That Streetfighter thing:

[Damn True]

PT is but a small niche within the whole spectrum of Hot-Rodding. Growing to be sure, but still small. Within this group we still have sub-groups.

There are those who want an original looking car with a few modern performance touches that make the car more pleasant to drive.

There are those who want to seriously modernize every aspect of the look and feel of a car. Originality be damned.

There are those for whom this is just the current style of Hot Rod. Not unlike Pro-Street was not so many years ago. "Show-Touring" or "Pro-Tweed" if you will. ("Not that there is anything wrong with that.")

There are those who intend to run their cars at auto-x and Open Track events.

At the risk of inflaming the ire of some (It's not as if that has ever stopped me before) I'd like to start a discussion of a specific build type within the PT niche. I know we all resist labeling cars as this or that, but I think this style lends itself to a label more than others. If for no other reason than to explain to some rube why the heck you built it the way you did.

Streetfighter.

What is it?
What makes a car a "Streetfighter"?
Is it a look, or is it a deed? (Nature vs. Nurture?)

I'll give my opinion (and it's just that....and yes, it stinks just like yours) then open the floor for ya'all to chime in.

IMO, a "Streetfighter" is to PT what a chopper is to Harleys. Minimalist first and foremost. Sure it still has carpet, but there's no room here for DVD monitors. Performance should be the primary concern. Occupant comfort and the eardrums of the neihbors kids are secondary concerns. Retro or Modern theme is fair game, though I have a personal preferance for something that stylistically leans toward the old T/A cars. There is certainly room for a more modern look with a set of CCR's and bunch of carbon fiber as well.

The word itself conjurs up an image. "Street" implies that it actually gets used to it's potential, not merely waxed on Saturdays and parked on a lawn with a crying baby doll on Sunday ("Not that there's anything wrong with that.") It also implies an "edginess" something that might be a bit offensive to "normal" people. Remember how your parents reacted to the cover of that Sex Pistols album....that's the vibe. "Fighter" alludes to a car that has seen it's share of nicks and scuffs. Rock chips are fine, encouraged even. A couple of marks on a rocker panel from orange cones at the last auto-x are badges of honor, not detriments.

These are cars that get driven, hard. As such they should have appropriate safety equipment. Quality seats, properly installed. Harnesses, again...properly installed. Bonus points for cages, fuel cells and fire systems.

A buddy of mine found this website the other day with a couple of fine examples of the vibe:
http://web.mac.com/streetfytr/iWeb/TwistMachineLLC/STREETFIGHTER.html

I think you'll recognize a few.

So let's discuss.

Who's headed this way with their car?
Who's built some bitchin custom doo-dad to inch closer to the goal?
What's needed from the aftermarket to support this niche within the niche?

My other intent for this thread was to provide a centralized location for vendors (paid advertisers of course) to launch products specific to the genre. Also a place for us, and those like us to share ideas for the home-made stuff we've built.

[David Sloan]

Street fighter= Big Red,Stevos & JPs II Much are the first to come to my mind. I know there are some more.
My next car the Cuda will be built on this type of build,(Street Fighter)
It will have some slick azzzzz paint. Cant help that its what i do.
But it will be all business,Full frame,cage,seats,belts,Fuelinjected426hemi,5speed, all the necessities a race car cough (street car) needs.
I know the people that know me know that i will run the Shiiiiit out of her.There is video on this web site to back it up.
That is what they are for!
And we hope to be making some cool street fighter parts to go with this style.

[69Nova]

I think True hit the nail on the head. I completly agree with you. The car has gotta have some serious attitude and capability on the track. The majority will hate it and not get the picture. I do consider my car a budget Street Fighter. It not the best at anything yet but the car has attitude and defintly suprises people at the autocross in my area.

[6'9"Witha69]

My car is minimalist by budget, abused by desire and in one piece by ability. Call me PT, call me a street fighter, never call me a fairgrounds cruiser. Functionality over form has always been my method. Paint is shot? Don't care. I'll still race it. I don't care if it ever has show quality paint, I may just end up Earl Scheibing it and not caring about chips and road rash.

Not to say I won't have some other shiny parts, but making it work will always come before making it look better!

[Steve1968LS2]

I think my car is sorta "streetfighter" esq.. low of creature comforts with parts geared towards performance first and looks second.

In the end it's just another term to be bantered about. I consider us all "car guys" and that makes us family regardless of what we choose to pidgen hole our rides as.

[trapin]

Steevo's probably lickin' his chops right now as he reads this. No greater champion of the genre then Mr. Shrifter himself.

I think I more identify with the Streetfighter mentality. I guess it comes from the little bit of drag racer I still have in me. I just like my cars raw and to the point. My car may lack a roll bar but it will also be deviod of the fancy stereo system and air conditioning emenities. I won't even have a heater core. No reason for it.

Two cars that absolutely scream the Streetfigher mentality are Steevo's '68 and Parson's II Much. Great examples of purpose built hot rods.

The next car I build will be a pure Streetfighter.

[Damn True]

I think my car is sorta "streetfighter" esq.. low of creature comforts with parts geared towards performance first and looks second.

In the end it's just another term to be bantered about. I consider us all "car guys" and that makes us family regardless of what we choose to pidgen hole our rides as.

Steve you are the Thomas Harris of the Hot Rod community.:grouphug:

[NOPANTS-68]

IMO, a street fighter by name is simply a PT car blended with a dedicated track car. I built my Nova with this style in mind- cage, Tremec, minilites, harnesses, no heater, no radio, and of course big power that wakes the neighbors. A street fighter may lack polish, but it drips with attitude. Can't beat cast center wheels and lots of home made parts for the bad boy look. Early Trans-Am cars are about as street fighter as one could get- just remove the window net and the meatballs and there you go. lol

[Damn True]

Sounds like a cool car. How about sharing some pics with us.




BTW, my other intent for this thread was to provide a centralized location for vendors (paid advertisers of course) to launch products specific to the genre. Also a place for us, and those like us to share ideas for the home-made stuff we've built.

[Restomod]

These have been Streetfighters longer than cars....

[formula]

I'd say that street fighters are, in some ways, the closest to the original "hot rod" mentality that came out of postwar suburbia, i.e. built to be nasty fast and driven hard on a relative budget. As such, I'd like to think that my car is as much a street fighter as anything, even though I don't have the payola to play with the big boys right now (college>cars). Mine's driven every damn day that it runs, and is driven hard every time it's driven. I get "why the heck would you need/want *insert mod* on a car like this?" all the time, and if it's not that, it's "you should just put a 455 in it and be done". I get a kick out of being so socially unacceptable--I enter car shows for the parking and wear the scars from my tire blowout proudly (although they will be fixed eventually to avoid rust). I guess what I'm trying to get at is that a street fighter, to me, is a car that is first and foremost driven balls-out at every opportunity and focus their attention on that aspect of their car first, and I think a looooot of the guys on here meet that category, even if they do shine up their ride for shows on saturday.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

An old definition I came up with:

Street Fighter: (The term is adapted from a European genre of stripped down street bikes and has been designated to represent the minimalist sub-genre of pro-touring cars.) A classic muscle car with heavily modified and upgraded suspension and brake system components, a powerful yet functional (i.e. efficient) drive train, and diminutive creature comforts. Most Street Fighters are devoid of A/C, big billet wheels, chromed-out engine bays and navigation systems, but rather are clad with forged wheels, roll cages and light weight fabricated compoments. Most anything not necessary to make the car accelerate, decelerate, handle or function more efficiently is stripped from the vehicle. Street Fighters are Pro-Touring counter-culture at its finest; minimal drivability is sacrificed for performance and function. In the simplest of fashions, Street Fighters can be equated to street legal race cars.

Edit: My '68 is being built in this context.

[bobbaganoosh]

I guess that's the direction I've been heading on my Mustang all along, light weight, good amount of power, and good handling capabilities, yet legal enough I can drive it to work if I want to. It doesn't have a/c or a radio nor will it, but I don't care. It's just a car I'm building to flog the piss out of. I'm on a limited budget so mostly everything on the car I've made or bartered for.

[vanzuuk1]

Years ago my friend marcus wrecked his gsxr, and I tried to convince him to leave the plastic off and strip it down a little. No dice.

Time passed and my own gsxr went cartwheeling down the road, I went for the minimalist look and rebuilt it.

