20" and 18" on 68 Camaro pics ?

[1981silverz28]

I have a friend that has a 68 Camaro with DSE mini tubes and wants to run 20/18 combo .Does anyone have pics of this setup? If so please post.Thanks

[Boesch]

The Intro Camaro is 18/20 combo. All 100% stock (73,000 original mile, original top and interior) so only running 8's on the back. You can see the pic in my signature. There are some others on our website as well.

Dustin

[Boesch]

Here's a few photos.

[Orngcrush69]

Yuk!

[Boesch]

Yuk!

That's why this sport is awesome....everyone has their own opinion. Some love it, some hate it.

[wrkcar]

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[gmjj13]

i think the 19/20 looks much better than the 18/20. too much difference for me with the 18/20 combo.

personally, anything over a 19 is too much for me...

[1FstChevy]

I second the YUK!

18/19 is more attractive if your bent on staggering and don't want the slightly "bigger" tire look you still get with 17"s.

The only people I've met in person that put 20"s on their classic are more of pro-touring "posers" than anything else, and look like high school kids who should have a civic instead :barf: Sad thing is most people with the biggin wheels are in their 30s and 40s but I guess I'm just a youngin that knows better (and understands physics :) )

Now while I still don't agree that 20"s look good on any classic that has wheel wells smaller than those larger diameter wheels, I think it is still possible to "pull them off" on the largest of the old cars such as Impalas, a few Mopars and so forth but not on the mid-size Camaros.

[Orngcrush69]

Thank you 1FstChevy!
I think people like this are loosing the point of the Pro-Touring website. This site is for STOP, GO with a bit of SHOW. What's next 22 Dubs. I'd like to know how someone with 18/20s, with drums on the rear handles on a 90deg turn doing 65mph+.

[Boesch]

Thank you 1FstChevy!
I think people like this are loosing the point of the Pro-Touring website. This site is for STOP, GO with a bit of SHOW. What's next 22 Dubs. I'd like to know how someone with 18/20s, with drums on the rear handles on a 90deg turn doing 65mph+.

Not bashing you or arguing, but just throwing this out there for thought. What about Bob Johnson's G-Force Cuda running 19/20's? Do you think that the new ZR1 corvette running 19/20 combo isn't going to be able to corner? What about the Ford GT running 18/19? Are those cars being posers? If that performance can come from a poser, then sign me up. Just because someone likes the looks of bigger diameters doesn't mean that their car won't handle well if they put them on. It will be a bit of a sacrifice, (you can't change physics) but then again what fun is a car is you don't make it how you like it. Like I said above, this sport is all about personal preference and enjoyment. It would be pretty boring if we all went to a show and our cars were all identical. But I totally agree about the rear drum brakes.

[CarlC]

Those cars were designed from the beginning to run those tire and rim combinations. Most of ours are not. Suspension and tire design should be chosen as a matched set in order to achieve the builders or designers goals.

I have driven 15's, 16's, 17's, and a 20/18 combo on slalom courses using the same car and suspension. The 20/18 was, for me, not optimal. There was little warning at max turning that the back end was going to break loose. The 17's have been the best but I believe that a good set of 18's with a reasonable sidewall would also work very well.

Somewhere in the archives are some pics of mine with the 18/20 combo.

[Boesch]

I'd agree with you Carl. A sixty something camaro was not designed to run with them when it left the factory 40 years ago. If the builder and designer wants his sixty something camaro to perform well with big wheels, it's most certainly possible, but must be taken into consideration from day one with suspension design. That's why I mentioned Johnson's cuda. Taking an older car and implementing the advancements in suspension design to make it handle well. I understand that for a lot of guys a 17 or 18 is going to be more optimal (and not all of us have a budget like Bob). But in the same boat, a guy that puts 20's on his car can still be pro-touring as well, as long as the car was designed in the proper way. I'll be the first to admit that those cars are far and few, with most of the larger diameters going on posers. Taking a stocker and putting a set of airbags on it and a set of 20's doesn't count as protouring. Not everyone necessarily wants to be pro-touring though either. To each his own as long as their having fun, then it's cool.

[class67]

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1st off...this looks nice!

[class67]

Not bashing you or arguing, but just throwing this out there for thought. What about Bob Johnson's G-Force Cuda running 19/20's? Do you think that the new ZR1 corvette running 19/20 combo isn't going to be able to corner? What about the Ford GT running 18/19? Are those cars being posers? If that performance can come from a poser, then sign me up. Just because someone likes the looks of bigger diameters doesn't mean that their car won't handle well if they put them on. It will be a bit of a sacrifice, (you can't change physics) but then again what fun is a car is you don't make it how you like it. Like I said above, this sport is all about personal preference and enjoyment. It would be pretty boring if we all went to a show and our cars were all identical. But I totally agree about the rear drum brakes.

second...very well put:hail:

[Orngcrush69]

Boesch,
Carl already made my argument about design. Thanks for your last post...you made my point for me. Most of us out here are...penny jar to low budget builders. That's why this site used to kick butt, it showed us how to have a bad ass car with less money. Your saying " I understand that for a lot of guys a 17 or 18 is going to be more optimal (and not all of us have a budget like Bob). But in the same boat, a guy that puts 20's on his car can still be pro-touring as well, as long as the car was designed in the proper way. I'll be the first to admit that those cars are far and few, with most of the larger diameters going on posers.

