grizzly man

[vanzuuk1]

I rented a movie called "grizzly man", it covers the life and death of Timothy Treadwell,who lived with grizzly bears for over a decade. He became a little delusional and thought that he was one with the bears,he even convinced his girlfriend to come to the alaskan peninsula and interact with the bears.

Well, bears are carnivores and not as loyal as he might have wished,he and his girlfriend were pulled apart like chickens and eaten.

The movie contains a lot of footage of Tim and the bears,it made my hair stand up to watch,very creepy. He was delusional enougth to have long conversations at arms length from huge grizzlies.

Not a date movie but I found it pretty amazing.

[pav8427]

The way I see it he had time to let these critters get to know he was just another nut job tryin' to get his pictures with them and he brought his gal with him and they wanted him for their own.
The acticle in Alaska magazine was pretty good and speculates that just bringing this gal with him may have caused those oh so gentle(haha) giants to attack.

One things for sure,when in bear country,use your eyes,ears,nose and if needed a good 300 Win mag won't hurt either.

Doug

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

the family picture in his mind..

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

lol..

[4MuscleMachines]

There is actual video of the incident since he always left his camera on. You can't see anything but you can hear it all. I could swear I heard bones being crunched, very gruesome.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

I saw part of this on the Discovery channel about a year or so ago; it is certainly an interesting documentary / film.

[LONE*STAR]

links...anything?

[blackbeast]

When I watched the Video All I could do was laugh at how stupid this guy was. If you have ever seen a bear in the wild, the video takes on a whole new meaning. I had a couple of run-ins in minnesota canoeing/camping. And believe me, the last thing that I though as the bear was raiding our camp repedidly was "we could be friends"

That idiot got what he deserved, the really sad thing is that a couple of bears were culled.

[vanzuuk1]

Where did you hear the audio?

[69Pony]

When I was young (14-16) my father was stationed in Juneau AK. They have some mighty big bears there. We did a fair amount of fishing, hunting and hiking. I was a 14 year old kid with a .45 auto strapped to my thigh whenever I went anywhere.

It was a bit of the wild wild west with everyone strapping all the time. Strange to walk into the local mall with a pistol.... I remember a local bar (the red dog saloon) that servered a great lunch. You checked your pistol in like you would a coat. Take your mag or bullets out and give them your firearm - they gave you a check slip.

In the two plus years I lived there 3 locals died due to bear attacks. All fisherman with fish in their possesion. When we fished, one would always stand guard with gun in hand. Most of the time you could smell the bear coming before you'd see them. I've fished with big grizzlies only 20 feet away. Can pucker the backside for sure....

[trapin]

The way I see it he had time to let these critters get to know he was just another nut job tryin' to get his pictures with them and he brought his gal with him and they wanted him for their own. The acticle in Alaska magazine was pretty good and speculates that just bringing this gal with him may have caused those oh so gentle(haha) giants to attack.
Actually the explanation that was given was that the bear that attacked him had recently been relocated to that area because it was causing trouble for locals in another area. The Ranger said the bear had a mean disposition to begin with and didn't know Timothy Treadwell. The other bears did and left him alone. That was the explanation for why he was attacked.

I had a run-in once with a black bear on the Manistee River about 7 years ago. My cousin's and I were walking the river at about 3 O'Clock in the morning to fish a different spot for the salmon runs in the Fall and we happened by what looked like a 500 pound black bear. He had dragged a salmon out of one of the tributaries and was going to town on it. As soon as we came around the brush he looked up at us for a few seconds. I froze and my heart sank into my stomach. But bears have one track minds and he was more interested in that fish than he was us and he went right back to eating like we weren't even there. We slowly turned and walked away. when we got about 20 yards we started bookin down the creek and up the hillside to get back to the truck. I was panting so hard I thought I was going to have a heart attack.

....I don't fish the rivers up north anymore.

[69Pony]

Because I lived in AK and actually find brown bears interesting I've done alot of reading on the subject of Treadwell. My father was the commanding officer of the Coast Guard in AK and because they play such a large part in the life of Alaskans they hear alot about things going on state wide. One of the park rangers is a good friend of the former CO prior to my father and shared a lot of the real facts of the case. The "relocated bear" theory is a new one and wrong....

For general info this seems about as accurate as any...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell

For a good read try this;
http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/Tim_Treadwell.html

Regardless of what you think about Treadwell he died a terrible death as did his girlfriend. Based on what I've read he truly believed in what he was doing though it was obviously not the smartest approach.

Based on my experiences with brownies and virginia black bears, they are best viewed from a distance. I've had some very close calls with brownies in AK. I had one rip up our trash cans and turn them into crushed beer cans and once walked across the path of a momma brown and her two cubs out grouse hunting with buddies. We only had 20 and 12 gauge shotguns with bird shot. What probably saved us were the two dogs we had. They harrassed the momma until we had time to run away. Both dogs survived but one was slashed bad. Came across a black bear on the Shenadoah trail once eating a road kill deer. The sound of his jaws cracking the deer's ribs was sick.

The 1st week I arrived in Juneau there was a 15 year old kid who was killed by a brownie while fishing. He would have been in my class that year. The bear ate part of him and buried the body under leaves for a meal later. Bunch of hunters and rangers waited for the bear and killed it as it came back to eat more.

