ATS Project 50/50

[70 LS1]

Does anyone know if Tyler completed the 68 Camaro project 50/50 car? Any more recent pictures than on the ATS website?

[ironworks]

Last I heard still on hold, work on Customers comes 1st.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

i heard there was a small problem..

[mpozzi]

I think he's pretty buried with the ATS parts and customer's cars, and 50/50's on a temporary hold for now.

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[zbugger]

i heard there was a small problem..

Yeah, he pulled a "There's Something About Mary" joke, and now his hair won't go back to normal.

As for the car, I think he's just too busy to work on it with his day job and all.

[harshman]

renamed project 50 years.:wedgie:

[BA.]

50/50 chance of it getting completed? :) lol.

[wiedemab]

I was kind of wondering about this project too. I guess I just assumed that the business was keeping him too busy to work on it - good assumption I guess.

Hell - I don't even have a business to run and I can't finish any of my crap!

[67SSDan]

That's funny, I was just thinking the same thing the other day. Tyler man... where you at?

Dan

[datsbad]

Yeah, he pulled a "There's Something About Mary" joke, and now his hair won't go back to normal.

As for the car, I think he's just too busy to work on it with his day job and all.

This is a good problem to have , Congrats Tyler.
Someday , dont give up !

[Steve Chryssos]

This is a good problem to have , Congrats Tyler.
Someday , dont give up !

Fire up the flatbed, Jason. I know where he keeps it and since he won't sell it.....

[TitoJones]

Ugh. I was hoping that this thread would just slide out of the main page, but people keep asking so here's the skinny:

Back in 2002 the chassis was completed by Wayne Due and it was shipped to a company called Ctek in Newport Beach, CA. They did the clay work to develop our body kit and were supposed to produce our final tooling for production parts.

They did concept vehicles for Ford and are the same company that made the 05 Mustang show car. Well they started invoicing Ford for labor that they hadn't actually done, so when the big wigs dropped in to see progress, they were pissed to see a $900,000 invoice with no work completed. They pulled all projects out of Ctek and walked away from them completely.

Ctek was now in financial trouble and started invoicing me for my body kit, stating it was completed, and final toolong was made. I went to Newport beach that night with a truck and trailer to get 50/50 out and back to the shop.

When we got there, none of the molds were production quality, the body panels they made were fiberglass, not carbon fiber, and they were attempting to prep the panels before i arrived to cover them in a layer of carbon (I assume for looks, since it was 99% fiberglass). They also accidenly threw out some of the parts that Wayne had put in the car to the tune of almost $9K.

I was pissed at this point, and did the same thing Ford did. I pulled my project out, took my molds and prototype parts and left. I had paid well over $20K to be at that point, and now had no production parts or molds to speak of.

The company went under, and all the employees who worked there were let go. 3 of the guys who did the work on my car contacted me to complete it. I was excited to get it back into the hands of skilled fabricators who were intimate with the car already, so I shipped 50/50 to a small house in Garden Grove, CA where the crew were going to complete the body kit.

Keep in mind that the chassis, frame rails, floor and sheetmetal were all bare steel from Wayne Due during this process.

I pay these former ctek employees to complete the car to the tune of $25K. I wait over a year to see progress and finally had to pull the car back to Vegas. When I went to get the car, it had been sitting outside for well over a year within 2 blocks of the ocean. The entire car was now covered in brown rust from head to toe. The body kit was not completed, the molds were crap, and the parts were terrible.

So now I was out $50K for a body kit, the sheetmetal is destroyed, and I lost over 3 years of time in it.
It has been under a car cover for the last 2 years in my garage and I haven't even thought about it, worked on it or touched it since.

We do have clients cars that are taking up most of our time and space so I wouldn't have been able to make progress on it anyways, plus our product line has been keeping us very busy.

I will be getting the car back into the shop later this year, but we have also just picked up a 67 Camaro shop car that we have named the Chicane-LM Camaro. The plan is to build a 90% bolt on car that uses our front suspension, an LS1/T56 drivetrain and some killer brakes. We will then allow our client base to drive our shop car at events so they can see if they like the way it handles/drives etc.

Sorry for the long drawn out post, but I though you guys should know why it has taken me so long to complete. On a side note none of the other 1st gens that I know of that have the C5 layout with the transaxle have been completed either so I might still be the first guy to get one done.

