atomic orange

[awesometool]

Five weeks away and I will finally have it back it has been a little over a year at shop. I had a hard time picking a color atomic orange is not to wild but not to plain. What do you guys think of this color and all original rs/ss trim on a 68? The 40,000 bill from body shop is a little more than I have so I will need to borrow some to pay the bill. When it comes I can start assembly and save for the hogan intake/exhaust/hydra brake and brake kit since the bear brake kit will not fit new ford rear end. HOPE TO POST FINISHED PICS AUGUST 10TH
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[Johnny Blaze]

Interesting. I would like to see it in natural sunlight.

Thats one hell of a body shop bill!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm doing a story on "OEM paint" colors.. Atomic Orange is one of the ones I mention. Killer color.

Do you know the paint code?

$40,000 paint bill? :faint:

[79_GBody]

$40,000 :scared: I think i'll leave mine the dull brown it is.

[Roger Poirier]

You get what you pay for......

[Steve Chryssos]

Love the color:1st:

[z4me69]

looks good but 40 grand man im glad i am able to do mine myself

[Posi12Bolt]

I've heard of $10k, $20k... even $25k.... BUT $40k!?!?!?!?
****, if you got it spend it

[novanutcase]

I'm interested in knowing what $40,000 got you! What did they do for that? Were there lots of sheetmetal mods?

John

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

WHOA!

40 grand!?!?!?.. i know someone here that can do the same if not better for 20 and be happy!

[ViperBlue68]

I'm interested in knowing what $40,000 got you! What did they do for that? Were there lots of sheetmetal mods?

John

take a look at the pics....IF they did some of the mods that you can see I can see him gettin a big bill....40k bill? I dunno if thats justified I avent seen the car in person...but none the less i know how it is to get a bill bigger than expected when a project snowballs at a shop and you just keep adding ideas and are gettin billed by the hour which was prolly the case here...

[Kenova]

Hmmmmm :hmm: Welded in subframe connectors (look like DSE's) ... mini tubbed ..... oh yeah, I see brackets for a DSE Quadra Link rear suspension.
That's all that my untrained eyes can pick out.
Ken

Oh yeah, cool colour. Can't wait to see it in sunlight.

[dropit69]

front subframe modified for coilovers..smoothed firewall..awesome frikin color.!!!!!

[formula98]

Looks great! Do you have a list of all that was done for the $40K? Looks like they did alot of work (firewall, subframe, connectors, DSE Quadra Link rear suspension, mini tubs, etc). If they did this from the start, stripped it down and to this point $40k is a bargan. Did the price include the parts? Keep the posts coming.

[Young Gun]

im curious what you had done that put the cost at 40k...nice color though...

[Patrick]

Does that come with "a reach around" ?

Just kidding....Do you have any more photos of the car...ie..prior to the build and during the build? Great color BTW.

[70TWO NOVA]

Sick

[Restomod]

You get what you pay for......

Maybe but I wont have that in my whole freakin car!!!!! I to would be interestd in seeing/hearing what was done for that much.

[Young Gun]

nvm then...guess they changed back haha

[awesometool]

steve I will get paint code and post it. They installed dse fire wall, dse quadralink, dse coil over, dse subframe connectors, dse mini tubs, used roof, center trunk pan, lower tail pan, roll cage, ford 9", worked on small dents on floor, one lower center dent on sub frame, quarters the old one had many small dings. They supplied all dse parts, roof, ford 9", lower tail pan and I supplied the rest. Lucky it had very little rust. Here are some pic before it left my house and then the shop.
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[Jims78elky]

Very Nice!

The 572 doesn't hurt also..$40.000.00 for a paint job?

Now I realize that Iam just a boy in a mans hobby!

Whew...:eek:



Post some more pics when it gets done!

-Jim

[67velle]

Can't wait to see it done!!!!!!!!!!!As for the money ,if you Can afford it GO FOR IT!!!:injured:

[dropit69]

wow nice work..what are you doing with the rear that was in it?..that it sitting under the car?.

[Josh292]

40k

[Josh292]

40k you can almost buy a new corvette for that!! it does look nice and it better be award winning body work and paint for that kind of money!! like the color though!! :twothumbs

[awesometool]

dropit69 I"m going to sell the new moser 12 bolt and hotchis suspension, baer brakes, upper/lower control arms, strange shocks,gas tank complete,fenders,old glass,old hood, inner fender and seat covers/foam/springs tons of stuff changeschanges and more changes

[David Sloan]

Five weeks away and I will finally have it back it has been a little over a year at shop. I had a hard time picking a color atomic orange is not to wild but not to plain. What do you guys think of this color and all original rs/ss trim on a 68? The 40,000 bill from body shop is a little more than I have so I will need to borrow some to pay the bill. When it comes I can start assembly and save for the hogan intake/exhaust/hydra brake and brake kit since the bear brake kit will not fit new ford rear end. HOPE TO POST FINISHED PICS AUGUST 10TH
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Very nice work!!
I think i really like the color would like to see pics in sun light too!
Thanks for sharing

[restomodbird69]

great car

[Todds69]

What car uses the Atomic Orange as it's OEM color?

[Taylor1969]

What car uses the Atomic Orange as it's OEM color?

2006 C6

[rellim51]

I think the bill is on par for most pro shops. Probably a little low.

[Rebird]

Holy Cow, that looks great!! keep the pics coming, thanks!

[MarkM66]

To much of the same color. JMO.

[awesometool]

The suspension,drive shaft and transmission color should offset it a little?

[formula98]

I like the under side painted and agree that the suspension and other parts should offset it. Keep the progress pics coming. Looks very nice

[awesometool]

Its off to New York for Syracuse nationals to but I took some updated pictures. There a little blurry I was so excited could not stop shaking long enough. I will post better ones from out side at show. The suspension is set at top height so it will be lowered.

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[awesometool]

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[Texan]

I sure hope 40 grr will get the whole car painted these days! Looks great. Take out that 2nd mortgage and keep the pics coming!!!

