Push Button Start with Passive Device Key wanted

[jonesmoto]

I am interested also. Just would like to know the in's and out's of the whole system.

[jjump59]

add me to the list, I'm local so if you need to test i'd be happy to help. I would pay 200.00 to 400.00 depending on set up. Thanks

[deluxecustoms]

I understand you want to know the operation and it's very complicated for me to explain! It would be much better to show how it works and I am in the process of making a short video. I am hoping to get it done by Wednesday or Thursday.

[The WidowMaker]

anybody looked into using the ISIS system for push to start. i need to call them and discuss the specifics, but their modules are programable, and i would think you could tell it to do what you want. if it can use one wire to make one light do multiple functions(ie. brake, turn signal, flasher) using multiple switches, i would think that it could make one switch do multiple functions based on a specific input (one push, two pushes, push and hold). i was thinking of this system already since it incorporates the RFID. its about 1k, but it wires the car, gives you a remote, and may offer push to start. it would make it even more worth it.

anybody know?

Tim

[kstorz]

Hi Tim -

Yes..ISIS can easily be configured to adapt to the one button push start. It is an easy program that we have developed and can upload to the ISIS system. A couple of other added features that ISIS has if you add the $179 key fob is the security of the ISIS system...upon enabling we lock out the ignition, starter, and fuel pump...we lock this out on the Mastercell board which means even if you attemtped to hot wire the 1-button push start, the mastercell will not allow it. The "Security" feature can be applied to any other output you like. The key fob also has the ability to control up to 16 other outputs.

If needed, check out the ISIS video to see the 1 button push start...it's roughly 17 minutes long and I think the 1 button push start is near the end.

Here is the link:
http://isispower.com/

BTW - There is a promo going on until Dec 31...enter in "sema" and save 10% of your entire order.

Karl

[The WidowMaker]

karl - thanks for the reply. ive seen that video a couple of times, and im more impressed each time i see it. but, the video still didnt answer the question about push button start. it did show the button function for the ignition and starter, but didnt state whether you could do a;

one push - accessories
two push - ignition
push and hold - starter

id like to keep one button instead of adding another for the accessories.

thanks, tim

[kstorz]

Hi Tim -

Yes we can do that.

On a side note...the car we had at SEMA had the S2000 push button switch. However, we found the S2000 push button to be cheap in appearance...only an opinion. Instead of using the S2000 switch on our display, we found a stainless steel push-button from Bulgin that we used. It is fully sealed and has a LED ring around the buttom that you can use to indicate when the switch is on. This can be purchased from the Digikey website. Attached is the data sheet from the website.

http://www.bulgin.co.uk/PDFs/CatNo82/CatNo82pages/Page_183_2005_Cat.pdf

Thanks,
Karl

[DJW32]

I have put together a microprocessor based single button Push-to-Start system. This is my second working prototype and I've worked out all the bugs so it really kicks ass! Every car person who's witnessed it's functionality has expressed real interest and I want to start taking orders. I have found it extremely difficult to price this Push-to-Start system since I've built it by hand. My plan is to order the parts for and build 100 units so I can accurately gauge my time+cost ratio. Obviously if I order and build more than one at a time, I will be able to reduce the cost of production.

With a RFID security system and non-locking steering column, you will NEVER have to take the keys out of your pocket.

My wife thinks I'm crazy for wanting to do this in light of the economic situation, and I truly believe it will be a success.

My question to you... How much would you expect to pay for a Push-to-Start system?

It's cool that you have a new product that you want to bring to the market...but... Why dont you go to the "Welcome to our message board/ New cars" and introduce yourself? Also, I think in order to sell any product, you need to become a vendor on this board. Your product sounds cool...I can't wait to see how it works.

David

[The WidowMaker]

thanks karl..... ill be in touch in a few months.

Tim

[bigtyme1]

Karl, in order to do the push button start we would have to buy you whole set up correct?