Around that time I saw steevos car on the cover of phr and it blew me away. It was like there were notes to a half written song in my head and then I heard the song on the radio. I also got all worked up over the pure vision cars,the red gtx really made me stop and think.

I dont know if my current car is a streetfighter but by the fall it will be at the end of its current phase,let me know what you think.

[vanzuuk1]

It might be a streetfighter if-

Your girl hates to ride in it.

The resto guys look visibly disturbed by it.

The cop at the 711 wants to write you a ticket before you even start it.

It makes little kids cry.


You fight the urge to take it out in the snow.

You do so many donuts you hurt your neck.

A friend of a friend sees you get on an entrance ramp and says you "almost wrecked". You dont remember the incident.

You take a guy with a late model vette for a ride and he steps on imaginary brake pedals as you approach your exit.

[vanzuuk1]

True I just checked out that link...for some reason I liked it!

Andrew pettys nova should be mentioned also.

[Damn True]

True I just checked out that link...for some reason I liked it!

Andrew pettys nova should be mentioned also.

Thought you might like that.

ABSOLUTELY! Andrew's car is a great example.

[vanzuuk1]

That lime green mopar was at the xv open house, it was badass.

The plate on the car next to it read "nuke gm", that was great.

[Steve Chryssos]

These cars have always been around. Giving them a name just makes it easier for us to exchange thoughts on the subject. Think back to when Brock Yates had Cotton Owens build him a Dodge Challenger for the Cannonball Run. Or how about Porsche RSR's from the mid 70's? Many of us can trace our inspiration back to Big Red or the Penske-Donahue cars.

There is something tabu about a streetfighter. Like you snuck into the pits, stole your favorite race car and escaped onto public roads. Ron Howard did exactly that in a movie called "Eat My Dust". I saw that movie and was hooked Growing up in New York City, car movies had a profound influence on me. The west coast had the cars. In New York, you had car movies and TV shows. From Mad Max to the Dukes of Hazzard, the cars always seemed like they could drive through concrete walls. When I strap into my car, I get that same feeling. It's loud and fast and hot. If I want comfy and cool, I'll stay on the couch.

As for parts, I think the streetfighter niche is too small to support volume production. These cars are the exception rather than the rule. But Twist will try to release some streetfighter parts. In conjunction with Jake's Rod Shop, we have run off a batch of ten streetfighter aluminum rear spoilers. Five 67-68 and five 69. Since volume is so low, they will be a bit pricey. There's a lot of hand finishing involved, so there is no way around that. But if you want that streetfighter look, these spoilers will get you there. I'll post a picture tomorrow. After that we will be releasing vintage Trans Am style gauge clusters for 67-68 Camaros. They too will be fabricated aluminum and will be very different from currently available offerings.

[vanzuuk1]

Steve I am in for a rear spoiler, do not forget. The pics you took at xv came out great.

[6'9"Witha69]

we have run off a batch of ten streetfighter aluminum rear spoilers. Five 67-68 and five 69.Now that I want to see!!

[WS6]

Well damn I didn't realize I was going to be headed down this build type with my TA. However, mine is out of a lack of budget like so many others. I was planning on running a street cage or harness bar since I don't trust my 28 year old seat belts and wasn't going to pay Ssnake Oyl to build me new ones. I was going to paint the car flat black or with epoxy primer because I can't afford a paint job. I might add the birds just cause I think it would look cool but they cost money. I would break from tradition with AC and a radio. I don't like sitting in traffic without either. Too much humidity.

Regardless of what I was going to do I think your definition of a street fighter is spot on True. I'm ok with labels for identifying different builds and styles. I just don't think someone should use the label in a negative manner. Too each his own. Respect that and enjoy the craftmanship

[Steve Chryssos]

Dirk's car rocks!! 16" wheels never looked so good
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif.

I believe the Dart belongs to a feller named Justin. Didn't get to meet him but we followed him home for a while. Both photos are from the XV Motorsports Open House.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[the camtender]

THANKS,now I'm having identity crisises.:confused:

[Steve Chryssos]

Mike Face's Chevelle is one of my all time favorites.

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/featuredvehicles/65158_1970_chevrolet_chevelle/index.html

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/p134810_large1970_Chevrolet_ChevelleFron-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/p134814_large1970_Chevrolet_ChevelleRear-1.jpg

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

hell when mines finished ill prove its a street fighter..

gotta be a streetfighter when the owner was once one.. go figure.

[Tony_SS]

Here's my old street fighter:
Ducati 620 Monster

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/07d-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/ecd-1.jpg

[vanzuuk1]

Trey A flat black t/a with a gloss black hood decal and graphics?

That dart is cool.


Steve-shhhh -they are fifteens.

Also , to seperate the streetfighter look from the nascar look is a fine line. I guess modern wheels or bright colors?

[Steve1968LS2]

These cars have always been around. Giving them a name just makes it easier for us to exchange thoughts on the subject. Think back to when Brock Yates had Cotton Owens build him a Dodge Challenger for the Cannonball Run. Or how about Porsche RSR's from the mid 70's? Many of us can trace our inspiration back to Big Red or the Penske-Donahue cars.

There is something tabu about a streetfighter. Like you snuck into the pits, stole your favorite race car and escaped onto public roads. Ron Howard did exactly that in a movie called "Eat My Dust". I saw that movie and was hooked Growing up in New York City, car movies had a profound influence on me. The west coast had the cars. In New York, you had car movies and TV shows. From Mad Max to the Dukes of Hazzard, the cars always seemed like they could drive through concrete walls. When I strap into my car, I get that same feeling. It's loud and fast and hot. If I want comfy and cool, I'll stay on the couch.

As for parts, I think the streetfighter niche is too small to support volume production. These cars are the exception rather than the rule. But Twist will try to release some streetfighter parts. In conjunction with Jake's Rod Shop, we have run off a batch of ten streetfighter aluminum rear spoilers. Five 67-68 and five 69. Since volume is so low, they will be a bit pricey. There's a lot of hand finishing involved, so there is no way around that. But if you want that streetfighter look, these spoilers will get you there. I'll post a picture tomorrow. After that we will be releasing vintage Trans Am style gauge clusters for 67-68 Camaros. They too will be fabricated aluminum and will be very different from currently available offerings.

Hmm.. I need a spoiler.. ;)

Need pictures.. now.. please! lol

Considering my car has a track computer and fire system but no stereo do I qualify? Then again I need to get it on a track.. without getting hit on the way.

Curious on the guage cluster as well.. you talking for the center area (like what I have) or for the area above the column?

[Steve Chryssos]

Above the column Speedo/Tach Very vintage and racy. Accepts Real deal 5" gauges. Water jet cut and CNC bent. Your car, Bad Penny, is one of my all time favorite streetfighters, Steve.

[Steve1968LS2]

Above the column Speedo/Tach Very vintage and racy. Accepts Real deal 5" gauges. Water jet cut and CNC bent. Your car, Bad Penny, is one of my all time favorite streetfighters, Steve.

:woot:

Hey, that would be cool.. I really dig my sheetmetal center "pod" but the Covans deal I used above the column doesn't flow with the "tracky" look of the rest of the interior.

Will it have room for just a tach and speedo or can you squeeze in two additional gauges (in my case an oil pressure and shift light)

I'm tempted by your rear spoiler.. I would really like to see it.

[trapin]

Steve...a spoiler like the one on Steevo's '68 would look killer on your car. That's an awesome idea.

Hell...makes me wish I would have waited.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve...a spoiler like the one on Steevo's '68 would look killer on your car. That's an awesome idea.

Hell...makes me wish I would have waited.

I want to see his design.. I'm pretty picky, it needs to have a nice "finished" look to it. I'm very intrigued and this would be the perfect time to do it since I don't have holes in my new trunklid.. lol

Maybe annodized black.. hmmm... or matched to the wheels.. so many possibilities.

Anyways, the guage cluster sounds good.. are you guys gonna make a center deal as well? It's a good place to mount "stuff"

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[WS6]

Trey A flat black t/a with a gloss black hood decal and graphics?



