If your carb stuck through the hood what air filter would you run?

[CoryM]

Hey guys, posted here because its a matter of aesthetics. On the next project I am planning the carb (holley double pumper) is going to stick out of the hood about 1-1.5". The eventual goal is velocity stacks but to start it will be carbed. With just a carb it will look fine, but being a street car it needs a filter and I cannot decide what would look good on it. I was thinking of modifying an aluminum scoop to sink down on the carb as much as possible with a filter in the front. Going to have a hard time fitting it over the whole carb and the only way I would run it is if you couldnt see the carb under it.

To get an idea of what I am looking at take a look at this
http://www.cheetahracecars.org/images/Thumb/wcc15.html

My carb will be about 1" lower and a few inches closer to the windshield (centre of the hole). I am having a very hard time thinking what would look good..... or even OK.

Something like this
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/eCCStoreFront/smi/product_images/medium/1351484.jpg
or this
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/eCCStoreFront/smi/product_images/medium/5502085.jpg
may work but not quite my style.
Thanks for any suggestions.
CoryM

[jonny51]

I think those are prone to fire.

[ZZ430]

How big is the hole in the hood?

[CoryM]

Prone to fire if you leave them underhood, but sticking out it should be fine. No underhood insulation or oil to burn.

The hole is whatever size I want but with the velocity stacks it will be quite large later. Id guess 12"x20"

[Bill Howell]

I'd get a new hood ( just kidding)
What kind of car? I had real issues with my camaro when I changed to world heads and ended up using a dropped base,k&n filter and k&n top. I did change to a cowl hood and just barely had clearance.

[TonyL]

sounds like you dont like the whole idea of it pokeing though the hood. so here's my take. fab your own air cleaner cover. you could use the leading front corners of a fender to match the bodylines of the car and weld or fiberglass them together (depending on the car) so it looks like a bulge rather than a carb poking up. leave it open at the rear and it'll work cowl induction style.

[CoryM]

Based on a cheetah. 60s race car.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
When built they had either corvette fuel injection (in pic) or a custom one with 2 air meters that looked like a twin carb setup. Being a racecar filters were not installed. I was also thinking an airbox of sorts that looked kind of like the mechanical injection with a filter underhood. That way it only needs to be a little higher than the carb and wont look odd from outside. I may also dry sump the engine to lower it a bit more but that may be done later.

[Pzary3233]

I liked tony's idea... you might even think about a 70-81 Trans Am Shaker Scoop? The one I have placed here in the post is called the "dude scoop" because it's taller than the factory scoops...
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2004/12/scoopf-1.jpg

They can be found here: www.pontiacdude.cc or the direct link: http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/pontiacdude428/Scoops.html

You could also make a custom box, that flowed with the lines or even use something like this a starting point to make a mold from... That's if you decided to go the closed hood route. I think you would be happier about it... espcially if you got caught in the rain one day since you did say this would be a street car.

On another note, that looks like a really cool car! Is there more information about those cars anywhere?

My $.02

[CoryM]

I do like the idea of it sticking through the hood, but with a large filter on top it starts to look a little too..... kitcar-ish. Not too big on the cowl look and they also pull air away from the high-pressure area at the base of the windshield increasing lift at speed. Here is a model cheetah with a cowl.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

That looks OK, but not what I want.
Keep em coming guys :icon996:
(btw, I have been home all week so I am very, VERY bored. Hence the almost instant replys)
Cheers.

[EDIT] more info on the cars at
www.cheetahracecars.org
www.cheetahcars.com
www.cheetahracecars.com

[Pzary3233]

Corey,

what if you started with a T/A Scoop or something similar to it and molded it like the fenders... kinda swoopy... I'll photo shop what I mean tomorrow or tonight when I finish a history paper... DARN COLLEGE!

[CoryM]

Hmmmm, a small shaker scoop may look good. Could be front or rear inlet. Feel free to PS what you are thinking. Id appretiate it. Ill be sitting around all day tommorow too so no hurry (had a bit of surgery on monday). How about one that looked kinda like a small, clean mopar shaker? The ones with the 2 holes in front. I think if I were to do a shaker it would have to be bare aluminum though. Just remember I have to be able to fit an airfilter in somewhere as thats the whole point of this post ;) .
Cheers.

[Pzary3233]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

So I decided to take a couple minutes and play with it... It's not a great photoshop job... if you want a better one let me know... I am sure that you could make it look really taste full... another idea would be something sort of A/C Cobra-ish... one of the forward facing scoops... but I don't think that with the lines of the car that it would work well.

after looking at it some more... it looks like to capture the idea of the front fenders you would need more of a bludge at the front... you could then add air holes in the front of it... going into a filter you could go with a small K&N with the Filtered Top so you don't lose airflow.

