Bullrun

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Fixed that for ya.:Alchy:

LMAO

[Damn True]

.......and for the ladies......

Andre or Big Jim in Borat's swimsuit.

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[FoxGranadaChuck]

It just heartened me that the Olds guys came in first place this past episode. This is because they were usually at the very bottom of the heap on previous episodes.

Way to go, Old guys!!!

[Martin71RS]

This is great!!! I watched the first 4 episodes through internet and I've enjoyed it!! Must be lots of fun driving in an event like that...

I'll be waiting for the new episodes, starting the 5th one now.

Martin

[Chad-1stGen]

So when watching this latest episode I had a thought. How are they going to finish/declare a winner when it's down to the last two or three cars?

The idea of the last two cars just driving from one city to another for the win seems lame especially since that is totally dependant on reliability and navigation and not so much driver skill. I guess if the last two cars do two legs with a challenge in the middle it would be ok.

That gives me an idea. If you were a betting man and confident you could win any challenge and it's down to the last two cars so you are guaranteed the challenge then on the first leg you could go a slow as possible to get a crazy bad time and then dump it on the other guy by winning the challenge...

[mattstang70]

That gives me an idea. If you were a betting man and confident you could win any challenge and it's down to the last two cars so you are guaranteed the challenge then on the first leg you could go a slow as possible to get a crazy bad time and then dump it on the other guy by winning the challenge...

crazy like a fox!!

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Thats a great idea.....watch the show and you will see what happens when such tactics are employed :)

[Dr.Olds]

Fixed that for ya.:Alchy:

Well as you proved, I couldn't have said that better myself, hahaha. I think that would definetly boost some sales.:twothumbs

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Bump for tonight's episode.

[6'9"Witha69]

Can't wait. ~6 hrs off. I woke up this morning thinking "Bullrun tonight! YEESSSSS!"

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Well, the inevitable happened tonight. Team Chevy (the Mexicans) got bumped tonight. They got held up because one of their team members had to take a fairly long trip to the bathroom. While I was not surprised, I was quite disappointed. Those guys were such fun!

Again, Team Olds took first place. Team F-150 came from fairly far back earlier in the show and took second place in the end. Unfortunately, Team Charger went to the bottom of the rung because of fuel mileage issues.

From hearing Goldberg talk, things are going to get very interesting.....

[Damn True]

Hey, no spoiler posts until after 11pm PST

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Keeping it real.

That was one very expensive bowel movement for team Chevy.

3 wins in a row, we were feeling very good.

[Steve Chryssos]

Finally got to watch Bullrun for the first time. I really enjoyed it. :cool: And I usually HATE car TV shows.

[CraigMorrison]

Keeping it real.

That was one very expensive bowel movement for team Chevy.

3 wins in a row, we were feeling very good.

Good job guys- I'm glad it just wasn't those Ford truck guys. It is a shame to see the Mexican dudes go, they were hillarious. The guy was complaining that he needed to drop the kids off at the pool and then takes that long? That must have seemed like hours for the driver that was waiting for him.

It seems like everybody needs to have a group hug.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Keeping it real.

That was one very expensive bowel movement for team Chevy.

3 wins in a row, we were feeling very good.

Keep up the good work, guys!!!

[Dr.Olds]

Yeah it's definetly getting way more cut-throat. Goldberg said something about a format change for the challenges, I wonder what that'll be. Maybe only two teams go into a challenge now instead of four, picked only by the team in 1st? Who knows, but it's gonna get nuts the next few episodes that's for sure!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Yeah it's definetly getting way more cut-throat. Goldberg said something about a format change for the challenges, I wonder what that'll be. Maybe only two teams go into a challenge now instead of four, picked only by the team in 1st? Who knows, but it's gonna get nuts the next few episodes that's for sure!

For sure!!!

[Co4416]

Ive been following the show too. Now were the Lotus guys actually as big of *****s as they come off as on tv or is that part of the editing? Personally I cant stand them, especially the big guy. Hopefully Team Lotus or Team Honda with badass Dirty Rice is gone next. Anyway, good luck to Team Olds and Charger.

[6'9"Witha69]

The F-150 driver is an idiot. Did he not think a ~80mph run through a brick wall wouldn't do anything?! Then he denies knowing why Lotus and Honda were penalized, admits to what he did, and then gets mad because someone calls him for lying. I really want these guys OUT!!

I am still rooting for the Charger and Olds.

I keep going to bed on Tuesdays and dreaming about being in Bullrun myself. This show is very addicting.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I dream of being in Bullrun also! Man, I wish that I had my Cougar up and running....

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

This has turned out to be a pretty good show. I was glad they reran all the early shows last weekend so I could see it from the beginning. I'd like to see the Olds, Charger, and T/A teams be the last three. Looking forward to see how this all turns out.

[Bookm]

If I was in a high-stakes poker tournament, and I saw my apponent pull an ace from his sleeve, am I supposed be "cool" about it and keep my mouth shut? The Ford guys are boring as hell (using cruise control) but they're competing for a ton of money! I have no use for all the "tough-guys" that want to step up and assault someone they don't like.

Frankly, I don't see why there ever was ANY alliances. Navigate well in a reliable vehicle and you should do well on the road portions regardless if everyone else is your buddy. I look forward to the end when it's truly every man/girl for themselves! I'll bet the walkie-talkie's will hardly get used at all pretty soon ;)

I most appreciate team Olds for staying out of the "tough-guy" BS and point out that this is about sitting in cool cars and DRIVING!!

Angry, there's NO doubt you have the nicest ride out there. I just hope you don't get caught short of fuel. That would be a sad way to lose.

The Ford should NOT have tried to beat that Lotus. Who here really thinks that tank could have beat that racecar in a test of acceleration? Just silly. He wrecked his truck for no reason. I suspected that Goldgerg would later show everyone that the wall was actually made out of harmless foam. I was half/right in that it was made from foam of some sort, but certainly wasn't harmless, LOL.

My bet for the win??... Team TransAm (believing a performance challenge will win over F150 in the final)

Canada's Worst Driver 2 - Sean
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[6'9"Witha69]

Mr Angry, what did your buddy say that morning? Something about it being colder than tits ina witch's bra in the snow or something? It seemed really good but didn't catch it all.

[MrAngry]

I believe Jim said: "It's colder then a witches tit in a brass bra, face down in the snow..."

I have no idea where he came up with that...

[Damn True]

The F-150 guys and Mr. Angry had a point. Yes, the Lotus and Civic finished the race in formation. But how did they close on the F-150 running on cruise control if they were not exceeding the speed limit? As for their beer tent histrionics....I think my wife nailed it. "What a bunch of juviniles." Followed by, "Did that grown adult male actually use the word "hatin"?"

My thoughts: C'mon toughguy. Wanna do more than run your mouth? Go ahead. There is a camera here to capture you in all your bada$$ glory while you beat me up prior to your ejection from the race and arrest and conviction for assault. Don't like that scenario.....then shaddup.

Ok enough of the reality show drama.

This last episode was a little dull except for the aforementioned. But what the heck are they going to do in Eastern Nevada and West Utah? There's really only one road. 80. I hope the future stages put a greater premium on navigation I would hate to see this thing decided based on fuel mileage.

How long do we have to wait to see the auto-x looking challenge that is in the intro? There is a brief shot of the Olds running the cones.

Too bad they didn't let you guys out on the salt. It would have been fun to see what the absolute top speed of the various cars was on the long course at Bonneville.

[Larry Callahan]

Curious, what's with this 80mph speed limit? Is that what the speed limit there or is that a limit the show placed?

[FoxGranadaChuck]

If I was in a high-stakes poker tournament, and I saw my apponent pull an ace from his sleeve, am I supposed be "cool" about it and keep my mouth shut? The Ford guys are boring as hell (using cruise control) but they're competing for a ton of money! I have no use for all the "tough-guys" that want to step up and assault someone they don't like.

Frankly, I don't see why there ever was ANY alliances. Navigate well in a reliable vehicle and you should do well on the road portions regardless if everyone else is your buddy. I look forward to the end when it's truly every man/girl for themselves! I'll bet the walkie-talkie's will hardly get used at all pretty soon ;)

I most appreciate team Olds for staying out of the "tough-guy" BS and point out that this is about sitting in cool cars and DRIVING!!

Angry, there's NO doubt you have the nicest ride out there. I just hope you don't get caught short of fuel. That would be a sad way to lose.

The Ford should NOT have tried to beat that Lotus. Who here really thinks that tank could have beat that racecar in a test of acceleration? Just silly. He wrecked his truck for no reason. I suspected that Goldgerg would later show everyone that the wall was actually made out of harmless foam. I was half/right in that it was made from foam of some sort, but certainly wasn't harmless, LOL.

My bet for the win??... Team TransAm (believing a performance challenge will win over F150 in the final)

I concur wholeheartedly on this point!!!

[ssdeuce]

I hate that the Mexicans got put off. They are so funny I'm sure they are a blast to hang out with. I'm ready for team Honda to go.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I hate that the Mexicans got put off. They are so funny I'm sure they are a blast to hang out with. I'm ready for team Honda to go.

As am I!!!

Good to see a fellow Tennessean here in this forum!!!

[streetrod77]

I believe Jim said: "It's colder then a witches tit in a brass bra, face down in the snow..."

I have no idea where he came up with that...
That was funny as hell to me. You guys have all the fun along with team Chevy.

[streetrod77]

The F-150 driver is an idiot. Did he not think a ~80mph run through a brick wall wouldn't do anything?! Then he denies knowing why Lotus and Honda were penalized, admits to what he did, and then gets mad because someone calls him for lying. I really want these guys OUT!!

I am still rooting for the Charger and Olds.

I keep going to bed on Tuesdays and dreaming about being in Bullrun myself. This show is very addicting.
Team F150 said that they filmed the Honda for speeding not the Lotus. What the heck is the difference if both passed team F150 right behind one another. Ditto for Charger & Olds.

[6'9"Witha69]

Team F150 said that they filmed the Honda for speeding not the Lotus. What the heck is the difference if both passed team F150 right behind one another. I hope that was not based on race.I thought the same thing. Either that or he just really hated Paris.

[streetrod77]

Curious, what's with this 80mph speed limit? Is that what the speed limit there or is that a limit the show placed?
I'm thinking that the 80 mph limit is with 5mph or 10mph over the posted speed limit. Most Officiers don't consider this as speeding.

[Dr.Olds]

I'm not sure what the speed limit is out there, but I was thinking that too. The F-150 guys filmed the Lotus and Civic speeding and then they show their speedo at 80mph. Most places I've ever been that's speeding. Maybe the show had their own limit like some others have said.

[Chad-1stGen]

I was nervous watching the end of that show when it was down to the charger and chevy. I like both those teams but the charger is such a bad ass car I was glad to see you guys not get kicked.

I have been wondering when we were going to see the F150 crash through the wall as it's been in a few highlight pre/post show things. When I saw the challenge I couldn't believe it! What a jackass.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

I'm thinking that the 80 mph limit is with 5mph or 10mph over the posted speed limit. Most Officiers don't consider this as speeding.

Give this man a cigar! You nailed it. Actually we had to stick to only 5mph over the limit and we could go up to 10mph over to pass, but that was it.

We had no cruise control and our speedo was completely off due to the last minute rear end swap. We had to guess our speed since it was more innacurate the faster we went. Unfortunately the camera crew following us often corrected us on the slow side, we confirmed this when riding along side some of the newer cars with calibrated speedometers.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Give this man a cigar! You nailed it. Actually we had to stick to only 5mph over the limit and we could go up to 10mph over to pass, but that was it.

We had no cruise control and our speedo was completely off due to the last minute rear end swap. We had to guess our speed since it was more innacurate the faster we went. Unfortunately the camera crew following us often corrected us on the slow side, we confirmed this when riding along side some of the newer cars with calibrated speedometers.

Oh man!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[6'9"Witha69]

Give this man a cigar! You nailed it. Actually we had to stick to only 5mph over the limit and we could go up to 10mph over to pass, but that was it.