Tyler

[TonyL]

:( is all I can say.

That sucks dude.

[eville]

Ouch... so many shady characters in the world. That car will be so bad@ss...

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

daaaaamn..

yep thats the problem i heard about..


no wonder why you have 50/50 tucked away on your website!

[F70t/a]

Something good will come of this!!! Keep pushing tyler:headbang:

[180SX_Faktory]

Tyler, I fell in love with your concept, and I even downloaded the pics to awe at. Just simple elegance, timeless lines and not fad stricken. Wow! If you ever need a wrench-turner, let me know. This concept of yours is SEX.

[parsonsj]

Tyler, glad to hear you haven't given up. Everybody loves 50/50, and it's up to you to give us what we love!

jp

[67SSDan]

Ah dang man, that sucks majorly! I'd have opened up a can!

I have to say... I do love my spindles though!!

Dan

[got_hp?]

I was pissed at this point, and did the same thing Ford did. I pulled my project out, took my molds and prototype parts and left..............

..............3 of the guys who did the work on my car contacted me to complete it............ I pay these former ctek employees to complete the car to the tune of $25K................. When I went to get the car, it had been sitting outside for well over a year within 2 blocks of the ocean.



WOW.......no offense, but after they totally screwed you over at the previous place, you actually let those guys touch your car again? Regardless of them just being employees, its not like they didnt know what was going on and they helped it happen.

I mean it sucks what happened to you at Ctek, but I would think that after a bad experience like that, a person would be much more cautious about who they pay to work on their car, and also check up on the progress way more frequently either in person or by demanding lots of digital photos atleast on a monthly basis before you ever wrote another check.


Well I hope the project turns out ok for you in the end, best of luck!

[180SX_Faktory]

"Surprise" visits always set the tone. After a few of them, they get the hint and start getting things moving quickly.

[180SX_Faktory]

daaaaamn..

yep thats the problem i heard about..


no wonder why you have 50/50 tucked away on your website!

Checked out your 67! Wow! Sexy! I hope those daggers or fangs in your wheels never fly out and impale someone! Lol! Ninja stars of death! Nice!

[4OfaKind]

Hey Tyler,

Why not let the company that did Red Witch's hood do your body kit?
They did a great job and have a good reputation with members of this board and they have proven they can work w/ CF.

Just a suggestion from another fan that would love to see this project completed.

Mal

[Chad-1stGen]

Wow. Not sure how significant 25-50K is for you but I'd be filing a lawsuit.

[BA.]

Wow Tyler. That story is just shocking to me. You've gotten the hard screw twice, and in a major way.
I hate seeing jerk-offs doing **** like they did to you and getting away with it.

All I can say is I LOVE ALL MY ATS PARTS!!!! I hope you find the motivation or contacts to get the car and molds going again.


Sorry man.

[chicane67]

Wow. Not sure how significant 25-50K is for you but I'd be filing a lawsuit.

... It doesnt do you any good if they cant pay up. Just think about Ford Motor Company... they walked away from almost $1M... and I think they knew they would never see it, so they just wrote it off. But dont think Ctek didnt take a beating for bending Ford over.

The snatch and grab from Ctek was a hoot. Boy-o-boy was the owner a true idiot. If Tyler told the whole story about what we went through to get the car out of there... he would have this place in stiches.

All I can say is that karma will do the deed for those involved. :headbang:

[65chevelle''ss'']

This story made me sick to my stomach......

"All I can say is that karma will do the deed for those involved"

Hell ya brotha, hell ya....

[Rybar]

That really sucks Tyler, that is the thing I hated most about a project leaving your car in somebody else's hands. Hopefully you will make back the lost money and finish 50-50 one day, your original LT1-T56 combo inspired my build alot. And I give you full props for where you have taken ATS.

I know it's probably a waste of time, but did you get any agreements in writing? If so then you would have a case to get back some money.

Good luck bud.

Ryan

[TheRoaringEagle]

does 50/50 run though? i say forget the body kit. it looked awesome but the car can be conceived as a "stage 1" 50/50 with just a good clean stock 68 body with a sleeper surprise chassis. i just wanna see how well the car runs with some numbers.

but we should all take out our baseball bats and find those dudes.

[Cruiser]

After reading that I don't feel so bad about the jerk offs that have ripped me off over the years getting work done.