[bigtyme1]

Does ISIS have a phone number? I can't find it on the web sight.

[MCMLXIX]

Does ISIS have a phone number? I can't find it on the web sight.

No phone number listed, just a info request form...

Yes, you need the whole system. Its a microprocessor controlled whole car wiring system... I saw this system on OneLapCamaro and it looks awesome. I am definitly look forward to using this system when I get to that point...

I already purchased a switch from a PC Mod shop online. They have a almost identical switch that Karl recomended but its black and can be ordered with a Green, Red or Blue LED ring....
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gifhttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gifhttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
http://www.crazypc.com/products/vandal_switch-82390B.html

[James OLC]

One of the really cool things about the ISIS push button start capability is that you can program it to do almost anything that you could imagine with each push.

one push
accessories get power
ignition is hot
fuel pump runs for 3 seconds


push and hold
starter
running lights come on in 10 seconds


push again
ignition is off
interior lights are on for one minute then fade off
running lights shut off in 30 seconds


That's just an example and the beauty of the system is that it can be different things for different people. You might want it to do more, you might want it to do less - you can decide how the push button start (or any switched feature) operates throughout the car. It is simply awesome.

If you fill out the contact form and ask them to call you, I am sure that you will hear from them shortly.

And those buttons (both stainless and black) and really cool. I played with them at SEMA for a while and saw them in a couple of sizes. If the OneLap car had any buttons I would use those for sure; for a push button start switch I am temporarily using a GT button - but will it will come out in the spring.

Good luck,

[kstorz]

Does ISIS have a phone number? I can't find it on the web sight.

Please visit the website if you haven't done so already for more details on the ISIS system...either this link or the ISIS ad on the side will take you directly to the site.

www.isispower.com (http://www.isispower.com)

If you have any questions or would like to talk to someone...please hit the contact or technical support and fill out the information and we will get back to you.

Thanks,
Karl

[perry mitchell]

Sounds like an awesome system and if I had discovered it 2 years ago, I'm sure I would have gone with it. It looks super easy to install. However, I am way beyond that now and don't want to go backwards, both labor & parts and $$$$. Let's come up with a system for those of us that just want to retrofit a PUSH TO START system in our finished, or almost finished, cars. Thanks

[1sthemi]

JLMCCUAN...can i use this one for the same app as yours

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400003435346 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400003435346)

[viper11]

thats the kit I bought
I havent installed it yet but it looks good
jason

[1sthemi]

i installed half of it on my 07 dodge charger but i didnt kno i needed resistors for the doors looks and flashing lamps. Are yoy doing the same install as jlmccaun?

[New 97ss]

WOW...

That was a great thread, with alot of promise, right up until the end. Either way, its got me thinking. Oh, I'll go introduce myself now...

[gsxrjjordan]

Greetings from Zilvia.net!

A few of us in the drifting community have rewired our entire cars, similar to what you guys do regularly ~ the question of "push start" buttons is a little too "ricey" for us non-Honda owners who actually track our cars (read: have better **** to spend money/time on) but one member linked this thread in a Fusebox Relocation discussion and I thoroughly enjoyed reading the first half or so lol.

I will be using the same "PC" momentary switch (with a resistor for the LED light, which is rated for 3.4V) with jlmccuan (https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/member.php?u=8898)'s relay setup, and a cheap ebay RFID unit (not an alarm, as I already have one) to trigger the ignition power to the switch/relay setup - I'm interested in keeping my alarms other functions (2way paging, etc) so I don't mind carrying that fob around.

Cheers, will check back for "matty b" updates.

[bigtyme1]

I understand you want to know the operation and it's very complicated for me to explain! It would be much better to show how it works and I am in the process of making a short video. I am hoping to get it done by Wednesday or Thursday.
Sven, where are we at with this? I need to make a move soon

[Mark68]

The only one on the market so far is by Flaming River and most people do not like them and the over priced at $550.00 I'd say some where around $300.00 if your trying to move them along. I'm intersted but would like to see more details on install and function.

