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Texas Hotrod
02-22-2007, 08:01 PM
I have a 68 Camaro project and I plan on using a set ZO6 wheels/tires. For these wheels to tuck inside the rear wheel wells, I needed an axle 6" wider than the stock 10 bolt. I dug through my pile of axles and found a 12 bolt (3.73 posi) that came out of a 1978 Blazer. I machined the ends of the axles and redrilled the bolt pattern to fit the car wheels. The axle is now in the car and the 18X10.5 wheels fit perfectly.

I was looking for different front control arms to space the spindles outward to compare w/the rear spacing. I figured I need to widen the front track by 4 to 4.5" for the Vette wheels to fit. I located sources for custom (adjustable) upper a-arms but struck out on the lowers. I thought of making my own, but that was to be the last resort. I know there are kits to adapt C4 pieces to a 1st gen subframe, but I ruled that one out also. I thought of billet wheel adapters as an option, that would be an easy solution. I plan on installing big brakes to fit the 18" wheels (NASCAR rotors and Wilwood calipers ???), so I wasn't happy with running the stock hubs and spindles.

I had one of the city's cop cars in the shop and noticed it had a modular suspension unit. This thing has a beefy cast aluminum cross member, aluminum lower control arms, coil-over designed shocks, aluminum spindles, aluminum dual piston calipers, rack/pinion unit and a sway bar. The only thing that isn't aluminum is the rotors, wheel hubs, upper a-arms and tie rods. Too bad it's made by Ford (Crown Vic), but I truely am impressed w/its design.
I located a unit in a local salvage yard (he had many) and hauled it to the shop for further inspection. It looks like it measures 68" from hub to hub. I figure it's within specs of what I was looking for and figured I could make it work. I was wanting to use dry sump oiling and lower the engine in the frame. The spacious flat area under the oil pan just might allow for that too.

An all aluminum front unit? I'm now planning on building aluminum frame rails. Looks like my C4 rear unit would be a good idea too (too bad the 12 bolt is already installed).

Just thought this info might be useful to someone.

00fxd
02-22-2007, 08:53 PM
That is interesting, how does the blazer diff compare in weight?

zbugger
02-22-2007, 09:16 PM
:postpics:

protour_chevelle
02-22-2007, 09:29 PM
to properly engineer an aluminum frame would take huge dollars. The stresses that are put on key areas within a frame is nothing to think little of.

I'd go steel for sure unless you have bob johnson kinda money. Even then... I'd rather pass on aluminum.

-Matt

Marcus SC&C
02-23-2007, 08:16 AM
I`ll second the :postpics:
We`ve got a really nice`67 Galaxy 390 fastback that would be SWEET with a subframe like that. I`d love to run the geometry on it.

I dunno if I`d put one in a Camaro though and I`d for sure avoid the aluminum frame unless you`re certified to weld it and have a local place that can re heat treat the whole structure for you.
Widening the track with the stock subframe isn`t a big deal,especially if you use coilovers. Mark SC&C

Texas Hotrod
02-23-2007, 08:54 PM
I would think that the truck 12 bolt is slightly heavier than a Camaro 12 bolt. The housing is wider and the axle shafts are longer (and possibly thicker???). It's surely heavier than the wimpy 10 bolt.

I had plans to get the car back in the shop and unload the front unit today, but that didn't happen. I'll get-er-done tomorrow and take some pics.
Just by eye-balling the width of the Ford unit I can see where some big box sections will have to be added to the Camaro subframe. The Vic's frame rails are really tall and widely spaced.
I agree also that's the easiest (and safest) way to mount it all together. I would rather take the time and fab up a custom subframe and make it look professional than to have it look like a hack job. I wouldn't sacrafice safety for anything anyway, so thanks for the concern. It needs to be mocked in the car and then I'll make further decisions.

I'll see what happens tomorrow.
I'll post pics in the P.M.

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

00fxd
02-24-2007, 12:01 AM
Bring on the pics.......

Texas Hotrod
02-24-2007, 08:46 PM
It was dark w/crappy lighting. I'll try to get better pics in the day light.

I guess it's not as wide as I thought it was.
There'd be a lot of fabbing to make it fit the stock subframe. It's surely doable.
Notice the ears that bolt down to the top of the frame rails (one is flipped up, the other is down). It has 12" brake rotors and dual piston calipers. Not bad, light years ahead of the Camaro's suspension.

Marcus SC&C
02-26-2007, 10:01 AM
That`s pretty sweet. Nice modular setup. My first impression is that it should have decent geometry judging by the angles of the almost unloaded arms. Nice find! Mark SC&C