High end work....or trying to get it done means more $$$ to loose. I really hope your business takes off and someday covers your losses.

Joe

[trapin]

Geez....and I complained about my Ipod gettin' stolen. That sucks Tyler. I can't believe how many bad, dishonest companies are out there. Makes me scared to take my car anywhere.

[TitoJones]

I just need to stop pursuing composites. I have been burned by 3 different carbon companies, but I still go back for more. I can't help myself.

Car is still collecting rust and dust in my garage. I might even uncover it one day in the near future and get back to work on it. Today is not that day however.

Tyler

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

stop being a pansy Tito.. finish it!..

ahahah

[Steve68]

Long while back Tyler and I had the long talk on the ole' green car and I heard the story, basically you can't get blood from the turnip, He said one day he'lll finish it, I might roll mine out at the same time!

[OHCbird]

Tyler's woes aside, this illustrates just how fly-by-night and fickle this industry can be. Some of the worst offenders are in the import 'tuner' shops... wow I've seen some really bad stuff there. The real crappy part is that for every bad deal or ripoff out there, 2/3rds come from young shops that bite off more than they can chew.

We're actually lucky to have so many shops and vendors that deliver. Look at the list of sponsors on the right; I would bet that many of you have had a good or great experience from at least one or two of them. I started to type a list, then realized that I was listing a bunch of the sponsors!

Tyler- I'm feeling ya, man. I've had my Firebird off the road for 8 years now. In 2006, I finally gained some steam (the only year I deployed for lest than 2 months). Then 2007 came, 10.5 months of it in Iraq. Now, the Navy has seen fit to send me up to Maine without my wife and kids (umm...and my Firebird) for about 2 years. This **** is getting old. SO, maybe RTH V will be my unveiling.

Maybe this will make you feel better:
My bird, circa 1998 (camera date FUBAR'd)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/01/JohnchallengerFbird1-1.jpg

May 2006 My son still very un-impressed with my progress: I will say that was the day I built the body cart & began the minitub install. At least the coilover conversion, MT's & Qlink are done...(after the picture was taken)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/01/Apr06c012-1.jpg

Thanks for letting us know- If I'm ever out near Vegas, I'd be happy to come turn a wrench or do some custom wiring for ya.

JEFF

[ironworks]

I just need to stop pursuing composites. I have been burned by 3 different carbon companies, but I still go back for more. I can't help myself.

Car is still collecting rust and dust in my garage. I might even uncover it one day in the near future and get back to work on it. Today is not that day however.

Tyler


I know about an empty trailer coming from nebraka in a few weeks and then a 2 car trailer coming from nebraska with only one car in it in a few weeks after that. The trailer is actually stopping at the drag strip for the weekend.

Rodger

[steemin]

Tyler,
What a sad story.
I am glad that your business is doing well and that someday you will find the time to finish 50/50!
Scott

[Steve68]

Young Kid, Old Kid, thats how I feel with my car!

[TitoJones]

There is finally an end to long tale of what happened to 50/50. I moved the car out of my garage in August to a storage spot down the street. The plan was to un-clutter my shop, and get some good useable space in my house. I went to grab a mock up display there last night and to my surprise my unit no longer had a lock on it.

I bet you can guess what I'm about to say next.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/xarmo2-1.jpg



So I roll up the sliding bay door to take peak and my heart sinks. 50/50 has been stolen. It looks like a bomb went off inside my storage unit. They took the car, the body kit, the HRE wheels, the drivetrain; everything but some old displays from SEMA, a tool box full of hardware and a few chairs. Even better than that was there is another 68 RS/SS sitting on a trailer OUTSIDE 14 feet from my unit that was left alone

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/260u34z-1.jpg

I called the police, who told me to come down and file a report (they wouldn't even send a unit over to dust for prints) called the storage space manager to have them review the security tapes and went home. Got a call this morning that it was stolen by flatbed over 3 weeks ago around 4pm in the afternoon. Even have pics of the truck and guys who took it. I have little hope that it will be recovered as anything but a shell, and I can kiss those HRE wheels good bye. Keep your eyes peeled though, and call my shop if you have seen or heard anything about it.

That car and period of my life is dead to me now. I don't really want it back anymore now that it has been ransacked and mistreated by yet another group of people.

From here on out just leave this car be. I don't want to talk about it ever again. Thanks for letting me vent.