There is another system out there available from Digital Guard Dawg. I put this system in my '68 RS/SS Camaro and it works like a charm. It even fits in the hole on the dash where the original ignition switch mounts. I used my original ignition switch harness and hooked up the Guard Dawg wires directly to it using electrical connectors. This way, if I want to go back to the original setup, it is a simple plug and play procedure. To get the accessories to work you do need to wire in two 30 amp relays but this is very easy to do. The great feature is the RFID DAWG Tag which you carry on you and when you get say within 10 ft or so the system kicks in and you can start the car. They can be set to work automatically or manually. The battery is conserved if in the manual mode. When I bought my kit they offered me an extra RFID tag (which retail for $75), so if you order, ask for this deal also. Having two of them lets you can place one in the auto mode and use it and place the other in manual mode for a spare and save the battery. The kit cost $399 but I feel it was worth it because it was easy to hook up and it works as advertised. If anyone needs any further info on this kit, please ask and I will be more than happy to help out. Check out the video of my install below.

http://www.unclevinnys.com/vid48.html

http://www.digitalguarddog.com/mm5/m...ry_Code=a20000 (http://www.digitalguarddog.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=DGD&Category_Code=a20000)

[bigtyme1]

Has anybody installed the Stardrive from Sven? Great looking system just have a few questions.

[rlehto]

First off looking at ISIS site I see the RF remote but it doesn't say whether or not you can use it a passive key ie walk up to the car with in your pocket doors unlock/pop and "arm" the car for ignition where you can just push and hold a button to start. Can it do this or do you have to get a separate passive key.

Secondly I wanted just a simple "Engine Start" button but then I saw this

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

And since Im doing a more aircraft theme I think it would be sweet.

[Smitty_67]

We have a group purchase in process for the ISIS system. May want to check out these threads.

GP.. https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49119

installation and wiring.. https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58157

[astross89]

For the people that want to build one there self. kinda pricey but thought it looked cool.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buick-Skylark-PUSH-BUTTON-START-engine-ignition-starter_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14 QQhashZitem27ab145135QQitemZ170373959989QQptZMotor sQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[jtm311]

Just read this thread first time wow.. I have this system in my Mercedes I really like that it offer both a key and push start. But what I like in my system is the car does no unlock when you walk up to it, you have to touch the door handle to open the door, which then unlocks all doors. Does any one know how this is done?

John

[wmhjr]

Just read this thread first time wow.. I have this system in my Mercedes I really like that it offer both a key and push start. But what I like in my system is the car does no unlock when you walk up to it, you have to touch the door handle to open the door, which then unlocks all doors. Does any one know how this is done?

John

Actually it does not unlock when you touch the door handle. It unlocks when you physically move the inside of the handle I have an '08 E class. I believe that when the inside movable piece is disturbed, a signal is sent to the computer, which then scans to see if it detects the RF signal of the key fob, and if it does it unlocks the vehicle - exactly the same for when you press the start button on the shifter. Similarly, it is another mechanical small black switch on the outside door handles which when pressed locks the car. For those not in the know, that's the easy way to determine if a Mercedes has "Keyless Go". Another kind of cool feature of this system is that the keyfob is both rf and IR. There are IR sensors in the front doors, and an IR transmitter in the fob, allowing you to open and close windows and the sunroof while standing outside the vehicle.

The down side of the Mercedes technology is that the key fobs are not linked (in newer vehicles) to things like seat and mirror positions, as they are with Infinity for example. Mercedes used to do this, but stopped sometime around '06 or so - depending on the model. But it is a great system. It's nice never ever messing with a key.