We had no cruise control and our speedo was completely off due to the last minute rear end swap. We had to guess our speed since it was more innacurate the faster we went. Unfortunately the camera crew following us often corrected us on the slow side, we confirmed this when riding along side some of the newer cars with calibrated speedometers.That sucks!! I hate having a speedo that is off. My old stock one would do the a bouncing over a 50 mph band anytime I went over 45. That sucked.

[Chad-1stGen]

I totally understand the speed limit / penalty thing on the show. However, a 10 MPH limit for passing purposes just won't do!

[got_hp?]

im enjoying watchign the show, but daaaaaaamn i wish there was no speeding penalty


i know that would make the show illegal.........but it sure as hell would be a lot more interesting.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Man we prepared the olds to do 180+mph, I spoke to 3 automotive aerodynamicists and did plenty of reasearch myself to get this Hurst "missle" stable at ultra high speeds. So believe me we too were disappointed...man would it have gotten crazy if there was no speed limit, I was hoping to get at least one balls out run against the Lambo. We had the car tuned for mid to high RPM power, my brother took the car upto 160+ "testing" before we left and she was still pulling and that was with BFG Comp T/A tires on 15" Cutlass rims, and without the laughing gas so she was ready and willing.

[got_hp?]

Man we prepared the olds to do 180+mph, I spoke to 3 automotive aerodynamicists and did plenty of reasearch myself to get this Hurst "missle" stable at ultra high speeds. So believe me we too were disappointed...man would it have gotten crazy if there was no speed limit, I was hoping to get at least one balls out run against the Lambo. We had the car tuned for mid to high RPM power, my brother took the car upto 160+ "testing" before we left and she was still pulling and that was with BFG Comp T/A tires on 15" Cutlass rims, and without the laughing gas so she was ready and willing.


man, thats too bad.........would have been a hell of a lot more fun to see than those cheesy "challenges" which just wreck peoples cars.


ah well, cant complain too much, atleast they have a cool show with nice rides for us to watch, better than another reality gameshow.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Man we prepared the olds to do 180+mph, I spoke to 3 automotive aerodynamicists and did plenty of reasearch myself to get this Hurst "missle" stable at ultra high speeds. So believe me we too were disappointed...man would it have gotten crazy if there was no speed limit, I was hoping to get at least one balls out run against the Lambo. We had the car tuned for mid to high RPM power, my brother took the car upto 160+ "testing" before we left and she was still pulling and that was with BFG Comp T/A tires on 15" Cutlass rims, and without the laughing gas so she was ready and willing.

A showdown between you guys and Team Lambo would have been totally cool!!!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Looking forward to tonight's show. And I promise that I will not post concerning it until this time tommorow!!!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Well, Team Honda got bounced as I thought that they eventually would. I hate to say this, but I was not entirely disappointed with that. Particularly in the last few episodes, those guys had absolutely terrible attitudes! At times, they did not get along well with each other!

Team Lotus is the only import left in Bullrun at this point in time. I may be wrong, but I look for those guys to go next week.....

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Oh, one more thing. I noticed that Team Charger handled their gasoline situation much better in last night's show than they did in previous weeks.

Also, Morgan from Team Trans Am was absolutely hilarious in the scene where she got pulled over by the cop. The air in that Trans Am turned several shades of blue after that cop left....LOL

[Dr.Olds]

I'm glad to see all the muscle cars still hanging in, and Team Charger is now in 2nd!! I'm very happy to see that. The road the Olds and the Charger went down looked like it was pretty nuts, was it as bad as it looked on TV? It's tough to say who's going out from now on. I'd like to see the truck or the Lotus go next.

[Larry Callahan]

Oh it's gonna get real good now!

[mdprovee]

Let the fun begin!

I was wondering too, was that road as bad as it looked, and as ruff?

And another great driving by the Charger in the challenge. You guys were the only ones to miss 30 or more..

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Oh it's gonna get real good now!

I strongly concur!!!

[GMachineDartGT]

Man we prepared the olds to do 180+mph, I spoke to 3 automotive aerodynamicists and did plenty of reasearch myself to get this Hurst "missle" stable at ultra high speeds. So believe me we too were disappointed...man would it have gotten crazy if there was no speed limit, I was hoping to get at least one balls out run against the Lambo. We had the car tuned for mid to high RPM power, my brother took the car upto 160+ "testing" before we left and she was still pulling and that was with BFG Comp T/A tires on 15" Cutlass rims, and without the laughing gas so she was ready and willing.

Now your getting crazy....

[6'9"Witha69]

After the next episode, the radios will not be used. The Lotus and F-150 need to go.

That Charger is a shining example of what we are here to do. Make these old tanks handle. Carry the flag boys, we're behind you.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

I'm glad to see all the muscle cars still hanging in, and Team Charger is now in 2nd!! I'm very happy to see that. The road the Olds and the Charger went down looked like it was pretty nuts, was it as bad as it looked on TV? It's tough to say who's going out from now on. I'd like to see the truck or the Lotus go next.

Worst...the most scary horrible road I have ever been on in my life. I believe it was a 2500' drop, no reflectors and no guard rails, single lane, and it was designated a US highway!!!!!! The sign said 15mph, we were doing like 5 and even that felt fast at times. With our stiff suspension and racing tires the car was sliding all over the place, the road had grooves that caused the car to bounce across the road...I was never so scared on a road in my life. Even the camera crew was freaked out....then there was all the rock and gravel damage.....we were pissed.

[Dr.Olds]

Yeah I would be pretty pissed too, but at least you guys survived it! Can't wait to see what happens next week, man it's really looking like the Olds, Charger, and Trans-Am could possibly take the 3 top spots, that would be awesome! I want the F-150 to go out next week for sure!

[got_hp?]

as dumb as the F150 guys are, i cant stand the lotus guys even more............in this episode the mohawk guy tries to talk condescendingly to his partner (who is also a fat ****) calling him stupid and saying he was driving too fast to excuse his own poor navigating.



out of the olds, charger, and transam i dont really care who wins, i just dont want to see any of them get knocked out by the lotus of f150.

[Damn True]

Man I wish you could rt-click and save those videos or that they would buffer before playing. I am on a crap-tastic hotel network and can't get the show to play w/o it stopping every few seconds.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Worst...the most scary horrible road I have ever been on in my life. I believe it was a 2500' drop, no reflectors and no guard rails, single lane, and it was designated a US highway!!!!!! The sign said 15mph, we were doing like 5 and even that felt fast at times. With our stiff suspension and racing tires the car was sliding all over the place, the road had grooves that caused the car to bounce across the road...I was never so scared on a road in my life. Even the camera crew was freaked out....then there was all the rock and gravel damage.....we were pissed.

You guys DID look really freaked out last night!!! I can't say as I blame you! :scared: :scared: :scared:

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Wishing Team Olds, Team Trans Am, and Team Charger Godspeed going into next week.....

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[Chad-1stGen]

ha ha awesome. Just watched the most recent episode. That road was pretty out of control and the commentary had me rolling.

Will be interesting to see what happens next week with the lotus using the sandbag technique.

I know it's been asked a few times but how did you guys get on the show?

Oh and it is kind of interesting that peeps from the Charger and Olds teams post here and there is so much animosity building on the show.

[MrAngry]

Last episode was a good one. The roads were terrible and as of now everyone is under the gun to try and win the 200k. From this point on it gets VERY interesting. The entire mood was actually brought down when the Mexican's left as they were really comic relief for everyone on the show.

The Charger did what it was supposed to do which was handle, brake and overall just perform. I don't think anyone on the show though it was anything more than a big shiny black car with some wheels on it when we got there... it was just cool to see it get a little respect after awhile.

I got on the show by clicking a link on one of the message boards, then applying, then submitting and audition video. The whole process was actually pretty cool.

[streetrod77]

Best of luck to the Charger & Olds. I cant get enough of what that Charger can do when it comes to handleing. And I cant leave out those sayings "Whos your daddy...", they are funny.

[Dr.Olds]

It was definetly a sad thing to see the Mexicans go out, but I'm really cheering for the Charger and Olds (as I'm sure everybody here is). And I must say, it really is impressive to see the Charger beating up on all the newer cars in the challenges, I really don't think anybody had a clue of what could be done to these cars, let alone what you had done. And the fact that you know how to drive it probably scares the crap out of them!!! haha. I can't wait to see what happens, but all I know is I hope the American cars stay in!!!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Last episode was a good one. The roads were terrible and as of now everyone is under the gun to try and win the 200k. From this point on it gets VERY interesting. The entire mood was actually brought down when the Mexican's left as they were really comic relief for everyone on the show.

The Charger did what it was supposed to do which was handle, brake and overall just perform. I don't think anyone on the show though it was anything more than a big shiny black car with some wheels on it when we got there... it was just cool to see it get a little respect after awhile.

I got on the show by clicking a link on one of the message boards, then applying, then submitting and audition video. The whole process was actually pretty cool.

My hat's off to you guys to show that a late-60's Mopar can keep up with the best 21st century stuff, yea even on a road course!:twothumbs :twothumbs :twothumbs

[FoxGranadaChuck]

It was definetly a sad thing to see the Mexicans go out, but I'm really cheering for the Charger and Olds (as I'm sure everybody here is). And I must say, it really is impressive to see the Charger beating up on all the newer cars in the challenges, I really don't think anybody had a clue of what could be done to these cars, let alone what you had done. And the fact that you know how to drive it probably scares the crap out of them!!! haha. I can't wait to see what happens, but all I know is I hope the American cars stay in!!!

I too hope that the Charger stays until the end!!!

[Damn True]

Just had a chance to watch the full episode from last week. Not-fer-nuthin but Alsop hopping out of the car when they got pulled over was monumentally stupid. A great way to spend a 1/2 hour along the highway while Johnny Law searches your whole car. You never hop out of the car, never. His daughter was wrong, way-wrong. Driving with the hi-beams on is a classic tell that cops use to suss out drunk drivers. Middle of the night, in a state that is highly intolerant of alcohol.....what do you expect?

Mike handled his cop-stop like an adult.

Anyone know the nature of the Lotus guys "enterpeneurial" pursuits?

Can't wait to see what got the Ba-da-bing Brothers shorts in a wad.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Eagerly anticipating tommorow night's episode!!!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

There is this strange part of me that misses the Scion girls.....

[Dr.Olds]

Yeah I'm really interested to see what happened between the Olds and Charger to get the Olds boys so upset. It's going to be pretty crazy from here on in, and it's only going to get worse every episode! I think the Lotus is going home tonight.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Yeah I'm really interested to see what happened between the Olds and Charger to get the Olds boys so upset. It's going to be pretty crazy from here on in, and it's only going to get worse every episode! I think the Lotus is going home tonight.

As do I. But we shall see what we shall see tonight.....

[Dr.Olds]

Indeed we shall........either way, it's gonna be good!

[muthstryker]

its killing me i wish it was on right now.

[Damn True]

Should be able to watch it right after the Warriors polish off the Dallas Mavericks.

[Scatpack]

Oh man was that a nail biter.....not gonna spoil it, but that was for sure the most tense round of eliminations....glad it turned out the way it did.

[lower90xcab]

i 2nd that...karma is a wonderful thing.....

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

Excellent episode last night. Have a cpl of questions but I'll wait till later to give all a chance to watch it.

Next week looks pretty good. Are there plans for a second series ??

[TA219]

That was a great episode, it was cool to see goldburg helping with the Charger and talk about karma biting team lotus in the butt!!

Next week looks even better!!

[TPI Monte SS]

Man, that was a great episode last night!!!!!!!!! I was on the edge of my seat for the last 15 minutes, waiting to see how it all played out. And I'm happy it finished that way!

[Dr.Olds]

Yeah it was intense for sure! That show keeps getting better and better. Now it's going to get cut-throat worse than before. I noticed next week's episode is the one where Mike (Mr. Angry) slams his helmet on the ground, I hope this doesn't spell the end for the coolest Charger on the planet! I'm not too worried yet because it's at the challenge so they should still have the 2nd leg to make up time if they get screwed in the challenge. Just some speculation!