Tyler

[James OLC]

I feel for you my friend. I don't know what kind of **** would do something like that but sooner or later something as unique and well known as 50/50 will show up and when it does I suggest we all pay the **** a visit.

[David Pozzi]

Tyler, so sorry to hear this story!
I owe you another ride to cheer you up! :)
Seriously, I think composite guys are brain damaged from the fumes, I've met a lot of flakes in that business.
David

[patriot68]

maybe chip foose took it

[TitoJones]

Yeah I don't think even Overhauling would take that car on. Besides, no one has been calling to play tricks on me. Worst part is that is had no dash, and no VIN on the car anywhere. Even if they do find it will be hard to identify as mine.

Tyler

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

oooohhhh, shizzzzzz..... that was one of my favorite cars not even built yet.

i was hoping for that one day to come to life..

damn.

[Flash68]

Tyler. So sorry man. Hopefully some greater good comes out of all this for you.

[TonyL]

:( Im so sorry man. I wish i could help. Can you get copies of the pics of the guys and post them here? We'll hunt the *******s down. Someone has to know one of them.

[Steve68]

Sorry Tyler, I know I would be beside myself,

like Tony said post em up lets go hunting,

[eville]

that ****ing sucks!
there's no need for a thief.
If you find them, they need to have their hands cut off.

[shmoov69]

Wow!! Just......WoW!
Sorry for you.

[JMarsa]

Sorry about your trouble. I hope there's something better around the corner for you.

--JMarsa

[67SSDan]

Holy crap dude... that was no doubt the project from hell! One dark cloud after another. Sorry to hear about this bro... very lame.

Dan

[Jimmy Sean]

Truly sorry for you. Man this sucks 50/50 was one of my favorite cars even though it was never finished.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[XLexusTech]

This is why I am in favor of the death penalty.

[parsonsj]

Sorry Tyler.

50/50 was a pioneer of this whole pro-touring thing. I always figured you'd finish it one day.

jp

[David Sloan]

Man that just SUCCCKKKKKSSSSSSSSS ASSSSSSSSSSS!!
Sorry for the problems Tyler!

[Jim Nilsen]

I was once in a race with myself to get my car done before Tyler and then job situations changed,I bought a house and moved . Then I got a bunch of stuff done and then the guy who was working on it got cancer [oh yea that was me]. I was still in the running to get done before Tyler once I got over my obsession to have all of the things I want but don't need to just get the car on the road.

I am still in shock to learn it was stolen. Worse yet that the police are so lame. The work that was done on that car will always be like a fingerprint even without tags. I know that I will notice just pieces of that car if they show up somewhere else.

The drama can make you sick or just fall over crying and trying to laughing at yourself on the floor. Either way , picking up the pieces takes a certain amount of light on the subject after things get put in the dark. It is a closed door subject and a sad ending.

"Shine on you crazy Diamond"

[rlplive]

sorry man, thats horrible

[Gonzostyle]

Tyler,
What about some of the hidden VIN locations, ie under the heater box (firewall) etc? I am very sorry to hear it was stolen, it was a project I kept tabs on.

-Jeremie

[TitoJones]

So the key code pad camera that my storage space has to let people in and out got a good shot of the guy as he was walking out. Hope someone recognizes him.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/1z1s7cl-1.jpg

Also Bakersfield Police Department called this morning with a guy trying to sell some old scrap metal that looks like car parts. They detained him and kept the scrap as evidence. Might be a good lead.....

Tyler

[JMarsa]

D-BAG ALERT

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/1z1s7cl-1.jpg

--JMarsa

[paulk68]

Have you looked in to contacting the local news they always do stories like that in my area. i would give it a try if you can get thtat guys face out there someone has to know him.

[TitoJones]

Mr. Beauregard,

We have recovered part of the vehicle that you reported stolen. There is no visible VIN anywhere on the car, but the pictures you provided are a match. We have towed it to our impound lot awaiting your arrival. Please contact the impound lot officer at 1-661-XXX-XXXX extension 131. Please bring a copy of the title, the incident report you filed in Las Vegas, and a photo ID to reclaim your property. I'm including a picture of the recovered item.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/s6ium8-1.jpg




Looks like I might have a good weekend afterall.

Tyler

[jy211]

Bro I hope you get it all back :machine:

[jy211]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/1z1s7cl-1.jpg


Tyler

You should post his picture up on craigslist. Post it up in the auto parts section in the Bakersfield area!