1st gen Camaros - never a bad choice
572's - SIC!
Atomic Orange - takes a back seat only to good ol black IMO.

Nice combo!!!

(my .02 cents - shoot the block and covers some other color that won't clash with the A.O. and hurry the hell up - I wanna see more!)

[Joey_H]

Atomic Orange was a new color for the 2007 C6 Vette. It replaced Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic.

[Whistler]

40K is a lot of money, but you had a ton of stuff done. It looks awesome!

[gearheads78]

The car looks amazing. Can't wait to see completed pics.

Everyone seems to be freaking about the cost and its way out of my buget too but did you guys not notice the parts that were included in that price? Most shops of that caliber are 80-120 per shop hour and to do all the mods, buy the parts, and all the paint and body work its really not that bad.

[chopshopcustoms]

The car looks amazing. Can't wait to see completed pics.

Everyone seems to be freaking about the cost and its way out of my buget too but did you guys not notice the parts that were included in that price? Most shops of that caliber are 80-120 per shop hour and to do all the mods, buy the parts, and all the paint and body work its really not that bad.

Hi there- Im the guy who's shop built the car - feel free to ask away on anything you would like :drive2:. The car is already a contender for some nice magazine coverage when finished. Did anyone get to see it in person at the Syracuse Nats in my booth ? Let me know - thanks

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

okay, how about a list of what yall are doing that warrants 40gs..

not hating, just curious..

[chopshopcustoms]

okay, how about a list of what yall are doing that warrants 40gs..

not hating, just curious..

Be glad to :
hand fabricated new fire wall
dse quadralink
dse coil over
dse subframe connectors
dse mini tubs
replaced roof
replaced trunk floor
replaced lower tail pan
hand fabricated roll cage with door swing outs (custom fitted to owner)
ford 9" rear end
repaired and welded floors
installed dse sub frame kit
replaced quarters
fabricated seat stanchions for aftermarket seats
car has been fitted and gapped
frame off rotisserie restoration
Undercarriage has has had body work & paitn as well

The labor and parts (and supplies) have been included in the price (Almost 1/2 is just the parts alone). There have been some modifications to the original design (by the customer) which have also resulted in changes to the work.

Detroit Speed Engineering parts dont come cheap and my shop's work isnt MAACO quality either :) ! We dont do collision work in the shop (in other words we arent an auto body shop that does modern car repair and then some classic work on the side). Restorations and custom work is all we focus on. The type of vehicle really doesnt matter either- the rates are the same for all classics that roll in the door and many of my customer builds have been a labor of love and not just for resale value.

Hope that helps to clarify ! Gotta go to work!

[trapin]

Lenny, thank you for that clarification. When he mentioned the $40K price tag I knew that it was not just for paint. There is definitely $40K worth of parts and labor in that bill....probably more.

And nice work by the way. That car is going to be amazing when it debuts.

[chopshopcustoms]

Lenny, thank you for that clarification. When he mentioned the $40K price tag I knew that it was not just for paint. There is definitely $40K worth of parts and labor in that bill....probably more.

And nice work by the way. That car is going to be amazing when it debuts.
LOL- my paint work isnt that expensive- the average paint job is about $10K right now.... Thanks for the vote of confidence in the car- I cant wait until its done either- it will really be a great ride. Allen made some great choices for his build.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

aaaah, now it makes sense..

good show.

[zo66]

WOW,I think that that price is very good if it holds,will be interested to see what the final tally is.The car looks awsome,will it have stripes?keep the pics coming

[chopshopcustoms]

WOW,I think that that price is very good if it holds,will be interested to see what the final tally is.The car looks awsome,will it have stripes?keep the pics coming
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wow- did that color ever POP in the sun!

[J2speedandcustom]

The car looks great! You have done alot of good work and believe me, 40G for all that sounds like a good deal to me!

[NRV051]

looks great. I cant wait to see it finished.

[MarkM66]

Hi there- Im the guy who's shop built the car - feel free to ask away on anything you would like :drive2:. The car is already a contender for some nice magazine coverage when finished. Did anyone get to see it in person at the Syracuse Nats in my booth ? Let me know - thanks

What magazines would that be?

[724tim]

I'm doing a story on "OEM paint" colors.. Atomic Orange is one of the ones I mention. Killer color.

Do you know the paint code?

$40,000 paint bill? :faint:

Steve1968LS2
not sure if this will help you but
the code from corvette is 83U-AtomicOrange

[awesometool]

It's not done yet but almost. I have both hoods done ss and 4" cowl. I can't wait going nuttts:bananna2:

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[ponjohn]

Ourageous, love the color.

Did you not go with rack and pinion for a reason?

John

[awesometool]

I don't think it will fit with a big block

[NOPANTS-68]

I don't think it will fit with a big block

the Unisteer one does.

[ponjohn]

I have a 71 Ventura (same subframe) with a Pinto rack in it, this car had a 605 Donovan in it before I bought it.

John

[restomodbird69]

damn niceride!!

[chopshopcustoms]

What magazines would that be? Its a primedia magazibe- a local good friend shoots pics for them and has been in contact with one of the Editors. I know other Primedai guys are on the board too so Id rather not jinx myself... :cool:

[65chevelle''ss'']

Insane ride!!! Keep the pics coming.....

[Texan]

It's been 10 days - isn't it done yet!? :razz:

Any assembly progress since the paint dried?

[awesometool]

this was from saturday its not done.
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[awr68]

Looking good!!

[bownarrow]

I just painted mine 3 weeks ago in the garage - tough as nails color to paint, 4-6 passes to get coverage. I ended up spraying 3/4 of a gallon base unredused (1 3/4 reduced) just on the outer body shell.

Looks good at night, but rocks in mid-day sun.

