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steve671
01-02-2008, 07:20 PM
With regard to a 1969 Camaro, if it says X-11 on the cowl tag does that nessessarily mean it is a SS?
If not, does this mean anything important?
Thanks

dropit69
01-02-2008, 07:23 PM
no x11 is a style trim group..not a ss.. here a site that will help decode all info on camaros.. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml click on cowl tag and go down tword bottom it will tell you what the codes mean..x11 is really common on alot of camaros..

jannes_z-28
01-02-2008, 09:18 PM
X11 can be a SS350 but it is not certain. Only about 10% of the X11 cars was SS350.

To verify it as a SS350 there are items on the car that needs to be checked. One such thing is that SS cars had discbrakes.

It is easier to say what it isn't. It is not a Z/28, SS396 or a Pace Car.


Jan

steve671
01-02-2008, 09:39 PM
Thanks a lot.
Guy says the car does not have discs but claims it is supposed to because it has a porportioning valve.
He says it has a 10 bolt non posi and multi leafs. Sounds like a non SS, I am going to check out that link. Thanks again.

Nine Ball
01-02-2008, 09:52 PM
All SS cars had the 12-bolt and front disks. The proportioning valve is located on the side of the subframe, on the driver's side just under the floorpan area.

Another tell-tale sign is the dual exhaust hangers which should be factory present, above the rear axle.

steve671
01-02-2008, 10:05 PM
The proportioning valve is located on the side of the subframe, on the driver's side just under the floorpan area.


Thank you. Should this be the only proportioning valve, or should there be another one below the master cylinder?

Mr.VENGEANCE
01-02-2008, 10:07 PM
"is it an SS?"

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jannes_z-28
01-02-2008, 10:12 PM
All SS cars had the 12-bolt and front disks. The proportioning valve is located on the side of the subframe, on the driver's side just under the floorpan area.

Another tell-tale sign is the dual exhaust hangers which should be factory present, above the rear axle.


There are documented SS350 with 10-bolt, if they had a PowerGlide transmission they could get a 10-bolt. Not very common but they do exist.


Jan

David Pozzi
01-02-2008, 10:20 PM
I have a 67 SS with manual steering, manual drum brakes, 12 bolt, and mono leaf springs with the RH traction link. But CRG says for 1969 discs were required on an SS, multi leaf and 12 bolt would come on a 69 SS350.
Here's a handy chart of options: http://www.camaros.org/diffs69.shtml

steve671
01-02-2008, 10:24 PM
ok. I got the cowl tag info:
ST6912437NOR346700BDY
TR7115757PNT
06A X11

With the small quantities of exceptions with the options, is there any way to know for sure either way?

jannes_z-28
01-02-2008, 10:29 PM
Discs were not required on an SS. I have a 67 SS with manual steering, manual drum brakes, 12 bolt, and mono leaf springs with the RH traction link. I'm pretty sure that 1969 was the same, except by then multi leaf and 12 bolt would come on a SS350.

David, you are right about the 67. It wasn't required for the 68 either. But for 1969 modelyear it was an required option for SS cars.


Jan

jannes_z-28
01-02-2008, 10:34 PM
ok. I got the cowl tag info:
ST6912437NOR346700BDY
TR7115757PNT
06A X11

With the small quantities of exceptions with the options, is there any way to know for sure either way?

Trimtag says:
Built in Norwood, Ohio Bodynumber 346700
Tr 711, Stadard black vinyl interior
57 57, Fathom Green paint
06A, Built in First week of June 1969
X11, well that has been discussed in earlier posts of this thread.


Not much information to go on but that was all GM provided back then.

Jan

steve671
01-02-2008, 10:49 PM
Trimtag says:
Built in Norwood, Ohio Bodynumber 346700
Tr 711, Stadard black vinyl interior
57 57, Fathom Green paint
06A, Built in First week of June 1969
X11, well that has been discussed in earlier posts of this thread.


Not much information to go on but that was all GM provided back then.

Jan

Thanks Jan. So is there no way to know for sure if this is or is not a real SS.

I am thinking it is not because of the drum brakes, 10 bolt, lack of proportioning valve at the subframe and rareness of the option.