Like I said earlier we used to fish the same streams as these brownies and you always had to be on the lookout. Some people banged pots and pans to ward them off. Being young we played rock music and carried big guns.

It wasn't uncommon to see a bear or two a week. Usually out by the river or glacier lake but occasionally you'd see one crossing the road up ahead or on mountain trails. Brownies in AK are like deer in MD - you see quite a few. Bald Eagles in AK are like squirrels on the east coast. We had so many Eagles in the trees during the Salmon run it looked like there was snow in the trees from all the white plumes.

[toofun]

Holy Crap!! Well I guess I'll never complain about another Nor easter snow storm again!! Not the woodsy type at all. I enjoy watching the nature animals on the tube but that is about as far as Im willing to go. Unless a park ranger doesnt mind me packing some RPG'S, hand grenades and rigging my camping perimeter with some trip wires!!! (LOL).

I love watching the MAN VS WILD series on tv though. I ll never forget the time he was talking about bears and was saying that nine times out of ten they attack because they happen to be surprised upon by a hunter or what not... Anyways he goes through the woods screaming "YO BEAR" cause he says that if they hear you, they will run away... OK.... I think I'll stick to camping in my double fenced back yard...with a gun or two by my side.......on second thought forget it!!!!

Mark
TOOFUN

[4MuscleMachines]

Where did you hear the audio?

It's been a long while since I heard it, I will dig it up to see if I find it again.

It was chilling, you could hear his girfriend screaming and then him screaming at the the bears to leave her alone. Then you hear him wildly yelping and bones crunching as his voice fades.

[69Pony]

There is actual video of the incident since he always left his camera on. You can't see anything but you can hear it all. I could swear I heard bones being crunched, very gruesome.

I find this interesting since the audio tape has never been released however there were some fakes circulating around ...


Have you listened to the supposedly "real death audio" that is floating around on the internet, and is it real? I have heard it and no it is not real but a fake or spoof. Jewel Palovak still holds the real tape and has no plans to release it. I hope that she never does.

Jewel was Treadwell's ex girlfriend and the co-author of his book. She will not release the audio. Don't blame her - would you release the audio of someone you loved being eaten?

[4MuscleMachines]

http://media.putfile.com/Tim-Treadwell-bear-attack

I found the link and then recalled there is some dispute to it being real or not. Funny how ones memory fades as time passes. After hearing it again (I had only heard it once, and partially at that since I don't get into this type of thing), it does sound somewhat fabricated.

[69Pony]

Some more info on bears and attacks...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America_by_dec ade

Also - check YouTube for a video of a brownie killing a moose in a driveway in Anchorage. Bear rips the heart out of the moose to kill it. I think this is it - can't view YouTube at work...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yI7HfxujAW0

BTW: a moose is nothing to mess with either. Had one chase me and my uncle once. We were fishing in Auk bay in AK and the moose was walking along the edge of the water. He saw us and started "bleating" at us and then charged us. We were lucky to be on large rip-rap rock so the moose couldn't climb it easily. Needless to say we ran....

Also, my next door neighbor and his friend were killed when they hit a yearling moose while in a Datsun B210. The moose fell onto the front window and crushed the front of the car. The car went off the road and both guys died of their injuries and exposure. Moose was still alive when they were found but was put down.

[Damn True]

Bear v Caribou http://youtube.com/watch?v=9ANqAZvT3uc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dopLg4SqzpA

[Ralph LoGrasso]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dopLg4SqzpA

:lmao: I haven't seen that clip in years...good stuff.

The bear vs. moose vid was crazy.

[muthstryker]

ralph that was a caribou you east coasty :)

[Damn True]

This thread bites.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

ralph that was a caribou you east coasty :)

:lmao: I hail from the concrete jungle, can ya tell? I was just going off of what the vid said, though.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

This thread bites.

Sweet pun. :bananna2: haha

[blackbeast]

Regardless of what you think about Treadwell he died a terrible death as did his girlfriend. Based on what I've read he truly believed in what he was doing though it was obviously not the smartest approach.




I truly believe that I am Ivan the terrible Reincarnated. That doesn't make me any less of an idiot because I *believe* What he did was stupid and horrible. Any acclimitisation to humans is bad for wild animals. And in the end not only did he die, but they killed the bears since they had killed humans. It's the bears I feel sorry for. . .

[Bandit]

I saw the movie too, my reaction to it as well was "Weird!" Ol Tim definitely had a bit of a twisted view on life. He loved his bears and you can maybe give him credit for that, but his actions were pure insanity. Some say he respected the animals, but I say he didn't respect them for what they really are...1000-lb wild carnivorous beasts. There are some things on this planet that just weren't meant to be screwed with by humans. He was stupid and I'm sorry for his family and friends that he put them through that. Then again, they should have had him institutionalized long ago, maybe then he would still be alive today. Not to mention the forest rangers that had to worry about this lunatic roaming in their jurisdiction, and then later had to try to find all the pieces of him to return to his family.

BTW, his crazy tree-hugging friends weren't much better--like that loopy yahoo female at the end of the show talking about Tim while wearing his bloody watch that he had on when he was killed...*shudder* What's wrong with these people?

On a lighter note (shortened version of an old joke):

Q. How do you tell black bear poop from grizzly bear poop?

A. --Black bear poop has grasses and berries in it, and has an “earthy” aroma.

--Grizzly bear poop contains clothing and gun barrels, and smells like pepper spray.