[1FstChevy]

Eh, I still disagree... if you speak to the engineers of the C6 Corvette including the ZR1 and so forth, or the standard wheels on Porsche 997s being 19"s they essentially say that although the cars were engineered with these wheel weights and diameters in mind they would still potentially perform better when not surpassing an 18" diameter, but of course the main reason being if they didn't +1" or +2" their production wheels then they would lose market share to those auto manufacturers that do, now half the cars with 20"s such as the Audi A8 aren't sole performance automobiles but at least the size of their wheel wells meshes with the larger diameter wheels/tires unlike the clowny classic cars I'm sad to see emergering lately...

Oh and of course everyone on here is aware that discs are superior, but the most retarded thing I've seen regarding wheels/brakes was last summer a late 20s something guy with a Cutlass convertible with 20" wheels, new disc brakes in the back, and new DRUMS yes DRUMS in the front! and I heard him describing his superior braking philosophy to an equally sad on looker, meanwhile my buddies and I were baffled at this extreme level of un-intelligence

[colt zantop]

that blue camaro with 19/20 combo looks KILLER!!!!!

[1offwizard]

I really enjoy seeing big wheels on old cars if the car is low enough. There are a lot of things about a lot of cars that I dislike, but thankfully my mom instilled enough tact in me to give me the ability to keep my opinions to myself if they are downgrading or bashing another persons idea of "cool". Here is a pic I found on this site of 18's and 20's although they are on a '69.

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[1offwizard]

And by the way, I'm a "poser" so my opinion doesn't really count anyway!

[muthstryker]

I gusse im a poser too, time to sell the ol goat and build a civic and show the guy whos boss :)

[CRead01]

I am kinda suprised about this thread. There are such a wide variety of cars on this website and such a wide variety of opinions but just because you like something doesn't make it right or wrong. no where in the first post did it say that this guy is going to go racing and is looking for optimal performance. saying that 20 inch wheels are a bad choice just means it is a bad choice for you. not everyone else. There are a couple of pics on this thread that prove you can pull it off with the right stance.

[68Formula]

I am kinda suprised about this thread. There are such a wide variety of cars on this website and such a wide variety of opinions but just because you like something doesn't make it right or wrong. no where in the first post did it say that this guy is going to go racing and is looking for optimal performance. saying that 20 inch wheels are a bad choice just means it is a bad choice for you. not everyone else. There are a couple of pics on this thread that prove you can pull it off with the right stance.

It's not really surprising when you look at the history. The name of the site is pro-touring.com. Yes there are a number of cars here with big wheels and a slammed stance, but that was not the point to Pro-Touring when it came about. Pro Touring is balanced function over form. The idea was to have a car that could handle track duties and have decent street manners. Aesthetics is not ignored, but still secondary to function.

We didn’t put big wheels on our cars because it looked good. We did it to clear the suspension so we could run deeper backspacing for wider wheels and improved scrub radius. We did it to clear the larger brakes. We did it because it reduced the sidewall which to a point improves handling and control. We did it because it offered a wider availability of newer tire technology that was harder to find in stock-diameter wheels. We didn’t lower the suspension just because it looked good. We did it to lower the center of gravity and slightly improve aerodynamics. We installed modern engines/trans and/or engine/trans controls because it improved reliability and street manners while retaining performance. Not because it’s cool to see a non-original engine swap. That was the essence of Pro-Touring.

Now we have the builders who push the limits because it gets attention. We also have wheel sponsors that make more profit the bigger the wheel. That coupled with the “well if some is good, more is better” idea and now there are people joining that aren’t Pro Touring, but “Show Touring.” Street Rods cloaked in Musclecar clothing. It’s likened to the “Pro-Street” cars that came about after it hit the peak. Pro-Street was born out of racing with fat tires and big sidewall, and 4-link suspensions for racing. Then came along the Show-Street cars with similar setups, but no rollbars, tunnel rams on nearly stock engines, heck some retained a front wheel drive configuration.

So where some see beauty, others see the basic function over form violated. Practicality compromised. Doesn’t fit the essence. The people who joined for what it was, and the people joining now for what it is perceived to be. Remember too, for Pro Tourers it can be frustrating because people outside of the theme are now lumping them in with the Show-Tourers. The perception is we are all the same, and that is not true. And since both sides are claiming their spots on this board, there will always be some level of conflict.

Hopefully that clears it up.

BTW, Tony Huntimers book might be a good read for further understanding.

[Orngcrush69]

amcmike, you read my mind