[jtm311]

You are correct I should have better explained it. I have the 07 E55 and in 07 they still change the seats and other features :)

John

Maybe time to find a wrecked E class, I would love to pull the front and rear seats along with the key less system for my 69 camaro :)

[wmhjr]

You are correct I should have better explained it. I have the 07 E55 and in 07 they still change the seats and other features :)

John

Maybe time to find a wrecked E class, I would love to pull the front and rear seats along with the key less system for my 69 camaro :)

The E55 is a great car. Mine is a daily drive and I need AWD, so no AMG for me. My understanding is that as a result of the Daimler-Chrysler experiment and quality issues, they decided to remove some options (in the US) in order to prevent support requests and increase quality ratings. That's apparently why in the US they got rid of the keyfob specific seat/wheel/mirror settings as well as things like the reverse mirror turn-down (that even my '00 CLK had) - though those features still exist for cars sold and delivered in other markets.

You'd need way more than the seats and the specific keyless go, you'd need the entire ECM as far as I know. It's an interesting thought, but would probably be a whole lot of effort - I think there's some CAN-BUS stuff, and who knows what else.

[duckmanjbr]

Looking into the Stardrive system it looks at though does a bit more than the Guard Dog system. One thing I can't find about either system is the RFID security they're using. Is either system code hopping or are they old school RFID. Basic RFID without some type of code hopping or scrambling is just a convenience not so much a security!

[jtm311]

Sorry if this is already posted. Cam into my email yesterday.
http://www.jegs.com/p/Ididit/Ididit-Key-to-Keyless-Ignition-Kits/1632423/10002/-1

John

[switchblade327]

I'm also looking into a passkey/push button setup for my Chevelle.


Looking into the Stardrive system it looks at though does a bit more than the Guard Dog system. One thing I can't find about either system is the RFID security they're using. Is either system code hopping or are they old school RFID. Basic RFID without some type of code hopping or scrambling is just a convenience not so much a security!

Since it's been 7 months, you may already have your answer but this is from the Stardrive homepage:

Radio Frequency Identification, or RFID, is the new generation of intelligent bi-directional technology and auto electronic alarm systems. It's a dual-frequency wireless system, combined with code hopping and 64-bit encryption technology to avoid the electronic key from being duplicated and ensure security.

I don't know what that means but it sounds like what you're looking for.

I'm looking at a Stardrive as well but there is also AdvancedKey http://www.advancedkeys.com/Prod_AK103B.html which looks to be the same kind of setup for less money, and includes an option "roll up the windows when you leave" module, which is kind of cool. At least unless you have dogs or kids you leave unattended in your car :P

It seems like there's a lot of options now that do both keyless entry and push button start but from what I've seen, these two are the most cost-efficient while having full features. The Digital Guard Dog kit is $599 (+$100 with alarm), Ididit is $640, Flaming River is $700 and the Painless Wiring setup is $800(!?)

So, does anyone have an AdvanceKey or Stardrive actually in their car? Are there any obvious flaws to these cheaper systems that a non-electrical guy would miss?

[camaro jeff]

Have you looked at Gallotech?

[switchblade327]

Have you looked at Gallotech?

I haven't. Is that a recommendation or just another option? It looks competitvely priced to the AdvancedKeys or StarDrive system @~$400, so that's good.

The AdvancedKeys setup is the cheapest and I like their "auto window roll-up" add-on but I found that one of their sales reps had passed himself off as a 'happy customer' on another car forum and got himself banned, which is pretty shady.

[camaro jeff]

Just another option. I am currently looking for a system to and came across them. I like that I can also open the trunk with the remote. Maybe someone else on Forum has used their system.

[switchblade327]

Just for an update, I wound up going with one of the setups that Frank at Prodigy Customs sells. I'd post a link but I don't even remember which one it was!

Frank, if you see this, maybe you could share? I'm the guy who ordered the passkey system along with an ididit column and power windows for a '66 Chevelle.

[Tom 72RS/SS]

Advancedkeys has a nice setup but I kinda like one's with the key fob better than the card. Much easier to carry (for me) and less likely to get damaged in my hip pocket or lost in a shirt pocket. Besides, I need my ignition key anyway to unlock the wheel.