[Jim Nilsen]

I am betting that that guy has a 50/50 chance of being found dead or alive !!!

It's also nice to know that someone at the police dept. picked up the ball and did something, whew for them.

Go get em Tyler !

[TitoJones]

LOLZ.

So this was obviously a joke. Funny to some, others not so much.

Just in case anyone is skimming and not reading each post:

The 50/50 Camaro was not stolen. It is at Ironworks Speed and Kustom.

I hope I didn't piss too many people off with my little 'Overhaulin' type story. The pic I posted is of Rodger Lee, owner of Ironworks. He picked up 50/50 while out at the SEMA show, and he is going to breathe new life into the car. He and I had the idea to tell people who ask about it that it was stolen, so we ran with it. It picked up more steam than I thought it would in such a short time, I even saw mass emails circulating about it already. For that I apologize. We have a great community here, tons of people willing to help out a stranger; I didn't mean to decive, just wanted to have a little fun with a project that at times got the best of me.

The first hint of my car going to Ironworks actually came out in Rich Allen's thread. Rodger slipped my car into the background of one of his updates. Brent Dupont, Rich Allen, Mick etc picked up on it rather quickly, but few others did. Here is the post for reference:
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=176433&postcount=178

The plan is to cut out the entire chassis and start over. Ironworks will be redoing the front and rear chassis, body and sheetmetal.

Ok. I have confessed. Ready for my flaming and public beating.

Here is a similar post about it at Lateral-g:
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17607


Tyler

[BonzoHansen]

Lol

[jy211]

You should post his picture up on craigslist. Post it up in the auto parts section in the Bakersfield area!

edit: ad his phone number in the personal section....since your friends! LOL :1st:

[bret]

There really is no substitute for youthfull enthusiasm. Thank God!

At the risk of being misunderstood...this extreme build style is a mirror of where Street Rodding went about 15 years ago, and Pro Street went 25 years ago...with a new, more serious and purposeful twist.
One of the crucial things needed to build a successful car that knock everyone off their feet is to be completely unafraid of not conforming. I don't think there is any doubt about that with these two...on any front.

Good luck Roger and Tyler...this will be great!

[cjrolke]

oh my god
you had me hook line and sinker on that one

not cool

lol

[derekf]

Funny, it's not 1 April.

All in favor of a ban?

No, actually I'm happy to hear that your car isn't really gone.

Which isn't to say I wouldn't break out the banhammer if the masses demand it. :)

[Portlandrodder]

what a dumb practical joke.

[James OLC]

I told you it was some **** who probably took it. Looks like I was right. Keep an eye on him...

50/50 was (is?) a great project on it's own... 50/50 with an Ironworks flare will be awesome!

[Jim Nilsen]

Funny, it's not 1 April.

All in favor of a ban?

No, actually I'm happy to hear that your car isn't really gone.

Which isn't to say I wouldn't break out the banhammer if the masses demand it. :)


You could at least send him the same email you sent me:lol:

[Jim Nilsen]

I'm really glad that I don't have heart problems.

Glad to see you have a plan, now I have to get better quick to get done before you damn it.

I wish I had bought cancer insurance, then I would be getting a big check to have the Schwartz finish mine. But I will still have to just plug away on my own. Now if those guy's take as long as the others and have the same problems with those composite people they choose that you have had I just might be able to beat you still.:wedgie:

You are going to give up the composites aren't you?:idea:

[dhutton]

I'm surprised Tito Jones pulled this prank. Seems more like something his alter ego Tyler Beauregard would pull.

Don

[XLexusTech]

No hint of a Lie I smelled a rat form Jump street. The only thing that threw me ws the 10k in coverage. Glad to hear this thing is not dead.

[nvmyss]

Man I was ready to call you. The pic looks like someone that I knew from my street racing days and he use to be shady like that.

[Bow Tie 67]

LOLZ.

So this was obviously a joke. Funny to some, others not so much.

Just in case anyone is skimming and not reading each post:

The 50/50 Camaro was not stolen. It is at Ironworks Speed and Kustom.