Yep, that's the idea. My TA has the tan interior and I personally don't like the gold birds, so I think I would shoot for the red/orange birds or maybe the blue birds. But yes the entire car would be flat black with the 8in gold snowflake rims and white letter tires(for now anyway). I think I would only use the hood bird and the "TRANS AM" lettering across the back. Oh and the scoop callouts as well. I'd have to use the "6.6 Litre" callouts just to make people think it's still the 403.(Litre denotes a 403, Liter denotes a lo-po 400, and T/A 6.6 denotes a hi po 400 at least in the 77-79 cars it does)

Steve, that chevelle is wicked. I remember reading about it a long time ago. Is it still around?

[CarlC]

Above the column Speedo/Tach Very vintage and racy. Accepts Real deal 5" gauges. Water jet cut and CNC bent. Your car, Bad Penny, is one of my all time favorite streetfighters, Steve.

Uh oh. There may be another project in my future.

[69Nova]

Andrew pettys nova should be mentioned also.



ABSOLUTELY! Andrew's car is a great example


Thanks guys!!!

Since this is kinda a general discussion about Street fighters I gotta a question for everyone. What do you think about blue wheels on my car? I have been toying around with the idea on finding a used set of 15 inch Torq thrust wheels and painting the center blue. I figure it might work on my car. Since I have blue interior it might be just wacky enough to look good.

Steevo I'm gonna take some pictures of the rear of my car this weekend and come up with my idea for the rear spoiler and shoot them your way. Then you can tell me what you think.

[Damn True]

Yep, that's the idea. My TA has the tan interior and I personally don't like the gold birds, so I think I would shoot for the red/orange birds or maybe the blue birds. But yes the entire car would be flat black with the 8in gold snowflake rims and white letter tires(for now anyway). I think I would only use the hood bird and the "TRANS AM" lettering across the back. Oh and the scoop callouts as well. I'd have to use the "6.6 Litre" callouts just to make people think it's still the 403.(Litre denotes a 403, Liter denotes a lo-po 400, and T/A 6.6 denotes a hi po 400 at least in the 77-79 cars it does)

Steve, that chevelle is wicked. I remember reading about it a long time ago. Is it still around?

Ok imagine this.

Your T/A, in flat black. But screw the bird sticker, you have someone hand pinstripe the sillouette of the bird in red and white.

Captures the primary colors of the "original rods", it'll be cheap and easy to fix if something gets nicked.


I have been toying around with the idea on finding a used set of 15 inch Torq thrust wheels and painting the center blue. I figure it might work on my car. Since I have blue interior it might be just wacky enough to look good.


I dunno, I'd have to see a P-chop of that. Sounds a little "loud", but who knows.

I was a big fan of Chris Kerr's '68
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/p138076_large1968_chevrolet_camaro_coupe-1.jpg
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/67759_1968_chevrolet_camaro/

Not too hip on the wing, but Bob Owen's car has some interesting ideas as well.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0406phr_1969_chevrolet_camaro/

[LowBuckX]

Why does everything have to be defined or fit a label? I fit no clique

[vanzuuk1]

Its not a clique , just a discussion.

[Steve Chryssos]

Makes it easier to talk about things--to differentiate various stying cues. Also it makes people happy. That should be enough reason. Besides, your in whether you like it or not!! ...Just by virtue of trying to exclude yourself. That's the whole point. I'll bet you get a warm fuzzy feeling whenever some close-minded person asks you why you have ten spoke wheels instead of five spokes. I'll bet it makes you happy that some people don't get it.

[Yelcamino]

The second car I owned was definately a streetfighter type of car. It had a nasty 327, Super T10, 3.73 posi, Herb Adams suspension, and of course no a/c, and this was back in 1986!

17846

17847

17848

I know I got a little carried away building my El Camino, but at least I made sure it has plenty of attitude to go with the shiny stuff.

My current project (66 Chevelle) will be more in line with the minimalist idea, like my Camaro was back in the day.

[Steve Chryssos]

...Steve, that chevelle is wicked. I remember reading about it a long time ago. Is it still around?

Yup, it's still around. I saw it at the LA Roadster show two years ago.

[Steve Chryssos]

....I'm pretty picky, it needs to have a nice "finished" look to it. I'm very intrigued and this would be the perfect time to do it since I don't have holes in my new trunklid.. lol
Oh, it's finished! MUCH diffeent than the prototype yu saw in Pigeon Forge last year. Water jet cut edges, tumbled strut rods, stainless steel piano hinge, SS hardware. Jake even D.A.'s the bends in the base plate to get rid of the crowns and then the whole thing gets brushed. It mounts to the factory spoiler holes--that was the hard part. Black anodized would be cool--or just paint the backside of the spoiler to match a black tail panel, but leave the front face natural. We will polish the one that's going on our blue car.



Anyways, the guage cluster sounds good.. are you guys gonna make a center deal as well? It's a good place to mount "stuff"
Not planning on making a center stack, but our main cluster will match yours nicely. Should be able to fit a couple of small secondary gauges in addition to the 5" speedo/tach.

[Steve Chryssos]

....What do you think about blue wheels on my car? I have been toying around with the idea on finding a used set of 15 inch Torq thrust wheels and painting the center blue. I figure it might work on my car. Since I have blue interior it might be just wacky enough to look good.

Steevo I'm gonna take some pictures of the rear of my car this weekend and come up with my idea for the rear spoiler and shoot them your way. Then you can tell me what you think.

I like the blue idea. Candy blue would have an anodized look. You can always paint over them if you don't like it.

[Rick Dorion]

Steve I am in for a rear spoiler, do not forget. The pics you took at xv came out great.

Steve, count me in for a 69 if there's one still available.

Any plans for a companion front spoiler? What about a center tach/speedo module for 69's?

[trapin]

Makes it easier to talk about things--to differentiate various stying cues. Also it makes people happy. That should be enough reason. Besides, your in whether you like it or not!! ...Just by virtue of trying to exclude yourself. That's the whole point. I'll bet you get a warm fuzzy feeling whenever some close-minded person asks you why you have ten spoke wheels instead of five spokes. I'll bet it makes you happy that some people don't get it.
I absolutely LOVE that some people don't get it. I've always been a non-conformist. I guess that's why Pro-Touring appeals to me as much as it does. The best part was a few months ago when my cousin and a bunch of his 'old school' pals came over to see my car. The blank stares my suspension parts and LS1 got were priceless.

Suffice to say, there was a lot of this :hmm: going on. I loved it.

[69Nova]

I like the blue idea. Candy blue would have an anodized look. You can always paint over them if you don't like it.

Yeah we talked about this on the phone last week. The idea is still rolling around in my head so I think it's a good one. Plus like you said I can always repaint them a diffrent color.

[Steve Chryssos]

Okay, here is the current prototype. It is very close to finished. Some shaping will be added to the ends of the upright. The top corners will have some curvature. Price is set at $569.

http://web.mac.com/streetfytr/iWeb/TwistMachineLLC/SpoilerPrototype.html

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Rick Dorion]

Very nice. I'll have to step out of line at this time though. My budget is in the way.

[Steve1968LS2]

Why does everything have to be defined or fit a label? I fit no clique

lol.. they are all just words.. and you fit the best clique of all.. the "gearhead" clique. It's the one we all belong to.

[Damn True]

Okay, here is the current prototype. It is very close to finished. Some shaping will be added to the ends of the upright. The top corners will have some curvature. Price is set at $569.

http://web.mac.com/streetfytr/iWeb/TwistMachineLLC/SpoilerPrototype.html

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif


The sound you hear is me digging through the 'ol pickle jar for nickles and dimes....and $100 bills.

What is the range of adjustment?

You got a shot of it from the side? Front 1/4?

[David Sloan]

lol.. they are all just words.. and you fit the best clique of all.. the "gearhead" clique. It's the one we all belong to.

Yes Sir! could not agree more.

[Steve Chryssos]

Range of adjustment is 12 degrees. Here's the only way to get a goof front 3/4 shot

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Damn True]

What is the angle at the lowest and highest adjustment point?

Do you reckon the mounting is compatible with a fiberglass decklid?

