Interesting new Wilwood kits [Archive]

ProdigyCustoms

12-09-2007, 09:01 AM

We now have the perfect tweaner kit between our 2 most popular brake packages, 12.2 Dynalite (4) piston packages, and the high end 13" (6) piston Superlite packages. The 13" (6) piston kit are twice the money of the smaller 12.2" (4) piston Dynalite kits. Besides the big price difference, the (4) piston 12.2" kits are very popular because they clear all 17" wheels with no problems, and the bigger kits may not depending on the wheel.

We are happy to announce we now have (6) piston Superlite 12.2" kits that price wise fall right in between the (4) piston Dynalite 12.2" kits and (6) piston Superlite 13" kits. these exciting new kits provide all the increased clamping power of the larger caliper and pad, the all important bling, with less expense and better wheel clearance for even 17" wheels!

So base Total Car Brake Packages using 12.2" rotors front and rear and (4) piston Dynalite Calipers are base price at $1750, Add (6) piston Superlight front calipers, add $400 and for $2150 you can have a awesome (6) piston / (4) piston 12.2" front and rear Total Car brake Package which includes:

Kits include:

Front and Rear Wilwood Kits
New front Hubs
3 pints Wilwood DOT 4 high temp Brake Fluid
Front Braided Brake Hoses
Rear Braided Brake Hose
E brake Cables for Internal E Brakes
Master Cylinder
Adjustable Proportioning Valve
We even include Safety Wire and Safety Wire Pliers for proper 2 piece rotor assembly

Todds69

12-09-2007, 09:17 AM

So for the new "Tweaner" package is has 2 piece front and rear rotors (12.2") 6 piston front 4 piston rear, all the hardware and master cylinder for $2150. If so that is a sweet deal.

Is that a Willwood MC?
How much for colored caliper?

Thanks

SHANE 73Z

12-09-2007, 11:47 AM

Frank,

To make these kits, are new brackets & calipers being added to existing kits to get the desired package? For a second gen f-body, will the rotors bolt directly to the front hub or do they use a separate hub & hat?

I would really love to see a Wilwood arrangement that uses the 12.2" rotors front (1.25")/rear (1.00") thick with Superlites in the rear & SL6 in the front.

Thanks,
Shane

ProdigyCustoms

12-09-2007, 11:56 AM

On the 12.2" kits, The front rotors are 2 piece, the rears are one piece. We paint the hat and they look perfect.

On all 13" and 14" rears, the rotors are 2 piece

Base Total Car Brake Package including 12.2" front Dynalite / 12.2" rear Dynalite is $1750

12.2" front Superlite (6) piston option + $400

12.2" rear Superlite (6) piston upgrade + $400

13" front upgrade from Dynalite 12.2" kit is + $800, from 12.2 Superlite kit is + $400

13" rear upgrade from Dynalite 12.2" kit is + $800, from 12.2 Superlite kit is + $400

14" front upgrade from Superlite 13" Superlite kit is + $200

14" rear upgrade from Superlite 13" Superlite kit is + $200

The Wilwood master is a option, + $140

Red, blue, silver, yellow or polish Dynalite calipers are + $180

Red, blue, silver, yellow or polish Superlite calipers are + $260

Drilled and slotted rotors are + $200

7" polished stainless dual diaphram booster is + $160

ProdigyCustoms

12-09-2007, 11:59 AM

Shane, The front caliper brackets are special. We swap the front calipers and brackets in the kit. The 12.2" kit is now available for 2nd gen and uses the .81 rotor. We can do Superlight front and rear on 12.2", (6) piston Superlite front / (4) piston Superlite rear.

HEMIDAYTONA

12-09-2007, 02:29 PM

lot of +'s there:lol:

ProdigyCustoms

12-09-2007, 03:27 PM

lot of +'s there:lol:

Yeah, lots of options for sure. But the cool thing about these kits is when you get to the top of the mountain with a Ultimate Total Car Brake Package 14" (6) piston Superlite Front / 14" (4) piston Superlite rear, colored calipers, drilled / slotted, billet master, E brake cable, braided hoses, fluid, tools, bla, bla, bla. You are just barely north of $4000 which is a screamin deal for such awesome brakes.

Skip Fix

12-09-2007, 03:58 PM

So Frank is the 12.2 a hat on top of a hub or the same adapter/rotor that bolts to the hub as the Dynalite kit uses?
Easy to adapt the 4 piston Superlite on the front for a little less $ and smaller size?

ProdigyCustoms

12-09-2007, 04:01 PM

We use a Dynalite kit and adapt the Superlite caliper with a bracket. the (4) piston Superlite is the same cost as a (6) piston Superlite.