18774

[awesometool]

I agree it looks nice when inside but outside in the sun it changes completely. I like outside better but some people have the opposite opion. I love how it changes shade as the sun hits it. I like house of colors but I'm glad I used this it would have been a little to much bling bling for me. Do you have any larger pictures of you car? It looks great!!!!!

[Stoker420]

AWSOME RIDE MAN!!!


what are the specs on the rims are those budniks??? how come no sway bar?


very nice I want to get a close look at that I'm in RI. love to see it when it ready.

[Texas Hotrod]

Awesome color in the sun. Everything looks great.

First off, the car was down to 100% bare metal (as were the other builds in his shop). Perfection is never cheap and it looks to me like you got a hell of a deal. Yes $40K is a lot of money, but in the time of $100K+ restos, it doesn't sound like a rip. There is a difference in crafting metal and working bondo. Lenny is a true craftsman, any monkey can slap bondo in a freakin dent.

I have a friend that submitted pics of his car to a magazine. He was told that it was only good enough for the "reader's rides" section. So, when your car makes it to a cover story, who's gunna have the last laugh???????

My Camaro was in bare metal, now it's primered. I built a custom frame, added modern suspension, mocked in engine/tranny, building this, modding that, etc... The to-do list never seems to get shorter. Once it's all put together it'll have to be torn apart for final paint/detailing. One day mine will be where yours is at.

Don't mind the skeptics, Lenny. They don't realize that builds of this caliber have to be built twice. Making the underside look as good as the top is even more work, making that $40K seem like a bargain.

Excellent work. It'll draw crowds and win shows.

Keep us posted.

[chopshopcustoms]

Awesome color in the sun. Everything looks great.

Don't mind the skeptics, Lenny. They don't realize that builds of this caliber have to be built twice. Making the underside look as good as the top is even more work, making that $40K seem like a bargain.

Excellent work. It'll draw crowds and win shows.

Keep us posted.
Thanks Texas- Im realy glad people like the car. Just got a Murray Pfaff rendering done of it and I am getting some pro pictires taken today to be submitted with the article for a mag. Keeping my fingers crossed!

If all goes well and it progresses as it should (which I cant see whay it wont) I want to bring it even more worked on to the East Coast Camaro show in Nashua NH Sept 9 th (?- I think thats the date).
Not moving it anywhere right now- truck and trailer are down ....
Just found out yesterday a 49 Pickup I did last year is in a 5 page spread in Primedia's Classic Trucks next month. Its a good week!:woot:

[cubes]

No one's comented on the nice wheels. The Budnik Ice wheels complete the whole package, nice offset on the back. What are the secs on the wheels and the fat Pirelli P Zero Rosso rubber ?

[Stoker420]

dude I love those wheels!

[NRV051]

looking red hot there mate.

gav

[awesometool]

The rims specs I got directly from Detroit speed rear 18" x 12" 5.5 back space, fat lip, 1/2" mounting pad, 1/2" lug and they provided the rear end width specs, front are 18" x 8" , fat lip 1/2 mounting pad, 7/16 lug. The pirelli's are zero's 335/30r/18 rear 500.00 each ouch, front are 245/35/18. The ice style rim are a little blingy but they will look good with all the stock trim. When I get it bak it will still take me a couple of months to finish interior, trim, brakes, ? fuel injection and so on hopefully by January 2008 it will be done but not sure on that. It will be stange to have it back in the garage me and my son spent so many hours sand blasting frame, taking all the paint of the body and the the floor pans with a 2" disk. Still wish I stripped the under side of the car though.

[awesometool]

It's ready to be picked up tommorrow. It has gone back to the ss hood for now. If I can post pics tommorrow I will if not definetly many shots thursday. I have yet to see the nose completed so I'm exicited.

[Simbad68]

Nice set up!! I have to agree, you get what you pay for. Been there, done that!! Congrats on the nice ride!

[Vegas69]

Price seems fair to me as well. Look at what a top notch restomod brings. Their is one on ebay right now that has already hit 85k and has 5 days left. They aren't cheap to build right from the ground up. By the way killer car!!!!!!!

[awesometool]

what is fair to ask for on body lines I want to know if I'm being a pain in the ass since I know I can be picky? I have tried my best to make the car top notch and spent my life savings on it.

[dafabricata]

There is a white sticky residue in my pants after looking at that car....ummm...yeah.
I really like that color. I had a Z24 that I painted an Orange pearl and it looked soo damn nice in the sun!!
I wanna see it finished!

[projectPONY]

bitchin' car. don't know if you posted it yet but I would like to know the color code also.

[awesometool]

the paint code is 83 2007 atomic orange.

[BonzoHansen]

Car looks great. I like that color a lot. What makes me LOL is unfisnished it is getting more 'miles' then a lot of finished cars. LOLx2

[awesometool]

I got the for sure I'm picking it up tomorrow :jump: can not wait to see it with the hood on and complete. I Will be posting the :pics2: tomorrow yaaaaaaaahoooooooooo its been seventeen months since it left my house. Might not be able to sleep tonight.

[formula98]

17 months, that's all (lol) I'm looking forward to the pictures. I'd have trouble sleeping!

[chopshopcustoms]

I got the for sure I'm picking it up tomorrow :jump: can not wait to see it with the hood on and complete. I Will be posting the :pics2: tomorrow yaaaaaaaahoooooooooo its been seventeen months since it left my house. Might not be able to sleep tonight.

It really did come out beautiful.It was amazing on how far it came from the shell it started with all the way to this beauty.

