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WS6
06-20-2007, 06:53 PM
This is a lesson about drinking or something bigger. Think about it the next time someone complains that the "rich people "get the lion's share of a tax cut. Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. "Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men- the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 wind fall so that everyone would get his 'fair share’? They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from every body's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of$7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once out side the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20, "declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right, "exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute, "yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

rocketrod
06-20-2007, 07:20 PM
While I agree with your point of view, in the scenario above the tenth man didn't benefit the most as he only got a 16% savings, but other than that you are spot on how people react to tax cuts.

Mr.VENGEANCE
06-20-2007, 07:43 PM
funny me and my wife were talking about this the other day.. good way to put it.

Scatpack
06-20-2007, 09:03 PM
makes sense to me

6'9"Witha69
06-21-2007, 12:12 PM
While I agree with your point of view, in the scenario above the tenth man didn't benefit the most as he only got a 16% savings, but other than that you are spot on how people react to tax cuts.Analytically/Statistically he did not get the greatest break, but the almighty dollar is what people look at. That is what this example is attempting to show. That by simple accounting the rich gets the largest break, wherein by statistics and analytics the rest were in a better overall position.

I need to use this the next time someone with the "poor people are taxed unfairly" or "The rich need to pay their fair share" mentality want to give me crap about my views.

Thanks.

77Formula
06-21-2007, 12:19 PM
I somewhat understand taxes now. Thanks for that! :worship:

WS6
06-21-2007, 04:34 PM
Rod this was an email that was sent to me. I understand taxes but I'm not good enough to put forth a scenario that explains it so well as that.

rocketrod
06-21-2007, 06:03 PM
I wasn't taking a dig at you, in fact I really like the simple explanation, but no matter how simple it is, the people getting less $$$, but a larger % tax break, will still complain.

Rod this was an email that was sent to me. I understand taxes but I'm not good enough to put forth a scenario that explains it so well as that.


Analytically/Statistically he did not get the greatest break, but the almighty dollar is what people look at. That is what this example is attempting to show. That by simple accounting the rich gets the largest break, wherein by statistics and analytics the rest were in a better overall position.

I need to use this the next time someone with the "poor people are taxed unfairly" or "The rich need to pay their fair share" mentality want to give me crap about my views.

Thanks.
I agree totally, but the problem, as you know, is they just don't get it even with this VERY simple illustration.

RaceMan
06-21-2007, 06:10 PM
Thanks that was good!!! :rolleyes:

WS6
06-21-2007, 07:28 PM
Oh I know you weren't digging at me. I was just letting you and others know this isn't my work. I wish I could be credited with this as it's brilliantly simple. My sister sent it to me and that's about as much as I know about the source unfortunately