[Bookm]

What's the deal with not commenting until all have seen the episode. Just don't read this thread until you've watched it, LOL.

The Charger wouldn't run because of a loose exhaust gasket??? I don't get it.

Sheez! How the heck do you guys manage with the cops down there?! 7-10 mph over the speed limit? Big whip!! No wonder "girl" is getting rather expressive with her demeanour! It's neat how they both control each others attitude, LOL.

It's pretty obvious to me that people ARE speeding. Olds was squeeled-on for doin' 100mph, and Lotus actually hit 140mph on camera (no penalty though). This is good... now it looks like a classic gumball.

I won't miss that toughguy from the Lotus. It looks good on him that HE'S the reason their out (piss-poor navigating). I'm sure he's got better things to do anyway, like drown kittens and junk.

I see corporate America is alive and well as Sonic (show sponsor) got their "plug".

The drama between Olds and Charger adds much interest to the show, but I'm still betting on TransAm and Ford in the final.

[MarkM66]

Yeah, I've never heard of a car not starting because of a exhaust leak.

Olds guys shouldn't be so pissed at the Charger guys about having to compete against the Lotus. It's a compitition, they should be ready to compete against everyone.

[rob07002]

Note to self, "never speed in or around Flagstaff AZ." Holy Bleep that cop was uptight, he probably has a flagstaff up his hole. 7-10 mph over, pft!

I'm soooo glad the Olds guys are still in it, are you guys still bitter with Mr. Angry? That def seemed to be the nail in the coffin going against the Lotus twtas.

So why is Mr. Angry sooo angry next week???????

[streetrod77]

No one has seen next week epiosde yet, so we dodn't know. The preview looks good though. Time bonus might be in everyone best interest but they are limited.

[dropit69]

Well i figured out the olds was staying from the first 10 min they showed a preview of show and i seen olds going thru a road course style challenge that they hadnt done yet ..told me right there that they werent going home..anyone else catch that..?..

[68firebird]

Yeah, I've never heard of a car not starting because of a exhaust leak.

Olds guys shouldn't be so pissed at the Charger guys about having to compete against the Lotus. It's a compitition, they should be ready to compete against everyone.

yea, I don't understand how the charger stalled cause of low backpressure, then once they bolted the collector back to the exhause she didn't start right up. Is it because the compression maybe is high??? I've run my 350 through headers only ( it wasn't for very long) and it ran.

anyway, this show is great I look forward to tuesday nights now. Dad Alsop is funny, he seems so calm, and its funny watching morgan get pissed and he tries to calm her down.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I too am pleased as punch that Team Olds is still in the fight and that Team Lotus is gone!

[Camaro Zach]

Well i figured out the olds was staying from the first 10 min they showed a preview of show and i seen olds going thru a road course style challenge that they hadnt done yet ..told me right there that they werent going home..anyone else catch that..?..I caught that too. During the challenge I was like "hey this isnt a road course, I guess the olds isn't leaving even if they lose the challenge or not."

[FoxGranadaChuck]

We shall find out why Mr. Angry was angry soon enough.

[Chad-1stGen]

Ha ha I love this show. Just finished watching it. Was very happy with the outcome. The matchup of the challenge was interesting as I really thought it woul be ford vs lotus.

It will be fun watching Mr. Angry display the roots of his name next week :)

The exhaust header making the car die was also making me scratch my head wtf? The way the car started back up sounded more like it was flooded.

[muthstryker]

The exhaust header making the car die was also making me scratch my head wtf? The way the car started back up sounded more like it was flooded.


exactly..







my mom wants team olds to get kicked off she doesnt like them very much lol

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Ha ha I love this show. Just finished watching it. Was very happy with the outcome. The matchup of the challenge was interesting as I really thought it woul be ford vs lotus.

It will be fun watching Mr. Angry display the roots of his name next week :)

The exhaust header making the car die was also making me scratch my head wtf? The way the car started back up sounded more like it was flooded.

That was what I thought also.

[SPECWARSQUID]

The exhaust header making the car die was also making me scratch my head wtf? The way the car started back up sounded more like it was flooded.


I have no idea what compression Mike is running is his 440, but I could see lack of back pressure causing the engine not to run.

Now it's no comparisson by any means to Mike's beautiful car but i had a 79 Olds Cutlass years ago with a 305 chevy in it. My buddy and I were ditching the stock manifolds for a set of Hookers. For **** and giggles once the manifolds were off we decided to start the engine with just bare cyclinder heads. It took alot to get it started and then wouldn't idle at all unless the gas pedal was pushed in almost all the way. But it was cool. It went from grandma car to NASCAR within 30 minutes of bolt turn.......just didn't run like one.

So I could see a motor not wanting to run with 4 out of 8 cyclinders having zero back pressure.

and after trying to start it for a little while with no result yeah the carb probalbly was flooded.

But what do I know? .......maybe Mr Angry will chirp in here and tell us all how it was.

_____________
Semper Fortis

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I have no idea what compression Mike is running is his 440, but I could see lack of back pressure causing the engine not to run.

Now it's no comparisson by any means to Mike's beautiful car but i had a 79 Olds Cutlass years ago with a 305 chevy in it. My buddy and I were ditching the stock manifolds for a set of Hookers. For **** and giggles once the manifolds were off we decided to start the engine with just bare cyclinder heads. It took alot to get it started and then wouldn't idle at all unless the gas pedal was pushed in almost all the way. But it was cool. It went from grandma car to NASCAR within 30 minutes of bolt turn.......just didn't run like one.

So I could see a motor not wanting to run with 4 out of 8 cyclinders having zero back pressure.

and after trying to start it for a little while with no result yeah the carb probalbly was flooded.

But what do I know? .......maybe Mr Angry will chirp in here and tell us all how it was.

_____________
Semper Fortis


Your 305 would have run closer to NASCAR if it had a pair of Enginequest Vortec heads and a good Comp Cams cam. Steve Dulcich ran such a beast several months ago and got aroun 365 hp!

Just a little off the beaten path.....

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Eagerly anticipating Tuesday night.....

[6'9"Witha69]

Eagerly anticipating Tuesday night.....You and the rest of us. Now if only the f&*^ing cable company can get their heads out of their a$$e$ and get the cable in my new house so I can watch it tomorrow night. Stupid phone comapny is 1 week off also so I can't watch it on line either. ARRRGGGH!!!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

You and the rest of us. Now if only the f&*^ing cable company can get their heads out of their a$$e$ and get the cable in my new house so I can watch it tomorrow night. Stupid phone comapny is 1 week off also so I can't watch it on line either. ARRRGGGH!!!

I hate to sound like Bill Clinton, but I feel your pain man! I had a little bit of a difficulty getting cable internet service when I recently moved.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I wonder who will be eliminated tonight.....

[6'9"Witha69]

Let the Ford go down please!!

[68firebird]

yea, get that damn F150 out of there.
Where are our 2 bullrunners??? they haven't been to this thread in over a week. wonder if they were told to stop talking about the show on the forum until it was over.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Still here...tonight will be a show not to miss.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Still here...tonight will be a show not to miss.

I for one will most definitely take your word for that!!!

[MrAngry]

He's not kidding....

[Damn True]

Have you guys kissed and made up?

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

GREAT SHOW !!! Can't wait till next week...

[staged67gspwr]

Who was eliminated?

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I am going to wait 12 hours to reveal that one....

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Man, I can hardly wait until next week!!!

[TA219]

WOW! I think this was the first real nail biter, man that was close!!

Talk about getting dirty! The Alsops have been playing games the entire time

[Rich Team11 H/O]

More to this episode than meets the viewer's eyes. Give me a few hours and I will enlighten y'all.

[muthstryker]

was sad to see mike and jim get kicked off, but i will say that mikes car looks the best going down the road.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

More to this episode than meets the viewer's eyes. Give me a few hours and I will enlighten y'all.

Looking forward to it.

[staged67gspwr]

was sad to see mike and jim get kicked off, but i will say that mikes car looks the best going down the road.


ahh the charger boys got eliminated?thats sucks!!

[mdprovee]

More to this episode than meets the viewer's eyes. Give me a few hours and I will enlighten y'all.

I am sure there is so much editting, that we only see 1/4 of it.

[rob07002]

AHHHH! That sucked! I'm pissed to see team Charger gone.

You guys should be very proud of your accomplishments, your class, the way you carried yourselves and the way you represented NYC and the East!

I'll be honest here, I wish Team Olds let you run again (I'm alittle upset at you guys) but I understand it's a competition and you wanted payback for being paired with the Lotus last week.

I am in the Olds corner to go all the way now.

What a figgin episode! I really thought Charger may pull it off. I actually thought for a second that team Alsop would give you the time bonus to keep you in. I mean they were in first going into the second drive, why did they need the bonus anyway. Again, I know, it's competition but really! Greedy sob!

Beer is on me if you guys want to meet up for happy hour in the city one night... Turtle Bay or Sutton place are good very viewing pleasure!!!

[muthstryker]

Rob07 i thought the same thing, thought that they would give the charger the time bonus since they were playin games with the brothers

[mdprovee]

I guess we all thought the same about the time bonus. I have wanted the Charger or Olds to win from the beginning. Sorry to see the Charger gone, I REALLY liked that car.

However, I don't think Olds should have let the charger run again. As they said on the show sheet happens. You only get one try, they didnt let anyone else have a do over for any reason during the other challenges.

I thought I liked the Trans Am group, but after last night, I like them less than the Ford crew.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

I was really disappointed that Team Charger is now gone. But stuff happens.

[streetrod77]

I begain not to like the Trans Am team also. I really wanted to see what that Charger would do parking garage. I think they would have killed it. What was making it cut off anyway?

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Ok here is the low down. I have pretty much kept quiet in spite of the unwarranted negativity and hatred thrown at us from the other teams, but last night really got my goat.....so here is some dirt:

So the true colors are shown!!!

From the start we ran a clean rally and did not talk crap about anyone, yet they all hated us and we suspect they still do. Why? We still dont know, but episode 9..........

What they didnt show is that we actually gave the Charger team 2 times to do the challenge!!!! They stumbled on the start and the producers asked if we could give them another try, so we said ok, they ran it and as you saw bogged again, and thats when the whole peanut gallery came and asked us to give them a third shot!!!!!!!! Can you believe the audacity of these people, from day one they were all insulting us behind our backs and we give them two opportunities to do a challenge over and they still insult us in the end. Talk about being a sore loser. F those a-holes all of them! Not to mention at the wall challenge Mike pleaded with us not to throw him into a challenge that could damage his car and in return he promised he would not d!ck us over as well....we agreed and upheld our promise only to be back stabbed once again by that pant sh!tting Jim (my brother should have kicked his little girly a$$), when he threw us as a sacraficial lamb to the Lotus knowing full well that we had no brakes almost from day one of the rally!!! To compound matters (this part is not their fault) our powersteering ran dry during the challenge and so we had no brakes, the steering of an 18 wheeler, and the linkage on the shifter went south. So the only way you knew you were in the rgiht gear or any gear for that matter was by the RPMs, there was no tactile indication at the shifter and no visual indication at the shifter since we did not have the console installed; the shifter lever slid all over the place, it was a struggle.

How dare those rat b@stards in the Ford team say all that matters is how they feel when they put their heads on their pillows at night......I wonder how they felt when they ratted out two teams and then got the parts to fix their truck from production. When that went down my brother and I were on their side, we felt that the challenge was ill conceived and should not be so dangerous as to risk destruction of the cars or potentially kill someone. Their so called freinds, Team 9, was against them being able to do repairs.........nuff said.

Alsops, two out right liars, they should feel ashamed, its one thing to be quick on your toes its another to lie. Alsop manipulated all these guys from day one and they are still lining up to blow him even now.....pathetic. Texas team actually said to me that the things look the way they do because of the editing......yeah right, yes there is tons of editing, but they are not putting words in our mouths and they cant make us look like we did things that we didnt.