[ZuperZport]

Back in the day (read: The 80's) My pal Dirk had a 78' Magnum that could easily be considered a pioneering "Street-Fighter". Dirk twisted those torsion bars so low the front bumper almost scrapped. Mind you this was no junker. It was a spotless survivor car that Dirk finessed into a real corner carver with many handling enhancements. Outfitted with a set of all-business Centerlines (the ones with the holes in them and exposed hardware) and a stance that screamed "I will pass you"!! Dirk talks about the imaginary passenger side brake pedal............I pushed it many times whenever he got on or off I-95!! Although the Magnum met a not-so-nice end to its life (ask Dirk if you want to know), it was in my opinion, ahead of its time and truly a predecessor to what is known today as a "Street Fighter". (Don't have any pictures of this mean machine but shown below gives you an idea for you youngins')

P.S. - Stevo - that spoiler is awesome! A must have! Keep us posted as to any production plans! Or maybe I can commission a "one-off Twist Original"?!?!?

[vanzuuk1]

I remember when I ordered the wheels and tires and the guy asked what they were going on.


"a whaaat?"


I wish I had pics of that car.

[55chevyman]

vanzuuk1 i am curious are your torq thrust "d" wheels 16x8 and what size tires are you running?

[vanzuuk1]

Alex they are 16 by 8 with 245 50 front and 255 50 rear. I want to find bigger tires for the rear.

[55chevyman]

your car looks awesome man. what size are u looking for in the rear?

[vanzuuk1]

Thanks, I just want to fill the wheelwell a little.

[55chevyman]

i have 14x8 old styles (now tto's) on my 55 but i am wanting to update to 16s or 17s

[ProBell]

I feel my car fits this description as well. XV Motor sports is putting on a great event for all these cars to get together and run around a safe road course .https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31855 I know their are a few signed up already, My self included.
It would also be a great place for some one to try out their car to see if they want to go down this road before they start modifying it. As long as the car is safe, it does not mater how well it handles. Just work with what you have. RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG as they say.

Randy

[Steve Chryssos]

Back in the day (read: The 80's) My pal Dirk had a 78' Magnum that could easily be considered a pioneering "Street-Fighter". ......
P.S. - Stevo - that spoiler is awesome! A must have! Keep us posted as to any production plans! Or maybe I can commission a "one-off Twist Original"?!?!?

The Magnum sounds cool. Did it have the rich Corinthian Leather?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/06/Ricardo_Montalban-1.jpg

Spoilers will ship no later than August 15th. Custom stuff is no problem, but even more pricey. Try to go with the production part. Feel free to drive out and have a look.

[slowcamaro]

While we're on this subject, spoiler similar to what Im building for my third gen...

Blaine fabrication makes these. Sure he can make them for other vehicles as well as long as he has access to one locally to use for mock up...not sure how long the lexan will hold up on the street, but its fairly cheap (the lexan, not the blaine fab spoiler).

[vanzuuk1]

I used to get that all the time, along with cordoba jokes.

[LowBuckX]

Makes it easier to talk about things--to differentiate various stying cues. Also it makes people happy. That should be enough reason. Besides, your in whether you like it or not!! ...Just by virtue of trying to exclude yourself. That's the whole point. I'll bet you get a warm fuzzy feeling whenever some close-minded person asks you why you have ten spoke wheels instead of five spokes. I'll bet it makes you happy that some people don't get it.


I guess but its like saying "Im a punk rocker" but Jimmy is too and he picks his nose and eats it so you must too. ..

I dont want to be classified with nose pickers.. By nose pickers I mean the people who think Pro-Touring is "A Look"


I Know its a poor analogy but Im tired and the babys crying. :drive2:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I mean the people who think Pro-Touring is "A Look"

Pro touring is a LOOK!?
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Steve Chryssos]

I guess but its like saying "Im a punk rocker" but Jimmy is too and he picks his nose and eats it so you must too. ..
I dont want to be classified with nose pickers.. By nose pickers I mean the people who think Pro-Touring is "A Look"

I Know its a poor analogy but Im tired and the babys crying. :drive2:

Understood. Punk rock bands used to routinely insult their audience for attending the show. There: Another bad analogy.

[vanzuuk1]

You know, I was going to say streetfighters are to cars what punk rock is to music.

But I was busy picking my nose.

[LowBuckX]

Understood. Punk rock bands used to routinely insult their audience for attending the show. There: Another bad analogy.


I can relate to that audience. There is another bad analogy in there somewhere... :rolleyes:

[Bow Tie 67]

I'm going this route, and plan on running it in open track events. The car will be in flat black primer for at least a year. I would much rather learn the limits of the car prior to all that labor. I will slowly add some creature comforts, and custom touches to the body. This will be my all around toy. Power Tour, track events, cruise nights, and just plain beating the snot out of it.

Ok, now Big power, whats your definition? In my opinion Big power is not needed, sure its fun, but not a necessity depending on the tracks you frequent, in fact it can get in the way of a good run. Listen to me, after my ride in Schwartz ultima, I'm jonesing for turbos, will the insanity ever end?

[Van B]

We need to get together so you can take a ride in mine. I think high 500s to 600 is enough. (Probably because that is all I have):lmao:

[Steve Chryssos]

......I think high 500s to 600 is enough. (Probably because that is all I have..... Yup. That's the perfect power level.

[69Nova]

I'd be happy with 450ish. But honestly what power I have now is just fine(330). In autocross I can pretty much throttle steer the car when needed.

[55chevyman]

im with andrew id be happy with 450ish, i will have about 425 in mine when finished.

[trapin]

Understood. Punk rock bands used to routinely insult their audience for attending the show. There: Another bad analogy.
C'mon now...that's a terrible thing to say. Just look at Lee Ving and FEAR. They always treated their audience with nothing but kindness and respect.

....and they just loved playing 'frisco. :lmao:


~ For those who don't get the joke, reference "Decline Of The Western Civilization Part One". Thank you. ~

[Damn True]

C'mon now...that's a terrible thing to say. Just look at Lee Ving and FEAR. They always treated their audience with nothing but kindness and respect.

....and they just loved playing 'frisco. :lmao:


~ For those who don't get the joke, reference "Decline Of The Western Civilization Part One". Thank you. ~

I used to work with Lee's son. Imagine the shock of seeing one of your punk rock hero's come walking through the office pushing a baby stroller with his twin grand-daughters in it.

Horrifying.

[Damn True]

We need to get together so you can take a ride in mine. I think high 500s to 600 is enough. (Probably because that is all I have):lmao:

IMO, that is enough. Probably more than enough actually.

The Audi R8 that won Le Mans in '05 had 520hp. With huge gumball slicks, positive downforce and Tom Kristenson (sp?) at the wheel they still had wheelspin and they were still a handfull.
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/audir8-01.html

My Camaro will not have 335 Michi slicks, will not have downforce to speak of and will certainly not have Kristenson at the wheel.

[David Pozzi]

While we all want to have fun with our cars, often it's the guy with 400 hp that runs and runs, while the higher HP cars are being worked on or breaking more often.

It's hard to have restraint when others are building high HP cars, but think carefully about what HP level you really need to have fun.
David

[Steve Chryssos]

It takes a little more power at the drags, though. Even on the street, I find 400HP getting old after a while. Spoiled I guess. Or it's the multi-purpose thing. The right amount of power for a track day, might not be enogh to run a 12 second E.T. Especially with weak short times that must be made up on the other end.

[Bow Tie 67]

I'm sticking with the stock LS1 base engine, HP tuner fuel and spark adjustment, and Long tubes to start. From there I'll decide how much to kick it up. My 95 has the same setup and will outrun a stock C5 Zo6 in the straight, I have much more invested in suspension, brakes, and grip. When it comes down to it, brakes and suspension allow you to have more fun with cornering entry and exit. Give me lateral Gs any day and I'll show you one big grin, ear to ear.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

I'm sticking with the stock LS1 base engine, HP tuner fuel and spark adjustment, and Long tubes to start. From there I'll decide how much to kick it up. My 95 has the same setup and will outrun a stock C5 Zo6 in the straight, I have much more invested in suspension, brakes, and grip. When it comes down to it, brakes and suspension allow you to have more fun with cornering entry and exit. Give me lateral Gs any day and I'll show you one big grin, ear to ear.

Do you have any other mods? You're running a stock LS1 with HP tuners and Long tubes and pulling Z06's in the straight? I'm not going to call BS on you, but I'm going to say that the Z06 owner can't drive his car properly. Don't get me wrong...I think you're SOM '95 is bitchin...but it's about 400lbs heavier than the Z with less hp and inferior gearing (or are you running 4:10s or something to help the stock T56 ratios)? Stock C5 Z06 will run bottom 12s and maybe some 11.9s all day with a real good driver and conditions. I don't see how a basically stock LS1 F-body that will pull down 12.9s on a great day with a good driver is pulling him?

