I will probably never own one because of those facts. I love the look of the car however, I think Tom and everyone in the Rear Wheel Drive studio did a fantastic job on it. It's a beautiful car when you see it in person. But as far as this car needing to succeed.....it really doesn't. It's a niche car (effectively) and only meant to drum up interest for the brand. Whether it fails or succeeds will have little effect on the bottom line.

But that said....I think it will succeed. Performance car's mostly do.

[Nine Ball]

Not all 1969 Camaros looked good when stock. You just need to use some imagination, and think of all the badass 1969 Camaros that look better than this:

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[Neil B]

Here's new shots of a white one in Tampa...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3143

[Steve68]

not really a fan, cant they do something with the blah calipers, PBR stuff is so much nicer,

[Jimmy Sean]

Did they fix the dash?

Some information I found on Jalopnik
http://jalopnik.com/366081/2010-chevy-camaro-is-better-in-black

http://jalopnik.com/365972/ed-wellburn-says-camaro-interior-spy-photos-are-bunk-confirms-ss

"Oh Muscle Car Wars (http://jalopnik.com/tag/muscle-car-wars/), how much teasing will we be forced to endure? GM Design chief Ed Welburn divulged some interesting facts to Bill Bortzfield from Jacksonville.com about the 2009 Chevy Camaro (http://jalopnik.com/tag/2009-chevy-camaro/) at the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance this weekend. Welburn first lets slip that they'll have "the base model and the SS," thereby all but confirming an SS model. He then proceeds to rip into our exclusive and frequently-maligned spy shots of the 2009 Camaro interior (http://jalopnik.com/349321/new-2009-chevrolet-camaro-interior-pictures-now-with-more-motion-blur) and engine bay (http://jalopnik.com/349971/first-2009-chevy-camaro-engine-bay-photos-also-with-motion-blur), saying "The production interior is better than the concept... what has been on the internet were engineering mules... those were the images that leaked out." Is it an excuse, the truth or are they just buying time while they make tweaks? Or perhaps all you unruly fan-boys merely mistook plastic floor sheeting and Holden seating as "production level." Only time will tell. [Jacksonville.com (http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1412255587/bclid1333257700/bctid1448205025)]

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[jknight16]

I have complete confidence that GM will deliver when the final production version of the Camaro hits dealerships. For one, I think the car looks great, especially considering that this is an engineering mule. Cars from any manufacturer at this phase of the game would be covered in ghastly black cladding (Mr. Lutz ordered that the camaro mules go sans-camo) and cobbled together interior bits and pieces, but we would give them a free pass as being simply a mule. But in this case, it looks so close to finished, that people are not giving that free pass.

Given that this car is coming from the same company brought us the interior of the new Malibu or GMT900 trucks or even the GTO (since this car IS drawing heavily on Holden) and the performance of the new CTS and CTS-V, G8 GT, C6, Z06 and ZL1 Corvette, etc., etc., I don't think anyone should be worried about the interior or engine/braking performance of this car when the final version hits dealerships. There's just no reason to think that GM won't execute on this.

BTW, I think the challenger looks absolutely awesome. But has anyone seen the interior of that car!! Positively uninteresting and lacking any originality. Between that and the lack of manual transmissions, along with a much higher price tag, I would argue that they may have missed the target a bit.

[jknight16]

I'm still a little concerned about the headlights...despite what the GM reps have continuously told the public, the ones on this other mule look an awful lot like a finished part...say it ain't so!!

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[moreHP]

Some information I found on Jalopnik
http://jalopnik.com/366081/2010-chevy-camaro-is-better-in-black

http://jalopnik.com/365972/ed-wellburn-says-camaro-interior-spy-photos-are-bunk-confirms-ss

"Oh Muscle Car Wars (http://jalopnik.com/tag/muscle-car-wars/), how much teasing will we be forced to endure? GM Design chief Ed Welburn divulged some interesting facts to Bill Bortzfield from Jacksonville.com about the 2009 Chevy Camaro (http://jalopnik.com/tag/2009-chevy-camaro/) at the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance this weekend. Welburn first lets slip that they'll have "the base model and the SS," thereby all but confirming an SS model. He then proceeds to rip into our exclusive and frequently-maligned spy shots of the 2009 Camaro interior (http://jalopnik.com/349321/new-2009-chevrolet-camaro-interior-pictures-now-with-more-motion-blur) and engine bay (http://jalopnik.com/349971/first-2009-chevy-camaro-engine-bay-photos-also-with-motion-blur), saying "The production interior is better than the concept... what has been on the internet were engineering mules... those were the images that leaked out." Is it an excuse, the truth or are they just buying time while they make tweaks? Or perhaps all you unruly fan-boys merely mistook plastic floor sheeting and Holden seating as "production level." Only time will tell. [Jacksonville.com (http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1412255587/bclid1333257700/bctid1448205025)]