Here is a copy of the slide show of the work done here:

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Thank you.:camaro:

[awesometool]

Well today was one of the worst experience I ever had. When to pick it up at chopshopcustom and it had 8 large chips in paint a couple filled as if it was done with finger nail polish brush, three 1" look likes hairs in clear coat, lots of small bubbles but under clear coat, scratches everwhere and some of the paint is only green no orange and I don understand why it would be green only? After having to pull one of chop-shopcustoms employee away from pushing my wife and all of his guys telling me you only spent 40,000.00 so we can not fix the chip and of stuff and Lenny saying screaming at his guys and me he said he could fix that but it would have to be in the future. I know I'm picky but macco painted my chevelle and it came out PERFECT NOT GOOD BUT PERFECT. Anyways I guess it going to need to be painted again. I have a nice 15 footer paint job. The metal work was extremely good. This is my first time I have ever been taken for a ride and it sucks. To upset to post pictures today so maybe tomorrow. Does anyone know of a good honest place local to south shore in Boston to get it repainted? What a ****ty day.:ripped:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

W O A H!.... wtf...

post pictures dude...

[chopshopcustoms]

Well today was one of the worst experience I ever had. he said he could fix that but it would have to be in the future. I know I'm picky but macco painted my chevelle and it came out PERFECT NOT GOOD BUT PERFECT. Anyways I guess it going to need to be painted again. I have a nice 15 footer paint job. The metal work was extremely good. This is my first time I have ever been taken for a ride and it sucks. To upset to post pictures today so maybe tomorrow. Does anyone know of a good honest place local to south shore in Boston to get it repainted? What a ****ty day.:ripped:



Unfortunately, the end of the job didnt end like I expected either- I thought this would end nicely. The car is a head turner, WAS offered a photo shoot ina Primedia mag (which I will now cancel) and the owner doesnt understand what he has -which is a $150,000 build for less than 1/2 of what should have been charged. A lot of the work (after I ran the numbers) was done for free- I did the entire car for less than $30000 labor. :pat: The paint job , which took over 200 hours alone was done for about $3200 labor- who got screwed here? (I had agreed to that price in a contract to get it finished so I could show it on behalf of my shop- that was the agreement-which I guess wont be happening now) I know in the future, I wont put myself in a position of trading off work costs for advertising use- its not the right move and I have learned that the hard way.

I would be glad to show any of the invoices to anyone who asks- again- I have an open door policy in my shop-the actual car work without parts purchased ran about $27K- thats pitifully small chump change.(Which no offense - I wont ever do again...I lost $$ on this car after paying my overhead and staff) We all know that this car should have been 3 times that amount for the metalwork alone.
For those of you who have seen it- the Orange 'Sweet & low' car that has been in a myriad of magazines in the past year was done for $180K + and the builder of that car was amazed at the work we did on this Camaro.

(here is a link to the image of it ) http://www.chop-shopcustoms.com/wow04.jpg

The 'green paint the owner is talking about is the pearl in the orange. (Which is gold) When highlighting areas like roof lines,body lines etc- the pearl will be more prevalent- hence the 'green' (which is the flop color of the gold pearl) the owner is talking about- nothing wrong here- just someone who doesnt understand the paint they chose.

If you think MAACO does a 'perfect' paint job and like the way they do their 'show' paint jobs and what they charge- feel free to go to MAACO.

I run an upstanding business and stand behind my work and my staff.

It sad that this had to end this way- and that the car was taken away with an industrial car hauler yesterday- I can only imagine the damage that was done hooking the tow chain underneath and wrapping the tires and then driving an OPEN trailer down the road after all that work. With no door rubbers on the car yet - I bet the doors banged all the way home -makes me cringe just thinking of it..

One of the many reasons I have an enclosed trailer to haul customer cars with- I would have been happy to take it home, but the owner never asked .

The owner viewed the paint prior to picking the car up yesterday, yet didnt have any complaints then- only when your wife came along to pay your final bill- and proceeded the slam the doors to a newly painted car -not too cool I may add .

In my 25 years of doing custom work, I have NEVER seen someone like this come through ANY shop I have ever worked in- here or on the West Coast, and choreograph such a scene. Again, I commend my staff for keeping their cool and just trying to keep the peace . I had other customers there at that time, and it really was an embarassment (for you).

I have had cars go to Pebble Beach as well as won numerous National awards in large shows, Barrett Jackson auctions and on the ISCA circuit. I dont need to tout my accomplishments on the qquality of work I do- they speak for themselves.


I offered to make right what you felt was wrong at a later date and that offer still stands. Its now up to the owner. I hope he takes a good look at the car, its razor straight body lines,head turning stance and work -calms down and reconsiders because there isnt any shop within 300 miles that can do what I did for him and at at a price that he will accept.( He balked at THIS price). Hot Rod Shop owners are a small group- we all know each other on the East Coast and chat on a regular basis.

With every car I do , I put a bit of me personally into it and treat it as if it were my own- maybe I shouldn't do that ,but I do. Someone has to keep reminding me that this is JUST a job right????


No one was taken for a ride . If anyone would like to speak with me about the job or anything I did to the car- they are welcome to speak with me in person , or via email. I stand behind my work.

[MarkM66]

Lenny, just so you know, the link in your sig to your business's website, does not work.

[chopshopcustoms]

Lenny, just so you know, the link in your sig to your business's website, does not work.thanks- didnt know- Ill fix it now

[Texan]

So customer says his new car with "0" road miles has chips, bubbles, and scratches in his new paint job yet shop owner thinks hes done a $150K build on a rolling chassis? There are miles between those 2 perceptions! All I know is - sombody lyin'...

[chopshopcustoms]

So customer says his new car with "0" road miles has chips, bubbles, and scratches in his new paint job yet shop owner thinks hes done a $150K build on a rolling chassis? There are miles between those 2 perceptions! All I know is - sombody lyin'...
Texan: I have offered to work with the customer for anything he feels isnt right about the job -I stand behind my work .He was absolutelty adamant about taking the car yesterday so the ball is in his court now.
Again- if anyone wants to speak with me about this build or ANY of the other work I have done (or am doing) in the shop, I have an open door policy and nothing to hide.Ill be happy to talk with anyone.:usa:

I wont continue to air dirty laundry on this job- there are many factors about the job that I havent made public as I dont feel its right or ethical to do so .To smear someone publicly just makes you stoop to a low level.

