BAER vs BREMBO--Who makes the best 15" brake system and why?

[JohnC]

15" BAER vs. 15" BREMBO

Does one have a performance edge over the other?

Are their top-of-the-line stuff about the same price?

Who's got the bragging rights right now?? https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2006/06/lol-1.gif

I want to use a 15" system for my wheels that's why I'm specifying that size.



Thanks

[jeff s]

I've only used the Baer Monoblock, can't comment on Brembo.
I do know the Baer work better than my previous AP Racing set-up.
I have Baer mb on my 0-200-0 winner and going on my 2nd gen Trans Am.
I've installed both 15" and 14".
Yes, I sell them as well.
Here's 15" behind 19" Forgelines, yea I sell them too.
Thanks
www.schwartzperformance.com (http://www.schwartzperformance.com)

[JohnC]

Nice! thanks for the pics too!

I guess Brembo's are pretty rare are around here?

[andrewb70]

....

I guess Brembo's are pretty are around here?

Huh?

Andrew

[bucks69]

Rare........ Lol

[Apogee]

I haven't personally used them, but for that size rotor you may want to consider the carbon/ceramic setups from MovIt. It would certainly be a good way to reduce your rotational mass and unsprung weight and I have yet to hear anything but good things about their kits and products...of course, I'm a little biased since they use our hubs with some of their kits, so take it with a grain of salt. The carbon/ceramics are big money, but they're about half the weight of cast iron so it doesn't necessarily take an engineer to figure out the performance advantage. Rotors are virtually lifetime parts and the pads are the primary consumables, so the expense is somewhat deferred over time.

Last I heard, they sold about 2300 big-brake kits a year and were trying to make in-roads in the US as most of their market is based in Europe (they're German). http://www.movit.de/rahmen/ceramic.htm

Could be worth your consideration.

Tobin
KORE3

[JohnC]

I haven't personally used them, but for that size rotor you may want to consider the carbon/ceramic setups from MovIt. It would certainly be a good way to reduce your rotational mass and unsprung weight and I have yet to hear anything but good things about their kits and products...of course, I'm a little biased since they use our hubs with some of their kits, so take it with a grain of salt. The carbon/ceramics are big money, but they're about half the weight of cast iron so it doesn't necessarily take an engineer to figure out the performance advantage. Rotors are virtually lifetime parts and the pads are the primary consumables, so the expense is somewhat deferred over time.

Last I heard, they sold about 2300 big-brake kits a year and were trying to make in-roads in the US as most of their market is based in Europe (they're German). http://www.movit.de/rahmen/ceramic.htm

Could be worth your consideration.

Tobin
KORE3


I'd like to use those, but too expensive.

[JohnC]

So I guess I can use a 15" rotor with a 19 inch rim (Baer or Brembo)....

[Ripper]

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21905&d=1203214304

That's a nice center lock wheel setup! Did you custom make the hubs? What material did you use and do you have any detailpictures? (for example with wheel and brake disc removed?)

Might be a little OT here, but feel free to PM any pictures!

[preston]

The vette guys are fitting 15" rotors (Stoptech and Brembo calipers) inside 18" CCW "corsair" wheels.

Just a datapoint for you as selection of 19" track tires is pretty limited at least last time I checked.

[andrewb70]

That's a nice center lock wheel setup! Did you custom make the hubs? What material did you use and do you have any detailpictures? (for example with wheel and brake disc removed?)

Might be a little OT here, but feel free to PM any pictures!

Jeff is a super busy guy. If your asking out of purely academic reasons then you should do a search. Check out pistonheads.com. There are a lot of Ultima owners there. I am sure the hubs are from Ultima and the Forgeline wheels were machined for the hubs.

Andrew

[Bruning Auto Design]

both are great I'm sure. No experience with Brembo's, but BAER's tech & sales support is top notch in addition to a great product. The kits come complete with brake lines and all necessary hardware (per corner) with dust seals for street use.

19x8's and 20 x 12's with 15" two piece rotors and 6S monoblock calipers front and rear (pewter annodized).

wheels ordered using BAER templates..

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rear
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[TitoJones]

I distribute for both Baer and Brembo. I will say that the new 6 piston caliper from Baer is very nice, but they also use them in the rear with smaller pistons which I am not a real big fan of. Just too much brake for the rear.

I'm surprised that Jeff had an issue with his AP setup. I have never been in a better braking car than one equipped with a set of AP brakes.

Brembos are factory equipment on Porsche, Ferrari, and Lambo, and from all the ones I've driven, they are amazing from the factory. Brembo sizes their front and rear calipers with a better match than Baer, and they have been used on hundreds of race winning cars for decades.

My vote would be on the Brembo or AP Racing setups. Call me for a price quote on the Brembos, as they are not yet on our site.

Tyler

[chicane67]

...not to mention that the BAER 6S caliper alone weights in at about the same as an AP caliper > > and its 14.25" rotor < < ... :seizure:

My choice is AP as well... with Brembo in a close second. But then again... which calipers are we talking about ?? Something like the AP CP7040, 6080 or the 5555...?? or the Brembo XA3, XA4 or XA5, 6 or X99 series...??

You first need to compare apples to apples...

[Bruning Auto Design]

You first need to compare apples to apples...

exactly...

Brembo only offers a true forged mono block caliper in race specific applications. The cost per caliper is almost as much as complete BAER package with 14" rotors, 6S calipers, hardware, etc.

Wiper/dust seals are standard on the BAER monoblock system and the pistons in the rear calipers are staggered for pad efficiency, etc.

http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=259,367,49,363_1015&action=product



http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?form_prod_id=169,367,49,363_4801&action=product

[TitoJones]

Here is a picture of the road going Brembo setup that matches what Baer is putting out.

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Tyler

[silver69camaro]

I love big brakes and all, but I have to ask: why? It takes a huge amount of energy to properly heat up 15" rotors that you'll NEVER see on the street or even some decent track usage. On Art's '60 Vette, he had a heck of a time getting enough heat into the brakes for them to work properly.

You can get unbelievable braking power with a set of properly vented 13 or 14" rotors and good pads. More than you'll ever need, AND you'll wear the pads less along with greatly reducing rotating mass.

IMO anyway.

[chicane67]

It takes a huge amount of energy to properly heat up 15" rotors that you'll NEVER see on the street or even some decent track usage. On Art's '60 Vette, he had a heck of a time getting enough heat into the brakes for them to work properly.


...Just crossdrill and slot the piss out of 'em. That will solve that problem...