I hope I didn't piss too many people off with my little 'Overhaulin' type story. The pic I posted is of Rodger Lee, owner of Ironworks. He picked up 50/50 while out at the SEMA show, and he is going to breathe new life into the car. He and I had the idea to tell people who ask about it that it was stolen, so we ran with it. It picked up more steam than I thought it would in such a short time, I even saw mass emails circulating about it already. For that I apologize. We have a great community here, tons of people willing to help out a stranger; I didn't mean to decive, just wanted to have a little fun with a project that at times got the best of me.

The first hint of my car going to Ironworks actually came out in Rich Allen's thread. Rodger slipped my car into the background of one of his updates. Brent Dupont, Rich Allen, Mick etc picked up on it rather quickly, but few others did. Here is the post for reference:
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=176433&postcount=178

The plan is to cut out the entire chassis and start over. Ironworks will be redoing the front and rear chassis, body and sheetmetal.

Ok. I have confessed. Ready for my flaming and public beating.

Here is a similar post about it at Lateral-g:
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17607


Tyler


I'm just seeing this for the first time. Good for you Tyler, that ride in Steves car got the fire lit under your a**. Wait until you get to pound on 50/50 from behind the drivers seat. Driving my P.O.S. is better than any drug I have experienced and believe me I have had plenty.

Matt

[David Sloan]

I'm just seeing this for the first time. Good for you Tyler, that ride in Steves car got the fire lit under your a**. Wait until you get to pound on 50/50 from behind the drivers seat. Driving my P.O.S. is better than any drug I have experienced and believe me I have had plenty.

Matt


I here ya Brother!!!

[B Schein]

Did you narrow the cradle to get the wheels back under the car some or is it still stock c5 wheel base

[PonchoJohn]

You freakin' douche! I was all set you roll down the 99 and lay down some beatings- haha! Man, I'm glad this was a joke- when I saw the frame pic w/ the green/white fender in the background, I was like -- Hey, WTF??!!
I'm glad Ironworks is doing it, but I had a car stolen (never covered), so I was feelin' WAY bad for you.
Oh well, can't wait to see the results...

[HOOLIGAN]

I hope we will get some updates/pics as the project moves forward. I thought is was strange how you commented on 'the ugly green color' on the camaro in the background.lol ! Maybe that was on 'Lat-G', I don't remember.

[Jim Nilsen]

I hope we will get some updates/pics as the project moves forward. I thought is was strange how you commented on 'the ugly green color' on the camaro in the background.lol ! Maybe that was on 'Lat-G', I don't remember.

Now he has 35 days to get it done and has to put up video constantly to entertain us since MotiV8tor is done:lmao:

Once the bar has been set you know how P/T junkies can be.:git:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Ah.. you asswipe!


hahahhaha

finally.. get the damn thing finished!!

[BLT2DRIVE]

Now that it's in progress again, any other details or changes from the original concept? When it's done let Dave wring it out with you, then you'll know "That's how deep you're supposed to go?" LOL Good Luck! Todd

[MrQuick]

dude....

that wasn't funny.

I've been putting a team together and now...nothing. Maybe we can invade a small country?


Good luck with it Tyler.


v

[TitoJones]

All progress updates are going to be located here:

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50030

Tyler

[TonyL]

indeed. You had me going. I was hoping to get a chance at busting someone up good over it. *puts his 2 foot breaker bar away* At last 50/50 will get done. One more "figurehead" car will get its rightful place in the sun, right up there with MotiV8er. It's cool to see all these cars coming together after so long.

[lowboy]

Is Project 50/50 going to be built using all of ATS's go fast goodies(i.e. ATS front clip, LD's 3-link) or not?

[TonyL]

I'd say nope. That's what the black car is for, me thinks.

[novanutcase]

Hahahaha!!! Rodger had told me about it but told me to keep it off the boards. I kept reading this thread thinking "MAN! Are they gonna be pissed!" Hahahahahaha!!!!!

John

[skatinjay27]

Is Project 50/50 going to be built using all of ATS's go fast goodies(i.e. ATS front clip, LD's 3-link) or not?
NO WAY. 50/50 is no where near gonna be a car that production parts could be based off of.lol
like tony said grandpa is for that.

[HWY Nova]

Hahahaha!!! Rodger had told me about it but told me to keep it off the boards. I kept reading this thread thinking "MAN! Are they gonna be pissed!" Hahahahahaha!!!!!

John


Me too! I knew about it. I even saw it in Rodger's trailer in Vegas!.... (gulp)




--Eric