I calls it likes I sees it.

Go Team Olds!!!!

[Bigblue73]

I thought for sure that the Alsops where going to give up the time bonus to the Charger. Think of the words that would have been said if that had happened. Golberg would have had a good old wrestling match on his hand.

It still looks like fun!

[TheMonkey]

... but i will say that mikes car looks the best going down the road.

without question. almost turns a GM guy into a Mopar guy. almost.

[TA219]

I wondered about the steering issue, it wasnt mentioned in the episode but the title was "No brakes... no steering... no problem"

It is getting cut throat and the alsops have been playing dirty for a while but i guess that is just a part of it... i couldnt say that i blame team olds for not giving them a 2nd or 3rd shot, i mean the 1st half of the series was cars getting knocked out b/c of failures, by F-150s standards they should have been helping team Lambo replace a clutch or rebuilding a motor in the middle of the night for team Mustang, etc... so it would be "competitive"

[redhead]

great explaination rich. I hope mr.angry chimes in his parting shots
but I think we all know what to expect there.
I have to admit that I was also rooting for the mopar boys from the
beginning but after that last two episodes my respect for them has
bottomed out. they were nuts to expect another chance at the
challenge after they threw the first punch.
come on, if the tables were turned would mr.angry have given the
olds another run?
then team charger have the nerve to talk about karma for the olds.
team charger put themselves
it that position and have no one else to blame. in fact if blame was
to be placed it would fall on the pontiac for meliciously grapping the
only time bonus when they were already in first place.
so the liars and back stabbers are all in the open now but team olds
can hold their heads up high regardless of the outcome.

[rob07002]

Well I guess that answers the question of if the hatchet is burried. LOL!

I did have a good chuckle when the team F-150 dude said it matters that he can lay his head down at night. I wonder if he thought about when he ratted team Lotus out to Goldberg about speeding. Pretty hypocritical to me.

Of course we didn't know about the second run, so I applaud team Olds for giving them a second chance.

Poppa Alsop is definately a shrewd sob. He should run for NJ Senate or something.

[dropit69]

well i wished they would have said you let them have chances at redoing the challenge..the editing in my opinion made you guys look like asses..at least we have the forum here to hear the truth of what happened..i love both the olds team and charger team ..both bad ass rides in my eyes..

[Rich Team11 H/O]

well i wished they would have said you let them have chances at redoing the challenge..the editing in my opinion made you guys look like asses..at least we have the forum here to hear the truth of what happened..i love both the olds team and charger team ..both bad ass rides in my eyes..

Well I dont know about that, remember even if we had not given them multiple tries at doing that challenge we would still owe them for trying to get us eliminated by the Lotus in spite of the gentlemans agreement we had made to watch each other's back.....we had no idea they were plotting with the TA and the Ford to knock us out.

[Bookm]

Of course I've had a lot more time to think about this, but if I was Team Olds and the entire entourage came up to me with that offer...
1) I would immediately know that they were ALL against me.
2) I would agree to their plea IF they ALL ran the course twice, and posted their slowest time of the 2, while I get two runs and post my HIGHEST time. NOW lets see how much they want to help team Charger, hehe. Now I would have the chance to take the lead cars time heading in to the next leg.

But Naw, it went down as it should. I would have had to come down there and kick Team Old's azz's if they had bought in to that nonsence. Don't get me wrong, I was really pulling for team Charger, but you guys HAD to take advantage of the situation. The heat you took from "Florida" the previous week just made it that much easier to make the correct decision. I always tell my kids not to talk "smack" cuz' it's VERY likely to bite you in the azz one day.

I found it interesting that, though Trans-Am lied about the bonus, it actually ended up being the truth because there really WAS just one time bonus, LOL. I know Alsops is taking some heat for being "manipulative" but boy he's smart. He knows that valuable time is gained by fast cornering, hard braking, and quick accelaration. His car is clearly built for this type of driving, and his daughter is starting to recognize why you need to "drive the car" (in other words, "GET ON IT GIRL!!"). He knows that after this show, he's going back to his friends and family (perhaps much richer), so "tricking" other apponents is fair-game at this point in the competition. If he loses, I hope it's not because of ANOTHER police stop. That car is a total cop-magnet. F150 just cruises under the radar, LOL.

I'll be fine with any of the final three to win. Preference to Team Olds but Aslop is gonna be tough ;)

[rob07002]

You know, none of this really matters. What matters is who hooked up with the flag girls? Forget the 200k!

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

I'm sorry. But I love the dirty tricks going on here at the end. I watch the Amazing Race. Same thing happens there also in the end. This is a COMPETITION. You do what ever it takes to win. I could sleep well with 200k in the bank after this race if I threw a few curves out there. AS a poncho guy I'm pulling for the Alsops. But would not be dissappointed if Team Olds won. Afterall it is a GM and a really nice old Olds.

[6'9"Witha69]

I want to say that gentleman racing would have given the Charger another shot, rivalries and attitudes aside, but giving the clearly better car another shot would be suicide. I really wanted team Charger to win. I thought the mileage would screw them, too bad they had to go out on a car failure.

[Martin71RS]

I can't wait to see the final episode!! Team Olds deserved their final IMO.... a lot of teams had mechanical troubles...and no-one got a 2nd chance...they gave team Charger one and I applaude them for it.
I hope to see you in first place next week!!

Still I would have liked to see the Charger do the garage climb properly though.....

You just can't expect people to be honest when there is a lot of money at stake.

Martin

[D Rock]

I've been pulling for the olds and the TA from the start, now i'm pulling for the olds all the way. I think all in all from what we have seen you guys have played it clean and are still there, you deserve to win. Team F-150 should have been knocked out a long time ago, what is up with a truck in a rally against high performance cars.

Best of luck team olds!!

[jknight16]

"I don't know how to advance the timing"...

hmmm....:dunno: :hand:

Still love the car though!

[MrAngry]

I erased this...

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Beat us by 2 seconds, being that we had no brakes, that’s not beating us. We have a lighter car, more horsepower, real race tires, and a more advanced suspension, with both our cars running at 100% its no contest, we both know that. I gave your car tons of props, we love your car, everyone does, but c'mon, lets be real.

Yes 3 shots if not more.....did you forget when your car could not even make it up the ramp and it stalled out? Then one of the producers asked us off camera if you guys could restart??? Oh you did forget…….yeah thought so.

Mike I extended my hand to you and Jim after the rally and we left as friends. But I saw your video, you shot us down and gave us no credit when we did give you another chance even after back stabbing us, (did you forget our agreement at the wall challenge????) you guys insulted us and went against us after our agreement. Its not immaturity its accountability, its having integrity. This is the only thing that this demonstrates.

What people feel about me? Oh really? Tell me Mike what do people feel about me?

See up until your new video I did not blame you, thought of you as a friend, I was just a bit bitter at Jim's lack of integrity, but now I got it all put together, the no show at the local Bullrun party, only to be able to travel all the way to Indiana, and now the video that fails to tell the truth and then feel that the comported ourselves was uncalled for!!! Are you kidding me??? You, the TA team, and the Ford team, would have sent us packing and chopped up into pieces in a body bag if you could......even if we had not given you guys other restarts (that you are denying) at the challenge our actions are more than justified in light of the previous episode’s events. You know it, as does anyone else who saw what happened. I am unhappy with the deceit that my fellow NYer (and neighbor mind you) had towards us, and the fact that you reneged on our agreement and now the video just makes it all the worse...not good man, not good. Well what’s done is done.

My feelings are mine alone, my brother has nothing to do with this. I call it as I see it.

[Damn True]

only to be back stabbed once again by that pant sh!tting Jim (my brother should have kicked his little girly a$$),




Sorry to see it turn out this way.

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

As just a casual viewer of the show here's my .02 on the challenge. With the charger out Team Olds had to beat just the F-150. With no brakes they pushed it just enough to win. If the Charger only ran 2 seconds faster after fixing their car. I doubt that would have stood up to the Olds with proper brakes. But, like I said, I'm just a casual viewer of the show. Can't wait till the final next week.

[GT500KR_Vert]

Can you GIRLS stop fighting and just let us enjoy the show! Sorry you're out Mr. Angry, but you lost! It's a great car, but it let you down. I think the Olds guys have been given a hard time from the begining. I'm glad you guys made it through! I think the F150 guys are a-holes and want them gone! Team TA is just playing the game. Btw: if he was my dad I would have pulled him out of the car already and kicked his ass for being so completely f'ing annoying! I hate guys like that.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

My word to both of you guys is that given the very competitive nature of Bullrun, both of you should have seen this coming! This competition did not create weaknesses in your relationships; it merely revealed them for all the world to see. I think that you guys had better be more careful with whom you share drinks. Merely my two cents.

[staged67gspwr]

I hate the Alsops and the Ford dudes.:machine:

[bar1]

I happen to know the truth as I know the truth. The no# 11 team did not give #01 team any slack nor did they have anything to do with the chances they were given so(BS). The #01 did do a run just to see what if and did it in 48 seconds.(didnt count never shown) The # 11 car recieved help from several teams including the #01, #10, #09, #03. The #09 team did mislead on the time bonus. The #04 team had an alliance with the #01 team. Team #10 clutch was ok. (wanted out) Team # 08 did and does dislike the #04 team.
Thanks,
BAR

[Rich Team11 H/O]

I happen to know the truth as I know the truth. The no# 11 team did not give #01 team any slack nor did they have anything to do with the chances they were given so(BS). The #01 did do a run just to see what if and did it in 48 seconds.(didnt count never shown) The # 11 car recieved help from several teams including the #01, #10, #09, #03. The #09 team did mislead on the time bonus. The #04 team had an alliance with the #01 team. Team #10 clutch was ok. (wanted out) Team # 08 did and does dislike the #04 team.
Thanks,
BAR

Care to identify who you are, you know who I am so be a man (or woman) and reveal yourself? You are insulting my integrity so be a man and say who you are.

Team Charger DID run more than once, 3 times total (two of which were attempts at timed runs, and one which was for sh!ts and giggles). The Spike TV executive producer, head of the whole shebang, asked my brother and I if it was alright for them to run again after they stumbled immediatly upon leaving the box, they did not even make it up the entrance ramp....hence my brother's fasicious comments about how a Gremlin, Yugo, and Pinto made it up the ramp. Since the discussion happend between us and us alone you, whoever you are, would not know anything about this even if you were in production or Andy Duncan himself; since the executive is not micced (sp?), and so you are just spreading BS.

Bar1 cute...if this is Matt, you do know plenty, but not everything, and you are dead wrong about this. Whether our decision to allow the Charger to run a second time or not had any bareance I cannot know, the truth remains that we were asked if it was okay and we said yes, we could have opposed it and then they would have to deal with that and or compensate us in some way shape or form, since having a car last and run was in integral part of the whole competition. We did not have any say in the discounted run. Review the raw tapes and ye shall see.

[bar1]

Only can say this team #11 should be thankful for their longevity obviously they know I know by the reply that should validate the credibility. Doesnt matter who I am just please everyone enjoy the show. It is odd how people spin things so they can justify to themselves what happened. I think and know as their were 3 POV cameras in the car no less than 10 other cameras assigned to specific people and ALL TEAMS WERE attached with voice recorders the entire time. The conversation was on digital voice and it was a far cry from the information presented here that is the truth. In all all the teams were great people. ITS ONLY A GAME enjoy the last episode and good luck.

[vanzuuk1]

This belongs on judge Judys show, she will straighten it out.

Since you guys are local,take it to the track and settle it. Meet at the nassau autocross or head to atco and line up.

Have a "sit down" and decide the venue.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

This belongs on judge Judys show, she will straighten it out.

Since you guys are local,take it to the track and settle it. Meet at the nassau autocross or head to atco and line up.

Have a "sit down" and decide the venue.

I can just see Judge Judy trying to sort out this one....