[Bow Tie 67]

I think your probably correct, the guy was not the greatest driver.

My setup, 3.42 gears, 25.5" tire, 2001 LS1, T56, Spec 3 clutch, Hp tuners, Aftermarket fuel pump with wiring mod ( very little voltage drop ) underdrive pullies, longtubes, no cats, open exhaust, Slp ramair hood and airbox, pcv mod, throttle body coolant bypass, weld in Subframe connectors, Lca relocation brackets, upper and lower rear control arms are aluminum with rodends. GW torque arm, and other misc brake and suspension upgrades. I ran the quarter in Memphis on the Hrpt it was very slick, trap speeds 108. All I know is the guy kept asking me how much power I had, I have no idea but the car is very fun to drive. Oh the color is Prowler Orange.

[scogin918]

Count me in as one of the Streetfighter gang. I just had to decide between removing the rear seat footwells or creating channels for the truck arms and braces. I don't plan on sitting in the back seat so good-bye footwells. As far as power goes, the LS1 already has the long tubes and EFI Live and is waiting on a call to Texas Speed for a head/cam combo with some ARP rod bolts for about 450-475 HP. I figure with the truck-arms, the cage, the wheels, the floating rear end w/fluid cooler and maybe one of those neato-keeno spoilers form Strreefytr68 and it will be a good mix of race car and street car.

[vanzuuk1]

Scogin, I wished you lived closer, I dig the way your car is coming along.

I have got to say one thing, the streetfighter is not a race car. Like Robert points out, its a mix of both. A race car is built to enter and win races. No protouring car on this site will even see a fender to fender race, much less win one. A well setup miata will likely turn better laps at most tracks. I get a kick when guys say their musclecar will outperform a new vette. Sure it will. You can have a lot of fun with these cars, but dont think bolting parts to a thirty year old car will exceed anything GMs design staff can do. You can pour syrup on s**t, that wont get you pancakes.


I think streetfighter is a street car with some race car features and a lot of ATTITUDE. Steevos car is so in-your-face it must really bewilder some old school gearheads, I love it .

A lot of times a good drive out of a corner makes it look like your car is pulling another car, your just carrying more speed onto the straight. Which is better than having a killer motor, it means your doing something right.

The final word on track performance is lap times, compare your lap times to any of the street cars that race at your track. Its very enlighteng the first time you watch a day of racing at a local roadcourse, you see some "slow" cars going fast, and some "fast" cars going slow.

[vanzuuk1]

And the best way to rate your first track day is

Did you have fun? (the answer will be yes)

Did you learn anything? (the answer should be yes)

Is your car still shaped the same way? (we hope so)

[Rick Dorion]

Agreed. When I used to time trial my 240Z I could turn better lap times than many. My $ was in the suspension including track tires. Spent alot of time learning the track, brake points and smoothness. It was a street car though with suspension, brake, exhaust and 'desmogging'.

[69Nova]

You can pour syrup on s**t, that wont get you pancakes

:lol: Funniest thing I have heard in a long time.

[steemin]

I gotta tell you guys that my next car will be a no frills,no bling
street fighter shot in flat black..(rat rod?)
I really like the idea of not worrying about getting stone chips or the wasted time spent detailing a car.
I have come to the conclusion that what I enjoy most about these cars is the sensory overload of driving a powerfull well handling car..
The fancy paint jobs and wheels look great but I am thinking that
I am going to head towards the Mad Max look next time:6gears:

Scott

[vanzuuk1]

Last of the v8s...

[Leadfoot1]

...I see your point.

But your car doesn't have to be Mad Max ugly to Run hard IMO. You can get both, it just takes either more cash or time, or both. Plenty of cars are nice and can see the finish line first.

Sure, you won't feel as bad if you just have to take out the rattle can to touch it up.... Because it costs nothing and takes 5 minutes.

Money, time.

On top of things, i don't think Steveo's car is ugly or that it looks unfinished. 'Still, isn't he the originator of the Streetfighter orientation.

Lead.

[Neil B]

Here's my next project. I'll have a full cage, a 7,500rpm high-compression small block, a six-speed, and not much else. My neighbors are NOT going to like this thing.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/04/FinalRenderingCombined2-1.jpg

[vanzuuk1]

Neil That looks great.

[Steve Chryssos]

Man that's hot. Sometimes all it takes is alternative paint and some exposed rivets.

[NOPANTS-68]

WICKED! get on it.

[vanzuuk1]

Those cars had a little darth vader in the nose,that wakes it up.

[Damn True]

Here's my next project. I'll have a full cage, a 7,500rpm high-compression small block, a six-speed, and not much else. My neighbors are NOT going to like this thing.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/04/FinalRenderingCombined2-1.jpg

What's the word I'm looking for here........oh yeah.......bada$$.

[the camtender]

Here's my next project. I'll have a full cage, a 7,500rpm high-compression small block, a six-speed, and not much else. My neighbors are NOT going to like this thing.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2007/04/FinalRenderingCombined2-1.jpg


I saw a couple of these third gens at the 2007 Big Bend Open Road Race.I've got to say,they really got me thinking.They're easy to come by,and don't cost $$$.

Jerry

[Steve Chryssos]

Post some pictures of your awesome car Jerry.

[gonein67bird]

17951I think I have the street fighter thing going on.Vanzuuk1 do you have a better shot of your rear window? what did you make your braces out of? That really looks cool!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

funny i was looking for pics of your car, gone..

[vanzuuk1]

Thanks, they were the brackets on a lighted sign, I bent them with a shop vise and a carpenters hammer.Very high tech. Then a guy I work with used a big buffing wheel to polish them. I used double face tape to attach them,could not drill holes in my twenty year old paint.

[gonein67bird]

So they are alum.? Close Up Pics?

[Steve Chryssos]

I think I have the street fighter thing going on.
You sure do!! :cool:

[scogin918]

Scogin, I wished you lived closer, I dig the way your car is coming along.
I appreciate the comments. I'm trying to speed up the last bit of fab-work so the painter can start.I will post up some pics when come back from vacation in the resort town of Reading, PA. Two words - In-laws.

"I have got to say one thing, the streetfighter is not a race car. Like Robert points out, its a mix of both.
I think streetfighter is a street car with some race car features and a lot of ATTITUDE. Steevos car is so in-your-face it must really bewilder some old school gearheads, I love it ."

That's two of the reasons why I went the truck arm route. One because it seems racy, but in reality it is simpler to use on both the street and the track. I'm not going to want to find the right combination of 6 holes plus preloads on each side of the rear just to cruise down the street. But on the other hand, the truck-arm can be made to work on a road course with relative ease. I'm not saying it's the best out there by far, just the right amount of compromise for me. I'm not building this car to have to spend more time adjusting on it than actually driving it.
Before I knew any better (maybe that was yesterday) I wanted the 200 mph street car. Now I know that this car won't be the 200 mph car and the 200 mph car probably won't see the street (or my wife).

A Streetfighter to me serves its purpose on the street as an intimidating, make you think twice at the light or on the interstate kind of car. If you want to try me and I happen to be feeling froggy, then bring it on. But because of how it's built, I may be less inclined to screw around on the street, because I know I'll be able to have some fun with it on the track as well. Yes these cars are built with performance in mind, but safety isn't that far behind. By the time it's done the car will have a Fuel Safe cell, rear firewall, rear-mounted battery, cut-off switches, 5-point harness, 10 point cage, fire suppression system, etc. Beyond that is reliability. Parts chosen, within my budget, that can take the abuse of driving on the street as well as a more prepared surface like a road course.

To me, this is my version of Milner's coupe. Cruisin' around at night, and then whenever it's time, let the fun begin.

[vanzuuk1]

Okay, please tell me there was a guy named jason who posted about using mostly stock parts with the g mod. Maybe in another thread?


I am not crazy. Not crazy...SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!



Inside joke, sorry.

[Damn True]

Stoner.

[Steve Chryssos]

Uhh...no. Jason was the sad kid with the slightly damaged goalie mask and the big knife.
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[Steve Chryssos]

....Steevos car is so in-your-face it must really bewilder some old school gearheads, I love it ."....


Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I must be starved for attention or sumthin.

[MADMIKE]

Typical, friggin' typical for a C-Cr to start a multipage thread :).

Back in the 90's my '79 Calais(Cutlass) would probably have been the model of a 'street fighter'. 350O/T50 with GW/ 12"B spindle '79 Seville rear
discs and I wanted to get SSM lift bars. F-41 + upgraded springs sways with poly bushings kept the light weight A bod pretty level. Too bad the
T50 could barely handle a 260O let alone a 350O and the bumpsteer from the B spindle was mild compared to a lowered Fox-chassis. Well at least
I thought so. I was going for a period correct 'Super H/O' that could have been but wasn't. Technically this car would have to have a 403 to be a
SH/O. No Taurus jokes please.

Now I'm working on my '87 Supreme Brougham. 403 and LS-F bod brakes, 8.5 rear, and the idea of a T56(have bell, need trans) but I may
just stick with a Th2004R. Again F-41 + upgrated springs, chassis bracing borrowed from early A bods and GP.
Being cheap/broke Im going with 17x9 02 SS rims w/spacers. I would love to have Garys SSIII 17x9s but cost is prohibitive, and Hoopsters are
too fraking much as well. SPC UCAs w/Howe BJ, and of course ZQ8 spindles will make the LS conversion a tad easier.
These days exhaust systems are cheaper to have that are easier to 'pass' smog with.

Who overturned SB-42? May they burn in the afterlife for overturning my '79s freedom 3 years short:banghead:

[Dan Sherwood]

With two 1st gen camaros and a "pro touring" truck I think I can see the diff in the two styles.
The 69 for sale has a whole lot more $ into it, and although performance is ALWAYS the first prerequsite on my list, it has more creature comforts (killer stereo-ac-power whatever) and although setup to run the legal limit of 11.5 in the qtr I wanted to be able to drive it where ever-when ever, and do it comfortably. It's no slouch, but I find myself almost nervous to drive it in traffic for fear it will get a rock nick or something. It almost takes the fun out of it for me.
On the other hand, the 67 with a bbc is just what's been described-a 30 footer that is geared almost exclusively (now) for the track, with everything removed that could be to lower the weight and just leave what it takes to get it either down the track or around it, even though it is still street legal, has a plate and insurance while still being able to dip into the 9's, or embarrass the vette, porsche guys at the road course.
Needing to sell a few vehicles, the truck that can run low 12's is going away, and if I had my choice the 69 would go if I can get the right price. Unfortunately, if the 69 does'nt sell, my first choice to keep, the "street fighter" 67 will have to go. Best part of it- is that I can run the @#$% out of it at the track, and if there are new rocks chips, who could tell-or care for that matter? Just be fast and comfortable enough for 20 minute sessions in it is what matters with it.

[slow4dr]

I have contemplated naming my car "Tank" after David Tank Abbott arguably one of the best streetfighters ever. That and my car won't be the best looking thing out there.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

shoot..

it makes sense seeing that Tank Abbot was always outta gas...

LOL

[slow4dr]

shoot..

it makes sense seeing that Tank Abbot was always outta gas...

LOL


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[zbugger]

Here's a shot of a car I'd consider a streetfighter. Tommy, if you read this, DAMN YOUR CAR LOOKS BADASS!!!!!!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

The style I'm targeting is streetfighter. I gotta get the time to do it all now...

[JMarsa]

I love those pipes and the black-out treatment.

--JMarsa

[Leadfoot1]

Anyone got a pic of that 64-5 GTO that was in an ad for i think it was a brake company, had spoilers and stuff..

Man it looked mean!

Lead.

[69Nova]

Here's a shot of a car I'd consider a streetfighter. Tommy, if you read this, DAMN YOUR CAR LOOKS BADASS!!!!!!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

The style I'm targeting is streetfighter. I gotta get the time to do it all now...

So badass. I love the side pipes.

[Damn True]

Anyone got a pic of that 64-5 GTO that was in an ad for i think it was a brake company, had spoilers and stuff..

Man it looked mean!

Lead.


http://www.gtoroadracer.com/

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[WS6]

So amazing. High Performance Pontiac has promised a feature on this GTO in the near future. That car is a monster and I love that it's a real 64 GTO

[Steve Chryssos]

Nice cars!! Let's not forget this hot little number.
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[Leadfoot1]

Damn true,

That is the one! I've been looking all over for a pic like that of this car! The only ones i found we're small ones...

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

THAT! is Bad A$$

Does it fit the street fighter look to you guy's?

Lead.

PS, Its my new wallpaper!

[Damn True]

So amazing. High Performance Pontiac has promised a feature on this GTO in the near future. That car is a monster and I love that it's a real 64 GTO

Well, not really. The only unmolested parts are the Poncho badge and the roof.

[Damn True]

Nice cars!! Let's not forget this hot little number.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

Is that Jr. E's 2nd Gen?

[Steve Chryssos]

Yup. I didn't include a link because I'm sure it can be found in at least one other thread. For fun, start on page ten and work your way back to page one. It starts out as all super clean DSE builds, but as you work forward, it takes a turn towards the dark side. There's a ton of aggressive details throughout.

http://www.detroitspeed.com/projectpages/dalejr/dalejr_main.htm

[WS6]

Well, not really. The only unmolested parts are the Poncho badge and the roof.

Correct. I guess I should have said it started out as a real GTO. It's not a Tempest with GTO badges.

[69Nova]

Wasnt that GTO in Hot Rod last year?

[71dusterdan]

man it has been a while since i've been here. my duster is all streetfighter, i have no time for comfort i just wanna rip faces off. full cage, coming along nicely but very slow. finally decided that it has to have hard mounted aluminum seats, i was wavering. if i insist on that joes racing products wheel, i better it is in my closet, anyways you need a nascar style column which then mandates solid seats and harnesses. blah, blah. so it has progressed from lexus nice pt to balls out killer. but it has been a safety thing, like i said i wanted cushy and modern, but wanted certain items for safety and a vibe which then dictates more required items. it has been an expensive process. i have bought parts that satisfied the lust only to later realize they are not safe, anyone want some fully moveable ricer seats? hahaha. so it has morphed into full blown circle track vibe with no compromises. someone on the first page mentioned a valiant with a nuke gm license plate. that is one famous mopar, it belongs to an editor of mopar action magazine, it is simple and cheap, and just brutal. it has shown many a "better" car a thing or two. it has done very well in the one lap, a few times. i have ripped off all kinds of ideas from that car. Dan:1st:

[vanzuuk1]

Pics?

[QuasarZ]

Ok, I like this Streetfighter thing and no funds to finish the shiny car. So would my 81 Z28 project Black Dog fit the Streetfighter bill? I have three engines to choose from 70's 350 4 bolt, 68 396, or 88 350 TPI.

[vanzuuk1]

Dont worry if it fits the bill, just build it.

[rellim51]

How about a street rod street fighter..........sort of.




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[TonyL]

Interesting. I like it. I wondered when cars like those would start happening. quatraduce was way ahead of its time.

[rellim51]

This car was built in 2005.

[6'9"Witha69]

How about a street rod street fighter..........sort of.




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https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gifThat is SWEEET!:drool:
Too bad I could never fit!

[Cometose]

quatraduce was way ahead of its time.

I totally agree!
The colors weren't for me but the rest of the car more than made up for that.

[jaybee]

I saw a car very similar to that at the Des Moines, Goodguys show, but it had some really big brake disks and was a bright metallic green. Pretty cool car although the color made me cringe a little.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

How about a street rod street fighter..........sort of.




https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

For my money, this might just be the most bitchin' street rod I've ever laid eyes on.

[Jims78elky]

That is SWEEET!:drool:
Too bad I could never fit!

:attn:

Don't worry 6'9 Iam 6'5 and 290lbs... so butter my sides also!

:rotfl:

-Jim

[rellim51]

More pics....

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[rellim51]

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[180SX_Faktory]

PT is but a small niche within the whole spectrum of Hot-Rodding. Growing to be sure, but still small. Within this group we still have sub-groups.

There are those who want an original looking car with a few modern performance touches that make the car more pleasant to drive.

There are those who want to seriously modernize every aspect of the look and feel of a car. Originality be damned.