[TonyL]

With the cowl look (like the one in Paul's post above,) you could graft an oval air cleaner inside the rear of "scoop" and it'd be darn near invisible. or leave it exposed.

orrrrr...... you could build a plenum, graft 8 harley davidson velocity stacks and put these filters in the stacks.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2004/12/velocitystackfilter002-1.jpghttps://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2004/12/97_2JPG-1.jpg

[Bill Howell]

OK, now I am on the right page. When I looked at your first pictures, I did not realize you were actually building a cheeta. I'm old enough to remember them in the day. If you like the out of the hood look, and since that would fit the look of the car, why not get a filter that looked like a blower cover. The one I'm thinking about looks like a top fuel injector inlet(3butterfly flippers) but is just a air cleaner cover.I'll see if I can find one in Jegs book, but I think you get the drift.That would have that old school look yet have function. :dunno:
Go to jegs online and look at part 720-6651. Another option 720-5232
I aint smart enough to post them here- old man syndrone I guess.
Maybe someone can do the picture majic thing and set one on the hood to see what it would look like.

[Pzary3233]

I like tony's idea about the airfilters... you could do what you want with some small airfilters as long as they flow enough for your motor... ie not too restrictive..

[CoryM]

Thinking back there was a ferrari with a scoop pretty close to what you (and I) have in mind Pzary. I will ponder that for a while. I do like the idea of a bare aluminum airbox as well. Sort of rectangular.
Tony, thats the eventual goal with the velocity stacks and filters. I think that will look awesome. The big chrome scoop look is just a little too flashy for this car. Above all else I want this car to scream 60s sportscar.
Great suggestions guys.

[TonyL]

like this....
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
on a custom low profile plenum (probably no more than an inch or so thick.) make it so it hangs down low into the engine compartment and conseals the carb,.

[CoryM]

Ah I see, youre thinking velocity stacks on the airbox. I dont think I could do that. Fake velocity stacks would be too much for my pride to handle. :rotfl:

[Pzary3233]

if you can give me a bigger picture of your car or a car like yours from the side profile I can try to make a bigger version of what I made... but with more detail...

For now I'll work more with that black one...

[TonyL]

youre thinking velocity stacks on the airbox

not exactly. Instead of using 1 big velocity stack, you'd be using 8 smaller ones. So in effect it'd be "real". and would have the look of mechanical injection, depending on how detailed the plenum you build would be. but over all the whole assembly would only stick up 1" higher than the top plane of the carb. I was also thinking about the post above about the 3 hole injector hat style scoop. what if you turned it backward like on a mud bog car? and put a filter on the end like they do?
like this pic here (http://www.goodvibesracing.com/Product-Scans/MPR-10BIRD.JPG)? Just on a smaller scale, and painted to match?

[CoryM]

I think what I will do is a finned aluminum airbox with a filter in front (under hood). The origional single air meter cheetahs had a finned intake that stuck through the hood a little. Mine will look similar, but wider to fit over the carb. I hope I can get it low enough to not look silly. I dont have a cheetah yet but I am working on getting a body. I wont have the $$$ to build the rest for a while though but I want to plan things out. I am a bit anal about details. The engineer in me I guess.
Cheers.

[TonyL]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
you mean like the car closest to us in the picture? that'd be awsome. you could even run tubing from a cold air source like the fenderwell, and put a cone filter on it from K&N. (like in the pic below.)
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2004/12/mustangtuning_1822_13998151-1.jpg

[CoryM]

Ya thats what I have in mind assuming I can do it while still leaving enough space for air to get into the carb. Still going to feel like a dork explaining the airbox but its the best option I can find. Maybe it will just force me into EFI sooner though so thats a good thing. Spent some more time today planning the chassis. Starting to look good but still lots to think about.
One of these days Ill get a george turner model but for now I got a 1:64 hotwheels and a 1:43 marsh model (havent assembled yet) and hoping for a 1:24 for Xmas.
Thanks again for the suggestions.

[Travis B]

What about a air cleaner like the one they put on the street machine of the year two years ago that orange and white 56' it was on the cover of popular hotrodding. It had a big block in and it stuck out just a bit. We did one of these on a 41 willys roadster we did last year.

[Tealm0nsta]

What kind of car is this going on? Why not use something like the mopar 6 pack hood scoop? I saw one on a 69 chevelle and it looked like it should have come that way.

[derekf]

Tealm0nsta (surely that's not your real name),

The car is a Chevy Cheetah. The pics in the thread are of similar Cheetahs.

[Tealm0nsta]

yeah, my parents really hated me....actually its Carey. I saw the pics of the cheetah in the previous posts but didn't catcht that was what you had just thought that it was the look you were going for.
Since thats the case, don't go w/ the 6 pack hood to cover the carb! I do like the guy that shows the large stack w/ the filter made inside of it and the new Kool Blue filters that clip onto the carb look good.

Carey