[StRacerDuke]

This is starting to sound like two teenage boys in a pissing match. Mod's I'm thinking you may want to step in here...

[MarkM66]

Bar1, without an identity, you have no credibility.

I like both team olds and team charger. But no way would I of let team charger run again. It's a competition! For a lot of money! Dog eat f'n dog. And I don't believe in Karma, I know to many rich azzholes to believe in it.

I don't see this as a pissing match, it's just accounts of what really happened. Let it ride... it's good stuff!

[rob07002]

This is starting to sound like two teenage boys in a pissing match. Mod's I'm thinking you may want to step in here...

Ah, just sounds like an old wound being re-opened by the airing of the episode.

I applaud both teams for making it as far as they did. Keep in mind gentlemen luck has alot to do with it and it went bad for Team Charger.

BTW, the casting vids are hilarious!

[Bill Howell]

This is starting to sound like two teenage boys in a pissing match. Mod's I'm thinking you may want to step in here...

Rest assured, we are watching!
It is however hard to take a ghost writer serious. If bar1 has much to say, he (she) should let us know who they are and their association with the event. Otherwise, we will just consider them internet warriors.

[bar1]

Rest assured, we are watching!
It is however hard to take a ghost writer serious. If bar1 has much to say, he (she) should let us know who they are and their association with the event. Otherwise, we will just consider them internet warriors.
How is every one My name is Mike Alsop had to come in here quietly so Rich wouldnt go crazy! Anyway you can see my posts and his replies on his my space page about this subject. I had a fantastic time on the rally gameshow with my daughter. Come on Rich laugh a little you thought this was Matt Laviano.........hahahahaahh

Now that was funny!
Mike Musto props and Rich you in the final three what do you have to be ashamed of. You made the right choice its all good.

I want you to know I am still laughing about that last show and remember I did tell you I tried to break it off in ya so you know no surprises there. I try to kick your ass in this last show as well I told you anything goes. Lets have some fun with the last episode.
Oh yeah $100.00 baby and get the venue set up so I can come and let my daughter kick you and your brothers ass. HMMMM maybe for pinks or soome cash... Hope this finds everyone well

GO TEAM TRANS AM # 09

Mike Alsop
Calm down Bullrun is a whole lot of fun to watch!
catch Morgan and I on the real bullrun with the T/A from Montreal to Key West. We will be running with our friends Team Hadji (Karan Singh, Kiran Pinisetti) and Team Freak energy drinks(Cabe Sipes<pimp myride> and his partner Marc from <MADE Mobsters of Modification>. We are TEAM BMR FABRICATORS. Thanks to them and Texas SPEED and Valvoline we had the chance to roll.

Rich head to bentown Saturday Night and party with us Bro or yeah bring your little brother with you!

[bar1]

NOW YOU KNOW

hahaha

Mike

[Bill Howell]

NOW YOU KNOW

hahaha

Mike

Thanks for clearing it up for us Mike. Welcome to protouring and I am glad if I was able to draw you out.....hehe

I know emotions have to run high when the stakes are $200K, however I bet the event was a blast in real life taking away all the "made for TV drama".

I must admit I was pulling for the charger, but am looking forward to the outcome anyway.

[bar1]

Thanks for clearing it up for us Mike. Welcome to protouring and I am glad if I was able to draw you out.....hehe

I know emotions have to run high when the stakes are $200K, however I bet the event was a blast in real life taking away all the "made for TV drama".

I must admit I was pulling for the charger, but am looking forward to the outcome anyway.
Thats cool ! Everyone needs someone to route for hey you can join team Trans Am. Just a few more evenings and the truth will be shown....

Mike

[bar1]

Thanks for clearing it up for us Mike. Welcome to protouring and I am glad if I was able to draw you out.....hehe

I know emotions have to run high when the stakes are $200K, however I bet the event was a blast in real life taking away all the "made for TV drama".

I must admit I was pulling for the charger, but am looking forward to the outcome anyway.
If you have a GTO the BMR stuff I used in the show and this week in the real Bullrun rally works! great quality! My friend just put it on his and made a world of difference. I also am going to build a motor with some folks that have a 32 valve head in any bore size you want. I am jacked about that ordered an LSx block to mod. We will keep you informed.

[rob07002]

This is better then the show.

[bar1]

This is better then the show



YOU WANT SOME?

LOL

Mike

If you can get past my daughter then maybe ill get off the porch.
Today is a good day to die. That was stupid

Mike

[bar1]

Wait until Rich finds out it was me... he is going to ****...lol

Mike

[TheMonkey]

has anyone else come up with a pretty good idea about who wins this by reading posts? just yes/no... don't want to spoil anything.

Mike- you're a lucky guy to have been able to do something like this with your daughter.

[6'9"Witha69]

Mike- you're a lucky guy to have been able to do something like this with your daughter.Luckier yet they didn't kill each other. What was the quote from last episode? "talk to me like that again and that is when bitch turns on" or something like that. At least they weren't as bad as the lotus duo. I actually hope my 2 girls end up being into cars like that when they are older.

[Steve1968LS2]

Fun show.. I was routing for the Charger.

They lost but wern't beaten.. So long at the F150 doesn't win.. I'm pulling for team Trans Am at this point.

Hey, us LSx'ers have to stick together. ;)

[rob07002]

YOU WANT SOME?

LOL

Mike

If you can get past my daughter then maybe ill get off the porch.
Today is a good day to die. That was stupid

Mike

Bring it! :enguard:

I have a sneaky suspiscion Team TA won it all.

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

Mike - Thanks for stopping in. I love watching you and Morgan go at it. I keep expecting her to pull over and throw you out. As a Poncho guy I've been pulling for you two. This has been a fun show to watch. Can't wait till next week's finale.

[GT500KR_Vert]

Bring it! :enguard:

I have a sneaky suspiscion Team TA won it all.


It sure seems that way with Rich being pissed and scorned.

I'd be happy with that as long as Team F'em 150 doesn't win!

[Bill Howell]

If you have a GTO the BMR stuff I used in the show and this week in the real Bullrun rally works! great quality! My friend just put it on his and made a world of difference. I also am going to build a motor with some folks that have a 32 valve head in any bore size you want. I am jacked about that ordered an LSx block to mod. We will keep you informed.

I do have a old goat, but BMR didn't make stuff for it yet. I do however have some BMR parts on my malibu. It's not a new car either, but it does work pretty good. I have moved on to Mopars right now, hopefully I will have a good car one day.....:6gears:

[Damn True]

Fun show.. I was routing for the Charger.

They lost but wern't beaten.. So long at the F150 doesn't win.. I'm pulling for team Trans Am at this point.

Hey, us LSx'ers have to stick together. ;)

Agree on the "lost but not beaten" thing. I got no problem with the F-150 guys. Certainly not the coolest vehicle in the race, but they are playing the game to win and doing well.

Someone above asked for predictions. Here's mine:

a) I would think that the recent receipt of of $200k would soften any bitterness, so I don't think Andre Dice-Clay and his bro in the Olds won.

Which leaves the T/A and the F-150.

Both of the F-150 guys are going on the real Bullun. One with Mike in the Charger (I would love to be on that road-trip!) and the other with Morgan. Which suggests to me that they might have $100k each in their pockets and aren't worried about a week off of work. Mike Alsop is skipping the Bullrun to work.

So my guess is that the F-150 boys win, with the T/A in second and the Olds in third.




So Mike, (Mr. Angry) what was it that caused the Charger to stall? Carb? Ignition? Was it altitude/jetting related?

[Steve1968LS2]

Agree on the "lost but not beaten" thing. I got no problem with the F-150 guys. Certainly not the coolest vehicle in the race, but they are playing the game to win and doing well.

Someone above asked for predictions. Here's mine:

a) I would think that the recent receipt of of $200k would soften any bitterness, so I don't think Andre Dice-Clay and his bro in the Olds won.

Which leaves the T/A and the F-150.

Both of the F-150 guys are going on the real Bullun. One with Mike in the Charger (I would love to be on that road-trip!) and the other with Morgan. Which suggests to me that they might have $100k each in their pockets and aren't worried about a week off of work. Mike Alsop is skipping the Bullrun to work.

So my guess is that the F-150 boys win, with the T/A in second and the Olds in third.

The olds guys seemed "bitter" about the Charger and insulting of the car, but in truth it was a better car in every concievable way that I saw. The only think the Olds did better was not to stall in the parking garage.

They also complain a LOT about being put against the Lotus.. Hey, someone had to be put against the Lotus and it's not Team Chargers fault that the Lotus was also a better car than the olds in that competition.

[SPECWARSQUID]

Please forgive my ignorance in advance, but I had a couple of Bullrun questions and this seems to be the place to ask.

1. With gas being an issue for some and not for others. Did the teams pay for their gas out of pocket or did Spike pay?

A fella could go broke goosing a Charger or a Cutlass over 4000 miles with today's gas prices.

2. Spike make the teams sign contracts restricting information on who got eliminated and obiviously who won before the episodes aired? If so, were/ are their penalties?

Yeah I know,dumb questions but I was curious.

My suggestion for next season. Bullrun needs more "Flags" :jump: and of course the girls to hold them.:naughty:

Shay
____________
Semper Fortis

68 GTO
66 GTO
67 Corvair Monza

[bar1]

I do have a old goat, but BMR didn't make stuff for it yet. I do however have some BMR parts on my malibu. It's not a new car either, but it does work pretty good. I have moved on to Mopars right now, hopefully I will have a good car one day.....:6gears:Cool I was into Mopars all my life still am. Mr Angry and I worked on the charger several times before this episode. When we pushed the car down the parking garage we found the front float stuck on his Holley Carburator and I couldnt get it fixed !so it was a double pumper I turned up his idle to 2000 rpm and then let the rpms build so the rear two barrels would overcome the fronts lack of fuel. It did and he fifnished i like 44 or 48 seconds. I wished I could have run the T/A it would have smoked that course with the traction control on could have pushed the crap outta it. we will never know..lol

Some other questions they wanted answered was they gave us 2000.00 to put fuel and anything else we needed. Fuel wasent anywhere what it is now it was in the 2.00 range More flags and flag girls would have been awesome..

Mike

[bar1]

Rich is just a little hot headed I am sure he isnt bitter as I have talked to him many times....Andre his brother and I do have a score to settle however...... REMEMBER BOYS


PICK THE VENUE I will drive to NY and set the record straight....oh yeah bring the most pwerful OLDSMOBILE in the world with you.... hahah seriously I will come out you and Mike can show me the ropes their in NYC.

Mike

[bar1]

Fastest car in the race? TEAM TRANS AM ! The LS1 is awesome.... The f-body is a great all around platform. This ought to get Rich and Andre going

Mike

[bingham72]

Mike,
Thanks for chiming in. This is post is definately a nice addition to the show. I liked all the muscle cars on the show and definately thought it was cool that you did the show with your daughter AND let her drive the whole time.
Where is the "Real Bull Run"?
I cannot wait for the final episode. When does the next season come out?

[Damn True]

Montreal to Key West. This coming weekend I think.

I doubt we will hear from Mr. Angry for a while I think he was leaving NYC for Montreal today.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Mike.......I dont know if I should laugh or take out a hit out on you!

Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable.

If you look at the garage challenge again look how much body roll there is when Mike makes the sharp turns, look how much less there is with the Olds, I am not making this up anyone can see that.

The challenge vs. the Lotus, we had no brakes, messed up shift linkage, and no power steering, otherwise we would have smoked him IMHO (of course this is debatable and only a re-test can decide this).

Fastest cars in the rally: Lambo and or the Olds. simply due to raw HP. We got to test the Olds handling against the Lambo, he could not shake us....it was scary and awesome at the same time sicne we were a foot away from a gaurd rail and sheer drop.

The favorite car universally was of course the Charger, even team Lambo wanted one.

Well my brother and Mike met up and shook hands last night, Mike's car looks awesome and he and Alabama Rich will be running the rally. I wish them the berst of luck regardless of how I feel about this weeks episode and what was said.