[skatinjay27]

im gonna have to agree with lenny on this one...1- the price is amazing if you consider all the parts an labor!!! 2-i agree with you that it was a HUGE mistake to give him a SET price on a built of this magnitude.

[Travis B]

:box:

[Vegas69]

To me if you agree to do a job for a certain price it should be done right for that price regardless. Unless you add things or run into issues. You guys should cool off for a while and try to work it out. I am sure the builder doesn't want a bad reputation and the owner wants the job he was promised. Good luck.

[GT500KR_Vert]

The guy offered to fix the flaws the owner found, I think that's fair. Although to me the car should have been checked over before the owner came or was called to come. But I'm not there and I haven't seen the flaws.

I've had worse; I had one shop up in NJ restoring my old mustang; the guy butchered it to the point it wasn't worth it to continue that project and tried to charge me $5000 to do it. We ended up in small claims court to settle the different. I ended up paying out his materials list and not his labor even though the car was shot at that point, I sold the car and bought a new one used all the parts I bought on the new car which is still being built. I can say though it's hard to keep a client happy. I'm not completely happy with my current builder either, he's done things wrong that I had to call him on and I'm still waiting for him to fix; and some things it's just not worth fighting over even though I don't like what was done.

Strange though, If you are paying someone to build you something, what's wrong with wanting it completed to your satisfaction? I work that way with my clients.

[skatinjay27]

To me if you agree to do a job for a certain price it should be done right for that price regardless. Unless you add things or run into issues. You guys should cool off for a while and try to work it out. I am sure the builder doesn't want a bad reputation and the owner wants the job he was promised. Good luck.yep that why i said it was HIS mistake to give him a set price... but agreed regardless the finish product should be as good as any of your other work...

[chopshopcustoms]

yep that why i said it was HIS mistake to give him a set price... but agreed regardless the finish product should be as good as any of your other work...

I agree as well. The ball is in the customer's court now. I am willing to work with him for anything he finds unacceptable .

I just have two cars that need to get to SEMA that needed finishing and I cant do anything else right now.

The customer wanted to take the car yesterday- its not my place to stop him .

Again I stand behind my work and shop and have an open door policy to keep everything in the open- nothing to hide.:grouphug:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

let the pics tell the truth.. or at least SOME of the truth.

[Texan]

Lenny - I don't have a dog in this fight as I don't know either one of you personally and haven't seen the finished product or the alleged paint flaws. I am confused though that you claim 150K worth of work and a 200 hour paint job on this car yet your having to offer to fix paint flaws at a later date? Chips could have happened yesterday morning and you might not have even been aware of them (especially if one of your boys touched them up and didn't bring it to anyones attention :ssst: ) Bubbles in the clear though? Surely someone noticed them before yesterday? Im just sayin':dunno:

[ponjohn]

Sorry to see this fell apart so quickly.

[awesometool]

Thanks for all of your opions guys I gave it a lot of thought today and I have to move on staying mad makes me miserable. With all the help I have got in the past years from this board its make it a little easier. All the pms from all the sites we use you guys are great. I'm meeting a highly recommend painter from this site tonight and if I can afford it I will have it redone. I not going to make anymore comments of the previous work done or the shop name. I feel as though posting the close up pictures of stuff at the shop will not help anyone. Lets get fixed and then I can enjoy it someday.


Please do not close this post so I can keep the progress of the car going. I do not want it to be closed like team camaro for so many new to the board today members posting.

[SatisTraction]

i would be sick if this was my car. not saying that the shop is at fault or not doing their best to resolve it but i would be sick if i picked my car up with paint chips and then had someone push my wife. that employee should be fired on the spot no matter what!!! (based on his version of the truth)

[ROACHZ28]

If you spent $40,000 for paint,parts and labor you should not have any problems what so ever. You car should be perfect!! I`m very sorry that happened to you sir.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

its truly hard for me to have sympathy if we dont see what youre talking about..

I know of another painter that had a problem with a guy because he just wanted to have something to complain about, and i saw the car myself and wondered what was he griping about..

not saying that youre not telling the truth its just hard to see youre claims if they might be "hyped up"

the.. pics.. would.. tell.. YOUR.. story.

besides.. these post pretty much crucify Chopshop Customs.. so i think they deserve the evidence before they are nailed in.

[GT500KR_Vert]

you really should post the pictures. I might make you feel better.

Also you should always give the shop a chance to fix it; he's offered, what is the worse that can happen?

If all you are complaining about is the paint and he did a great job on the rest; let him fix it. I saw the pictures of the rest of the car and it looks like great work to me.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I saw the pictures of the rest of the car and it looks like great work to me.

thats why i think this may be alittle bull-shizz.

[chopshopcustoms]

thats why i think this may be alittle bull-shizz.

Here is a link to the photos we have of the car as recently as the day the car was picked up .

http://www.chop-shopcustoms.com/Done_rides/68CamaroKapson/CamaroKapson.htm


Again- I stand behind my work and have offered to work with the customer on anything he feels is unacceptable- its up to him now.

By the way, thought maybe some of you would enjoy this little ditty I just got by email from a friend...
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/snap-on-tools-and-dr-neon-keep-on/n20070827104909990040?cid=2369
Im probably painting this car too (for Snap on yet!) ....Ill be down there again next week .
:rotfl:

[GT500KR_Vert]

After Looking at those pictures; he got a steal at $40k including the parts.

That's really nice work.

If there are flaws in the part I'd be curious to see them and wonder how they got there. Even so you offered to fix them. I wouldn't have let the car leave your shop until it was right; I also wouldn;t have paid you until it was right.

I've got about $50k into my car when all is said and done. I hope it turns out that nice.



Here is a link to the photos we have of the car as recently as the day the car was picked up .

http://www.chop-shopcustoms.com/Done_rides/68CamaroKapson/CamaroKapson.htm


Again- I stand behind my work and have offered to work with the customer on anything he feels is unacceptable- its up to him now.