68Formula
01-03-2008, 11:11 AM
I thought X-11 meant it was a Chevy Citation. :razz:

steve671
01-03-2008, 11:41 AM
So I went and looked at the car today and also noticed that the front sway bar was very small (1/2inch or 5/8 at the most). I don't know if this is another indication that it is not an SS.
This in addition to the other things leads me to believe that this is not an SS. Also, this car was way more rusted than the guy led me to believe; so I am going to pass on this one and keep looking.
Thanks again for all of the help.

Bob Johnson
01-03-2008, 07:43 PM
If you feel the outside of the frame on the drivers side rear wheel well there is an about 1 1/2" square reinforcement patch welded to the outside of the frame to reinforce where the exhaust hangar attaches. It's only on dual exhaust cars. Z-28's, SS's all have it..

osdmike
01-04-2008, 05:16 AM
Also notice that you should have at least a 300hp/350ci engine in a SS. (1969) (If You still have the original engine block)

L48 , L35 , L34 , L78 , L89
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml

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http://www.chevymania.com/

"PARTS ID"

Scroll to : "SUFFIX CODES" down left.

steve671
01-05-2008, 05:17 PM
Thanks for the additional info.

WS6
01-06-2008, 06:13 PM
since we are talking about these 69 cars, is it not correct that the SS cars were the horse power cars and the rally sports the stripes/hideaway lights with some handling? Then the Z28 was even better handling?

This stems from Steve's comment about the small front sway bar on this supposed SS car. I was thinking that at SS could easily come with a crappy suspension since SS was not a suspension package.

Thanks guys.

JEFFTATE
01-16-2008, 02:29 PM
since we are talking about these 69 cars, is it not correct that the SS cars were the horse power cars and the rally sports the stripes/hideaway lights with some handling? Then the Z28 was even better handling?

This stems from Steve's comment about the small front sway bar on this supposed SS car. I was thinking that at SS could easily come with a crappy suspension since SS was not a suspension package.

Thanks guys.

'69 Rally Sport Cars had a lot a trim options. ( Hideaway headlights , headlight washers , deluxe chrome exterior trim , etc.. ) Not necessarily disc brakes or suspension improvements.

'69 SS cars had performance options like 350 hi-po or 396 hi-po engines and associated transmissions and rearends to go with them. and disc brakes.

The Z/28 option was a 302 hi-po engine , 4-speed manual, 12 bolt rearend, and suspension upgrades too.

63SW
01-25-2008, 08:51 AM
I have 4 X-11 69 camaro's here at home right now so maybe i can give you a little help.

1 is a Convertable and 3 are hardtops.

X-11 CAN BE ONE OF 2 CARS :
A SS-350 , Yes , it should be a 350-300HP eng.
Auto or 4 speed .
it could possibly have a 10 bolt.
Multi leaf springs
DISC BRAKES ONLY - not sure but sounds right.
dual exhaust.
I THINK THAT THE SS CARS HAD A 3/8 fuel line as well but not 100% on that.
Other BASE MODELS had a 5/16 fuel line.

OR

A ( BASE CAMARO ) WITH Z21 - STYLE TRIM GROUP.
this trim includes , Chrome trim around the headlight bexels and the rear tail light bezels , Chrome drip rail moldings , louvered side moldings , rocker moldings, and wheel well moldings .


A BUILD SHEET IS THE ONLY REAL WAY TO BE SURE ...
Almost 40 years down the road now , SO MANY CHANGES AND SWAPS over the years have made it hard to be sure.
theres more Z28s , SS and rallys out there thatn there ever was !

YOU ALMOST NEVER SEE JUST A PLAIN JANE 69 CAMARO ANYMORE !!!


pictures are of the 4 different cars.
One is John Cavins -out of KY , a memeber on here that i am doing all the sheetmetal work for him at this time.
Johns putting a lot of time and detail into the parts and building of his car and it should be a real beauty when finished.
He should be picking up the body in the next month from me and then bringing back for paint & assembly once the chassis is bolted back up.

SEE YA SOON JOHN !

osdmike
01-25-2008, 09:56 AM
If the car had disk brakes in the front from the factory ,I think there should be drilled holes in he back of the upper A-arms.
I couldnīt find any on my car , but two of my friends SS Camaros had them.
The brake hose support on my car was welded to the subframe.

http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#aarms
Scroll to:
Front Suspension - A-Arms

"........basic part, but there were two holes added to the trailing side of the a-arm for mounting a support for the brake hose. ......."