Oh and Mike A. for the record, they did ask us if he could run again off camera and we as we all now know said yes.

Cheers

[bar1]

Mike.......I dont know if I should laugh or take out a hit out on you!

Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable.

If you look at the garage challenge again look how much body roll there is when Mike makes the sharp turns, look how much less there is with the Olds, I am not making this up anyone can see that.

The challenge vs. the Lotus, we had no brakes, messed up shift linkage, and no power steering, otherwise we would have smoked him IMHO (of course this is debatable and only a re-test can decide this).

Fastest cars in the rally: Lambo and or the Olds. simply due to raw HP. We got to test the Olds handling against the Lambo, he could not shake us....it was scary and awesome at the same time sicne we were a foot away from a gaurd rail and sheer drop.

The favorite car universally was of course the Charger, even team Lambo wanted one.

Well my brother and Mike met up and shook hands last night, Mike's car looks awesome and he and Alabama Rich will be running the rally. I wish them the berst of luck regardless of how I feel about this weeks episode and what was said.

Oh and Mike A. for the record, they did ask us if he could run again off camera and we as we all now know said yes.

CheersDude nothing but love for you its funny stuff I thought youd be revved up..lol hope all is well. I am going to buy you different underwear the ones you been using are too tight..lol

Mike
Hey are you going to Bean town to the first party Saturday evening?

[73novaguy]

Well I have been a long time watcher of both the show and this thread. Tivo it and saved all of the episodes! I was gunning for the Charger and Olds from the beginning, and now with the Charger out, its all up to team Olds to bring home the gold.

For the most part, us here in TV land are numb as to the real stories that happened. TV shows what they want for the ratings they want. So I applaud all of the teams for even being a part of this show and for having fun with it. Youve revved me up to get going on my projects just by watching the show. In the end it is all just a experience in life and the best way to approach it is with a smile. Congrats to all of the teams!

GO TEAM OLDS AND TRANS AM!!! Smoke that F-150!!!

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Dude nothing but love for you its funny stuff I thought youd be revved up..lol hope all is well. I am going to buy you different underwear the ones you been using are too tight..lol

Mike
Hey are you going to Bean town to the first party Saturday evening?

Yeah these underwear are tight, hard to fit into stuff when your balls are this big :naughty:

:camaro:

[zbugger]

Yeah these underwear are tight, hard to fit into stuff when your balls are this big :naughty:

:camaro:

Where's Mike's daughter to prove this comment to be true?:box2:lol...

[FoxGranadaChuck]

How is every one My name is Mike Alsop had to come in here quietly so Rich wouldnt go crazy! Anyway you can see my posts and his replies on his my space page about this subject. I had a fantastic time on the rally gameshow with my daughter. Come on Rich laugh a little you thought this was Matt Laviano.........hahahahaahh

Now that was funny!
Mike Musto props and Rich you in the final three what do you have to be ashamed of. You made the right choice its all good.

I want you to know I am still laughing about that last show and remember I did tell you I tried to break it off in ya so you know no surprises there. I try to kick your ass in this last show as well I told you anything goes. Lets have some fun with the last episode.
Oh yeah $100.00 baby and get the venue set up so I can come and let my daughter kick you and your brothers ass. HMMMM maybe for pinks or soome cash... Hope this finds everyone well

GO TEAM TRANS AM # 09

Mike Alsop
Calm down Bullrun is a whole lot of fun to watch!
catch Morgan and I on the real bullrun with the T/A from Montreal to Key West. We will be running with our friends Team Hadji (Karan Singh, Kiran Pinisetti) and Team Freak energy drinks(Cabe Sipes<pimp myride> and his partner Marc from <MADE Mobsters of Modification>. We are TEAM BMR FABRICATORS. Thanks to them and Texas SPEED and Valvoline we had the chance to roll.

Rich head to bentown Saturday Night and party with us Bro or yeah bring your little brother with you!

Wishing you and Morgan the very best in both the last episode of this run of Bullrun and the trek from Montreal to Miami.....

[FoxGranadaChuck]

NOW YOU KNOW

hahaha

Mike

Indeed, we do.....

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Thanks for clearing it up for us Mike. Welcome to protouring and I am glad if I was able to draw you out.....hehe

I know emotions have to run high when the stakes are $200K, however I bet the event was a blast in real life taking away all the "made for TV drama".

I must admit I was pulling for the charger, but am looking forward to the outcome anyway.


.....as am I.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

This is better then the show.

I heartily concur!!!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Luckier yet they didn't kill each other. What was the quote from last episode? "talk to me like that again and that is when bitch turns on" or something like that. At least they weren't as bad as the lotus duo. I actually hope my 2 girls end up being into cars like that when they are older.

I bet Morgan is an absolute basketcase in this last coming episode!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

The olds guys seemed "bitter" about the Charger and insulting of the car, but in truth it was a better car in every concievable way that I saw. The only think the Olds did better was not to stall in the parking garage.

They also complain a LOT about being put against the Lotus.. Hey, someone had to be put against the Lotus and it's not Team Chargers fault that the Lotus was also a better car than the olds in that competition.

I concur! Remember, when the Charger had to go up against the Lotus, the Charger won handily!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Cool I was into Mopars all my life still am. Mr Angry and I worked on the charger several times before this episode. When we pushed the car down the parking garage we found the front float stuck on his Holley Carburator and I couldnt get it fixed !so it was a double pumper I turned up his idle to 2000 rpm and then let the rpms build so the rear two barrels would overcome the fronts lack of fuel. It did and he fifnished i like 44 or 48 seconds. I wished I could have run the T/A it would have smoked that course with the traction control on could have pushed the crap outta it. we will never know..lol

Some other questions they wanted answered was they gave us 2000.00 to put fuel and anything else we needed. Fuel wasent anywhere what it is now it was in the 2.00 range More flags and flag girls would have been awesome..

Mike

Bummer concerning Team Charger's carburetor troubles!!!

:crying: :crying: :crying:

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Montreal to Key West. This coming weekend I think.

I doubt we will hear from Mr. Angry for a while I think he was leaving NYC for Montreal today.

I am looking forward to viewing the rally from Montreal to Miami!!!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Does anyone know when the Montreal to Miami rally will be shot or televised?! Merely curious.....

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Montreal to Key West will have video updates online and footage will probably be available on DVD later this summer.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Montreal to Key West will have video updates online and footage will probably be available on DVD later this summer.

Thanks Rich!!!

[6'9"Witha69]

Montreal to Key West will have video updates online and footage will probably be available on DVD later this summer.Where will we be able to see these online updates?

[moparguy]

"Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable."

What do you have in that Hurst a stroked 455? I would be curious to hear what kind of combo you have as that Hurst really sounded strong during the show.

Do you have Baer or Wilwood brakes on it? Was is the weight of a Hurst Olds of that year?

I really like your wheel and tire combo on that Olds and I am digging the hood on it also. I hope you guys beat team F150!

As for the Alsops I am kinda undecided because on one hand I really like TA's but on the other hand you have her father trying to manipulate everyone to his or their advantage......I dont think his daughter agrees with everything he does though. I guess its a competition in the end

Good luck!

[dipren443]

"Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable."

What do you have in that Hurst a stroked 455? I would be curious to hear what kind of combo you have as that Hurst really sounded strong during the show.

Do you have Baer or Wilwood brakes on it? Was is the weight of a Hurst Olds of that year?

I really like your wheel and tire combo on that Olds and I am digging the hood on it also. I hope you guys beat team F150!

As for the Alsops I am kinda undecided because on one hand I really like TA's but on the other hand you have her father trying to manipulate everyone to his or their advantage......I dont think his daughter agrees with everything he does though. I guess its a competition in the end

Good luck!

Another question for Rich. I looked through your car's profile on the SpikeTV website and you said nothing about what your suspension is. Being that there really aren't too many years between you and the Charger, what is this "highly advanced" setup you are running that is so superior??? Three link or IRS in the rear??? What have you done to the front end??? Anything to the suspension geometry???

Thanks,
Nick

[moparguy]

Mike.......I dont know if I should laugh or take out a hit out on you!

Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable.

If you look at the garage challenge again look how much body roll there is when Mike makes the sharp turns, look how much less there is with the Olds, I am not making this up anyone can see that.

The challenge vs. the Lotus, we had no brakes, messed up shift linkage, and no power steering, otherwise we would have smoked him IMHO (of course this is debatable and only a re-test can decide this).

Fastest cars in the rally: Lambo and or the Olds. simply due to raw HP. We got to test the Olds handling against the Lambo, he could not shake us....it was scary and awesome at the same time sicne we were a foot away from a gaurd rail and sheer drop.

The favorite car universally was of course the Charger, even team Lambo wanted one.

Well my brother and Mike met up and shook hands last night, Mike's car looks awesome and he and Alabama Rich will be running the rally. I wish them the berst of luck regardless of how I feel about this weeks episode and what was said.

Oh and Mike A. for the record, they did ask us if he could run again off camera and we as we all now know said yes.

Cheers


What do you have in that Hurst a stroked 455? I would be curious to hear what kind of combo you have as that Hurst really sounded strong during the show.

Do you have Baer or Wilwood brakes on it? Was is the weight of a Hurst Olds of that year?

I really like your wheel and tire combo on that Olds and I am digging the hood on it also. I hope you guys beat team F150!

As for the Alsops I am kinda undecided because on one hand I really like TA's but on the other hand you have her father trying to manipulate everyone to his or their advantage......I dont think his daughter agrees with everything he does though. I guess its a competition in the end

Good luck!

[Damn True]

Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable.



Mike was 3/1 in the challenges right?

In the one he lost he had a mechanical failure. You had mechanical problems as well that hurt you in a few challenges right? So it seems that the "superior vehicle" assertion is as yet undetermined.

If one is to be the best, one must beat the best right? To that end I hope that panty-waste Roger Clemens pitches to Bonds when the Giants and Yankees play this summer. He's pitched around him every time in the past. But I digress......

Here's an idea:
http://www.nyr-scca.com/soloSchedule.htm

SCCA Solo auto-x at Hempstead

Please put the results on youtube

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Moparguy, chime into my brother he has all the exact numbers.

But yes its a bored out 455 with head work compression was close to 11:1 McBetts racing built and dynoed it. Produced 550hp (548 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. During the rally we also had a 150 NOS shot.

Weight for those car were from 3500-3900lbs ours we figure in at about 3600-3700lbs.

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.

Thanks!!

[bar1]

hey Rich!

[TheMonkey]

... Produced 550hp (448 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. ...

umm... what's that mean? that's a big spread.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

umm... what's that mean? that's a big spread.

Typo...550 (548)

RC

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Moparguy, chime into my brother he has all the exact numbers.

But yes its a bored out 455 with head work compression was close to 11:1 McBetts racing built and dynoed it. Produced 550hp (548 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. During the rally we also had a 150 NOS shot.

Weight for those car were from 3500-3900lbs ours we figure in at about 3600-3700lbs.

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.

Thanks!!


Did you do anything to the block to make it more rigid?! Oldsmobiles are not exactly well-known for having bullet-proof blocks.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Another question for Rich. I looked through your car's profile on the SpikeTV website and you said nothing about what your suspension is. Being that there really aren't too many years between you and the Charger, what is this "highly advanced" setup you are running that is so superior??? Three link or IRS in the rear??? What have you done to the front end??? Anything to the suspension geometry???

Thanks,
Nick

Not highly advanced, just more so than torsion bars and leaf springs.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Where will we be able to see these online updates?

There should be a link on the Bullrun site and on their myspace page.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Did you do anything to the block to make it more rigid?! Oldsmobiles are not exactly well-known for having bullet-proof blocks.

Again these real detailed questions can only be answered by my bro, I help out, but they are his cars and he is the one that has done the majority of the work and along with his engine builders have made all the decisions. But I am nearly 100% positive that it has all forged internals, and bottom end girdle. This engine was nicely built but its not all out, the one he is building now with Bill Trovato for the other car....well thats another story.