There are those for whom this is just the current style of Hot Rod. Not unlike Pro-Street was not so many years ago. "Show-Touring" or "Pro-Tweed" if you will. ("Not that there is anything wrong with that.")

There are those who intend to run their cars at auto-x and Open Track events.

At the risk of inflaming the ire of some (It's not as if that has ever stopped me before) I'd like to start a discussion of a specific build type within the PT niche. I know we all resist labeling cars as this or that, but I think this style lends itself to a label more than others. If for no other reason than to explain to some rube why the heck you built it the way you did.

Streetfighter.

What is it?
What makes a car a "Streetfighter"?
Is it a look, or is it a deed? (Nature vs. Nurture?)

I'll give my opinion (and it's just that....and yes, it stinks just like yours) then open the floor for ya'all to chime in.

IMO, a "Streetfighter" is to PT what a chopper is to Harleys. Minimalist first and foremost. Sure it still has carpet, but there's no room here for DVD monitors. Performance should be the primary concern. Occupant comfort and the eardrums of the neihbors kids are secondary concerns. Retro or Modern theme is fair game, though I have a personal preferance for something that stylistically leans toward the old T/A cars. There is certainly room for a more modern look with a set of CCR's and bunch of carbon fiber as well.

The word itself conjurs up an image. "Street" implies that it actually gets used to it's potential, not merely waxed on Saturdays and parked on a lawn with a crying baby doll on Sunday ("Not that there's anything wrong with that.") It also implies an "edginess" something that might be a bit offensive to "normal" people. Remember how your parents reacted to the cover of that Sex Pistols album....that's the vibe. "Fighter" alludes to a car that has seen it's share of nicks and scuffs. Rock chips are fine, encouraged even. A couple of marks on a rocker panel from orange cones at the last auto-x are badges of honor, not detriments.

These are cars that get driven, hard. As such they should have appropriate safety equipment. Quality seats, properly installed. Harnesses, again...properly installed. Bonus points for cages, fuel cells and fire systems.

A buddy of mine found this website the other day with a couple of fine examples of the vibe:
http://web.mac.com/streetfytr/iWeb/TwistMachineLLC/STREETFIGHTER.html

I think you'll recognize a few.

So let's discuss.

Who's headed this way with their car?
Who's built some bitchin custom doo-dad to inch closer to the goal?
What's needed from the aftermarket to support this niche within the niche?

My other intent for this thread was to provide a centralized location for vendors (paid advertisers of course) to launch products specific to the genre. Also a place for us, and those like us to share ideas for the home-made stuff we've built.

Streetfighter is punk rock. It's good to smash it up! It gets things interesting and busts up the status quo until it becomes mainstream (pop punk) and then somebody introduces stripped down, raw in your face punk rock again. Nice! :) The car scene needs streetfighters from time to time.

[WS6]

rellim, I don't care if it fits the street fighter theme or not that's a badass car. Is this one yours or do you just have some great pics of it?

[rellim51]

Not mine. It was built it in 2005.

[shortrack]

not exactly street legal but could be done in street form with no more work than alot of guys go through on here:worship:

[shortrack]

more

[hectore3]

When racers still used cars that we could really buy! Look at NASCAR now they really need to get back to their roots. Maybe with a different class like Germany's DTM series?

[Ronald Winter]

For my money, this might just be the most bitchin' street rod I've ever laid eyes on.
if i'm not mistaken this car was top five street rod of the year maybe two years ago and top 25 shades of the past real neat car

[rellim51]

You are correct, those were the only two shows it went to and then it was sold at BJ. A collector in the north east bought it and I doubt it will ever be out in public unless it changes hands again.

[Damn True]

You are correct, those were the only two shows it went to and then it was sold at BJ. A collector in the north east bought it and I doubt it will ever be out in public unless it changes hands again.

I just don't get that.

Whatever float's one's boat I suppose but doing so sure ain't "That Streetfighter Thing."

[Ronald Winter]

You are correct, those were the only two shows it went to and then it was sold at BJ. A collector in the north east bought it and I doubt it will ever be out in public unless it changes hands again.

who was the builder on that car?

[rellim51]

Legens Hot Rod www.legenshotrod.com

[gonein67bird]

thats cool

[Damn True]

In the wake of SEMA I thought it might be appropriate to dredge this one back up to see if anyone has anything to report that might be of interest to those building or owning "Streetfighter" themed PT cars.

Did any attendees see any cars that represent the ethic?
Did any attendees see any new products that fit?
Do any of our sponsors have anything they'd like to give us a glimpse of?

[David Sloan]

In the wake of SEMA I thought it might be appropriate to dredge this one back up to see if anyone has anything to report that might be of interest to those building or owning "Streetfighter" themed PT cars.

Did any attendees see any cars that represent the ethic?
Did any attendees see any new products that fit?
Do any of our sponsors have anything they'd like to give us a glimpse of?



Thanks True!!!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Reboots car...

Larrys Car...

that is all...

[rlplive]

Awesome thread, my car will be going towards this theme. For a few reasons, one because I drive the hell out of my cars, and two I don't have very much money.

[72LeMans]

heres my streetfighter in progress.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/DSCN1610-1.jpg

[rlplive]

mine needs some floorpans so I don't fall through the floor when I am cruisin around.

[Bishop73]

Cool thread, great original post. I like to consider mine a PT streetfighter, so far if it hasn't made it louder, go faster, stop quicker or handle better, it hasn't had it. ;) Creature comforts be damned!!!

[progoat]

My streetfighter has two wheels..but thought about going that route on the 65?

[Jim Nilsen]

Awesome thread, my car will be going towards this theme. For a few reasons, one because I drive the hell out of my cars, and two I don't have very much money.

That's what keeps my car to be built at the Streetfighter level. Especially the money part:twothumbs , more money would just make it weigh more too !!

[Roadrage David]

streetfighter all the way for my necst project , bit roadwarrior stijl....

[69496]

I love this thread. My brother and I have been working on our cars for a couple years now and this is exactly what we are building. Pro-touring per say seems to have gotten a little showy and expensive. The street fighter theme is real hot rodding. My brothers car is a 71 camaro stripped of all the frills still riding wide 15" wheels and a 600hp 355. I am building a 69 chevelle. I guess it is good and bad that you don't see alot of chevelles built this way but it will be a fun car anyways. Like some of the previous posts state if you are going for a race car you can find much better platforms to work from but part of the fun is the look and style of these cars. Scratch that alot of the fun is the look and style of these cars. This is great. As you can see you can build a car like this on a small budget or go all out. Remember it doesn't take alot of money to build attitude, just the right vision.

[Pagani]

Just call it race touring
Pro touring cars for the roadcourse/street
I think this car falls the into the streetfighter thing
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/hrdp_0704_1973_xb_ford_falcon_coupe/index.html
Great treath btw

[rlplive]

Awesome car, and awesome actor. Chopper is one of my favorites.

[JV69z/28]

Streetfighter maybe understating this one.................http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_1935_chevy/index.html

[Ron S]

Its funny,when I was younger,we street raced everything and anything I remember me and a couple freinds tubbing our first car at 16,stealing 10x10 aluminum street signs,to build the floors and tubs.These are what I consider street fighters,the cars that just got beat on weekend after weekend,and were made with ingenuity rather the a big bank role.Ron

[Steve1968LS2]

So does a Streetfighter car have to be ugly and beat looking?

My car leans towards racecar as far as the build... but it's sort of shiny..

And is Streetfighter like Ratfighter or Rat-Touring?

[Steve1968LS2]

Reboots car...

Larrys Car...

that is all...

So, I'm not on that list? hmmmm

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

nah i didnt remember that penny was at Sema.




In the wake of SEMA I thought it might be appropriate to dredge this one back up to see if anyone has anything to report that might be of interest to those building or owning "Streetfighter" themed PT cars.

Did any attendees see any cars that represent the ethic?
Did any attendees see any new products that fit?
Do any of our sponsors have anything they'd like to give us a glimpse of?



+1 Penny.. of COURSE!


and you guys KNOW mine is... when its done.. dernit.

[Flash68]

So, I'm not on that list? hmmmm

I say yours is more streetfighter than those other 2!

[Steve1968LS2]

I say yours is more streetfighter than those other 2!

You see.. I think so.. after all, my car is sans almost all luxury.. no ac, heat, no power brakes, power windows.. no audio... runs on competition tires all of the time.