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I hope thats true! Maybe I am just picky.:dunno:

[rob07002]

Lord knows I've been very critical of the General in the past, but I will put my trust in them to release a fine product when ready. I really think they "got it" this time around and most will be very happy when they hit the dealerships.

They've learned some hard lessons in the past few years, ala GTO, and I truely think someone is listening. For Scott Setlemeyer to post on Camaros.net means they care about us... to some degree anyway.

Fingers crossed...piggy bank looking scared!

[Jimmy Sean]

I'm still a little concerned about the headlights...despite what the GM reps have continuously told the public, the ones on this other mule look an awful lot like a finished part...say it ain't so!!

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I don't think they look like the finish product but I may be wrong.

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[6'9"Witha69]

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[MarkM66]

Good god how long do we have to keep hearing about this thing! It's still not F-ing out!

[jknight16]

Sean and Nick, I think in the end you guys are right. Every indication has been that these are not permanent, but it just seems like that plastic panel holding the lights is a fairly refined looking piece, must just be me...

BTW, nice job on the pic Nick...hahahah

[TonyL]

If that bezel was chrome, with those two lights in it, and it was covered by an acrylic panel... it might be passable.

[68Formula]

Hopefully those aren't the taillights either. Looks like they're upside down!

Tow package won't be an option. It's only for testing purposes.

[EFI69Cam]

Good god how long do we have to keep hearing about this thing! It's still not F-ing out!

Exactly. When you see one you can buy and you don't like it then comment.

[TonyL]

I don't get you guys. Here's the concept car and the test mule, side by side, Aside from the decorative exhaust tips, missing bowtie and missing spoiler, They're the same. Concept car has a lower stance and wider tires. Other than that, they're the same. I think it looks SICK from the back. And that's the angle most will be seeing the car from. Y'all are crazy.
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[jknight16]

I don't get you guys. Here's the concept car and the test mule, side by side, Aside from the decorative exhaust tips, missing bowtie and missing spoiler, They're the same. Concept car has a lower stance and wider tires. Other than that, they're the same. I think it looks SICK from the back. And that's the angle most will be seeing the car from. Y'all are crazy.

In the words of my man Mr. Vengeance...Co-signed!!

Well said Tony. That spoiler really is going to look good when they get it finished up and put on the car. I'm friggin excited for this thing.

[TA219]

I don't think they look like the finish product but I may be wrong.

I agree. I would say, judging by the shape of the grill, that we should expect a big round light similar to the concept :)

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

what does it matter, this is pro-touring.. WERE GONNA MOD THEM ANYWAYS!!

20X10 in front and 22X13s...
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[got_hp?]

im sure the auto accessory companies are already working on aftermarket replacement headlights and grills for it, lol.


overall i like the car so far......the rear shot on the concept does look better though, with the wing-lip and diff color lower valance.
interior pics are disgusting so far, but like many have said, that was mule interior not final, lets just hope they dont F it up.

hopefully those new shots dont reflect the cars actual ride height, it looks like its going off-roading!!
just seeing it photochopped with a drop on it makes a world of difference.


btw, any announcements on the weight? one thing i dont like about all the new retro-sports cars is they are heavy as hell, which means you get less value per dollar for every new HP you add.

[John McIntire]

Why does it weigh so much?? Thats a real bummer. The way people are talking, the V8 model wont be that far in price from a base Vette

[TonyL]

why does it weigh so much? safety equipment, a safer architecture, sound deadener, Huge rims, etc, all add up. Sadly yes, I think that it will ride that high. Just like all the other stock cars do. It'll be up to us to fix that.

[BA.]

good job Tony! three simple changes but they do make the car look pretty hot!

[Boyd]

Good god how long do we have to keep hearing about this thing! It's still not F-ing out!