[toxicz28]

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.
Stock disc/drum, right??? I recall hearing you say you blew the brake cylinders.

[SPECWARSQUID]

But yes its a bored out 455

"455"?

I believe you, but I could swear on Spike they listed your car as having a "425".

Which I kinda thought was cool because I had '69 Cutlass "S" that had a 10:1 "425" Rocket, out of a '67 Toronado, with "C" heads. Best running engine I've ever had to date. If I'm not mistaken the "425" was the only engine OLDS put a forged crank in (could be wrong). Sweet motor :headbang: . 455 is no slouch either.

Man I miss that car......sold it to a Baptist minister from Toledo....go figure. :confused:

I'm just glad all you American muscle guys stayed in long enough to slap all the Imports and Exotics pee pees :worship: .

Shay
______________
Semper Fortis

68 GTO
66 GTO
67 Corvair Monza

[Rich Team11 H/O]

The specs floating around out there are all mixed up because they took down the info to all our cars, since my brother has so many Olds and some have 350, 425 and 455, they mixed up the numbers. The car we originally wanted to bring had a high nickle 425; agreed one of the best GM engines ever.

But the Hurst is a 455.

[moparguy]

Moparguy, chime into my brother he has all the exact numbers.

But yes its a bored out 455 with head work compression was close to 11:1 McBetts racing built and dynoed it. Produced 550hp (548 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. During the rally we also had a 150 NOS shot.

Weight for those car were from 3500-3900lbs ours we figure in at about 3600-3700lbs.

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.

Thanks!!

Sounds like its probably a pretty stout combo! :usa: I am assuming that it has some aluminum heads given that compression ratio or else you would be dumping octane boost in it like crazy.
The 455 is a torque monster before even touching it.

1968-70 Charger weight usually falls in between 3600-3900 without driver so it sounds like the two might be close in weight.

I did not know that your brother posts on here. What is his screen name?

Again, I hope you guys take the win! :thankyou: I dont want to see a truck win the whole thing...that would just seem wrong.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

compression ratio or else you would be dumping octane boost in it like crazy.



We were!!!!!!

I dont even know his SN here, but you can reach him via his myspace page.

Thanks!

[73novaguy]

The Olds is def one bad ride in my opinion. Who were all of the guys (Alsops, Team F-150, Team Charger) kidding when they started talking about laying there heads down at night. As mentioned earlier, Team F-150 sissed out and went running and tattle tailling. From what I have saw in the shows. The Olds is the only team with integrity going for them. I wasn't a fan favorite of the Trans Am, I hope they finish in the 1st loser spot. But I am a GM fan and give props to the car, but when they plain lied to team Olds, it all went sour for me. Team Olds all the way guys!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Again these real detailed questions can only be answered by my bro, I help out, but they are his cars and he is the one that has done the majority of the work and along with his engine builders have made all the decisions. But I am nearly 100% positive that it has all forged internals, and bottom end girdle. This engine was nicely built but its not all out, the one he is building now with Bill Trovato for the other car....well thats another story.

Good enough.

[Damn True]

I don't get the negativity toward the F-150 guys. If it's just that their vehicle isn't that cool I suppose I understand, but other than that is kinda beyond me. What gives?

[73novaguy]

I geuss for me it is the little things. Like when they video taped the 2 teams speeding. Now the act of them doing it isn't as important here as when they lied about it right to the other teams faces, and then changed there story kinda and lied to the other team about not doing it at all. It just seems (now this is on TV I might add) that everytime they got on there walkie talkie they are bad mouthing others teams. I guess its the little things that did it for me! But like they always say "Different strokes for different folks!"

[Damn True]

Well IMO they were perfectly justified in taping the other teams. They had time in the bag over those cars, they were doing a better job of navigating and getting better range with the fuel. The other teams broke the rules to close the gap that was built through hard work, prep and a bit of luck.

Should they have just let them break the rules and erase the advantage that they had built? If so, how many other rules should they have let other teams break to their detriment?

[73novaguy]

Yes, very true. That is why it was not so much the action they performed, but the way they lied about what they did. Man up and tell the other teams straight up what went down. IMO, the other teams would have handled the situation better if they had not been lied to.

In all reality, it is not like I am saying I wish the Ford team drives off a burning bridge and plummets to there graves. I am just saying I wished the would have handle a few things better and that I am cheering on the Olds, then the Alsops, then the Ford!

[muthstryker]

welcome to the site mike. you guys are the second team i want to win (first was kicked off boo!) oo and you should get morgan to sign up here :naughty:

[6'9"Witha69]

Well IMO they were perfectly justified in taping the other teams. They had time in the bag over those cars, they were doing a better job of navigating and getting better range with the fuel. The other teams broke the rules to close the gap that was built through hard work, prep and a bit of luck.

Should they have just let them break the rules and erase the advantage that they had built? If so, how many other rules should they have let other teams break to their detriment?Well, when the Chevy went to pass them and they ended up in what appeared to be a high speed drag race to stay ahead only 1 or 2 episodes earlier, they are hypocrites in my book. The rules state you could speed up to pass. They did. The other teams didn't just blow by and keep on truckin, just passed and sat there. THe lying is what got me the most though. Then to say that they only were trying to get the Honda in trouble, not the Lotus. Why? Because team Honda was Black? Makes me wonder how much "good ole boy" is in 'em.

[96Z28SS]

Rich is just a little hot headed I am sure he isnt bitter as I have talked to him many times....Andre his brother and I do have a score to settle however...... REMEMBER BOYS


PICK THE VENUE I will drive to NY and set the record straight....oh yeah bring the most pwerful OLDSMOBILE in the world with you.... hahah seriously I will come out you and Mike can show me the ropes their in NYC.

Mike

I'd like to know more about what this is about.

I love the show and I don't think they should change anything about the show.

I do think that Mike you shouldn't be calling anyone out cause we saw your driving skill in the challenge where you couldn't even get the cars tail to come out and break the glass and you went back for a second attemp and still missed it. LOL!

Just bustin some balls. I had a 96 Camaro SS and I know for sure I never had any problem getting the car to slid out.

[Damn True]

Well, when the Chevy went to pass them and they ended up in what appeared to be a high speed drag race to stay ahead only 1 or 2 episodes earlier, they are hypocrites in my book. The rules state you could speed up to pass. They did. The other teams didn't just blow by and keep on truckin, just passed and sat there. THe lying is what got me the most though. Then to say that they only were trying to get the Honda in trouble, not the Lotus. Why? Because team Honda was Black? Makes me wonder how much "good ole boy" is in 'em.

How exactly do you reckon that they closed a 5mile gap when the truck did not need to stop, without speeding?

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Just bustin some balls. I had a 96 Camaro SS and I know for sure I never had any problem getting the car to slid out.

How to slide or "drift" rear end of LS1 F-body:
1). Turn off ASR
2). Stomp on the gas
3). Turn wheel simultaneously

Or, even easier -- pull e-brake

LOL.

[justanova]

How to slide or "drift" rear end of LS1 F-body:
1). Turn off ASR
2). Stomp on the gas
3). Turn wheel simultaneously

Or, even easier -- pull e-brake

LOL.


if i remember right on that episode, he even said afterwords that the traction control was still on and that he shoulda turned it off

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Stock traction control on a 4th gen is useless for anything but driving in the rain, IMO. The first thing I did whenever I got in my car (as does nearly everyone I know with a 4th gen) is turn it off. If he did forget to turn it off, I can see why he couldn't get the car to slide.

[toxicz28]

Stock traction control on a 4th gen is useless for anything but driving in the rain, IMO. The first thing I did whenever I got in my car (as does nearly everyone I know with a 4th gen) is turn it off. If he did forget to turn it off, I can see why he couldn't get the car to slide.

That's why I ordered mine without it. I thought it was a useless option that they forced on everyone.

[bar1]

I'd like to know more about what this is about.

I love the show and I don't think they should change anything about the show.

I do think that Mike you shouldn't be calling anyone out cause we saw your driving skill in the challenge where you couldn't even get the cars tail to come out and break the glass and you went back for a second attemp and still missed it. LOL!

Just bustin some balls. I had a 96 Camaro SS and I know for sure I never had any problem gHey you e car to slid out.

Umm you are correct about the car sliding issue the car just hooked up. When I turned the wheel and pulled the e-brake the car didnt let go the anti-lock started pumping and whining and the car turned. The BMR suspension with the Qa1 shocks and the sticky Goodyear F-1's did what they were supposed to do. The second pass I tried to throttle thru the glass by sliding sideways under power and the traction control kicked in and there you go another turn. It was funny! I am confident in my ability to drive. Rich and Andre called me out and said that the Olds would kick the T/A's ass in a straight line drag race. I told him not possible. The charger with the bored 440 lined up against Morgan and he punched it on a roll we walked him not even close and they were worried about the Charger? What kind of ride do you have?

Mike

[bar1]

Oh yeah! Do not forget that most things you see are edited and cut and spliced pretty well. The show is what they want you to see. Their is a whole lot of crap going on to cause what you see on the episode. As far as the lies I told the brothers it was true however, They dont show the fact that the evening before I gave them some advice and promised them it was good so they took my advice and it saved them from making a big mistake going thru the mountains. Or the fact that they were getting ready to pull all of the front brakes off of the vehicle because they were loosing brake fluid. Well they were claiming that because their was fluid on the inside of that rim it had to be leaking their. I told them no way I reminded them that they had rotated their tires and rims and the rim came from the right rear and helped them pull of the rear drum to expose the real culprit, the leaking brake cylinder to which I helped them with. Before we went on that leg where I misled the brothers they said they would contact me and help me when I called them they acted like they couldnt hear me and I said Ok game on thats when I lied to them that way they knew I knew. When we arrived I told them plainly I lied to them on purpose and that all bets were off. They laughed and said we know. That is why when I saw all that was written on here I got in and placed the comment the way I did to diffuse the situation with out all of the BS. Hell Rich thought it was the shows attorney Matt Laviano... funny stuff because what I put their was the truth and he knew it. RICH I AM COMING TO BOSTON COME UP WITH YOUR BROTHER AND PARTY SATURDAY EVENING!

Mike

[bar1]

The other cool thing is that BMR fabrication did some cool things for Team Trans AM. They helped us with parts for the suspension on the T/A after the show. I installed these parts and their Logos are all over the T/A for the real run that starts from Montreal in the morning headed to Boston. The new Torque arm and panhard tightened up the suspension even more what a great piece... So support those people at BMR. Texas speed helped with the fluids for the T/A and MADE did the sound and radar jammers. We will be posting if you all would like on this site during the real Bullrun !

I love cars!

Mike

[bar1]

Oh I almost forgot 1 thing!

I AM ROUTING FOR TEAM TRANS AM FOR THE WIN!
GO MORGAN!

MIKE

[73novaguy]

Hey good luck Mike,
And thank you for chiming in and clearing a few things up. Id love it if you posted here during the Montreal-Boston race!

[speedster]

It's awesome having Mike, Rich and Mike on this board. That's 3 out of the last 4 teams. Now 2 out of 3. All BS aside, sounds like it was quite the experience for everyone and I'm looking forward to the continued posts by all you guys (and Morgan too if she posts). Congrats to Mike and the Charger for making it that far. Bummer about the stuck float. Kid of like aTop Fueler losing 'cause a $2 spring broke. Best of luck to both Team 9 T/A and Team 11 H/O. Can't wait for the rest of us to see how it all plays out.

[96Z28SS]

Umm you are correct about the car sliding issue the car just hooked up. When I turned the wheel and pulled the e-brake the car didnt let go the anti-lock started pumping and whining and the car turned. The BMR suspension with the Qa1 shocks and the sticky Goodyear F-1's did what they were supposed to do. The second pass I tried to throttle thru the glass by sliding sideways under power and the traction control kicked in and there you go another turn. It was funny! I am confident in my ability to drive. Rich and Andre called me out and said that the Olds would kick the T/A's ass in a straight line drag race. I told him not possible. The charger with the bored 440 lined up against Morgan and he punched it on a roll we walked him not even close and they were worried about the Charger? What kind of ride do you have?