Skip Fix

12-10-2007, 08:46 AM

Cool! Are there thicker 12.2 rotors to adapt also?

ProdigyCustoms

12-10-2007, 08:13 PM

Waiting for the answer to that question Skip

$Mike70Z-28

12-10-2007, 11:40 PM

can we see pics

ProdigyCustoms

12-11-2007, 06:11 AM

can we see pics

No, I do not have them yet, LOL! Coming soon, maybe today.

zero g

12-11-2007, 09:17 AM

Availability for MOPARS? Specifically 73+ A-body front and 8.75 rear. Thanks

6'9"Witha69

12-11-2007, 09:23 AM

Cool! Are there thicker 12.2 rotors to adapt also?Wilwodd has thicker rotors (1.25") in the 12.19" diameter with the same bolt pattern as the other rotors of the same dia. The issue though is that the rotors bolt to the outside of the hub which pushes the caliper 0.44" toward the wheel which effectively reduces caliper to spoke clearance. I have researched myself aSs I have the old 12.19x.81 package up front and have wanted even just thicker rotors. It would take more than a rotor swap and thicker bridge in the caliper though.

ProdigyCustoms

12-11-2007, 09:40 AM

Availability for MOPARS? Specifically 73+ A-body front and 8.75 rear. Thanks

Exactly what year, make , model? there will not be a 12.2", but we may have 11.75 stuff.

1BDBUICK

12-11-2007, 10:33 AM

Will the rear kit fit a GM 10 - bolt?

Skip Fix

12-11-2007, 01:30 PM

Nick I thought I saw in their cataolg some rotors that have the same bolt pattern as the adapter ring so they would be close and maybe just need spacers to move the caliper on the bracket.

ProdigyCustoms

12-11-2007, 02:16 PM

Will the rear kit fit a GM 10 - bolt?

Yes they will.

6'9"Witha69

12-11-2007, 03:08 PM

Nick I thought I saw in their cataolg some rotors that have the same bolt pattern as the adapter ring so they would be close and maybe just need spacers to move the caliper on the bracket.The same as the adpter, yes. They will bolt together, I am not arguing that. I was incorrect on the direction though. It would require the caliper to be moved 0.44" inboard, and the bracket in the kit cannot work without that much in spacers. THen you run into leverage on the bolts that holt the caliper to the bracket.

Frank, does Wilwood have a way to adapt the 12.19x1.25 rotors to the 140-7675 kits? I ask because originally they didn't have these kits. I had to get a 140-2285 (10.75"x0.81" rotors) and buy a new adapter ring, caliper brackets and a couple more bolts. The thicker rotors would be much better for fade resistance.

ProdigyCustoms

12-12-2007, 11:58 AM

Here is the 12.2" Superlite

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

protour73

12-12-2007, 12:46 PM

for you 12bolt guys..............make darn sure, that if you have staggered shocks like I have on my Moser 12bolt for my 73(2nd gen Camaro)....that you specify, if nobody asks you, when you order your Wilwood Brakes.

I failed to do this, when ordering through Frank and now I have to do some back stroking and spend more $$$, as my driver side shock will not go on (caliper is in the way). I talked to Justin at Wilwood's Tech Support and will have to buy a new bracket for my driver side rear brake kit. Just trying to help someone else out, so you don't go through the same thing.

Other wise, these kits go on VERY easily.

BTW...one last thought...my kit was w/ parking brake too!!!

thedugan

12-12-2007, 02:42 PM

Thanks I'll be in that boat. What is part number on the bracket?

protour73

12-12-2007, 03:00 PM

Thanks I'll be in that boat. What is part number on the bracket?

for my application, it was 250-9316. Not sure if this is available from anyone outside of Wilwood, I got that part number from their Tech Support dept.

It clocks the caliper forward (towards front of car), and moves the parking brake cable to the rear.

ProdigyCustoms

12-12-2007, 03:51 PM

Whoa guys. Don't go buying anything. All you have to do is rotate the bracket. The holes on the backing plate are semetrical.

$Mike70Z-28

12-12-2007, 10:46 PM

frank can we see pics of the 4 piston , rotor .and bracket for a 70 camaro to see if it will mount easy thanks mike

protour73

12-13-2007, 06:54 AM

Whoa guys. Don't go buying anything. All you have to do is rotate the bracket. The holes on the backing plate are semetrical.

not true Frank. Here is my application, Moser 12bolt(staggered shocks) Wilwood 4 piston rear brakes w/parking brake. (check back in your records for the exact Wilwood kit #, as I got them through you guys).

