Anyone come out with a new LS front runner?

[70 Chevelle]

Anyone see a new front runner at sema this year. I heard a few companies were going to come out with some new set ups but I have not seen anything yet.

[customcarpainter]

Vintage Air has one.

[Bob Johnson]

Vintage Air has one.
well tell him to call Shane...what kind of painter/salesman are you anyway??

[Mike Norris]

ATS
Vintage Air
Zoops

That is off the top of my head.

Mike Norris

[ProdigyCustoms]

March has one and it is a bragain. And we have it.

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[Mike Norris]

Mornin' Frank. I knew I forgot one.

Mike

[70 Chevelle]

I have not seen any pics of the vintage air setup yet anyone have any?

[ProdigyCustoms]

I am looking, must be on the other camera

[customcarpainter]

OOPS!!! Call Shane at Johnson's Hot Rod Shop,256-492-5989.He can get you the info you'll need.

[camcojb]

also Synister Products........... http://www.synisterproducts.com/

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[WS6]

Frank, what's the price on that March setup, sir?

[z4me69]

yea frank what is the price on the march set up and what does it include?

[Hot Rod]

Billet Specialties, Inc.

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Also can get it in Black Anodized Finish

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[70 Chevelle]

Billet Specialties did not move the ac compressor so it wont work on a chevelle, the power steering pump is way too low. I like the look of it but there are way too many idler pulleys for my taste. Their are a lot of nice systems out there I'm just waiting for something a little more affordable.

[Hot Rod]

My father uses the stock stuff and makes a few custom brackets. Dose a little nip tuck to his frames and get it to work out. His cars has AC, PS ...... hole nie yards.

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[ProdigyCustoms]

Frank, what's the price on that March setup, sir?

The March system includes all the accessories and the water pump. Everything needed for your conversion. Also, the PS pump location is not a issue with front steer A and G Body cars.

The kit list for $2295, the kits are on GP on the Dear Santa Program through the first of the year for 10% off, $2065.00, However, we have a 3 day sale through Weds only for a additional $100 off making them $1965. Shipping runs $40. Orders must be in before Weds at 5:00PM

Email [email protected] or call me at four zero seven 832 1752

[ProdigyCustoms]

Here is the Vintage Air set up. Like all Vintage Air products, It is a nice looking system and comes in a variety of finishes. Cost ranges between $2300 for the non power steering anodized unit, up to $2700 for the bright finish W/ Power Steering. You will have to email us at [email protected] or call four zero seven 832 1752 for exact pricing for your application

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[Moose]

Frank is it cheaper if i'm not running A/C? March kit..

[ProdigyCustoms]

A/C is the only way it is available, The compressor acts as the outer pulley for the water pump belt wrap. Sorry, Same for the Vintage Air unit.

[camcojb]

Frank,

Is it available without the chrome pulleys, either black or plain aluminum (anodized or powdercoat, and if so what finish does the a/c and alt have?

I asked this question of them at SEMA (twice) and still couldn't quite understand what he was saying............ :pat:

Jody

[hotrdblder]

whats the part number on the vintage air unit for ls-1?
thanks
jake

[KUL FIR CHICK N]

Attached is the handout we had at SEMA. It is avaliable in the same finish configurations as our original Front Runner (trademark) for SBC and BBC.

Also, some may not know we also have a killer Front Runner system for small block Fords as well. It is a one piece forged bracket/timing cover.

Ryan Zwicker
Vintage Air, Inc.

[ProTour69GTO]

This is my personal favorite the ATS unit.
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[chicane67]

This is my personal favorite the ATS unit.
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Ahhh yes. The lighter weight, low bling option.... my favorite as well.

[70 Chevelle]

ATS is by far my first choice. Unfortunately my wallet would file for divorce if I even attempted it.

[hotrdblder]

has ats got any onto the shelf yet? last i checked they were still being made.
will it be a stocked item? or order then it will be made?

[KUL FIR CHICK N]

Ahhh yes. The lighter weight, low bling option.... my favorite as well.

The Front Runner LSX is only two brackets, extremely ridgid, light, and simple. Since we developed the first Front Runner, the focus was always form following function. We knew we needed a bracket system that was mounted solely to the block, was extremely compact, and was extremely reliable, none of which were available before we introduced the Front Runner. We worked with Sanden to identify the most compact, highest performance compressor for the application, and we worked closely with Powermaster to develop the side post alternator (not previously available), which allowed us to shorten the entire system by almost an inch. With each new release of a front runner, we have applied what we've learned from previous designs, and carried over what works the best. We only offer hard coat or chrome plated pulleys because they are the only finishes that last, all of our systems are capable of running engine driven fans, we don't incorporate multiple idlers or strangely shaped stylized brackets, and even our clutch cover serves a purpose (keeps dirt and debris out of the clutch) which is why it is not available with windows cut in it.

