Who'll be the first to put these brakes on their project??

[BuddyP]

??? 15.5" :worship:

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[matthimself456]

Well it happened. You can now go to a Chevy dealer and buy a car with brakes bigger than my wheels.

[rocketman]

looks like a carbon fiber rotor to, wow thats gone cost a load to replace

[BuddyP]

Carbon ceramic

front pads cover 148 sq. cm of suface area.... Z06 front pads cover 70 sq. cm

[70TWO NOVA]

GM has officially gone insane!!......I love it!

[Apogee]

The 15" rears are pretty nice too. Can't wait to see pricing and availability...should be a doozy.

[70camaro406]

That brake setup (rotors/calipers) probably cost more than my car is worth. :confused: :rolleyes:

[dannyho]

does anyone actually have a number for the cost of those. I did some googling to found that companies are trying to drop the price on carbon ceramic rotors by changing manufacturing methods, and for some cars have brought it down to ~$500 (per rotor), but for which cars or where to get them it did not say. Not that i'm in the market, but it does raise an eyebrow, they're gorgeous (from an engineer's eye)

[70 Chevelle]

I wish I could silkscreen that piture onto a piece of wallpaper large enough to cover a wall in my garage.

[Damn True]

You'll need to run 20" rims to do it. In which case....not me. IMO 20's look goofy on a musclecar.

[hectore3]

The best bang for the buck would be carbon replacement C5/6 rotors for us on a budget.

[gmjj13]

You'll need to run 20" rims to do it. In which case....not me. IMO 20's look goofy on a musclecar.

i agree with the goofy comment, but it looks like 285/30ZR19's on the ZR1.

[Todds69]

Man those things are insane.

[z4me69]

its not just the brakes on that thing thats insane. it's the whole car finaly gm is waking up verry slowly but at least they are proving that they might be listening.

[1FstChevy]

This thread is great... I had actually thought of posting this last night since I've been reading about the ZR1 over the past few days.

As much as I envy those brakes they'll require at least 19"s which would cut into the performance and looks of my otherwise performance-oriented Camaro so I'll have to pass as far as retrofitting them. BUT! I may consider mounting them up to a new Z06!!! I'm already ogling the ZR1 but I read that with the softer magnetic ride control suspension and the horsepower increase, Chevrolet is aiming to achieve more of a "streetable super-car" kinda thing over that of the Z06 which is more competition oriented. Soo although thats all well and good for the capturing the higher-end exotic market, I think I'll still aim for the Z06, which if I'm correct will still be the only one in the lineup with the Dry-Sump oil system right??? or are they utilizing that on the new 6.2 LS9 as well?

I'm currently on the "Hybrid" train as they're calling it but the best my brakes will get will be the addition of the C6 Z06 Calipers and perhaps replacing the 14" and 13.5" Rotors with the Carbon-Ceramic type! :) Speaking of which, does anyone know of a website or manufacturer who makes these yet? I've heard enough complaints about the OEM C6 Z06 rotors cracking, or minor things like the single-directional vanes which face backwards on one side of the car.

[TBART70]

I read in AutoWeek that the rears were from the front of an Enzo and the fronts were also sourced from a Ferrari supplier.

[dannyho]

As much as I envy those brakes they'll require at least 19"s which would cut into the performance and looks of my otherwise performance-oriented Camaro so I'll have to pass as far as retrofitting them. BUT! I may consider mounting them up to a new Z06!!!

does anyone know how the weight savings of these actually compares to say 13.5" steel rotors? If it's a big enough difference, it may well reduce te rotating mass (and moment of inertia) enough that the difference between 17s or 18s with 13.5 inch steel brakes and 19s with these would be a wash (or an improvement)
now I don't expect anyone to have any actual numbers, but maybe someone has some idea.

I've always wanted to see a comparison of inertia values for the rotating mass, something I plan on doing with my brakes and tires when i get that far. It's not hard to do, just a little math and some physics.

[1FstChevy]

does anyone know how the weight savings of these actually compares to say 13.5" steel rotors? If it's a big enough difference, it may well reduce te rotating mass (and moment of inertia) enough that the difference between 17s or 18s with 13.5 inch steel brakes and 19s with these would be a wash (or an improvement)

now I don't expect anyone to have any actual numbers, but maybe someone has some idea.

I've always wanted to see a comparison of inertia values for the rotating mass, something I plan on doing with my brakes and tires when i get that far. It's not hard to do, just a little math and some physics.
Well theoretically you could achieve a lighter wheel/tire/rotor combo in a 19" than in an 18" but the same can be said for any other +1 change depending on the parts your using.