You can't just switch the bracket forward.....the lever that actuates the parking brake, needs to pull forward, and simply swapping the parking brake cable bracket and caliper mounting bracket, will not accomplish this. So, I am forced to purchase a new parking brake mechanism for the left(driver) side, so that the caliper gets clocked forward and is not interfering with the shock mounting position. and a different cable bracket is incorporated. This is according to Justin at Wilwood's Sales/Tech Support department.

ProdigyCustoms

12-13-2007, 08:03 AM

Here is the official response from Wilwood

To Dustin burr, Wilwood brakes

To make a 140-7141 into a 140-9315, do I use a 250-9316 bracket. And if so, what is my cost?

From Dustin Burr

Actually all you do is rotate the caliper bracket on the drum brake backing plate. The holes on the drum brake backing plate are symmetrical, so rotate everything 180 degrees.

DB

I will forward this again to Wilwood. if it turns out you need a bracket, I will pay for it.

ProdigyCustoms

12-13-2007, 08:05 AM

frank can we see pics of the 4 piston , rotor .and bracket for a 70 camaro to see if it will mount easy thanks mike

Here is the instructions for the Wilwood kit

http://www.wilwood.org/ds480.pdf

protour73

12-13-2007, 09:36 AM

Here is the instructions for the Wilwood kit

http://www.wilwood.org/ds480.pdf

Frank...that link is for the front brakes, this is not covered in installation instructions for the rear brakes

ProdigyCustoms

12-13-2007, 10:18 AM

Rear stagger

http://www.wilwood.com/PDF/ds540.pdf

protour73

12-13-2007, 11:19 AM

Frank, thanks for getting in on this one.........let me know what Wilwood says.....maybe they can explain the dual information.

79TransAm

12-13-2007, 03:54 PM

so let me just make sure im understanding everything, i can get a 13" kit with 13" 2 piece rotors front/rear for $3400 ready to bolt onto my 79 t/a that will clear my 18x9.5 +57mm offset and 18x10.5 +58mm offset? If so im totally down for a kit once im on that stage of my resto mod.

ProdigyCustoms

12-13-2007, 04:08 PM

No, there a 13" kit for the 2nd gen cars yet. The 13" stuff is for 1st gen cars. However, we developed a kit for Michael's Monte Carlo, and we are sending our bracket to Wilwood for review. if they approve the Monte Carlo brcket, we will be able to do kits for 79-81 TAs

thedugan

12-13-2007, 05:14 PM

Frank, I also have the 140-7141dr kit. I'm going to assemble it all this weekend so I'll let you know if there are any issues. Doug

staged67gspwr

12-13-2007, 06:33 PM

frank i have 12.19 front and rear 2 pice hat for a 70 camaro i want to up grade the clipers howmuch will it be and if you can show pics 6 piston 4 piston thanks mike

ProdigyCustoms

12-13-2007, 06:45 PM

Goerge, the 6 piston is at the top of this page. the 4 piston Superlite caliper looks exactly like the 6 piston. I am waiting on bracket pricing for existing system upgrades.

ProdigyCustoms

12-13-2007, 06:47 PM

Frank, I also have the 140-7141dr kit. I'm going to assemble it all this weekend so I'll let you know if there are any issues. Doug

We have sold dozens of kits with no issue. I emailed them Protour72 concerns on the ebrake pull. I am still waiting on a answer from Wilwood

staged67gspwr

12-13-2007, 06:54 PM

ok frank let me know and the price

ProdigyCustoms

12-14-2007, 11:01 AM

not true Frank. Here is my application, Moser 12bolt(staggered shocks) Wilwood 4 piston rear brakes w/parking brake. (check back in your records for the exact Wilwood kit #, as I got them through you guys).

You can't just switch the bracket forward.....the lever that actuates the parking brake, needs to pull forward, and simply swapping the parking brake cable bracket and caliper mounting bracket, will not accomplish this. So, I am forced to purchase a new parking brake mechanism for the left(driver) side, so that the caliper gets clocked forward and is not interfering with the shock mounting position. and a different cable bracket is incorporated. This is according to Justin at Wilwood's Sales/Tech Support department.

OK, you are confused on how the system works and it is not your fault by anymeans.

Fist off. Rotating the bracket in your kit forward makes that bracket into the 250-9316 bracket Justin suggested. However the 250-9316 is already rotated when you buy it. Justin probably cannot tell the retail public to rotate the bracket, but I can and this is why it is best to contact me for this stuff..

Second, as for the brake lever pull. You will be looping you ebrake cable under the rear and up to the lever, so that it pulls the ebrake lever backwards. this is how it works in the stagger shock mount kit

protour73

12-17-2007, 07:39 AM

OK, you are confused on how the system works and it is not your fault by anymeans.