The hard coat version of the system comes with plain accessories, black anodized brackets, black hard coated pulleys, and stainless hardware. It does not include the clutch or tensioner covers, and looks as good as it works.

On the Ford small block system, we chose to forge the entire bracket as one piece. There are no spacers, and the bracket also serves as the timing cover. It is machined entirely in-house. The engineering and tooling in these systems is very expensive and time consuming, but it ensures that we can offer the best products available.

Since we developed the first Front Runner system in 2000, several other companies have introduced systems using the same compressor, the same alternator, the same component placement, and the same overall concept as ours. The main difference, other than styling, is that we truly understand why each component was chosen and placed where it was.

[ProdigyCustoms]

whats the part number on the vintage air unit for ls-1?
thanks
jake

Which finish Jake? There are 9 part numbers for different finishes, W or W/O Power Steering pump, W or W/O Power Steering

[ProdigyCustoms]

Frank,

Is it available without the chrome pulleys, either black or plain aluminum (anodized or powdercoat, and if so what finish does the a/c and alt have?

I asked this question of them at SEMA (twice) and still couldn't quite understand what he was saying............ :pat:

Jody

I think Ryan got your answer, but if you need more info, let us know

[chicane67]

The Front Runner LSX is only two brackets, extremely ridgid, light, and simple. Since we developed the first Front Runner, the focus was always form following function. We knew we needed a bracket system that was mounted solely to the block, was extremely compact, and was extremely reliable, none of which were available before we introduced the Front Runner. We worked with Sanden to identify the most compact, highest performance compressor for the application, and we worked closely with Powermaster to develop the side post alternator (not previously available), which allowed us to shorten the entire system by almost an inch. With each new release of a front runner, we have applied what we've learned from previous designs, and carried over what works the best. We only offer hard coat or chrome plated pulleys because they are the only finishes that last, all of our systems are capable of running engine driven fans, we don't incorporate multiple idlers or strangely shaped stylized brackets, and even our clutch cover serves a purpose (keeps dirt and debris out of the clutch) which is why it is not available with windows cut in it.

The hard coat version of the system comes with plain accessories, black anodized brackets, black hard coated pulleys, and stainless hardware. It does not include the clutch or tensioner covers, and looks as good as it works.

On the Ford small block system, we chose to forge the entire bracket as one piece. There are no spacers, and the bracket also serves as the timing cover. It is machined entirely in-house. The engineering and tooling in these systems is very expensive and time consuming, but it ensures that we can offer the best products available.

Since we developed the first Front Runner system in 2000, several other companies have introduced systems using the same compressor, the same alternator, the same component placement, and the same overall concept as ours. The main difference, other than styling, is that we truly understand why each component was chosen and placed where it was.

And you are directing this to my response why Ryan ??

For your information... it was I that contacted Vintage Air some three plus years ago about doing this very system and talked about it in great detail with... whomever. But back then, I was told that Vintage Air didnt want to do it because, "there was no demand for it".

Glad to see that Vintage Air finally changed their minds.




Two question's though. What is the maximum rpm tested with the all inclusive system ?? And what is the price difference for black type III ??

Oh yeah... I am glad that you are the only one's that truely know why each component was chosen and why they are placed where they are. Becuase I dont believe that the rest of us Lemmings could have ever figured that out. :lmao:

Please.

[victionone]

Great thread since I'm in the market for a system. I can't find anything factory that will clear the DSE subframe. Any pictures of the hard coated "Front Runner LSX"?

I thought ATS was going to be at SEMA and was looking forward to see the Sidewinder setup.

[David Sloan]

This is my personal favorite the ATS unit.
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I really like this one as well. I had the change to see it in person when we were at SEMA.
Thanks again Tyle for opening up your shop for us.

[KUL FIR CHICK N]

And you are directing this to my response why Ryan ??

For your information... it was I that contacted Vintage Air some three plus years ago about doing this very system and talked about it in great detail with... whomever. But back then, I was told that Vintage Air didnt want to do it because, "there was no demand for it".

Glad to see that Vintage Air finally changed their minds.




Two question's though. What is the maximum rpm tested with the all inclusive system ?? And what is the price difference for black type III ??

Oh yeah... I am glad that you are the only one's that truely know why each component was chosen and why they are placed where they are. Becuase I dont believe that the rest of us Lemmings could have ever figured that out. :lmao:

Please.

I wasn't directing my post at you, but rather aiming to refute being grouped with the "bling" options. As is common on forums, thoughts put in print are often taken differently than if spoken. Sorry if I offended anyone. Part of or market are street rodders, who typically buy chrome and covers, but we have always offered anodized versions "bling free."

We knew way back that there was huge demand for the LS application, but there was also huge demand for small block Ford applications, which we were working on three years ago along with Ford GT development and Gen 4 development. We can't develop everything at once. Certainly, we would have liked to have it in the market sooner, but as you know having developed parts with Tyler, developing good parts takes time.