Yea, no kidding. This thing is going to look out-dated by the time it's released. I guess GM is trying to build excitement with all of these "leaked pictures" and such - but they must not realize they've already done it - about a year ago.

The '08 - no, wait - '09 - no, 2010 Camaro is about to jump the shark and it's still 18mos away from production. Good grief.

[Doug Harden]

........ The few things that disgruntle me about the new Camaro are the weight (4000lbs), low production numbers for the V8 car and the inflated price.........

Tony,

How sure are you of these item? 4k lbs?? Low production #'s for the V8's....and the high price???

[carguy502]

Regardgless of all the naysayers, short of the new ZR1, this will be one of the most exciting releases GM will have made in a long while that many of us can afford. I'll wait a year for prices to come down and then I'll take delivery of a white 6-spd LSX Camaro.

[GTOnate]

True, I can't buy a zr1 so the camaro is where my money will be spent. already let the wife know that my car budget will be increasing and we may be eating a lot of raman noodles lol

[carguy502]

Regardgless of all the naysayers, short of the new ZR1, this will be one of the most exciting releases GM will have made in a long while that many of us can afford. I'll wait a year for prices to come down and then I'll take delivery of a white 6-spd LSX Camaro.

[GTOnate]

Ok this has been talked to death kill this thread please!

[68Formula]

Ok this has been talked to death kill this thread please!

Or you could just unsubscribe to this thread. :dunno:

[trapin]

The '08 - no, wait - '09 - no, 2010 Camaro is about to jump the shark and it's still 18mos away from production. Good grief.
18 months? Where'd you get that? It has always been a 2010 model. Never was it an '08 or an '09. It begins production in the Fall of this year as a 2010 model. I know because a few of the test models have been driving around the Tech Center and around town here in Warren. That's a traditional indicator that the car is very close to production. You will probably start seeing them in dealerships around November.

[69Nova]

It's got potential. It's a frikin' Camaro to me.

Exactly. I think the car looks great. I'd probly just lower one down and change the wheels and be done with it.

[EFI69Cam]

18 months? Where'd you get that? It has always been a 2010 model. Never was it an '08 or an '09. It begins production in the Fall of this year as a 2010 model. I know because a few of the test models have been driving around the Tech Center and around town here in Warren. That's a traditional indicator that the car is very close to production. You will probably start seeing them in dealerships around November.

Nov of this year?

[6'9"Witha69]

what does it matter, this is pro-touring.. WERE GONNA MOD THEM ANYWAYS!!PRECISELY!!

[jknight16]

Tony,

How sure are you of these item? 4k lbs?? Low production #'s for the V8's....and the high price???

I can add a little bit of context here. There will not be a shortage of V8 Camaros. This has been discussed and there no plans to put any caps on production of any model, V6, V8, LS, etc...

I'm not sure about the weight, but Motor Trend claims that GM's internal target weight for the coupe is between 3500 and 3600 lbs. As a reference point, the Holden Commodore Sedan, with which the Camaro shares its platform, weighs in at 4000 lbs. Subtract 2 doors, some wheelbase, a little sound deadener, etc., I don't think there's any reason why MT's claimed target could be reasonable.

As for price, it's all a guess, but the G8 GT is starting at $29,999 so I wouldn't be surprised to see a base V8 Camaro starting for the same or maybe a little less. I don't think that will get you an LS motor, but we all know that power can easily be extracted from its little siblings!

Edit: Oh, and the same GM rep I quoted earlier, said that a comparably equipped Camaro will be within $200 of the mustang MSRP. Hopefully that doesn't mean that you'll have to pay GT500 money to get the LS3 version of the Camaro. I don't think it does. My own personal guess, is that an LS3 equipped Camaro will be less than $35K, but that's purely speculation.

[jknight16]

Found a good photochop of the 09 Camaro mule in this thread with the headlights from the concept. It also does a good job of showing how the grille in this mule really does look like it has been designed for the concept-style headlights.

[BonzoHansen]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3237

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[Young Gun]

i think this thing is gonna be sweet... sad to see so many people bashing it :-/

[TonyHuntimer]

I had a little more time to screw with it.

It's got potential. It's a frikin' Camaro to me.

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I love the car. If I had the dough, I'd buy one. I'd also paint it to look like the 1st gen Sunoco Camaro.

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[BonzoHansen]

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