Fist off. Rotating the bracket in your kit forward makes that bracket into the 250-9316 bracket Justin suggested. However the 250-9316 is already rotated when you buy it. Justin probably cannot tell the retail public to rotate the bracket, but I can and this is why it is best to contact me for this stuff..

Second, as for the brake lever pull. You will be looping you ebrake cable under the rear and up to the lever, so that it pulls the ebrake lever backwards. this is how it works in the stagger shock mount kit

Anything back from Wilwood? Frank, not that I doubt you in any way.... but I'd like to have a definative answer from Wilwood on this issue (especially when one of their Tech guys say one thing and another says something else), before moving the brackets around. I just want to be safe and not have to worry about this.

ProdigyCustoms

12-17-2007, 08:45 AM

That is direct from Wilwood. if you like you are welcome to call Dustin (different then Justin) at Wilwood. But this is straight from his lips.

protour73

12-17-2007, 08:52 AM

That is direct from Wilwood. if you like you are welcome to call Dustin (different then Justin) at Wilwood. But this is straight from his lips.

- so does the driver side (LH) get clocked forward and the passenger side stay clocked to the rear?
- any pics of the routing of the e-brake cable on the LH side?
- this obviously will make the Lokar e-brake cable shorter on that side (LH), is there enough length to accomodate this difference?

zero g

12-17-2007, 05:34 PM

Exactly what year, make , model? there will not be a 12.2", but we may have 11.75 stuff.

Well specifically it is a 72 Duster with the 73+ disc brake spindles and upper control arms. Mopar 8 3/4 rear that will be shortened and I'm thinking of going with the Big Ford Torino ends because of the better bearings and more brake choices.

ProdigyCustoms

12-17-2007, 05:56 PM

- so does the driver side (LH) get clocked forward and the passenger side stay clocked to the rear? Yes
- any pics of the routing of the e-brake cable on the LH side? I will have to look around, but it is pretty self explanitory oonce you get into it
- this obviously will make the Lokar e-brake cable shorter on that side (LH), is there enough length to accomodate this difference? Yes, there is plenty of cable

I will see what I can find for pics on my other computer

protour73

12-19-2007, 06:29 AM

I will see what I can find for pics on my other computer

Frank.....any luck with those pics??

staged67gspwr

12-19-2007, 06:46 AM

ih frank any news on the up grade my brake calipers i have the 12.19 front and back 4 pistion 2 peice hats want 6 front and 4inthe back if you have pics i will apreciate and a price this is or a 70 camaro

ProdigyCustoms

12-19-2007, 07:59 PM

I have not been able to find a pic. And for the first time in a long time, I actually DO NOT have a set up installed on a car in the shop. Were doing a another install in out shop in 2 weeks, I will be sure to shoot many pics. I have litterly 1000s of pictures, I will have to just search all the JPGs on the computor.

George, I have not got pricing on the bracket yet as a outright buy for a existing kit. Soon as I do, I will let you know.

Skip Fix

12-22-2007, 07:54 AM

Frank same fit guide as the dynalite or do the Superlites stick further towards wheel spokes and increase the OD?

ProdigyCustoms

12-22-2007, 01:31 PM

I do not have the new diagrams for the superlite kits yet, Wilwood has not finished them yet. But Wilwood tells me the clearance is the same.

Skip Fix

12-22-2007, 08:49 PM

Sounds really neat Frank.

Liked the pictures of the 69 from PRI:) Esp the hood hinges and the EFI motor.

ProTour69Bird

01-01-2008, 11:35 PM

This is an awesome package, sweet deal.

say if i was using ATS spindles would there be a hat change for the front in this case

i've been loitering here for a long time and really getting nothing done on my car, it sucks i kind of have to imagine the build, but at least i get to come here and dream away.

so when i can actually get brakes your my go to guy

protour73

01-02-2008, 10:59 AM

hey Frank...........any luck on pics of that Wilwood setup on the drivers side of a GM staggered shock rearend???

ProdigyCustoms

01-02-2008, 12:13 PM

This kit will not work with the ATS spindles, you will have to run a 13" set up, or go with ATS 12" kit

ProdigyCustoms

01-02-2008, 12:13 PM

I am not back in the shop until next week. I will look for the pic then.

GeoffP

03-21-2008, 05:00 PM

How about a revival of an old thread? I just installed my rear kit tonight. Rotated the bracket to the front. NOTE - YOU HAVE to knock out the nutserts and knock them back in from the other side in order to clock the caliper bracket to the front or you WILL have an issue with the caliper coming loose. I didn't have any problems using a small socket and a BFH to knock the nutserts out and back in again.