All of our systems are tested to 7500 RPM, but we recommend a power steering cooler and shutting off the compressor for extended periods above 6500.

The black anodized system with type 3 hardcoat pulleys and power steering is $2,495.00, The "bright" package with chrome pulleys and compressor and clutch covers is $2,695.00

The placement of the components seems logical once you see it, but in order to do it that way, we had to come up with a different compressor than had been used in the aftermarket, a special alternator that allowed us to move it back closer to the head, a short reverse rotation water pump, etc (going back to SBC). We would not go to the trouble of developing low profile components only to hang them out an inch forward of the head. We also would not design a drive system that won't clear the factory crossmember.

Not taking anything away from Tyler, his system looks super trick and I dig a lot of his products. Also, I wouldn't want anyone here to think I was calling them "lemmings", the innovation and talent posessed by the members here is why I frequent this site. I just also happen to work for a manufacturer that makes products for the members.

Ryan

[hotrdblder]

Which finish Jake? There are 9 part numbers for different finishes, W or W/O Power Steering pump, W or W/O Power Steering

type III, remote power steering, a/c, black hard coat

[hotrdblder]

does anyone know if tylers setup is on the shelf yet?

[TitoJones]

Yes, we are shipping. We have Sidewinders on the shelf for LS1, LS2, Ls6 and LS7. I was impressed with the Vintage Air setup when I saw it at the show this year, and Ryan and I had quite the long talk about it.
We are considering offering our race inspired pulley design for Vintage air's front runner for the LSX.

Tyler

[chicane67]

I wasn't directing my post at you, but rather aiming to refute being grouped with the "bling" options. As is common on forums, thoughts put in print are often taken differently than if spoken. Sorry if I offended anyone. Part of or market are street rodders, who typically buy chrome and covers, but we have always offered anodized versions "bling free."

We knew way back that there was huge demand for the LS application, but there was also huge demand for small block Ford applications, which we were working on three years ago along with Ford GT development and Gen 4 development. We can't develop everything at once. Certainly, we would have liked to have it in the market sooner, but as you know having developed parts with Tyler, developing good parts takes time.

All of our systems are tested to 7500 RPM, but we recommend a power steering cooler and shutting off the compressor for extended periods above 6500.

The black anodized system with type 3 hardcoat pulleys and power steering is $2,495.00, The "bright" package with chrome pulleys and compressor and clutch covers is $2,695.00

The placement of the components seems logical once you see it, but in order to do it that way, we had to come up with a different compressor than had been used in the aftermarket, a special alternator that allowed us to move it back closer to the head, a short reverse rotation water pump, etc (going back to SBC). We would not go to the trouble of developing low profile components only to hang them out an inch forward of the head. We also would not design a drive system that won't clear the factory crossmember.

Not taking anything away from Tyler, his system looks super trick and I dig a lot of his products. Also, I wouldn't want anyone here to think I was calling them "lemmings", the innovation and talent posessed by the members here is why I frequent this site. I just also happen to work for a manufacturer that makes products for the members.

Ryan

Its all good. I was just hoping you were not thinking that I was making the comment towards your product. I am just one of those "low bling" kinda guys and have always enjoyed a more subdued finish.

Like I said... I am glad you guys got around to doing an LSx Front Runner.

Just wondering... is there a reason that your testing stopped a 7500 ?? Is it a overspeed issue with certain components ??

[KUL FIR CHICK N]

As with any systems, you have to set the ratios so that you have adequate performance at idle for A/C, alternator, PS, WP, etc. If you want to go high revs, you sacrifice performance where you spend a lot of your time. Most sanden compressors redline at 6500 compressor RPM. The SD7B10 is rated to 9300 for short bursts. I have seen them hold up to several laps on a road coarse where they were running over 11k, but they won't last long under those conditions. Also, if you run your PS at super high revs for extended periods, you should run a cooler, otherwise they get hot. I don't know many who run around over 7500 with the air blasting, but if they do, they will need to get a reduced crank pulley diameter. The OE's shut down the compressors with the engine computer at much lower crank speeds. I usually use an aux out on aftermarket ecu's to shut off the compressor over about 6k just to be easy on the compressor, but they're pretty tough. If we get them back, they've usually been overcharged or slugged.

[MastMotorsports]

Our Billet Front Accessory Package was on display at SEMA. If you look through our website it shows our various configurations. We have a high mount A/C, low mount A/C, and our kit works with any LS series engine. This includes LS1, LS2, LS3, LS6, LS7, and even L92 applications with VVT. The picture below is a prototype set...I'll post some production pictures as soon as I get a chance.

http://www.mastmotorsports.com/billet_content.php?id=1

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Shaun

www.mastmotorsports.com (http://www.mastmotorsports.com)

[jeff s]

Here's ours. Available black too. or with polished accessories.