Mike

Mike, just bustin some balls. You should of known to turn the traction control off.

As for my car, I sold my 96 Camaro SS and it was very modified you can see picks here I still have the site up. www.96z28ss.cz28.com (http://www.96z28ss.cz28.com)
It made 585rwhp when it was finally tuned on the chassis dyno.
I even had a distributor in it.
You'll also see that I had just about everything BMR Fabrication makes on my Camaro.
Now I have a 1969 Camaro twin turbo project.

If I still lived in Massachusetts I'd like to hook up with you and drink some beers.

[bar1]

Mike, just bustin some balls. You should of known to turn the traction control off.

As for my car, I sold my 96 Camaro SS and it was very modified you can see picks here I still have the site up. www.96z28ss.cz28.com (http://www.96z28ss.cz28.com)
It made 585rwhp when it was finally tuned on the chassis dyno.
I even had a distributor in it.
You'll also see that I had just about everything BMR Fabrication makes on my Camaro.
Now I have a 1969 Camaro twin turbo project.

If I still lived in Massachusetts I'd like to hook up with you and drink some beers.I will check the site out. Thats cool you are right the traction control is always the first thing I turn off dunno why I didnt think of it that time. I will from now on( LOL ) Just got off the phone with Andre from team cutlass we laughed our asses off on the phone. Him and his brother Rich are a hoot! Well he is still a little sore about the random message I placed out there....hehehehe Just Kidding. Great people! I am a little worried about going by his house though I guess his grandmother isnt happy with me at all........UMMMMMM OUCH!

Mike

[SPECWARSQUID]

I gotta ask, with alot of people having navigation problems (...Except Mike A. even though Morgan didn't seem to believe in you....), was there some rule against using GPS? I wouldn't leave home with out mine. But then again I've never drove in a Rally.

Also my wife wants to know if anyone else here thought that the way the Lotus Team bickered back and forth made them come across like a "Frustratedly GAY Odd Couple" :ssst: (.....her words...).

She said the just needed to kiss and get it over with....and that the cowboy hats did help their "Gay" image either :rotfl:


Shay
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Semper Fortis

68 GTO
66 GTO
67 Corvair Monza

[bar1]

I gotta ask, with alot of people having navigation problems (...Except Mike A. even though Morgan didn't seem to believe in you....), was there some rule against using GPS? I wouldn't leave home with out mine. But then again I've never drove in a Rally.

Also my wife wants to know if anyone else here thought that the way the Lotus Team bickered back and forth made them come across like a "Frustratedly GAY Odd Couple" :ssst: (.....her words...).

She said the just needed to kiss and get it over with....and that the cowboy hats did help their "Gay" image either :rotfl:


Shay
____________
Semper Fortis

68 GTO
66 GTO
67 Corvair Monza
Lets see no navi nope wouldnt let you do that nothing electronic except what they gave you. The lotus guys arent GAY that I know of but I think they are turning.. www.bullrun2007.com (http://www.bullrun2007.com) see the picture. They are in Montreal right now doing the team meeting geting ready to party thing. Pretty cool!

Mike

[dropit69]

Hey Mike welcome to the site great to have more Bullruners on here ..im actually not to far from you on the illinos side...good luck in the run hope you do post on here :cool:

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Oh yeah! Do not forget that most things you see are edited and cut and spliced pretty well. The show is what they want you to see. Their is a whole lot of crap going on to cause what you see on the episode. As far as the lies I told the brothers it was true however, They dont show the fact that the evening before I gave them some advice and promised them it was good so they took my advice and it saved them from making a big mistake going thru the mountains. Or the fact that they were getting ready to pull all of the front brakes off of the vehicle because they were loosing brake fluid. Well they were claiming that because their was fluid on the inside of that rim it had to be leaking their. I told them no way I reminded them that they had rotated their tires and rims and the rim came from the right rear and helped them pull of the rear drum to expose the real culprit, the leaking brake cylinder to which I helped them with. Before we went on that leg where I misled the brothers they said they would contact me and help me when I called them they acted like they couldnt hear me and I said Ok game on thats when I lied to them that way they knew I knew. When we arrived I told them plainly I lied to them on purpose and that all bets were off. They laughed and said we know. That is why when I saw all that was written on here I got in and placed the comment the way I did to diffuse the situation with out all of the BS. Hell Rich thought it was the shows attorney Matt Laviano... funny stuff because what I put their was the truth and he knew it. RICH I AM COMING TO BOSTON COME UP WITH YOUR BROTHER AND PARTY SATURDAY EVENING!

Mike

There is some truth to what you say but you are mistaken about the challenge with the Charger, they did have 3 attempts. One official run, one failed official run that Tim then came over to us and asked if it was okay if team Charger re-ran since they stalled immediately out of the box (unable to even make it up the entrance ramp), to which we said yes, and finally the run just for fun.

Mike A. did try to help us with the brakes, but Mike you are mistaken also about this next thing, we NEVER purposely failed to respond to you, our Nextel may have been dead (happened more than once we had a short in at the cigarette lighter a few times due to the stupid Keno light), so you are mistaken there, and you know the walkies had very limited range, don’t know if you tried to get us that way. There is only one team that we pretended to not hear and intentionally ignored that was team Honda and only because Dirty Rice had promised to help us into California only to then ignore us, so we returned the favor (this was all captured on TV). However, remember we ended up helping you on that same leg to the air base. Remember getting into the base, Morgan asked which way to go, and we told you guys to follow us after we had lost the Charger by the docks (they did show that part on TV as well).

BTW trust me on this one Matt does not know all that happened on the show he and I had a few conversations that made that all too apparent to me after the show. Coupled with the bar1 I thought to myself, "has facts mixed up and ‘bar’ as name as in bar-association has to be Matt". He may or may not have known about our approval of team Charger's restart, but its non-issue, I am just not happy about them reneging on our agreement, then bad mouthing us and forming an alliance and conspiring to get us eliminated with someone else when we are neighbors, and after all we were more than fair with them.

We cannot make it to Boston; we have prior commitments. Have a blast!

Forum, we all thank you guys for all the support and interest, all said and done this thing was insane and a blast.....I would do it again in a second (but I would not trust any red Trans-Ams or Black Chargers! :naughty:)

[Chad-1stGen]

Well I finally had a chance to watch episode 9. Wow I agree with whoever called it a nail biter!

What a lame way for the Charger to go out but sounds like the float thing may have been acting up for a while because I still don't buy the exhaust leak thing.

Really cool to have 3 of the teams posting on here too! It's cool to hear that Mike Alsop was helping work on or give sound mechanical advice to the other teams. I too thought he might give the time bonus to the Charger team. Really if Mike hadn't gone for that bonus the show made it look like the Charger would of beaten the olds to it.

Finally, what did the Charger run in the off the record attempt at the road course? I first read comments only 2 seconds faster than the Olds and then that it was 45 or 48 seconds?

Rock on guys and I hope either the Olds or Trans Am team wins the $200K but I have a bad feeling about the Ford guys. My dislike of that team is simply that it is a stock truck. I wish the show allowed for more emphasis placed on driving skills.

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Looking forward to the last episode of this run of Bullrun.....

[68firebird]

Hey Mike A. is that bullrun 2007 also a spike tv show?

GO TEAM T/A

[bar1]

Hey Mike A. is that bullrun 2007 also a spike tv show?

GO TEAM T/A

Yes it will be in July this run is televised in 54 other countrys live. Just not live in the US.

Morgan is on the starting line right now I am getting pictures sent to me as things develope. It LOOKS AWESOME. The T/A is one of the very few american cars in the rally. I guess people are all over her their. CRAZY! She will wind up in Boston this evening for a party hosted by girls gone wild. If you are anywhere around their this evening I will be flying in to meet her and head out to the next destination with her. Stay tuned. We will be updating the whereabouts.

mike

[bar1]

Team trans am takes 2nd on the first leg in BOSTON !

[SPECWARSQUID]

Team trans am takes 2nd on the first leg in BOSTON !

Rock on Morgan :headbang:

Go Team T/A

Shay
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Semper Fortis

68 GTO
66 GTO
67 Corvair Monza

[Rybar]

Welcome aboard Mike A, sounds like you guys did well on the show. I used to have a 4th gen LT1 T/A as well, it was a fun ride. What mods to the LS1 do you have? Seemed like a cam, exhaust and tune?

Mike M. I don't care what anybody says, that Charger is just plain badass, when you guys got booted and turned on the HID's it looked sinister. Have you thought about converting to EFI after the show?

Rich good luck to you guys as well. I think it would be cool to line up the cars at say an auto-x or 1/4 mile to see what they can really do against eachother.

Is it me or are the specs on the cars all wrong? The F-150 has 400hp and a 3" lift? Seemed stock to me.

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

Morgan & Girls Gone Wild !!!! All I can say is WE WANT VIDEO !!!!! LOL

[bar1]

Morgan & Girls Gone Wild !!!! All I can say is WE WANT VIDEO !!!!! LOL

just in the airport now headed for Boston I will arrive and meet my daughter at the party I think it is called felt. Any way she just completed the Montreal to Boston run in the 02 WS6 she was 10 sec out of first place. I am proud of the fact that she accomplished this. Very cool..... as for the girls gone wild video she better only be found in the crowd. NOT A PARTICIPANT!!!

Mike

[68firebird]

just in the airport now headed for Boston I will arrive and meet my daughter at the party I think it is called felt. Any way she just completed the Montreal to Boston run in the 02 WS6 she was 10 sec out of first place. I am proud of the fact that she accomplished this. Very cool..... as for the girls gone wild video she better only be found in the crowd. NOT A PARTICIPANT!!!

Mike

if you weren't her co-pilot who was? where's the next destination after boston? Wonder if they will come through Rhode Island.

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

just in the airport now headed for Boston I will arrive and meet my daughter at the party I think it is called felt. Any way she just completed the Montreal to Boston run in the 02 WS6 she was 10 sec out of first place. I am proud of the fact that she accomplished this. Very cool..... as for the girls gone wild video she better only be found in the crowd. NOT A PARTICIPANT!!!

Mike


LOL .. The ever protective dad :)

[SPECWARSQUID]

A small request to any of the BullRunners on here:

If you get the chance, take a few pictures for us along the way and post them up here.

Thanks if you can.

Shay
_____________
Semper Fortis

68 GTO
66 GTO
67 Corvair Monza

[muthstryker]

just in the airport now headed for Boston I will arrive and meet my daughter at the party I think it is called felt. Any way she just completed the Montreal to Boston run in the 02 WS6 she was 10 sec out of first place. I am proud of the fact that she accomplished this. Very cool..... as for the girls gone wild video she better only be found in the crowd. NOT A PARTICIPANT!!!

Mike


what mike dont know wont hurt him :ssst:







:rotfl: just kidding man!

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Team Hurst/Olds is having a Bullrun party this Thursday at Lucky's in Bayside, NY. We will have the car outside for everyone to see come on down and have a few drinks with us!

Ill have more info up on my myspace page.

[67 455 Bird ragtop]

Team Hurst/Olds is having a Bullrun party this Thursday at Lucky's in Bayside, NY. We will have the car outside for everyone to see come on down and have a few drinks with us!

Ill have more info up on my myspace page.

Could this be a "victory" celebration ???? hmmmmmmmmm

[CraigMorrison]

Here's a vid from the start of the real Bullrun that left Montreal over the weekend. It appears Mr. Angry gets to talk to the man......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnYIeKKEqnI&eurl=

[Damn True]

How do you say, "Sorry officer my foot slipped off the clutch." in French?

[acadian]

How do you say, "Sorry officer my foot slipped off the clutch." in French?


Désolé monsieur l'agent, mon pied a glissé de la pédale d'embrayage.

i know, because i was there in old montreal(i live half an hour from that location), we had a blast watching and cheering
thoses bullrunners while they were getting ready for the start of the race.