But it's "pretty" and I don't know if that violates the rules for what a Streetfighter is..

I think I need a ruling from Stevo...

[Flash68]

You see.. I think so.. after all, my car is sans almost all luxury.. no ac, heat, no power brakes, power windows.. no audio... runs on competition tires all of the time.

But it's "pretty" and I don't know if that violates the rules for what a Streetfighter is..

I think I need a ruling from Stevo...

Yep, exactly. You meet 98% of the requirements. You are just missing a dull or dark color, or primer! ;)

Damn, you don't even have power brakes? I didn't know that.

Your car has been the main inspiration for my 68 since you got it. I think I chose a pretty damn good one to try to follow!

[Steve1968LS2]

Yep, exactly. You meet 98% of the requirements. You are just missing a dull or dark color, or primer! ;)

Damn, you don't even have power brakes? I didn't know that.

Your car has been the main inspiration for my 68 since you got it. I think I chose a pretty damn good one to try to follow!

Heck.. I don't even have a normal steering column.. does having my turn signals activated by a toggle on the dash make up for having shiny paint? lol

I love the whole concept behind the Streetfighter build.. this thread makes me happy..

[Bill Howell]

You see.. I think so.. after all, my car is sans almost all luxury.. no ac, heat, no power brakes, power windows.. no audio... runs on competition tires all of the time.

But it's "pretty" and I don't know if that violates the rules for what a Streetfighter is..

I think I need a ruling from Stevo...

You forgot the new wheels.......:slap:

[Steve1968LS2]

You forgot the new wheels.......:slap:

You really need to get over that and move on... lol

I promise I will bring both sets back east next year... :santa3:

[Bill Howell]

Oh, I was just helping you prove your point........:moon:

[Vegas69]

I built mine to drive...I could give a rats ass about car shows or any of that BS.:naughty: Mine will show up at the drag strip, road course...etc once I am confident it's 100% ready. 850 miles and counting.

[Bow Tie 67]

I built mine to drive...I could give a rats ass about car shows or any of that BS.:naughty: Mine will show up at the drag strip, road course...etc once I am confident it's 100% ready. 850 miles and counting.

The last step to confidence is racing it, and seeing what issues pop up. Don't forget to get video for us that are already in the throws of winter.

[Vegas69]

I agree....next is a chassis dyno and some jetting changes. It's running great but a little fat since it was dyno tuned in NC. Should have time to start paying a little more attention to her in the next couple months. :jump: I haven't even had a chance to tune my shocks or finish the last little of the interior. Been playing with some timing adjustments here lately.

[Jim Nilsen]

Doesn't making a streetfighter to look like a show car make it kind of a sleeper thing going on all at the same time.

All of the polished suspension pieces on my car are not for show but because deburred and polished aluminum is 200% to 400% stronger and usually lighter which is a major adgenda of all racing parts. So shiny and showy is a double edged marvel of beauty and racecars are beautiful to me when they are just finshed and fresh.

Bad Penny is a very beautiful and functionally showy racecar. Don't believe it ? Look what won the Optima challenge !!!!!

Congrats on everything Bad Penny has going for it Steve.

[Ron S]

So does a Streetfighter car have to be ugly and beat looking?

My car leans towards racecar as far as the build... but it's sort of shiny..

And is Streetfighter like Ratfighter or Rat-Touring?I didn't say it couldn't have slick paint.Do you viciously pound on Penny on the weekends?{I don't know Steve,when you first got the car,and were doing it,it was Streetfighter,I think you've crossed over to art work,man that thing is gorgeous}I guess there is nothing saying a fighter can't have a pretty face{usually they don't though,broken noses and that}LOL.Ron

[BMF Machine]

So does a Streetfighter car have to be ugly and beat looking?

My car leans towards racecar as far as the build... but it's sort of shiny..

And is Streetfighter like Ratfighter or Rat-Touring?


:lmao: :lol:
:lurk:
You did not just say Rat-Touring did you? PLease stop, I hate rat cars we do not need someone spoofing a rat-touring site?:eek:
PS.....Penny has had a few broken noses? :confused: Steve tell us how many CF spoilers you have went through? Isn't the spoiler on a car like a nose on a fighter? Hell I think penny was even in a pile-up on a CA. Highway at one point in time? I know it was not on purpose, but she did get the hell beat out of her?

[BMF Machine]

http://www.gtoroadracer.com/




https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif


ThaT is a SicK RidE!:Alchy:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I say yours is more streetfighter than those other 2!

indeed...

BUT.. those cars are BRAND NEW.. so you got to give them a chance to touch pavement.

its like new jack mma fighters... might not be so good at first.. but they will prove it.

[Pagani]

How is the big red camaro these days?

[Pagani]

Some videos of the 1964 pontiac gto roadrace
First time on track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpW3k5vnzXo

1964 GTO RoadRace Car at Pocono Speedway 2.5 mile long course PDA 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19a1GJnPBTI

Here is it on the dragstrip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCExgTEicTs

[ProdigyCustoms]

indeed...

BUT.. those cars are BRAND NEW.. so you got to give them a chance to touch pavement.

its like new jack mma fighters... might not be so good at first.. but they will prove it.

I think Steve is saying we dressed Larry's car up to much inside. Fancy door panels, fancy rear seat. I kind of agree. I think a true street fighter is a race car with a license plate, like Steves and SteveOs.

[Steve1968LS2]

I think Steve is saying we dressed Larry's car up to much inside. Fancy door panels, fancy rear seat. I kind of agree. I think a true street fighter is a race car with a license plate, like Steves and SteveOs.

Actually I think Larry's car is perfect as is.. but it's more of the apex of Pro-Touring than Streetfighter. Although once you get those turbos sorted out that thing is going to haul butt

[Mike Holleman]

I have never been much for labels. But there is no doubt that Stevo's Camaro had a major influence on the build style for my Elky, as well as Steve R's car. I gained ideas from them and many others. Frank is spot on that a race car with tags is what I would call a "streetfighter". Spartan, purpose built is what I was after. Very little bling. Regardless of what it is called, I do appreciate the exchange of ideas and the wealth of knowledge available on this site. I thank Larry for making that possible.
Mike

[sik68]

Does it have to be on the street to be a streetfighter?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/11/IMG_0854-1.jpg

I can't wait to do a burnout in a patch of gravel...just for more street cred :)

[69496]

I keep forgeting to ask but Bad Penny mentioned his steering column. Where can i get some info on what you did? I really like the way your interior turned out. Like you said nice but everything has a purpose. Is the steering column just circle track stuff?

[Flash68]

indeed...

BUT.. those cars are BRAND NEW.. so you got to give them a chance to touch pavement.

its like new jack mma fighters... might not be so good at first.. but they will prove it.

Oh I don't think it has much to do with how new they are. It has to do with their features, or lack thereof, as Steve mentioned.

Those cars have very nice interiors, especially the One Lap. I love em, but they look nicer than what I would think of as a Streetfighter.

Hell, Penny's interior is nice too but it's all business at the same time.

[mongoose]

hmmm coming in a bit late to the convo....

but.. IMO a streetfighter is more than just 'name' it's more of a mind set... if you beat the living piss outta your car, and have no regard for doing things 'proper' then i'd say you own a streetfighter....

i grew up with streetfighter magazine... read it every month... maybe thats is why i like pro-touring so much, people taking older bikes, shoving on new suspension, bigger motors, huge turbos, custom frames etc etc. it didn't matter if it had a nice seat.. or shiny paint... it just had to be one thing.... flat out bad ass....

so the same with pro touring cars... have a bad ass car... and you drive it like it's stolen.... well .. you my friend have a streetfighter.

[Damn True]

So again....anything new from SEMA that is applicable to the genre?

New parts?

New stylistic elements?

Vendors....got anything good for us?

[Flash68]

So again....anything new from SEMA that is applicable to the genre?

New parts?

New stylistic elements?

Vendors....got anything good for us?

Maybe those new American Muscle series gauges that Autometer released?

I was hoping for more ideas/options coming out as well...

[Damn True]

I haven't seen those.....don't see anything on their website. Linky?

[Flash68]

I haven't seen those.....don't see anything on their website. Linky?

No link. Probably not even available yet. Scott @ Lateral G posted some pics of their display from SEMA in his thread over there....