By the way, thought maybe some of you would enjoy this little ditty I just got by email from a friend...
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/snap-on-tools-and-dr-neon-keep-on/n20070827104909990040?cid=2369
Im probably painting this car too....Ill be down there again next week .
:rotfl:

[chopshopcustoms]

After Looking at those pictures; he got a steal at $40k including the parts.

That's really nice work.

If there are flaws in the part I'd be curious to see them and wonder how they got there. Even so you offered to fix them. I wouldn't have let the car leave your shop until it was right; I also wouldn;t have paid you until it was right.

I've got about $50k into my car when all is said and done. I hope it turns out that nice.

The customer was adamant on taking the car so I didnt stop him. It was his choice. Glad you like what you see. Makes me feel a bit better after reading this post today....:yeah:

Again- I stand behind my work and have offered to work with him for whatever he feels isnt acceptable. My door is open - its up to the customer now . Dont know what else I can do but offer to help , which is what I have said all along.

[GT500KR_Vert]

Why not let him fix it? It's your money and all, but give the guy the opportunity.

[72Z/28]

After Looking at those pictures; he got a steal at $40k including the parts.

That's really nice work.

If there are flaws in the part I'd be curious to see them and wonder how they got there. Even so you offered to fix them. I wouldn't have let the car leave your shop until it was right; I also wouldn;t have paid you until it was right.

I've got about $50k into my car when all is said and done. I hope it turns out that nice.

Sure it looks an awesome work, and I am not trying to blame anybody, but flaws and the bubbles the owner was talking about can only be seen if the pics are taken very closely. I am sure that's what the owner has done..

I hope this gets sorted out because it really sucks paying lots of $$ and not getting what you expect.

Good luck

[restomodbird69]

i am sorry to see that such a nice car is at this point.Awsometool have you lost all faith in the shop?if not he does deserve the chance to moke the imperfections right.i see he offered to fix it after his sema rides.how long will that be?dont be in a rush to pay someone else when it can be fixed for free.and chopshop customs i think you should fix theses issues asap.i only say this since i am self employed and if my guys srcew somethig up that i have been paid for the repair tkaes priority.it is a beautiful car so be paitient and get it done right before you rush off to get it on the road.just my opinion.

[Texas Hotrod]

What a shocking 180* turn. Everything was fine and everyone was happy, then it all went South.
Chips? Where exactly??? I'd like to know. It all sounds too fishy to me. If it did need a few toutch-ups, then the car should never have left. It's been there this long for the whole process, what's another few weeks???
I can't believe it was wenched up on a roll-back, I find that the most shocking. What part of the car was it tied to??? I hope you have insurance on your life's avings to leave in the hands of those guys.

There's always two sides to a story and I get the impression that some indecisions were made. The SS hood was back on again??? What's that about? I know what hood my car will have, and when it's in final paint, it surely won't be swapped around just to see what it would look like some other way. I now get the impression that Lenny threw in a lot of "freebees" for good faifth.
Plans change, "extras" are added, it lengthens the build. Time is money, I'm one that surely understands that. SEMA is big business (we've all seen the TV rodder shows on how much of a big deal it is), having a car there is the ultimate in exposure. Lenny has 2 on the way??? That sounds like a priority to me, a wise business decision. If he needed a few weeks to tie up some loose ends, a few weeks wouldn't have hurt your schedule.
The big question was never asked. Is this a show car or will it be a true driver??? Something of this caliber looks too risky to be driven. I was at the Bimmer (BMW) dealer one day when a convoy of transporters drove in. All the trailers were sheathed in canvas, the cars were enclosed (I found that interesting). You had the car on a wrecker, Lenny hauls 'em enclosed. Hmmmmm. The final payment was made, you had the car hauled away, it's your puppy now.
I hate to hear how things ended up, I just hope it all turns out in the end.

It's a 15-footer paint job, was that a Chinese ruler? It looks closer than that to me to me.
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[Mr.VENGEANCE]

now i just looked at the photos chopshop put up and MAN.. you gotta show what youre talking about..

dude.. that car looks GREAT to me.. the paint looks VERY good.. and the installs on the parts REALLY look good, alot more than the 40k mark i think.

and i do think youre insane for taking it away on a wrecker...

also im not hating on you at all.. but i feel bad if the mans name gets dirtied by some rediculous claims that (after looking at a gang of pictures) seems so unfounded.

post up your photos.. SHOW what youre talking about man..
its pretty much bad enough with these claims.. at least you can back it up with the photos.

[Texan]

Awesometool - I gotta say the car looks pretty sic in Lenny's slide show! I'm glad SOMEbody posted some pics today:poke: (granted those pics are about the size of a business card and 2D on my monitor so judging a paint job from em is - well - impossible..) Since you and Lenny are apparantly not going to be drinking buddies anytime soon :enguard: iv'e got a couple of other options for ya.

Take it to a third party painter with a rep for show quality work and get an estimate to fix what you think is wrong. Then post it here so those of us in the cheap seats will know if your making mountains out of mole hills or if the work was sub "maaco" to begin with.

Another option would be to convince yourself that the paint is perfect as is and move on with finishing the car off and enjoying the rest of the build. Then, when you roll it out for shows, it if anyone pops off "damn, are those bubbles in the clear? that must suck!" than you can flip them a Chop-Shop Customs business card and know you've done your good deed for the day...

[Texas Hotrod]

I can read the sign on the trailer, I can see the rivets in the trailer. The fold up chair w/the yellow trim, it can bee seen in the reflection.
Well said, Texan.
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[Steve1968LS2]

If the owner of the car can't post pics showing him complaint then this thread is useless and will be locked.

An accusation has been made and it's time for the accusing party to show his proof, or at least what he feels backs up his claim.

It's only fair. I, more than anyone, know how a picture can hide a thousand sins and while those pics look great there could be "issues"

The owner needs to show those issues or just delete this thread, start a new one about his car and just move on.