Without going into great detail, my basic schooling is that on our older cars, having smaller wheel wells of course, with a 19" require a smaller side profile ratio say 25 which in itself is less performance/track friendly than a 295/35/18 for example. Now of course on larger cars such as a Chevelle you can adapt 19"s or 20"s so they don't look all that goofy and still have a "performance" tire thicker than a rubber band, but from that standpoint if you've found a light-weight combo your better off finding that same setup in an 18" which would be less weight than the 19"s or 20"s while retaining a comfortable tire size and OEM outside diameter.

Swapping out steel rotors for the same in a carbon-ceramic type is a great idea though! I know a few local guys who think they are doing themselves a favor by purchasing the lightweight 14" steel rotors for their Z06s so they're roughly 17lbs a rotor instead of 24lbs when all they're doing is lowering the amount of heat their rotors can absorb on the track further contributing to brake fade, but you probably already know that. However, those guys seem to think the lessened effectiveness of their brakes is more than offset by their marginal reduction in rotating mass, to allow them to accelerate faster? But thats whats so great about the Ceramic rotors, since they'll absorb just as much heat and disapate it more effectivly keeping those calipers cool and in better working order under demanding conditions! :) So just since you mentioned 13.5" rotors above, or lets say 13.4" for the sake of the C6 Z51 rotors that some people use, you'd be better off snatching those up in a Ceramic rotor and sticking with an 18" wheel than going after an overall larger outer diameter with a 19 or 20".

I've read a few articles stating how 18"s are essentially the best performance diameter when you weigh-in handling, brakes, tires etc from a physics/inertia standpoint as well. Although I'm sure that could be argued as F1 cars sure as heck don't wear 18"s. From the same arena I've read that new car manufacturers such as Porsche or Audi (who has OEM 20"s on a few sedans) could actually benefit marginally from having 18"s over that of which they mount on them from the factory, but of course looks are half the selling point especially with high-end cars so they engineer around it or up the brakes too offset the difference. But I'd agree as much as the next guy that 19"s on a new 997 911 look better than 18"s and the post-factory built models like the TechArt 911's with 20"s also look pretty nice!

Did I say without going into detail? Heh o well gotta love brakes n such :worship: .... although half of that constitutes one of these from where the thread began > :offtopic:

[Damn True]

A very passionate and not too far out in left field observation from a guy named Terry Fair on CC.com:


Don't lose sight of the Z06 - its still the hard core model in the line-up!
There are just so many things just done on the ZR1 for the sake of bragging rights (aka: to better "Dodge", which is a joke of a manufacturer), and not for real performance reasons. I think someone at GM has "lost their way".
What GM has in the Z06 was something spectacular, well priced, technologically superior, and world beating when compared to cars costing even 2-3X its price. Now if they could have just taken a cue from the GT3 and taken the FLUFF and LUXURY out of the Z06... THAT would have been showing the world they mean business. A "C6R" for the street! Not this... 20" wheeled pimpwagon monstrosity that will surely "get them on magazine covers" and be the wet dream of every 16 year old, but will rarely if ever see any real racing use. This is more of a... "Hennessy'd Corvette". :rolleyes:
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A "GT3" version of the Z06... or an ACR version... lighter, amped up, louder, stripped down... woooweee! :cool: That would be a seller, and an image booster (the right image). They could have put in the racing bucket seats, a streetable cage, lost the A/C and HUD and bling bling 19" fookin wheels, gone with a lighter (maybe CF or Ceramic) 6 piston version of the already-stupendous 14" Z06 brakes, put wider/lighter 18" wheels all around, and sold it with R compound DOT tires (to ensure it would break every magazine test record imaginable), dropped 200 pounds (instead of GAINED 200!) and charged an extra $25K... and they would have sold every one they could make.
That would have allowed "Corvette" to have stepped further away from the gold chain sporting track suit clad stereotypical over-the-top-for-style-sake Corvette owner image... instead they made this ZR1 thing, which had an unholy coupling with that image. :mad:

[1FstChevy]

Good Post!!!! Thats exactly what I was thinking once I read into the ZR1 and what I mentioned earlier that I've read concerning softy options like magnetic ride control on the ZR1 and such, to quote myself :attn:
Chevrolet is aiming to achieve more of a "streetable super-car" kinda thing over that of the Z06 which is more competition oriented. I strongly agree with that fellow that a stripped down Z06 version would be more appropriate, especially from a competition standpoint, and to correct him it would be comparable to a GT3**RS** as the RS sub-model is the one with the body colored roll cage and features such as standard Alcantara upholstry on the steering wheel and shifter, which is one option I'd LOVE to see on the Corvette, but I'll still shoot for 2 seats, gotta have one left for a purdy lady after all.

Heres to you Z06 :usa:

[Apogee]

Movit makes ceramic brake kits for a lot of applications. Not cheap by any means, but rotors designed to be flogged for 100k miles plus have a certain appeal.

http://www.movit.de/rahmen/ceramic.htm