There's a reason this thread keeps getting locked on other boards, because it goes nowhere.. (insert shrug here)

Love the color, love the car.. hate the interweb bickering..

[Bill Howell]

Please do not close this post so I can keep the progress of the car going. I do not want it to be closed like team camaro for so many new to the board today members posting.

It will stay open if you refrain from posting another post like #110. There is obviously an issue between you and the body shop, however, airing this out on a forum where very few people know either party is just dumb IMO. We all hate there was/is an issue, but the shop owner has offered a olive branch, either take it or stop talking about it. One more outburst and this puppy is closed and moved.

Others opinions about what really happened, including mine without all the facts are worthless anyway.

Once progress starts back on the car, let us know, until then, everyone needs to chill.

[Bill Howell]

Damn Steve, we were on the same page at the same time. lol

[monza]

Well said Steve. Being rather new on this site I'll tread lightly. There can not be a 'winner' in a public debate of this nature. All other members of this site will never understand the 'relationship' that took place between vendor and consumer in this issue from beginning to end. Pics or not, who's to say. Not our deal.
You can't settle this here.Take it private, chill out (easy for me to say) and settle it...nice ride, almost finished, don't rush...it's not drive thru. it's a almost perfect ride!

Good luck

[awesometool]

I understand bill and will not comment on past only future work but I would like to use this post on finishing my car with streetfytr68. I going to save some cash up and he is going to strip and paint for me. It will be few months ahead but I can wait. No more neg comments please. Any questions can be answered in a pm.

[Steve1968LS2]

I understand bill and will not comment on past only future work but I would like to use this post on finishing my car with streetfytr68. I going to save some cash up and he is going to strip and paint for me. It will be few months ahead but I can wait. No more neg comments please. Any questions can be answered in a pm.

Thanks, it's just it makes no sense for you to complain about the work unless you are willing to show pictures of the area and I know how hard it is to capture small mistakes with a camera. When you accuse a company of bad-work people really need to see the proof if you want thier backing.

Would you like the thread "cleaned up" of the drama or do you want to start fresh at this point?

[awesometool]

I removed post 110 since talking about lawyers on this site is not the right thing to do. This is the story of my car I think the tread is fine as long as the subject is changed its the start to finish on my car thread.

[Bill Howell]

Just a thought here I thought about this morning about this car/thread. Remember, this is a car, and if you actually drive it, it will get more imperfections quickly. I know, because the goat has almost 10K miles on it now and road rash happens. I would much rather see you put the car together, enjoy it for a while since it is already painted, then you can repaint it later when you get ready to put it in a museum. Trust me, after the first scratch or two, you forget about a paint blemish. I can point out an issue or two with the goat, but who cars, they are proof I drive it and to me that beats a 100 point paintjob. On the other hand, if you want a World of Wheels paint job and show car, skip all the go fast parts, cause you ain't never going to use them.
Like I said, just a thought. Don't get hung up on perfection, or you will never finish and enjoy the car.

[72Z/28]

Just a thought here I thought about this morning about this car/thread. Remember, this is a car, and if you actually drive it, it will get more imperfections quickly. I know, because the goat has almost 10K miles on it now and road rash happens. I would much rather see you put the car together, enjoy it for a while since it is already painted, then you can repaint it later when you get ready to put it in a museum. Trust me, after the first scratch or two, you forget about a paint blemish. I can point out an issue or two with the goat, but who cars, they are proof I drive it and to me that beats a 100 point paintjob. On the other hand, if you want a World of Wheels paint job and show car, skip all the go fast parts, cause you ain't never going to use them.
Like I said, just a thought. Don't get hung up on perfection, or you will never finish and enjoy the car.

I totally agree with you Bill...

[GT500KR_Vert]

I agree too! Plus Chop offered to fix it. It's probably a quick fix. I have a feeling if you try to start over you aren't going to be happy with the results. Plus you should spend the money in other areas. Even the show cars on TV have problems with their paint. If you don't want to drive the car redo it; otherwise have him fix it and put the money else where.



Just a thought here I thought about this morning about this car/thread. Remember, this is a car, and if you actually drive it, it will get more imperfections quickly. I know, because the goat has almost 10K miles on it now and road rash happens. I would much rather see you put the car together, enjoy it for a while since it is already painted, then you can repaint it later when you get ready to put it in a museum. Trust me, after the first scratch or two, you forget about a paint blemish. I can point out an issue or two with the goat, but who cars, they are proof I drive it and to me that beats a 100 point paintjob. On the other hand, if you want a World of Wheels paint job and show car, skip all the go fast parts, cause you ain't never going to use them.
Like I said, just a thought. Don't get hung up on perfection, or you will never finish and enjoy the car.

[hotrdblder]

you guys should start a group therapy program:yeah:

[paul67]

Looking at the photo's is it me is someone in a t shirt leaning against it , noted also no barrier. Like whats been said I would finnish it off use it then use it , then get it done , painted mine 6 yrs ago no marks , had it redone last yr as it not been on the road and needed some strips drove back home and scrapped it between the 2 houses:eek: and the closer you look the more you find , when looking at some of the spray jobs being done on the shows you have to wonder how they look in real life. Also over in the US you seem to colour sand after a paint job as if that's normal , over here they look at you gone out if it aint no good coming out the gun you've done something wrong.

[chopshopcustoms]

I agree too! Plus Chop offered to fix it. It's probably a quick fix. I have a feeling if you try to start over you aren't going to be happy with the results. Plus you should spend the money in other areas. Even the show cars on TV have problems with their paint. If you don't want to drive the car redo it; otherwise have him fix it and put the money else where.

thanks to all who have also agreed that publicly bashing and whining is not the right thing to do. I have offered time and again to review anything the customer wishes to fix WITH him, just not right now because I am on a strict timeline for 2 SEMA cars.I offered to revisit this car in early November.4 weeks inst a lot of time to mull over. Its in his court.

As for the wrecker- I too cringed. They wrapped a chain around the cross member and we just about cried in the shop.

Im hoping the owner really takes a good look at the razor straight lines on the car and realizes that the car is a CAR- damn near pefect and great one- but a CAR . It cant help keep your family member health, can't feed you , and cant make your kids remember the last time they saw you happy....

The paint is like an orange mirror and another shop would be thrilled to do over my work I am sure- just to say they did.Still think its a big mistake.

I am a professional. I stand behind my work and employees . I am still open to anyone who wishes to chat with me about this or any other project I have going on (or have completed).I know not everyone on a message board knows how to do what I do, so I am always there to help someone else out in answering something if I can.

The offer still stands for this owner-even afetr all the bad mouthing, threats and name calling- it still stands.:) Thats just how I do things.

[GT500KR_Vert]

That's very honorable to say; I wish more shops were like that.


thanks to all who have also agreed that publicly bashing and whining is not the right thing to do. I have offered time and again to review anything the customer wishes to fix WITH him, just not right now because I am on a strict timeline for 2 SEMA cars.I offered to revisit this car in early November.4 weeks inst a lot of time to mull over. Its in his court.

As for the wrecker- I too cringed. They wrapped a chain around the cross member and we just about cried in the shop.

Im hoping the owner really takes a good look at the razor straight lines on the car and realizes that the car is a CAR- damn near pefect and great one- but a CAR . It cant help keep your family member health, can't feed you , and cant make your kids remember the last time they saw you happy....

The paint is like an orange mirror and another shop would be thrilled to do over my work I am sure- just to say they did.Still think its a big mistake.

I am a professional. I stand behind my work and employees . I am still open to anyone who wishes to chat with me about this or any other project I have going on (or have completed).I know not everyone on a message board knows how to do what I do, so I am always there to help someone else out in answering something if I can.

The offer still stands for this owner-even afetr all the bad mouthing, threats and name calling- it still stands.:) Thats just how I do things.

[chopshopcustoms]

That's very honorable to say; I wish more shops were like that.Its just what I do.
On another note- heard that even though this car was pulled from for a photo spread, they are going to use the other Camaro Im working on in my shop instead. A better ending I must say.

[chopshopcustoms]

Looking at the photo's is it me is someone in a t shirt leaning against it , noted also no barrier.Thats the owner .

[trapin]

Gosh, this reminds me of what happened on my paint job. I paid the guy all the money he asked for and when the paint job got botched and I complained about it, all the guy did was belly ache about how much of a savings I got and how much money he lost and yadda yadda yadda. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case...it just brings back bad memories. LOL!!!

[chopshopcustoms]

Gosh, this reminds me of what happened on my paint job. I paid the guy all the money he asked for and when the paint job got botched and I complained about it, all the guy did was belly ache about how much of a savings I got and how much money he lost and yadda yadda yadda. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case...it just brings back bad memories. LOL!!!
You are right - that isnt what is happening here- I am offering to go over the car and see what the customer finds unacceptable and work with him . From the sounds of things , he has decided to go elswhere.
My offer stands and I just cant keep beating a dead horse on this issue.
I stand behind my work and my shop. (this is a recording...):seizure:

[Tony_SS]

Did the owner not like how the pearl/color turned out, threw a hissy and took his toy home? That's what it sounds like.

[Steve1968LS2]

thanks to all who have also agreed that publicly bashing and whining is not the right thing to do. .

Calling your customer a "whiner" is probably not the best way to go...

The owner offered to drop the subject, that's a two way deal ;)

We all hope you two work this out.

[Steve1968LS2]

Did the owner not like how the pearl/color turned out, threw a hissy and took his toy home? That's what it sounds like.

Please read the thread.. all this does is restate whats already been stated. Customer was upset about aleged imperfections in the paint (chips, hair, bubbles, etc)

Man, I just know this thread is going to end in a big old padlock...

[chopshopcustoms]

Calling your customer a "whiner" is probably not the best way to go...

The owner offered to drop the subject, that's a two way deal ;)

We all hope you two work this out.wasnt calling the owner a whiner in any way-just saying there is too much going on about somehting no one but me and the owner really know about. placing a big old pad lock on the thread would probably be a very cool idea. That way, the owner can start a thread about whats going on from here with his car and I can move on and show stuff that IS still in my shop and help out where I can if people have questions to answer.... it would be a win -win for both of us and fnally put this thread to rest.....:drive1:

[Cruiser]

All I can say is from "the pictures" it sure looks nice. I have posted some pictures of my 67 painted 02 Prowler orange and you can most likely pick out a few things and if not they stand out like a sore thumb to me.

Lots of people have commented on my paint job and how great it looks. I am in agreement it does look nice and I love it but I can find flaws here and there and it is upsetting.

I can say this with complete honesty. I want to thank the owner of the car in this thread and the owner of the shop and other posters on the topic for making me relize that what I have once the major flaws are fixed is going to be just fine and I need to stop nit-picking my painter!! If there is one thing I learned before reading this it just made other things worse on the car.

both of us stood back and wrote down what we thought should be fixed to make the job right for both of us. After a war of words for days on end it was amazing to see his list was bigger than mine!!!!! We agreed to take a few off my list and his and he pointed out areas that really bothered him and needed fixing that he did not want other to ever see.

Reading this thread has calmed me down even more and problems can be worked out. I will be even more happy with our end result now. You both cam still work things out, it's not too late and I know you will be more happy in the end having gone to war and then made peace again. Sometimes it's just part of the proccess especialy when money and pride are involved.

A cold beer (or ice tea) between people can mend fences amazingly well. It's formula that seems to work more times than not.

Joe

BTW: On the funny side of things, notice the name of the color "atomic orange" I guess it's lived up to it's name......LOL

[Larry Callahan]

With that said I think it's time to put this one to rest. I'm going to close it for the moment to possibly do a little cleanup on isle 85.